Jesus loves and cares about everyone even if you aren't Christian, we are all children of God. Pick up a Bible today because it will change your life, like it has mine.

Also realize that the Day of the second coming is upon us. Everything you say and do will be judged on that day, so be saved now!

Read the Bible.

I've never read the Bible, i've never really been to church either BUT i believe in God.

Jesus loves and cares about everyone even if you aren't Christian, we are all children of God. Pick up a Bible today because it will change your life, like it has mine.

Also realize that the Day of the second coming is upon us. Everything you say and do will be judged on that day, so be saved now!

Read the Bible.
Wtf?
Why did you feel the need to post this **** here?
Can't you just go to one of your religious forums and do this?

Seriously though, I'd take mindless spam over this **** anyday.

Jesus loves and cares about everyone even if you aren't Christian, we are all children of God. Pick up a Bible today because it will change your life, like it has mine.

Also realize that the Day of the second coming is upon us. Everything you say and do will be judged on that day, so be saved now!

Read the Bible.

I don't read the bible much. I take my daughter to church at her request and read abit then. I don't like to push my political or religous opinions on others becuase I respect any good person regardless of type of religion. I don't mean disrespect at all, but my experience is that people who push their religion on others are not my favorite types of people. Take care of yourself, be nice to others and do unto others if you know what I mean...no matter what creed,race,religion or party you belong to and we will all be ok.

my favorite line is "Christians are not perfect, just hypocritical"..or is that forgiven?

The second coming, is always reported around november/december of every year, I was really anxious in 99-2000 but nothing happened...I am very pissed as I was excited...Dont report it now it is to early......

I like people who say good words about God. I love God. It is serious to talk about God. I hope those who talk about God are living good correct lives, because then it can be poison instead.

I am a Christian man but I don't believe everything the bible says. I do think it is a good blueprint of how to live a moral life though.

Wtf?
Why did you feel the need to post this **** here?
Can't you just go to one of your religious forums and do this?

Seriously though, I'd take mindless spam over this **** anyday.
We're in the lounge, you can post anything you want....

I am a Christian man but I don't believe everything the bible says. I do think it is a good blueprint of how to live a moral life though.

I couldn't agree with you more Sonny! I dont know about you but I cant stand the people who quote the bible verbatim. Those people just dont get it. The more you learn about history, the more you learn how religion has been compramised.

ok, i read the bible, but it hasnt changed my life. Do u think i should try another version? The Koran perhaps? I hear its good.

I dont go to church and read the bible anymore, I tried but it made no sense, leaves out alot of details. I think that this book was made to put fear into people's life and try to teach how one should live their life by a type of law. People should not take it the way they do,live their life by it and just because something is not in the bible or something is that doesnt mean that you can and cant do it.


mark my words we have 12 levels to get by, we are on level 4

I feel no one should ever talk about Bible and God unless they are living a good and correct life. People who do not lead good lives cannot possibly speak of something they do not understand fully. If they understood fully, they would for sure lead good lives. Pure hearts are the only people who truly understand and should ever speak words about God and Bible.

Im just tired of organized religion using the word of christ for finacial gain. History shows that Jesus was killed for "blasphamy" he denouced the price that it cost to visit the holy areas in jerusalem.

I feel no one should ever talk about Bible and God unless they are living a good and correct life. People who do not lead good lives cannot possibly speak of something they do not understand fully. If they understood fully, they would for sure lead good lives. Pure hearts are the only people who truly understand and should ever speak words about God and Bible.
Winter,
I lead a good and correct life but I don't believe in the bible. Can I be a pure heart?

Im just tired of organized religion using the word of christ for finacial gain. History shows that Jesus was killed for "blasphamy" he denouced the price that it cost to visit the holy areas in jerusalem.

:D :D :D

God is a concept by which we measure our pain (john lennon wrote that in his song) what do you think about this? is lennon anti-God?

lennon was the man. he got alot of **** about his song "imagine". some of his stuff could be considered anti, but so what.

Is it just the Old Testament and the Gospel that will lead me to a good and pure life?

Can the Koran be used as well?

What about Aesop's fables...they are great morality stories and quite entertaining as well.

What if I am hopelessly altruistic and even occasionally helpful without the aid of a religious text? Do I still go to hell?

The Bible is The book...ChrististheAnswer you should keep doing what you're doing..no matter what the rest of 'em say.

The Bible is The book...ChrististheAnswer you should keep doing what you're doing..no matter what the rest of 'em say.
No, the Bible is A book, written by men, nothing more. If you like it, cool. ChristIsTheAwnser needs to learn how to recommend a book without sounding preachy patronising and niave.
I dont have a problem with his beliefs, but i dont appreciate him TELLING me to read a book, in order to be SAVED! I cant bet you anything he disagrees with my way of life, because it doesnt follow Christs way. I like the way people from different parts of the world have very different beliefs, and different ways of getting through life. I recpect that. But does ChrisIsTheAwnser recpect people who reject the bible and are good yet people yet aetheists? I dont believe so, but maybe im wrong.
It would be nice for him to contribute to the thread he started.

I feel no one should ever talk about Bible and God unless they are living a good and correct life. People who do not lead good lives cannot possibly speak of something they do not understand fully. If they understood fully, they would for sure lead good lives. Pure hearts are the only people who truly understand and should ever speak words about God and Bible.
I hate to burst your bubble but nobody can sit here and claim to understand the bible "FULLY" ,yeah if we did all that GOD asked us to do then we would all live good lives.Alot of the stories in the Bible were draw out to be very over exaggerating, some more that others ,all depend which Bible you read.

How do we know the bible comes from God? Did it fall from the sky? NO.

Just about ALL the **** in it written about Jesus was written and edited 100 years AFTER Jesus was crucified. And guess who did the editing? THE ROMANS.

The Bible isn't all that reliable. Read the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Coptic and gnostic gospels to get a broader perspective.

And don't forget, Jesus was crucified for REBELLING against organized religion. So the actual answer to WWJD is: Say the hell with church and figure **** out for yourself. Oh yeah, drink and hang out with prostitutes, they know how to party.

How do we know the bible comes from God? Did it fall from the sky? NO.

Just about ALL the **** in it written about Jesus was written and edited 100 years AFTER Jesus was crucified. And guess who did the editing? THE ROMANS.

The Bible isn't all that reliable. Read the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Coptic and gnostic gospels to get a broader perspective.

And don't forget, Jesus was crucified for REBELLING against organized religion. So the actual answer to WWJD is: Say the hell with church and figure **** out for yourself. Oh yeah, drink and hang out with prostitutes, they know how to party.
:cool: Amen brother

Jesus loves and cares about everyone even if you aren't Christian, we are all children of God. Pick up a Bible today because it will change your life, like it has mine.

Also realize that the Day of the second coming is upon us. Everything you say and do will be judged on that day, so be saved now!

Read the Bible.

The Old Testament is evil and full of filth. The New Testament is great, and has nothing in common with the old one.

I sent you good Karma Nautilus.

I sent you good Karma Nautilus.

Tanja, eto Vy ?

Tanja, eto Vy ?

I like words in your avatar.

No, the Bible is A book, written by men, nothing more. If you like it, cool. ChristIsTheAwnser needs to learn how to recommend a book without sounding preachy patronising and niave.
I dont have a problem with his beliefs, but i dont appreciate him TELLING me to read a book, in order to be SAVED! I cant bet you anything he disagrees with my way of life, because it doesnt follow Christs way. I like the way people from different parts of the world have very different beliefs, and different ways of getting through life. I recpect that. But does ChrisIsTheAwnser recpect people who reject the bible and are good yet people yet aetheists? I dont believe so, but maybe im wrong.
It would be nice for him to contribute to the thread he started.

chill out. i think she was just encouraging people not ordering people. don't take it that way.

anywayz, i with jack. spread the word.

I like words in your avatar.


This is exactly how it feels.

I will write you message soon.

Winter, You haven't responded to my message.

Winter, You haven't responded to my message.

Sonny, I didn't know I had message until I read your words. I see a number. I am writing words for my homework. Thank you Sonny.

The second coming, is always reported around november/december of every year, I was really anxious in 99-2000 but nothing happened...I am very pissed as I was excited...Dont report it now it is to early......
a small point before i finish readin this post....the calender was proved to be 4 yrs inaccurate for some reason (research it lol). they proved this before 2000 and apparently it was 2004 which is also the year the mayans predicted the next disaster...

i know the mayans past present and future predictions all played out so far ...im excited...maybe apocalypse in near


:mad: satan satan satan :mad:

the bible isnt "holy" in any regard....how is it "holy"???
because someone read the book 100 times???
because its been passed down???
i think "holy" should be redefined..in fact i doubt even 10 % of religious people have had contact with a "holy" object. how can water or prayer make it "holy"

holy should something that has gone to a good use..maybe some of the words could be deemed as holy..thou shalt not boner the neighbours wife while the hubby is at work..sound advice that has sacved men and women alike many beatings , fights and arguments.

and as someone said the old testament is full of filth..thats because were a filthy race..we were then and we are now
check out sodom and gamorrah

its only the level of skepticism today and the leaps of science that prevent any other serious "religious orders" popping up.

take scientology...imo just as likely a truth as the "bible" truth..forget that the human race has used religion as a tool.
look at the bible as a tool for living your life.thats what i alwats hear.why should i follow the watered down advice or moral lessons of one man.
he got crucified. so jesus stood up for his beliefs..well what an idiot..the only purpose of any race is the survival of it.
by doing what he did if he even did it at all he alienated him , his family and anyone who stood by him or who spoke of him.



still the bible has something for everyone although not necessarily good

and tatyana/winter its blind belief like yours that caused millions of lives to be lost in the name of god.

no offence but naivety is another of your strong points..many people who preach from the bible understand it far less than alot ofpeople who have studied it without themselves being religious.

you dont have to live a good and fulfilling life to understand the lessons the bible has to offer

I don't mind if my bubble is bursted. The bible is not difficult to understand. You look at Jesus, and you try your very best to never take your eyes off of Him. But, it is difficult for many to do this. Many are in love with sin, instead of being in love with God. But, I am thankful everyday, that from Jesus' beautiful Heart is a great and infinite Mercy for everyone.

and when they flew planes into the wtc that was an act of god...or act of A god

he/she/it isnt gonna look after you your whole life..hes gonna let whatevers gonna happen , happen...or so it appears.
remember the old "cliche" of vicar or priest losing faith when his wife dies.

i see the possible collective conscious as a god....mmm

sorry about the whole bubble thing..you look happy in your bubble winter ruski

well, we all have different beliefs about God, that is why this subject should never be argued about because we never really know what is the truth! we all have different cultures, upbringings, and experiences! i am raised as a catholic that's all i can say! catholics differ from muslims! muslims differ from protestants! adventists practise their own teachings! but they all can agree in one common knowledge that there's a supernatural being up there seeing all of us, whoever it is! the bottom line is we really don't know, that's why we are all still searching for that truth! so stop arguing about this ok. let's just talk about boxing, or books, or movies, but not this, this is not a point for debating, or arguing ok?

