I can't see Marciano having any chance at all against Valuev. Marciano is a little kid in comparrison. It would be a total mismatch! Valuev is not a normal boxer, hes a god damn killing machine on too legs! Valuev has huge punching power when he throws with leverage and malice. If he lets that uppercut go full force, outside of Oliver McCall, I don't think there would be a fighter alive that could survive it.
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I can't see Marciano having any chance at all against Valuev. Marciano is a little kid in comparrison. It would be a total mismatch! Valuev is not a normal boxer, hes a god damn killing machine on too legs! Valuev has huge punching power when he throws with leverage and malice. If he lets that uppercut go full force, outside of Oliver McCall, I don't think there would be a fighter alive that could survive it.
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You are an idiot if you think that's true. Marciano would just pound his body and them knock him cold in about 6 rounds tops.

Marciano may be overrated, but Valuev is