I don't mind if my bubble is bursted. The bible is not difficult to understand. You look at Jesus, and you try your very best to never take your eyes off of Him. But, it is difficult for many to do this. Many are in love with sin, instead of being in love with God. But, I am thankful everyday, that from Jesus' beautiful Heart is a great and infinite Mercy for everyone.

Winter,
If jesus has infinate mercy, why did he let so many jews be murdered during the 1940's?

Winter,
If jesus has infinate mercy, why did he let so many jews be murdered during the 1940's?

Jesus does not promise happiness in this life, but he promises it in the next life.

Why did the Jews suffer and die? Why is there death in the world? I will answer this now.


We have to begin with Adam and Eve. Every death is because of Adam and Eve. Please let me explain. Because of their sin, they brought death into the world. If Adam and Eve had never sinned, if they had never left God, death would never have entered the world. Sin brings death. No sin brings life. If a person never committed a sin they would never die.

If sin brings death, and we commit sin, then how will we ever be saved from eternal death and doom? So, Jesus had to do something immediately. Jesus came into the world. Jesus could see every sin throughout history being committed. Jesus then took all of our sins upon himself, and became the ultimate sacrifice, the ultimate target just so he could save us from eternal death and doom. Because of our sins we deserve to be punished. We deserve to have targets on us. Trust me, when we are all in Heaven we all are going to think to ourselves, "Why did I ever sin while on earth? Why did I hurt God like that? Why did I risk losing Heaven? Why didn't I help God?"

But Jesus came into the world and asked his Father to give him our just punishment. Jesus loves us that much. He bought each of us with his blood when he died on the cross. Every drop of blood from Jesus is so precious. One drop can save billions of souls, every soul!

Now, because Jesus never committed sin, death could not capture him. Because he never committed sin he naturally rose from the dead. Remember, sin brings death. No sin does not cause death. And because he never sinned we too will rise from the dead eventually. His mother Mary also never committed sin. There are actual Saints who never committed mortal sin, and when they died, their bodies never decayed. These Saints are called incorruptables.

Sin causes death and suffering. You asked why the Jews suffered so much. The world's sin caused that. This is why we should try our best to never sin. When we commit a sin, this sin has to be cleaned away, reparations need to be made for it. Jesus payed the ultimate reparation for our sins. But, there are also people (like those poor Jews) who unite their sufferings also in reparation for the many sins committed. I am trying to explain to you why there is suffering and death in our world.

Those who have suffered on earth so much, have greater rewards in Heaven compared to those who run away from suffering, those who want to do whatever they want at the expense of others, and hurt others. Please trust God completely, those who suffered so much will be the greatest in Heaven. Jesus' heart has infinite Mercy for everyone. All we have to do is ask for it. It is a time of Mercy.

I hope my words were not confusing. It was difficult for me to write this.

[QUOTE=Winter]
Sin causes death and suffering. You asked why the Jews suffered so much. QUOTE]

Glad you cleared that up, so what your saying is they suffered because they sinned? In your opinion, how do you think they could have avoided being killed?

LMAO, I love religious talks. Religion is the biggest business in the world and has been for thousands of years......it destroys people of all sorts and causes strife within the world more than any 1 single thing in the history of mankind. It will ultimately cause the end of the world. Don't claim to know something that nobody has any clue about. Live your life how you see fit, be kind to the people that deserve it, carry out your life with some morals and dignity....but in the end do what makes you happy. Don't live your life in fear.....I almost guarantee you that in the end you'll be wishing you'd just used that time and energy towards something tangible....like your family. The only useful thing about organized religion for me is to surround yourself with people with decent values, but that's certainly not a guarantee.

"For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish but hath everlasting life"

And

"for what shall it profit a man if he gain the whole world and lose his own soul?"

what is so difficult to understand about those verses? :D

"For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish but hath everlasting life"

And

"for what shall it profit a man if he gain the whole world and lose his own soul?"

what is so difficult to understand about those verses? :D

I dont believe. So, tell me, shall i 'perish'?? The bible is facinating. But my problem is with the use of the word TRUTH. Whoose truth? I believe each person should find their own way in life. Some organised religions use peoples fear of death to control them. Fear mongering. God is everything, sin, pleasure death, suffering, sex, bukkake, getting high, dripping candle wax on your dick cause your bored......wait, am i lowering the tone of this thread?
I cant be serious for too long, gives me a headache.

How do we know the bible comes from God? Did it fall from the sky? NO.

Just about ALL the **** in it written about Jesus was written and edited 100 years AFTER Jesus was crucified. And guess who did the editing? THE ROMANS.

The Bible isn't all that reliable. Read the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Coptic and gnostic gospels to get a broader perspective.

And don't forget, Jesus was crucified for REBELLING against organized religion. So the actual answer to WWJD is: Say the hell with church and figure **** out for yourself. Oh yeah, drink and hang out with prostitutes, they know how to party.
I see where you come from, I’ve try to read the Bible & have been left hanging, not reading it b/c I am religious, but b/c I want to know what’s the big deal is about it. There is your old and new testaments, WTF? And these are books placed together to make sense? I don’t know how many book are in it but I know that the tablets that the supposedly writings are on have a butt load of cracks and missing pieces, plus the languages are very different, and the bible has been translated several times. (Vocabulary plays an important factor here)

Even by starting in the beginning reading about Adam and Eve, where the Cane and Able stories began, states that Cane killed able and then left his house, later says that Cane went to a city and met his wife. WTF? If Adam and Eve were the first people on Earth (besides the Ice Man/Caveman Theories) and only had Two boys at first, where did the other people come from, later on Adam and Eve have more kids but all boys, never a girl.

??????????????????????????????

Then they lived to be how old? 800 or 900 years old? Wouldn’t there be proof?

People suffer because they sinned. SO why did Jesus suffer?

I mean, Caligula was a sick **** he didn't suffer all that much. As I recall just about ALL of the apostles died quite badly.....more so than their persecutors.

MORE BULL****.

wise man says, "If god did not exist, then he must have been invented”

Lets let that marinate for a while

louis id you read genesis chapter 4 it will tell you they had many children

Garret

Did the book of Genesis fall from the sky? If so, then I may inclined to believe that it is the word of god. If not, it was written by some crazy **** in the desert.

I dont believe. So, tell me, shall i 'perish'?? The bible is facinating. But my problem is with the use of the word TRUTH. Whoose truth? I believe each person should find their own way in life. Some organised religions use peoples fear of death to control them. Fear mongering. God is everything, sin, pleasure death, suffering, sex, bukkake, getting high, dripping candle wax on your dick cause your bored......wait, am i lowering the tone of this thread?
I cant be serious for too long, gives me a headache.

i am the one who use that word. you have said it yourself you believe that each person should find their own way in life. IN ORDER TO DO THAT YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE IN SOMETHING WHICH YOU KNOW IS THE TRUTH! that's what i meant when i said TRUTH!

i am the one who use that word. you have said it yourself you believe that each person should find their own way in life. IN ORDER TO DO THAT YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE IN SOMETHING WHICH YOU KNOW IS THE TRUTH! that's what i meant when i said TRUTH!
When i commented on the use of the word truth i had the bible in mind more than your post. Although i agree with wat u say, it still iritates me that some people say the bible is the true word of god, in other words, other religions are less worthy or false. Its more how the person uses the word, in a holier than thou way.
I guess truth is very much subjective.

The one true religion in the world.....was the shakers. They were the ones who were right. The rest of us are going to hell.

Your truth is your faith. Everyone has different faiths. If there was an answer to who's religion is the right one, then we'd all believe in the same thing. But we don't, so there is no answer. The answer you accept comes from your faith and your beliefs. So agreed, if Winter believes one thing, or I believe another, or you believe nothing then that is the truth for us. It ain't wrong to say that the Bible is the true word of God for someone, cuz it IS the truth for that person!

well, we all have different beliefs about God, that is why this subject should never be argued about because we never really know what is the truth! we all have different cultures, upbringings, and experiences! i am raised as a catholic that's all i can say! catholics differ from muslims! muslims differ from protestants! adventists practise their own teachings! but they all can agree in one common knowledge that there's a supernatural being up there seeing all of us, whoever it is! the bottom line is we really don't know, that's why we are all still searching for that truth! so stop arguing about this ok. let's just talk about boxing, or books, or movies, but not this, this is not a point for debating, or arguing ok?

The perfect post to settle all of this. I'm a christian and I read the Bible. People, religion is an intensely sensitive issue so please let's try to avoid talking about it but should a person seek advice from us, then that's the time to discuss it.

Wtf?
Why did you feel the need to post this **** here?
Can't you just go to one of your religious forums and do this?

Seriously though, I'd take mindless spam over this **** anyday.

Do you people now see why I made that post?
I knew this **** would happen.
Let's keep religion as far away from boxing and pretty much everything else, as possible.

Nah, it was the Shakers I tell ya.

When i commented on the use of the word truth i had the bible in mind more than your post. Although i agree with wat u say, it still iritates me that some people say the bible is the true word of god, in other words, other religions are less worthy or false. Its more how the person uses the word, in a holier than thou way.
I guess truth is very much subjective.

i believe that it is not RELIGION which makes man good but it is the other way around! and it is not for us to judge a person by his own religion. let's say this man is from an evangelistic group headed by swaggart. swaggart as we all know was scandalized for having sexual abuse. this member of his crusade for example may not be like him at all because what swaggart does is for him alone and doesn't concern this man who is a member and affiliated to swaggart! although some people might be led to a misconception that this man is like swaggart, others might not feel the same way as they are! depends upon the thinking of every people though! well as i've said in my previous post, this topic is not easy to discuss especially if we are from different religions and sects, but i hope i didn't say anything that would offend others here. thanks anyway for taking time quoting on my post. peace!

Dr.

We are keeping it away from boxing. That is why someone was good enough to create a whole new topic.

ANYONE WHO THINKS DISCUSSING RELIGION IS NOT GOOD....SHOULD NOT HAVE ENTERED THIS THREAD! I mean its fairly obvious wat the threads about by the title! AND the fact that its at the moment 6 pages long might tell u that people obviously DO want to debate faith etc. I think hearing peoples opinions, points of veiw is a healthy thing.

Im still wondering wat ChristIsTheAwnser is making of all this?

Wtf?
Why did you feel the need to post this **** here?
Can't you just go to one of your religious forums and do this?

Seriously though, I'd take mindless spam over this **** anyday.

i think ChrististheAnswer is cool by doin this. as it was written: "I came here not for those who are already with me. I came here for those who needed me (lost sheeps)."

people like you are the reasons why ChrististheAnswer have to do this.

go ChrististheAnswer! you rock!!! ;)

I don't read the bible much. I take my daughter to church at her request and read abit then. I don't like to push my political or religous opinions on others becuase I respect any good person regardless of type of religion. I don't mean disrespect at all, but my experience is that people who push their religion on others are not my favorite types of people. Take care of yourself, be nice to others and do unto others if you know what I mean...no matter what creed,race,religion or party you belong to and we will all be ok.

my favorite line is "Christians are not perfect, just hypocritical"..or is that forgiven?

as it was written: "go out and preach."

i think ChrististheAnswer is cool by doin this. as it was written: "I came here not for those who are already with me. I came here for those who needed me (lost sheeps)."

people like you are the reasons why ChrististheAnswer have to do this.

go ChrististheAnswer! you rock!!! ;)


I like your words.

The second coming, is always reported around november/december of every year, I was really anxious in 99-2000 but nothing happened...I am very pissed as I was excited...Dont report it now it is to early......

as it was written: "he will come on the time when everybody least expect it." it may even be the time when while you're enjoying committing sins. :p

I like your words.

thanks but its not my words who make things good. its his. ;)

if you wanna know me better, you'll know me more about this. :)

I am a Christian man but I don't believe everything the bible says. I do think it is a good blueprint of how to live a moral life though.

explain how the prophesies in the Bible came true. then say it's not somethin' we should believe into. :rolleyes:

ok, i read the bible, but it hasnt changed my life. Do u think i should try another version? The Koran perhaps? I hear its good.

nothing can change your life but you. its you'r own will who will chose the path for you. even if you have a good milk in front of you but your heart desires coffee, you will end up drinkin' the coffee.

Bible or Koran, still, only you're heart can tell what road to go to.

I dont go to church and read the bible anymore, I tried but it made no sense, leaves out alot of details. I think that this book was made to put fear into people's life and try to teach how one should live their life by a type of law. People should not take it the way they do,live their life by it and just because something is not in the bible or something is that doesnt mean that you can and cant do it.


mark my words we have 12 levels to get by, we are on level 4

you are livin' in a world where law runs. and everybody fears the law. it was made to keep us from doin' things we're not suppose to do.

a small point before i finish readin this post....the calender was proved to be 4 yrs inaccurate for some reason (research it lol). they proved this before 2000 and apparently it was 2004 which is also the year the mayans predicted the next disaster...

i know the mayans past present and future predictions all played out so far ...im excited...maybe apocalypse in near


:mad: satan satan satan :mad:

man. i like your trivia about the calendar. what's you reference? i'd like to know more about that. thanks. :)

as it was written: "go out and preach."


I respect your opinions, and I would expect you would respect mine. "Go out and preach" is fine, unless the other party doesn't want to hear it. Since this is the "non-boxing" forum, I probably should have just not entered. I get very tired of people pushing the Bible on me. I'm not questioning you personally, because you seem to be very level headed and sincere. My personal experience with Christians and Church is hypocracy rules. There are many different religions with different beliefs. What makes any one religion more true than another? Because the Bible says so? Maybe the other religions Bible says something different.

That is a serious question to you, not trying to be a smart ass. Thanks

nothing can change your life but you. its you'r own will who will chose the path for you. even if you have a good milk in front of you but your heart desires coffee, you will end up drinkin' the coffee.

Bible or Koran, still, only you're heart can tell what road to go to.

You write good words. I like reading your words. You are one of the best writers on the forum. I have given you good Karma two times. I can't wait to send you good Karma again.

How do we know the bible comes from God? Did it fall from the sky? NO.

Just about ALL the **** in it written about Jesus was written and edited 100 years AFTER Jesus was crucified. And guess who did the editing? THE ROMANS.

The Bible isn't all that reliable. Read the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Coptic and gnostic gospels to get a broader perspective.

And don't forget, Jesus was crucified for REBELLING against organized religion. So the actual answer to WWJD is: Say the hell with church and figure **** out for yourself. Oh yeah, drink and hang out with prostitutes, they know how to party.

and its was written: "many will try to deceive you with their sharp tounge. they will testify against the truth and will try to prove that my words are false. they will try to understand but will not have the wisdom to do so."

and its was written: "many will try to deceive you with their sharp tounge. they will testify against the truth and will try to prove that my words are false. they will try to understand but will not have the wisdom to do so."

I love these words.

The Old Testament is evil and full of filth. The New Testament is great, and has nothing in common with the old one.

The old one prophsiesed for the comming of the new one and the new one testifies for the old. this is why they were said to be one.... :p

The old one prophsiesed for the comming of the new one and the new one testifies for the old. this is why they were said to be one.... :p

Summer, you have an answer for everything. I wish I could say good answers.

I love these words.

yup me too. except i misspelled the tongue there. LOL! :D

LMAO, I love religious talks. Religion is the biggest business in the world and has been for thousands of years......it destroys people of all sorts and causes strife within the world more than any 1 single thing in the history of mankind. It will ultimately cause the end of the world. Don't claim to know something that nobody has any clue about. Live your life how you see fit, be kind to the people that deserve it, carry out your life with some morals and dignity....but in the end do what makes you happy. Don't live your life in fear.....I almost guarantee you that in the end you'll be wishing you'd just used that time and energy towards something tangible....like your family. The only useful thing about organized religion for me is to surround yourself with people with decent values, but that's certainly not a guarantee.

that's a nice oppinion. and your observations regarding occurences in history and the world are just the proof that God's words will not come to pass without coming into reality. as it was written: "these things must happen. hold on with your sorrows, for after the end you will be exulted."

and its was written: "many will try to deceive you with their sharp tounge. they will testify against the truth and will try to prove that my words are false. they will try to understand but will not have the wisdom to do so."

Sharp as my tongue may be, what I said is documented historical fact. I mean, ITS EVEN IN THE BIBLE.

Jesus is just allright with me, but people gotta consider the source of his so-called words. The bible was written by the folks who killed Jesus. Why are you so determined to believe it?

Perhaps the ones who are decieving you with their sharp tongues is those with the church.

A problem with most 'Christian' based religions. They say in church, forget about being happy in life, you will only be happy when you die. In the mean time, give us money and spend all your time praying instead of living.

This was NOT Jesus' message. In fact, this is the same bull**** which was preached by the Sadduces and the Pharacees, the ones who Jesus spoke against. In the Gospels, we only see Jesus speak of two commandments "Love God" and "Love Thy Neighbor as Yourself". He doesn't mention any of the extra **** church does today. Hell, he didn't even say you had to go to church!

Another problem with the way church is set up, people are actually discouraged from reading the bible themselves. I remember being told, "That's what homilees (sp?) are for, the priest interprets the book for you!" I have actually read the gospels and find it far different from how it was interpreted by the priests.

The Church is one big cycle of encouraged ignorance and mental slavery. Ironically, Theology and Jesus' life never interested me until I left church. Well, maybe that isn't so Ironic after all.

the bible isnt "holy" in any regard....how is it "holy"???
because someone read the book 100 times???
because its been passed down???
i think "holy" should be redefined..in fact i doubt even 10 % of religious people have had contact with a "holy" object. how can water or prayer make it "holy"

holy should something that has gone to a good use..maybe some of the words could be deemed as holy..thou shalt not boner the neighbours wife while the hubby is at work..sound advice that has sacved men and women alike many beatings , fights and arguments.

and as someone said the old testament is full of filth..thats because were a filthy race..we were then and we are now
check out sodom and gamorrah

its only the level of skepticism today and the leaps of science that prevent any other serious "religious orders" popping up.

take scientology...imo just as likely a truth as the "bible" truth..forget that the human race has used religion as a tool.
look at the bible as a tool for living your life.thats what i alwats hear.why should i follow the watered down advice or moral lessons of one man.
he got crucified. so jesus stood up for his beliefs..well what an idiot..the only purpose of any race is the survival of it.
by doing what he did if he even did it at all he alienated him , his family and anyone who stood by him or who spoke of him.



still the bible has something for everyone although not necessarily good

I cant believe you'd call Jesus an idiot. If it werent for Him, we wouldnt even be here

TracyLee

"I cant believe you'd call Jesus an idiot. If it werent for Him, we wouldnt even be here"

Explain please.

If it werent for Him, we wouldnt even be here
Howd u figure?

Howd u figure?

With the avatar you proudly use, I dont expect you to see anything about Christ objectively.
Jesus died for us...for our sin's. That is what forgiveness is all about. You can debate that anyway you want but it still is.

Tracy.

C'mon now, I doubt he is a devoted follower of the Manson family. The avatar is probably just a joke.

Just cuz I got an avatar like mine, does that mean blue fire comes out of my hands?

Tracy.

C'mon now, I doubt he is a devoted follower of the Manson family. The avatar is probably just a joke.

Just cuz I got an avatar like mine, does that mean blue fire comes out of my hands?

I get the impression from some of his posts that it goes deeper than just an avatar (not that there's anything funny about Sharon Tate and her unborn baby being killed anyway)...I could be wrong; if so, all apologies. I was brought up Baptist, and my daughter is too and she loves church; she is not forced to attend. while I do not attend church now, I still believe in God and Jesus and by no means lead a perfect life but will never forget who the true Father is and what He did for us. I'm not preaching; just explaining. I wish I hadnt entered this thread, and did put off doing so for a few day's; now I know the view's of people I had always liked to joke around with, and to be honest it really bug's me. Fair? I dont know.

Oh Tracy, Tracy, Tracy, i didnt expect u to fall for my avatar and make predictable assumptions about me. tut tut, im a big Tracy fan!
I asked a genuine question, just wanted to know wat u meant . We wouldnt be here without Jesus? I dont see how that works.

Why does it bother you so much? I mean just cuz their religious views are different doesn't mean they are not decent folks does it?

I'll brb, I gotta get dinner.

I am having alot of fun with this debate.

I get the impression from some of his posts that it goes deeper than just an avatar .
Really? From what posts exactly do u think that i may have psychotic tendencies? I thought i had been a good boy

Oh Tracy, Tracy, Tracy, i didnt expect u to fall for my avatar and make predictable assumptions about me. tut tut, im a big Tracy fan!
I asked a genuine question, just wanted to know wat u meant . We wouldnt be here without Jesus? I dont see how that works.

Like I said, I could be wrong, and if so I apologize. I just believe that if Jesus hadnt died for our sins we wouldnt be here today. I dont begin to fully understand the Bible (but would never tell anyone not to read it cause they dont either; that's what its there for Winter..not picking a fight, just stating opinion) I cant explain what I dont fully understand, but Jesus dying for us gave us a second chance to be here.
CITA...a little help here; it's been ages since I went to church or read the Bible

Why does it bother you so much? I mean just cuz their religious views are different doesn't mean they are not decent folks does it?

I dont really know for sure...lame, huh? I guess it's about the same as if I met someone and they said "hi, my name is ------, and I worship satan"...I'd freak out and get away from them. Some of these posts are actually painful and hard to read. I love Jesus and to read insult's aimed at him really bother's me. THat's why I should have listened to my better judgement and stayed out

I also would encourage anyone to take a look at the bible, as its endlessly intresting as a work of literature, as our many other renound books.
Jesus died, but why and for whom i dont know. I dont take the bible as a historically acurate document. Therefore, What Jesus said and what he was about is unclear IMO.
Jesus certainatly changed the world, but what would have happend without him? The Christian Crusades (where they murdered people of foreign lands who would not succumb to their religion) and the Inquisition (where they murdered citizens of their own country who would not succumb) would not have happend, thousands of peoplw died at thier hands.

Don’t miss with this guys, it can start a lot of problems. Religion is evil in its own way. Let it be. Lets not post any other threads on religion, and stick to boxing and clowning around.

I respect your opinions, and I would expect you would respect mine. "Go out and preach" is fine, unless the other party doesn't want to hear it. Since this is the "non-boxing" forum, I probably should have just not entered. I get very tired of people pushing the Bible on me. I'm not questioning you personally, because you seem to be very level headed and sincere. My personal experience with Christians and Church is hypocracy rules. There are many different religions with different beliefs. What makes any one religion more true than another? Because the Bible says so? Maybe the other religions Bible says something different.

That is a serious question to you, not trying to be a smart ass. Thanks

Dude if there was an answer to your question, you'd be christian as well. The answer to your question is faith.

Don’t miss with this guys, it can start a lot of problems. Religion is evil in its own way. Let it be. Lets not post any other threads on religion, and stick to boxing and clowning around.
Ur 10 pages too late lol

I also would encourage anyone to take a look at the bible, as its endlessly intresting as a work of literature, as our many other renound books.
Jesus died, but why and for whom i dont know. I dont take the bible as a historically acurate document. Therefore, What Jesus said and what he was about is unclear IMO.
Jesus certainatly changed the world, but what would have happend without him? The Christian Crusades (where they murdered people of foreign lands who would not succumb to their religion) and the Inquisition (where they murdered citizens of their own country who would not succumb) would not have happend, thousands of peoplw died at thier hands.
It would have never matter, didnt Jesus die for our sins? So I am now going to commit sins up the wazoo.lol

showtime has a show called Bull****! they had an episode over the bible, maybe more people should look into it

Ur 10 pages too late lol

Definately too late; this can of worms is wide open. I dont mean to sound like I'm judging anybody, it's just 35 year's of belief being twisted all around makes me uncomfortable. Does that make sense? It's so easy to question why God let's certain thing's happen..I do it too, but I've also seen miracles, and I have to believe that they come from Him.

It would have never matter, didnt Jesus die for our sins? So I am now going to commit sins up the wazoo.lol

showtime has a show called Bull****! they had an episode over the bible, maybe more people should look into it

I liked that show alot; til they showed that episode. I didnt watch it once I heard some of the thing's he said. :mad:

More people should read Angels & Demons and Davinci Code by Dan Brown. Note, I think the stories are stupid and not EVERYTHING has been proven. But ALOT of the facts he throws out there about the formation of the Church and Jesus' life there is PLENTY of evidence to back up.

Definately too late; this can of worms is wide open. I dont mean to sound like I'm judging anybody, it's just 35 year's of belief being twisted all around makes me uncomfortable. Does that make sense? It's so easy to question why God let's certain thing's happen..I do it too, but I've also seen miracles, and I have to believe that they come from Him.
I think if ur faith is really important to u, like it is to my mother, its unessary to discuss it. If it aint broke dont fix it (is that the expression?)
I went to church every week for 17 years, but realised i was happier without it, my belief is fairly straight forward. If God is all knowing and truly loving He will want for me wat makes me happy. If im happy people around me are happy and so on. SPREAD THE LOVE PEOPLE! lol

Redraw is absolutely right though. I know VERY few Christians who have read the Gospels at any length ON THEIR OWN.

I cannot go to a church that has its African Missionaries discourage condom use in countries overrun with AIDS.

I just don't like the idea of someone's 'salvation' being more important than their quality of life.

I think if ur faith is really important to u, like it is to my mother, its unessary to discuss it. If it aint broke dont fix it (is that the expression?)
I went to church every week for 17 years, but realised i was happier without it, my belief is fairly straight forward. If God is all knowing and truly loving He will want for me wat makes me happy. If im happy people around me are happy and so on. SPREAD THE LOVE PEOPLE! lol


They are important to me...I feel like I should be thankful to Him for saving my life two different times and the life of my child too. And if I truly believed that this is all there is; that all the pain and suffering in the world was for nothing and there was nothing to look forward to then I wouldnt want to get out of the bed every morning. I dont think anyone should live a miserable existence, as long as youre not harming other's, etc...the "fun" is good. I just cant stand to read Jesus or God being called bad names...know what I mean? It's worse than somebody calling my mom names. I've not felt like crying in a long time, I'm not a weepy kind of girl, but this stuff honestly makes me feel sad. Not looking for sympathy, just trying to explain where I'm coming from.

I cannot go to a church that has its African Missionaries discourage condom use in countries overrun with AIDS.
Ouch, thats another BIG ASS can of worms!!!

I think if ur faith is really important to u, like it is to my mother, its unessary to discuss it. If it aint broke dont fix it (is that the expression?)
I went to church every week for 17 years, but realised i was happier without it, my belief is fairly straight forward. If God is all knowing and truly loving He will want for me wat makes me happy. If im happy people around me are happy and so on. SPREAD THE LOVE PEOPLE! lol
Don’t ask me for the chapter or verse but in the bible it does say that the people are the church, not the building.

One thin I cant get over is how all the religions think they are all right, Example my wife is Church of Christ, their church is the right one b/c Jesus told Peter to build his church on this rock, who's church? Christ. My Mom and Dad are catholic, don’t even get me started on that. Follow the bible this and that. Whatever just live your life, if Jesus died for our sins then, what do you have to worry about?

Ouch, thats another BIG ASS can of worms!!!

Handing out comdom's saves lives; and refusing to do so is not going to stop the population from having sex. I guess they think they're condoning that behavior if they give them out, but I dont think that way

( I quoted the wrong quote!! Still improving in that area boy's)

"They are important to me...I feel like I should be thankful to Him for saving my life two different times and the life of my child too. And if I truly believed that this is all there is; that all the pain and suffering in the world was for nothing and there was nothing to look forward to then I wouldnt want to get out of the bed every morning. I dont think anyone should live a miserable existence, as long as youre not harming other's, etc...the "fun" is good. I just cant stand to read Jesus or God being called bad names...know what I mean? It's worse than somebody calling my mom names. I've not felt like crying in a long time, I'm not a weepy kind of girl, but this stuff honestly makes me feel sad. Not looking for sympathy, just trying to explain where I'm coming from."

Tracy,

Try to understand that many of us feel there is a difference between Faith and Religion, God and Church, Christ and Christianity. Just cuz we bash church, doesn't mean we are bashing God. Because we bash Christiantiy, doesn't mean we are talking bad about Christ.

Handing out comdom's saves lives; and refusing to do so is not going to stop the population from having sex. I guess they think they're condoning that behavior if they give them out, but I dont think that way

Neither do I. And it is this attitude the church has taken which makes me not care for it.

"They are important to me...I feel like I should be thankful to Him for saving my life two different times and the life of my child too. And if I truly believed that this is all there is; that all the pain and suffering in the world was for nothing and there was nothing to look forward to then I wouldnt want to get out of the bed every morning. I dont think anyone should live a miserable existence, as long as youre not harming other's, etc...the "fun" is good. I just cant stand to read Jesus or God being called bad names...know what I mean? It's worse than somebody calling my mom names. I've not felt like crying in a long time, I'm not a weepy kind of girl, but this stuff honestly makes me feel sad. Not looking for sympathy, just trying to explain where I'm coming from."

Tracy,

Try to understand that many of us feel there is a difference between Faith and Religion, God and Church, Christ and Christianity. Just cuz we bash church, doesn't mean we are bashing God. Because we bash Christiantiy, doesn't mean we are talking bad about Christ.

I completely understand what youre saying. That's why I dont go to church anymore. Some of the biggest phonies and liars are preacher's; unfortunately.
One of my favorite song's is by the band Suicidal Tendacies and it's called "Send Me Your Money" and thats what the whole song is about. Very funny stuff really!

I completely understand what youre saying. That's why I dont go to church anymore. Some of the biggest phonies and liars are preacher's; unfortunately.
One of my favorite song's is by the band Suicidal Tendacies and it's called "Send Me Your Money" and thats what the whole song is about. Very funny stuff really!


Cool. We are on the same page then.....

Cool. We are on the same page then.....

Seem's that way...I sent you and RedRaw good Karma just so you'd know that I wasnt taking any of it persoanl. Everybody has views, and it does seem like so many reverends and preachers do their best to confuse the issue more and line their pockets. When I was just 10 we pulled into the parking lot of the church we had always gone to, and my Dad opened my door, let me out, took 3 steps and stopped....then he opened my door, put me back in and we left; never went back. I asked him why not. He said that the preacher had raised money for a car to visit the elderly, etc.. (Dad had donated) and that was fine...but he didnt need a Lincoln Towncar to do it with. (That was the first time the preacher had driven his new car to church) I havent been to church since; except when my daughter got baptised.

HUH? :confused:

+1

HUH? :confused:

+1
too fast for you Big Willie style??? :confused: GO to church, you know that Judahs was a vampire

too fast for you Big Willie style??? :confused: GO to church, you know that Judahs was a vampire

Youre baaaaddddd!!!!!!!!!!! :p

Youre baaaaddddd!!!!!!!!!!! :p
I work with this fool, he is sitting infront of me

And we all lived happily ever after. I can almost feeeeel the good karma! If i mention Roy Jones in this forum, would i have comitted sin? lol

"Seem's that way...I sent you and RedRaw good Karma just so you'd know that I wasnt taking any of it persoanl. Everybody has views, and it does seem like so many reverends and preachers do their best to confuse the issue more and line their pockets. When I was just 10 we pulled into the parking lot of the church we had always gone to, and my Dad opened my door, let me out, took 3 steps and stopped....then he opened my door, put me back in and we left; never went back. I asked him why not. He said that the preacher had raised money for a car to visit the elderly, etc.. (Dad had donated) and that was fine...but he didnt need a Lincoln Towncar to do it with. (That was the first time the preacher had driven his new car to church) I havent been to church since; except when my daughter got baptised."

Damn. Sounds like your father had a revelation.

As for me, I was raised Catholic. I had always been uncomfortable in church, ever since I was little. I argued with my parents about scripture, the bible ENDLESSLY even when I was young. Finally, they said I didn't have to go anymore but they still argued with me about it. I was always telling my parents how evil the Catholic Church was and the bad things they did throughout history. My mother stopped going to Church when the Priest Sex abuse scandal broke. My father is a little more thick headed.

too fast for you Big Willie style??? :confused: GO to church, you know that Judahs was a vampire

Just cuz Wes Craven says it, doesn't make it so.....

I work with this fool, he is sitting infront of me

Hmmm...who to feel sorry for? How I wonder :p

And we all lived happily ever after. I can almost feeeeel the good karma! If i mention Roy Jones in this forum, would i have comitted sin? lol

Who SATAN?? Nah, no sin, but damn close...watch yourself! :D

"Seem's that way...I sent you and RedRaw good Karma just so you'd know that I wasnt taking any of it persoanl. Everybody has views, and it does seem like so many reverends and preachers do their best to confuse the issue more and line their pockets. When I was just 10 we pulled into the parking lot of the church we had always gone to, and my Dad opened my door, let me out, took 3 steps and stopped....then he opened my door, put me back in and we left; never went back. I asked him why not. He said that the preacher had raised money for a car to visit the elderly, etc.. (Dad had donated) and that was fine...but he didnt need a Lincoln Towncar to do it with. (That was the first time the preacher had driven his new car to church) I havent been to church since; except when my daughter got baptised."

Damn. Sounds like your father had a revelation.

As for me, I was raised Catholic. I had always been uncomfortable in church, ever since I was little. I argued with my parents about scripture, the bible ENDLESSLY even when I was young. Finally, they said I didn't have to go anymore but they still argued with me about it. I was always telling my parents how evil the Catholic Church was and the bad things they did throughout history. My mother stopped going to Church when the Priest Sex abuse scandal broke. My father is a little more thick headed.

THats what I'm talking about right there; with all the scandal's with the Catholic church (and the Baptist arent excluded thanks to Swaggart and others!) it is about enough to make anybody stop going to church. I like to think that loving God and believing in Him are enough; that I dont have to go to church and listen to a man that may live worse than I do

Hmmm...who to feel sorry for? How I wonder :p
he is a cool cat

Just cuz Wes Craven says it, doesn't make it so.....
I was being sarcastic with him, inside joke :D

I work with this fool, he is sitting infront of me
But he can't see me! :p

Why are all wars in some way caused by religion?

What do you feel about separation of state and church?

he is a cool cat

Okay then, I'll just pity all the other co-worker's in that office. :p

Why are all wars in some way caused by religion?

What do you feel about separation of state and church?

Who are you asking? :confused:

Alot of wars are caused by religion. Not really all. Didn't Mexico go to war with Brazil over a soccer game?

Who are you asking? :confused:
You sweetheart :rolleyes:

Okay then, I'll just pity all the other co-worker's in that office. :p
lol, look out for username Kansas too

Alot of wars are caused by religion. Not really all. Didn't Mexico go to war with Brazil over a soccer game?
no that was Brazil vs Argentina, it was Mexico vs Philippines in the last boxingscene, over who was a better fighter manny or Barrera,Morales,Juan Manuel Marquez, Finito lopez, Julio Cesar Chavez, Chiquita Gonzales,Maro mero Paiz, etc... :D

Summer, you have an answer for everything. I wish I could say good answers.

people are given their own talent. i can say you're good in making friends. and you have great charisma for that.

Winter,
I lead a good and correct life but I don't believe in the bible. Can I be a pure heart?

nobody can tell that. humans are bound to commit mistakes, terrible mistakes.

people are given their own talent. i can say you're good in making friends. and you have great charisma for that.

Thank you for writing kind words to me Summer. Thank you for writing beautiful words for God and for me. I always like reading your posts.

No, the Bible is A book, written by men, nothing more. If you like it, cool. ChristIsTheAwnser needs to learn how to recommend a book without sounding preachy patronising and niave.
I dont have a problem with his beliefs, but i dont appreciate him TELLING me to read a book, in order to be SAVED! I cant bet you anything he disagrees with my way of life, because it doesnt follow Christs way. I like the way people from different parts of the world have very different beliefs, and different ways of getting through life. I recpect that. But does ChrisIsTheAwnser recpect people who reject the bible and are good yet people yet aetheists? I dont believe so, but maybe im wrong.
It would be nice for him to contribute to the thread he started.

who respects who? does God have to respect man's will than the other way around?

"come to me and serve me." or
"i'll chose the life i want for my self!"

which one should be done?

Thank you for writing kind words to me Summer. Thank you for writing beautiful words for God and for me. I always like reading your posts.

thanks. i hope you'll always be honest in yourself. i hope you wont change. but if ever you do, i hope it'll always be for the better and not for the worst like some other. :)

I hate to burst your bubble but nobody can sit here and claim to understand the bible "FULLY" ,yeah if we did all that GOD asked us to do then we would all live good lives.Alot of the stories in the Bible were draw out to be very over exaggerating, some more that others ,all depend which Bible you read.

even if somebody do understands it fully, still none of you would believe it. :rolleyes:

well, we all have different beliefs about God, that is why this subject should never be argued about because we never really know what is the truth! we all have different cultures, upbringings, and experiences! i am raised as a catholic that's all i can say! catholics differ from muslims! muslims differ from protestants! adventists practise their own teachings! but they all can agree in one common knowledge that there's a supernatural being up there seeing all of us, whoever it is! the bottom line is we really don't know, that's why we are all still searching for that truth! so stop arguing about this ok. let's just talk about boxing, or books, or movies, but not this, this is not a point for debating, or arguing ok?

we all have different beliefs on everything but we love debating and discussing it to one another. but why not if its about God?

Winter,
If jesus has infinate mercy, why did he let so many jews be murdered during the 1940's?

you should get more idea who God realy is by reading the Bible. as it was written: "God is a jealous God, a consuming fire!"

you should know that he also knlws how to get mad and punishes those who commit unforgivable sins.

thanks. i hope you'll always be honest in yourself. i hope you wont change. but if ever you do, i hope it'll always be for the better and not for the worst like some other. :)

since I've changed so much for the worse, I guess it wouldnt be rude of me to say "PAST AND COPY" ...it's a neat little trick you should check out

who respects who? does God have to respect man's will than the other way around?

"come to me and serve me." or
"i'll chose the life i want for my self!"

which one should be done?

I like all of your responses you have written. I could not think of how to respond. I even became scared because I did not know what to say. But, I am glad you are here to respond. You wrote the best responses.

People who criticize the Bible are dicks.

since I've changed so much for the worse, I guess it wouldnt be rude of me to say "PAST AND COPY" ...it's a neat little trick you should check out

sorry sweet heart, this is not the right thread for this. i tried not to mention names. so please...i like you but i dont think i saw anything worthy from you as a good friend. but i do know you're a good mother. i guess that's just where my respect for you lies.

I like all of your responses you have written. I could not think of how to respond. I even became scared because I did not know what to say. But, I am glad you are here to respond. You wrote the best responses.

I like the reponses too; just wish he'd paste and copy, it makes them much easier to read :)

I dont believe. So, tell me, shall i 'perish'?? The bible is facinating. But my problem is with the use of the word TRUTH. Whoose truth? I believe each person should find their own way in life. Some organised religions use peoples fear of death to control them. Fear mongering. God is everything, sin, pleasure death, suffering, sex, bukkake, getting high, dripping candle wax on your dick cause your bored......wait, am i lowering the tone of this thread?
I cant be serious for too long, gives me a headache.

as it was written: "you will remember me when you taste the everlasting fire."

I like all of your responses you have written. I could not think of how to respond. I even became scared because I did not know what to say. But, I am glad you are here to respond. You wrote the best responses.

thanks. and am always glad that you're there to appreciate. i needed that. ;) i thought nobody else knows how to complement. :)

sorry sweet heart, this is not the right thread for this. i tried not to mention names. so please...i like you but i dont think i saw anything worthy from you as a good friend. but i do know you're a good mother. i guess that's just where my respect for you lies.

I'm not worthy? Okay. To joke with you on occasion is all I ever wanted to begin with.
I like what you've said about the Bible, it's just easier to read it all in one post.
(You didnt have to mention names; if I caught it, so did others.) I came to this thread to read responses, it doesnt matter whose they are

I like the reponses too; just wish he'd paste and copy, it makes them much easier to read :)

as it was written: "some will mock you because of my name." and as it always does, the Bible prophesised. :rolleyes:

as it was written: "you will remember me when you taste the everlasting fire."
Oh bollocks! Im going to hell am i? lol, cheers.
Your post actually does not make sense, "you will remember me...", i never said anything about having trouble remembering anything.
Also, its so easy to quote from the bible, try actually responding in your own words, like everyone else has the sense to do.
As it is written....

I see where you come from, I’ve try to read the Bible & have been left hanging, not reading it b/c I am religious, but b/c I want to know what’s the big deal is about it. There is your old and new testaments, WTF? And these are books placed together to make sense? I don’t know how many book are in it but I know that the tablets that the supposedly writings are on have a butt load of cracks and missing pieces, plus the languages are very different, and the bible has been translated several times. (Vocabulary plays an important factor here)

Even by starting in the beginning reading about Adam and Eve, where the Cane and Able stories began, states that Cane killed able and then left his house, later says that Cane went to a city and met his wife. WTF? If Adam and Eve were the first people on Earth (besides the Ice Man/Caveman Theories) and only had Two boys at first, where did the other people come from, later on Adam and Eve have more kids but all boys, never a girl.

??????????????????????????????

Then they lived to be how old? 800 or 900 years old? Wouldn’t there be proof?

as it was written: "he who ask for a proof shall not see any."

as it was written: "some will mock you because of my name." and as it always does, the Bible prophesised. :rolleyes:

SIGH...wasnt mocking you....SIGH...if youre comparing yourself to anything or anyone in the Bible then I have no desire to read your thought's on the Bible in the first place. SIGH !!!!!!!!

Oh bollocks! Im going to hell am i? lol, cheers.
Your post actually does not make sense, "you will remember me...", i never said anything about having trouble remembering anything.
Also, its so easy to quote from the bible, try actually responding in your own words, like everyone else has the sense to do.
As it is written....


You didnt!!! why did you change your avatar? :eek:

Oh bollocks! Im going to hell am i? lol, cheers.
Your post actually does not make sense, "you will remember me...", i never said anything about having trouble remembering anything.
Also, its so easy to quote from the bible, try actually responding in your own words, like everyone else has the sense to do.
As it is written....

i can do that if i want to. but i dont think i can make better answers than what was written. i cant tell you that you will remember me when you go to hell ;cpz am nobody. only the almighty can say that. and he did in his words through the scriptures. :cool:

I'm not worthy? Okay. To joke with you on occasion is all I ever wanted to begin with.
I like what you've said about the Bible, it's just easier to read it all in one post.
(You didnt have to mention names; if I caught it, so did others.) I came to this thread to read responses, it doesnt matter whose they are

thanks for the unsolicited advice. but honestly i appreciate it. but just because you dont want to see names doesnt mean i have to also. am tryin' to respond specifically on each of their own concerns. if nobody else does this, tthen let it be my trade mark. ;)

You didnt!!! why did you change your avatar? :eek:
Ah ha, wel, after yesterday i just thought that if i want to get to know people here, its probably not a good idea to show images that might push people away.

thanks for the unsolicited advice. but honestly i appreciate it. but just because you dont want to see names doesnt mean i have to also. am tryin' to respond specifically on each of their own concerns. if nobody else does this, tthen let it be my trade mark. ;)

Just trying to make it easier for everyone to read (that way they might keep reading)
I didnt say that I didnt want to see the other posters names..I was referring to the comment "dont change for the worse like one other" ...you didnt name names, but I caught it..see, this is the type of thing I mean, you misinterpet what I'm saying and twist it around.

Like I said before, whatever you say Evo, whatever you say

Ah ha, wel, after yesterday i just thought that if i want to get to know people here, its probably not a good idea to show images that might push people away.

Awww man, if it's cause of what I said, dont do that. That makes me feel bad, or responsible. Do what you like babe...no problems here ;)

i can do that if i want to. but i dont think i can make better answers than what was written. i cant tell you that you will remember me when you go to hell ;cpz am nobody. only the almighty can say that. and he did in his words through the scriptures. :cool:

I will remember YOU?? Do you actually mean YOU!?? Hmm, somebodys suffering from an inflated sense of importance!

Awww man, if it's cause of what I said, dont do that. That makes me feel bad, or responsible. Do what you like babe...no problems here ;)
Cool, it just got me thinking about stuff (dont think im alone !)

People suffer because they sinned. SO why did Jesus suffer?

I mean, Caligula was a sick **** he didn't suffer all that much. As I recall just about ALL of the apostles died quite badly.....more so than their persecutors.

MORE BULL****.

people sinned and they were bound for the sufferings but Jesus' sacrificed himself (as was prophesised) to take all minkind's sufferings and give them hope to have an eternal life.

my favorite part there was when Jesus died, the curtain of the tabernacle was torn in half from top to bottm. do you know what it means? ;)

Cool, it just got me thinking about stuff (dont think im alone !)

Youre not alone??

Youre not alone??
lol, I meant that im not the only one who has been made to think about things because of this thread.

lol, I meant that im not the only one who has been made to think about things because of this thread.

Perfectly understandable...maybe that's a good thing. (Gotta run to walmart; be right back!)

I will remember YOU?? Do you actually mean YOU!?? Hmm, somebodys suffering from an inflated sense of importance!

"they will try to look but will not find, listen but will not hear. they will try to understand but will not have the wisdom." so instead will mock because of his name.

I cannot go to a church that has its African Missionaries discourage condom use in countries overrun with AIDS.

I just don't like the idea of someone's 'salvation' being more important than their quality of life.

what is quality of life?

eternal or mortal?

Seem's that way...I sent you and RedRaw good Karma just so you'd know that I wasnt taking any of it persoanl. Everybody has views, and it does seem like so many reverends and preachers do their best to confuse the issue more and line their pockets. When I was just 10 we pulled into the parking lot of the church we had always gone to, and my Dad opened my door, let me out, took 3 steps and stopped....then he opened my door, put me back in and we left; never went back. I asked him why not. He said that the preacher had raised money for a car to visit the elderly, etc.. (Dad had donated) and that was fine...but he didnt need a Lincoln Towncar to do it with. (That was the first time the preacher had driven his new car to church) I havent been to church since; except when my daughter got baptised.

what if you were livin' in the past where Jesus was livin' and you encountered a preacher? how would you know its Jesus or not? how would you determine the Messiah from a false one?

careful that it was also written that he will come for the second time and will caught many unprepared for the judgement. how then can you say whether the preacher is false or not?

"they will try to look but will not find, listen but will not hear. they will try to understand but will not have the wisdom." so instead will mock because of his name.

U come across as very very self rightous. And u avoid replying in ur own words. Did u think that we all interperate biblical passages slightly differently? Ur taking quotes out of their original context.

Garret

Did the book of Genesis fall from the sky? If so, then I may inclined to believe that it is the word of god. If not, it was written by some crazy **** in the desert.

if that's your reasoning, then let me ask a question.
do you have brain? if so, then prove it. if i am to reason the way you do, i would say am gonna have to see it to believe it. :cool:

THats what I'm talking about right there; with all the scandal's with the Catholic church (and the Baptist arent excluded thanks to Swaggart and others!) it is about enough to make anybody stop going to church. I like to think that loving God and believing in Him are enough; that I dont have to go to church and listen to a man that may live worse than I do

God used several people to spread his words. some may have lived worse than you. but does that mean you wont believe what they're sayin'?

When i commented on the use of the word truth i had the bible in mind more than your post. Although i agree with wat u say, it still iritates me that some people say the bible is the true word of god, in other words, other religions are less worthy or false. Its more how the person uses the word, in a holier than thou way.
I guess truth is very much subjective.

"i am the way, the truth and the life." who is he? ;)

The one true religion in the world.....was the shakers. They were the ones who were right. The rest of us are going to hell.

as it was written: "you are going to hell! and you will remember me when you get there!"

U come across as very very self rightous. And u avoid replying in ur own words. Did u think that we all interperate biblical passages slightly differently? Ur taking quotes out of their original context.

no am not. like what the apostles said, they dont sapeak of God's words for you to think that they're rightous. but rather they came for you to spread God's words.

interpret, no i dont think so.

Just trying to make it easier for everyone to read (that way they might keep reading)
I didnt say that I didnt want to see the other posters names..I was referring to the comment "dont change for the worse like one other" ...you didnt name names, but I caught it..see, this is the type of thing I mean, you misinterpet what I'm saying and twist it around.

Like I said before, whatever you say Evo, whatever you say

did i? oh! am sorry... :o

no am not. like what the apostles said, they dont sapeak of God's words for you to think that they're rightous. but rather they came for you to spread God's words.

interpret, no i dont think so.
Really? U dont think people interperate the bible and its words differently?? Wel, i know they do.

Really? U dont think people interperate the bible and its words differently?? Wel, i know they do.

nope. i dont think there's a slight difference as you said. 'coz i belive there's huge. :p

what if you were livin' in the past where Jesus was livin' and you encountered a preacher? how would you know its Jesus or not? how would you determine the Messiah from a false one?

careful that it was also written that he will come for the second time and will caught many unprepared for the judgement. how then can you say whether the preacher is false or not?

Youre method's are judgemental and all wrong; I wont answer to you. I'll answer to God

nope. i dont think there's a slight difference as you said. 'coz i belive there's huge. :p
Why not say that in the first place instead of TRYING to be a smart ass.

QUOTE by bigdlb12wise
man says, "If god did not exist, then he must have been invented”
Lets let that marinate for a while

so sweet ill give ya dark red (approving color)

Youre method's are judgemental and all wrong; I wont answer to you. I'll answer to God

how did it became judgemental?
how will you answer to him if you dont know whom to believe?

it was written: "there's no other way to heaven but through me." the question is, do we know him? will we reconize him when he comes to us and say, "listen to God's words." how do we know he's already here (the second coming)?

Summer, thank you again for all the beautiful words. Thank you for always being kind to me. I broke my ankle on monday and have missed school all week, but your words have really made me feel better. Thank you Summer. I can't wait until my ankle feels better. Thank you again Summer for everything.

Summer, thank you again for all the beautiful words. Thank you for always being kind to me. I broke my ankle on monday and have missed school all week, but your words have really made me feel better. Thank you Summer. I can't wait until my ankle feels better. Thank you again Summer for everything.

realy? how did you broke your ankle? am glad that though am not with you, at least somethin' i did made you feel better. it'll be my pleasure to always make you feel better. :)get well soon honey. ;)

how did it became judgemental?
how will you answer to him if you dont know whom to believe?

it was written: "there's no other way to heaven but through me." the question is, do we know him? will we reconize him when he comes to us and say, "listen to God's words." how do we know he's already here (the second coming)?

How will you know it's Him?
I said I wouldnt answer to you; I think I'll know the difference between you and God.
You've lost me on this conversation; if I just want someone to read to me from the Bible and try and make me feel inferior than I'll go to church. Thought this was a discussion...oh, that's right, it was, til you came along and messed up the thread. People asked you how you felt; not how well you could read

How will you know it's Him?
I said I wouldnt answer to you; I think I'll know the difference between you and God.
You've lost me on this conversation; if I just want someone to read to me from the Bible and try and make me feel inferior than I'll go to church. Thought this was a discussion...oh, that's right, it was, til you came along and messed up the thread. People asked you how you felt; not how well you could read
Tracy hit the nail on the head.

This thread has gone to hell :D

realy? how did you broke your ankle? am glad that though am not with you, at least somethin' i did made you feel better. it'll be my pleasure to always make you feel better. :)get well soon honey. ;)

I was jumping around acting silly, trying to be funny, and I was very silly, and I stepped on a shoe that I did not see in the living room, and I broke my ankle. My brother immediately picked me up and took me to the hospital. I will talk to you again soon.

you should get more idea who God realy is by reading the Bible. as it was written: "God is a jealous God, a consuming fire!"

you should know that he also knlws how to get mad and punishes those who commit unforgivable sins.

Which sect of christianity were you raised in Evo? Just curious.

I was jumping around acting silly, trying to be funny, and I was very silly, and I stepped on a shoe that I did not see in the living room, and I broke my ankle. My brother immediately picked me up and took me to the hospital. I will talk to you again soon.

ok. you take good care of yourself and get well soon. :)

I wish I hadnt entered this thread, and did put off doing so for a few day's; now I know the view's of people I had always liked to joke around with, and to be honest it really bug's me. Fair? I dont know.

not bothered if my views arent the same as yours or that i chose not to swallow everything they put in my mouth (no innuendo)
if theres truth in it or not we shouldnt be forced to believe it.

the way i remember my infants and primary school (age 4-11) st.james c of e it was like propaganda..you HAD to learn all the religious hymns and prayers whether you were muslim , catholic, sikh or any other religion.

you had to goto church regardless , you had to learn only about the one religion.

only once i got to secondary school (age 12-16)could i actually change my education..they also made everyone learn christianity but it wasnt actually compulsory.so i took general religious lessons

and as for jesus being stupid and him dying for us..well he didnt die for me..im not being in debt for decisions other people made before i was born.id owe millions of people as much as jesus if thaa was the case.


man. i like your trivia about the calendar. what's you reference? i'd like to know more about that. thanks. :)

a book about the crystal skulls...its out on loan so ill need to find out what its called.its a resarch teams findings concerning the mayan crystal..lots of factual stuff.
or you could just check it out on the net.

Which sect of christianity were you raised in Evo? Just curious.

sure. no problem.

i was born catholic. but later driven probbably by curiosity, i listened to every preachers and compare them and see which one tells more about the truth. i read the Bible as i listened. then i realized the Church of Christ preaches the best among them. but later on, i noticed that though they have a good teachings in the church, they didnt seemed to practice their teaching according to how a religous group would.

so i decided to quit. now, am a man who's devotion is bound on the one closest possible source of faith. the Bible. i follow the Bible. :)

not bothered if my views arent the same as yours or that i chose not to swallow everything they put in my mouth (no innuendo)
if theres truth in it or not we shouldnt be forced to believe it.

the way i remember my infants and primary school (age 4-11) st.james c of e it was like propaganda..you HAD to learn all the religious hymns and prayers whether you were muslim , catholic, sikh or any other religion.

you had to goto church regardless , you had to learn only about the one religion.

only once i got to secondary school (age 12-16)could i actually change my education..they also made everyone learn christianity but it wasnt actually compulsory.so i took general religious lessons

and as for jesus being stupid and him dying for us..well he didnt die for me..im not being in debt for decisions other people made before i was born.id owe millions of people as much as jesus if thaa was the case.




a book about the crystal skulls...its out on loan so ill need to find out what its called.its a resarch teams findings concerning the mayan crystal..lots of factual stuff.
or you could just check it out on the net.

thanks man. :)

lets say I'm a very good person, a philanthopist. Involved with charities and the community, do what's right. But I don't believe in God, nor go to church. With that said, I'm still going to hell, while murderers, rapists, etc can still be forgiven because they believe.
Another thing, did you know that not going to church on the sabbath day(day of worship) is considered a mortal sin. It's close to, if not worse than murder. So to you believers that don't go to church, keep that in mind.
By the way, I'm not an Athiest, nor am I religious. You can say I'm an Agnostic.

lets say I'm a very good person, a philanthopist. Involved with charities and the community, do what's right. But I don't believe in God, nor go to church. With that said, I'm still going to hell, while murderers, rapists, etc can still be forgiven because they believe.
Another thing, did you know that not going to church on the sabbath day(day of worship) is considered a mortal sin. It's close to, if not worse than murder. So to you believers that don't go to church, keep that in mind.
By the way, I'm not an Athiest, nor am I religious. You can say I'm an Agnostic.

Good point, and something to think about. I just have trust issues with preachers, etc...not with God. I do pray before every meal and before bed and try to be nice to people, but I'm sure that being active in church would be a good idea; it's just the preacher thing I have a problem with.

ok it is as simple as this
"if you fall in one point of the law you fall in all"
You commit ONE sin you may as well have done all the others, there are no degrees of sin in the eyes of God each is bad as the other.

ok it is as simple as this
"if you fall in one point of the law you fall in all"
You commit ONE sin you may as well have done all the others, there are no degrees of sin in the eyes of God each is bad as the other.

I've always heard there are no "small sins", and I believe that. For some reason though, I believe that cursing God is the worst you can do. I've said some bad word's in my time, but GD is not a word I use for any reason, no matter how mad I am

ok it is as simple as this
"if you fall in one point of the law you fall in all"
You commit ONE sin you may as well have done all the others, there are no degrees of sin in the eyes of God each is bad as the other.

Im pretty sure it aint as simple as that. To say telling a lie is as bad as murder makes your God out to be kinda stupid.

I say 'your' God because i assume thats the God ur talking about. Other Gods are not judgmental. For example, my concept of God is vastly different than that of the bible.

That one does seem so personal doesn't it?
you get the feeling he is watching you do that one.
I got the same feeling in high school have not done it since if i recall correctly.
Does not matter how good you are or how much you punish yourself for your sins, you can't undo what has been done, only someone perfect to take our place can do that, only one left after the fall was God himself :D.
One sin is enough to do it and there is no going back once it is done, nothing you can do personally anyway. It has already been done :D.

Ah ha, wel, after yesterday i just thought that if i want to get to know people here, its probably not a good idea to show images that might push people away.

I think it was a good idea. I don't really know you well, but with your other avatar I was repulsed. Now I wouldn't mind getting to know you better.

I'm a bit surprised by how much action this topic has gotten.

Im pretty sure it aint as simple as that. To say telling a lie is as bad as murder makes your God out to be kinda stupid.

I say 'your' God because i assume thats the God ur talking about. Other Gods are not judgmental. For example, my concept of God is vastly different than that of the bible.
No it isn't it makes alot of sense, lets say you have a king who demands the purest water and nothing but, if you spill one drop of unclean water in there or if you pour a bucket of filthy water in it it is still unclean no matter how you look at it and unfit for the king to drink.

I'm a bit surprised by how much action this topic has gotten.
religion is the most talked about topic of all i would think

religion is the most talked about topic of all i would think

On a boxing site?

This is the lounge sonny :rolleyes:

No it isn't it makes alot of sense, lets say you have a king who demands the purest water and nothing but, if you spill one drop of unclean water in there or if you pour a bucket of filthy water in it it is still unclean no matter how you look at it and unfit for the king to drink.

i understand that. By the way, i didnt mean to say ur god was stupid, its just that that type of god is one i cant believe in. I believe that god understands us, and even if we dont believe that he exists he knows we are only doing wat we believe to be right. Not punish us for telling my fat girlfriend that she aint fat coz that makes her feel better lol. U understand?

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Would that be saying Gods name in vain?

http://www.wolfness.com/upload/thisthreadsucks.jpg
Would that be saying Gods name in vain?

Good question...I've heard that it is, but when people pray its ok to say His name then. That's why I do it occasionally, but will never curse his name. Just one of the many thing's about the Bible that can confuse

i understand that. By the way, i didnt mean to say ur god was stupid, its just that that type of god is one i cant believe in. I believe that god understands us, and even if we dont believe that he exists he knows we are only doing wat we believe to be right. Not punish us for telling my fat girlfriend that she aint fat coz that makes her feel better lol. U understand?


One problem I have always had with the Bible and my religion in general is the idea that if you don't recognize the lord as your savior, you are doomed for eternity. And this is the problem I have - What about people in China or other places who have never even been introduced to Christianity? Is it fair that they be condemned? And also doean't this mandate stack the cards in favor of those raised as Christians? i mean if i was born and raised a Jew I doubt I would be any more likely to convert to Christianity than i am to switch to Judaism as a inculturated Chistian. I tend to believe that the lord is a merciful and forgiving force that weighs matters far differently than we can fathom. i do believe that being a good man among our fellow man counts for something.

Steps down from soapbox.

i understand that. By the way, i didnt mean to say ur god was stupid, its just that that type of god is one i cant believe in. I believe that god understands us, and even if we dont believe that he exists he knows we are only doing wat we believe to be right. Not punish us for telling my fat girlfriend that she aint fat coz that makes her feel better lol. U understand?
It is still a lie and if she is fat and you tell her you can help her change her weight to make her healthier

It is still a lie and if she is fat and you tell her you can help her change her weight to make her healthier
Wel, she is healthy but does not like the fact that she is fatter than other girls. So, wen she asks me " am i fat?" do i say " God will send me to hell if i say no!!" ?

When My wife asks that I say, you look great to me. That's what the question really is inquiring anyway.

When My wife asks that I say, you look great to me. That's what the question really is inquiring anyway.

nice advice :cool:

a wise man once told me:

"Just nod and smile, and you'll get ***** for a long while."

Ok i dont really have a fat girlfriend , i was trying to make a point! lol Actually i dont have a girlfriend at all, unless having broadband counts.

Ok i dont really have a fat girlfriend , i was trying to make a point! lol Actually i dont have a girlfriend at all, unless having broadband counts.
it does count...so soon ill be single again..no more broadbean for me

Why no broadband? :(
they just extended the distance on the phone lines but i cannot get it, they have the worst timing.

my head hurts!

It's become quite obvious that I'm going to hell. Forget the fact that I raise three kids who are all doing well and help others. Forget that I do charity work non stop. Forget that I'm good to people. Forget that I always try and do the right thing. (don't always suceed) Becuase I don't go to church, unless with my baptised daughter..(who I choose to respect her beliefs and support her in such) I am damned to hell?

I don't get it. I respect all beliefs as long as they teach good. Hypocracy is a terrible thing. As the great Rodney King said, "can't we all just get along?"...lol

What is the problem dave, do something about it :D is right there in the bible

For god so loved the world he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth on him hath everlasting life :p

my head hurts!

It's become quite obvious that I'm going to hell. Forget the fact that I raise three kids who are all doing well and help others. Forget that I do charity work non stop. Forget that I'm good to people. Forget that I always try and do the right thing. (don't always suceed) Becuase I don't go to church, unless with my baptised daughter..(who I choose to respect her beliefs and support her in such) I am damned to hell?

I don't get it. I respect all beliefs as long as they teach good. Hypocracy is a terrible thing. As the great Rodney King said, "can't we all just get along?"...lol

Just give up dave, ur wel and truly ****ed!
My plan is this. Sin my ass off, have fun, indulge in sins of the flesh etc, then ask for forgiveness on my death bed.

Just give up dave, ur wel and truly ****ed!
My plan is this. Sin my ass off, have fun, indulge in sins of the flesh etc, then ask for forgiveness on my death bed.

your probably right, becuase if you are a sinner until the death bed, but then "accept Jesus as your savior" you'll be fine, while I'm burning for doing right (sometimes anyway)..lol

Why no broadband? :(
they just extended the distance on the phone lines but i cannot get it, they have the worst timing.

lost any motivation to work so cant afford it...

sure. no problem.

i was born catholic. but later driven probbably by curiosity, i listened to every preachers and compare them and see which one tells more about the truth. i read the Bible as i listened. then i realized the Church of Christ preaches the best among them. but later on, i noticed that though they have a good teachings in the church, they didnt seemed to practice their teaching according to how a religous group would.

so i decided to quit. now, am a man who's devotion is bound on the one closest possible source of faith. the Bible. i follow the Bible. :)

So you only follow the bible. Okay, that is not too bad, at least you are cutting out some of the middlemen there. Let me ask you something else, do you know who Ignacious was?

lost any motivation to work so cant afford it...
Noone wants to work dude, but trust me after having broadband and then going back to dial up you will be missing it something rotten, imagine having 5Mb cable for 2 weeks, full fights in single figure minutes, pages instantly loading, then coming home to Dial up
full fights in double digit hours, pages taking minutes to load.
Get back to work YOU LAZY BUM :mad:
:p

Whay did Jesus abandon Byrd in the Ibeabuchi fight? Had Byrd done something wrong? Had Jesus forsaken him?

Whay did Jesus abandon Byrd in the Ibeabuchi fight? Had Byrd done something wrong? Had Jesus forsaken him?

ROFLMAOOOOOOO!

Byrd's style bored God.

ROFLMAOOOOOOO!

Byrd's style bored God.

Exactly my point. Not even God likes Chris Byrd, so why should you?

You are correct.

I am a non practicing Catholic myself. a week ago I attended my wife's grandfather's funeral. During the ceremony I started to really ponder on the idea of Heaven or Hell. I am positive that there is a higher being or energy source that we are all a part of and i believe that when we "cease to exist" or "die" thenour energy returns to that source. I believe that this main source is where life comes from. This is my belief. As far as the Bible. I recommend you guys read the book titled "Tutankhamun: The Exodus Conspiracy. Author is Andrew Collins and Chris Ogilvie-Herald.

Actually Palma, there is quite a bit of physics which would back up that belief.

Noone wants to work dude, but trust me after having broadband and then going back to dial up you will be missing it something rotten, imagine having 5Mb cable for 2 weeks, full fights in single figure minutes, pages instantly loading, then coming home to Dial up
full fights in double digit hours, pages taking minutes to load.
Get back to work YOU LAZY BUM :mad:
:p
haha..i wont be getting dial up either lol.
we got broadbean downstairs too so getting boxing aint a problem.

and in case everyone didnt know gta san andreas comes out october 22nd and then i wont need a pc.
plus its my birthday in a less than a week so i can rebuy a ps2 no doubt.

my new friends will be guns,prostitutes and pro plus :D

haha..i wont be getting dial up either lol.
we got broadbean downstairs too so getting boxing aint a problem.

and in case everyone didnt know gta san andreas comes out october 22nd and then i wont need a pc.
plus its my birthday in a less than a week so i can rebuy a ps2 no doubt.

my new friends will be guns,prostitutes and pro plus :D

Damn S******, would you lose that avatar please???

commit to the Lord whatever you do & your plans will succeed........Prov 16.3 :)

commit to the Lord whatever you do & your plans will succeed........Prov 16.3 :)
The Bible is a masterful work that's like a Hollywood script. It mixes a lot of historical facts with fiction to make for an entertaining read. Most people who claim they "read" the Bible only remember certain excerpts, quote them to others so they can sound intelligent on the subject.

I prefer the words and guidance of the almighty and all powerful Lucifer! :D

The Old Testament is evil and full of filth. The New Testament is great, and has nothing in common with the old one.

The old one prophsiesed for the comming of the new one and the new one testifies for the old. this is why they were said to be one.... :p


Yeah, right.

The OT is a story of an ugly God acting and encouraging people to act like Jack the Ripper; recall the story of Sampson, for example.

The NT is something totally opposite with Jesus being what the merciful God should be -- the Savior. He did sacrifice his life to show what People can be to each other. The old pagan God of OT has nothing to do with great, merciful Jesus of the NT.

The fact that OT and NT "refer" to each other means nothing to me, and the "reference" probably reflects various "editions" introduced during several Bible canonization congresses held by the Church in the medieval times. At the times hundreds of "wrong" Bibles were burned. "The one" Bible emerged right after these fires, and incidentally right before the fires of the Holy Inquisition.

The whole marriage of OT and NT is an absolutely bizarre puzzle to me.

someone said:

People suffer because they sinned. SO why did Jesus suffer?

I mean, Caligula was a sick **** he didn't suffer all that much. As I recall just about ALL of the apostles died quite badly.....more so than their persecutors.


EVERYBODY SUFFERS! Some are just better at hiding it.

The marriage of OT and New T isn't much of a puzzle to me, the OT is there to show how what ****ups people are, that we can't do it on our own... you know, it's there to show why we made such a ****ing mess of the world. The nEw T is the answer, it's like a philosophy argument, first, you gotta convince someone there's a problem before you try and explain the solution

someone said:

People suffer because they sinned. SO why did Jesus suffer?

I mean, Caligula was a sick **** he didn't suffer all that much. As I recall just about ALL of the apostles died quite badly.....more so than their persecutors.


EVERYBODY SUFFERS! Some are just better at hiding it.

The marriage of OT and New T isn't much of a puzzle to me, the OT is there to show how what ****ups people are, that we can't do it on our own... you know, it's there to show why we made such a ****ing mess of the world. The nEw T is the answer, it's like a philosophy argument, first, you gotta convince someone there's a problem before you try and explain the solution


The old God of OT demanding human sacrifices is quite a contrast with the new God of NT, Jesus. If marriage of OT and NT was done for the purposes of creating this contrast, I accept it, but I think the old God is often being equated with Jesus in standard interpretations, which I can not accept.

There is a whole ABYSS between the old God of OT and the new God Jesus of the NT.

The old God of OT demanding human sacrifices is quite a contrast with the new God of NT, Jesus. If marriage of OT and NT was done for the purposes of creating this contrast, I accept it, but I think the old God is often being equated with Jesus in standard interpretations.

There is a whole ABYSS between the old God of OT and the new God Jesus of the NT.
Don't forget the laid back, leniant, "Oh WELL!" God that allows priests to play "hide the salami" with alterboys.
MY personal fave! :rolleyes:

Don't forget the "laid back", leniant, "Oh WELL!" God that allows preists to play "hide the salami" with alterboys.
MY personal fave! :rolleyes:


I never could understand why Catholic church harbored those pedos.

Thank God that I am not Catholic (no offense). It is plain abnormal to not let priests marry and live normal lives.

Don't forget the laid back, leniant, "Oh WELL!" God that allows priests to play "hide the salami" with alterboys.
MY personal fave! :rolleyes:

My favorite story from OT is that of the old God asking a man to sacrifice the life of his son in the name of God.

What would the response of a normal caring father be to that?

Nothing else but FY, right?

The Bible is a great book.

It brings peace to millions.

i'd rather be sacrificed than be an altar boy!

i'd rather be sacrificed than be an altar boy!


You'd rather die. I never knew being an alter boy was such torture. lol

being an altar boi these days means getting reamed in the ass by a priest, or several

My favorite story from OT is that of the old God asking a man to sacrifice the life of his son in the name of God.

What would the response of a normal caring father be to that?

Nothing else but FY, right?


That story makes me wonder if it's there to be a hint at Jesus, that God would make that sacrifice for us but, as i recall, Abraham was ASKED to sacrifice his son, BUT He didn't have to do it.

Read the Bible guy, I have some sincere questions.

Do you believe there is only one path to God, through Jesus, and without Jesus there is no life with God?

Is there only death for those who do not choose Jesus as their saviour?

Thanks for your consideration of these simple but meaningful questions.
It's always good to know what somebody thinks of me, and my immortal soul's destiny.

Munn

Read the Bible guy, I have some sincere questions.

Do you believe there is only one path to God, through Jesus, and without Jesus there is no life with God?

Is there only death for those who do not choose Jesus as their saviour?

Thanks for your consideration of these simple but meaningful questions.
It's always good to know what somebody thinks of me, and my immortal soul's destiny.

Munn

Firstly my name is not read the bible guy, and secondly whatever answer I give you will surely disagree with, so I'll just leave it alone.

whatever answer I give you will surely disagree with, so I'll just leave it alone.

Oh, ye of little faith!
:rolleyes:

Read the Bible guy, I have some sincere questions.

Do you believe there is only one path to God, through Jesus, and without Jesus there is no life with God?

Is there only death for those who do not choose Jesus as their saviour?

Thanks for your consideration of these simple but meaningful questions.
It's always good to know what somebody thinks of me, and my immortal soul's destiny.

Munn

That is what the Bible tells us, but I admit I have my doubts.

Maybe the path isn't so narrow as it seems

That story makes me wonder if it's there to be a hint at Jesus, that God would make that sacrifice for us but, as i recall, Abraham was ASKED to sacrifice his son, BUT He didn't have to do it.

I find it hard seeing this story as a hint at Jesus.

I just don't understand it. Which sane person or sane God would ask a father to sacrifice his son? At the end of the day the greater being (old Pagan God from OT) turned out to be sooo "nice" by not requiring the man to go through with the sacrifice. That was an astonishing act of "humanism," right?

But wasn't it extremely sick to ASK for the sacrifice in the first place, was it? I don't understand this at all, and I can't read between the lines, I refuse to read between the lines.

i agree, it's pretty ****ed up...maybe there was no other way to test Abe's faith... it makes me wonder if we should read things we don't really understand so literally, there's a possibility that the story could be a metaphor, or symbolism

i agree, it's pretty ****ed up...maybe there was no other way to test Abe's faith... it makes me wonder if we should read things we don't really understand so literally, there's a possibility that the story could be a metaphor, or symbolism

If God wrote the OT, I am sure she would have managed to communciate herself clearly. But it surely looks more likely to me that a bunch of "rabbies", and not God, wrote the OT.

In contrast, Jesus' message was simple and very clear.

Exactly, that's why i stay out of the OT alltogether. The life of Jesus is what it's all about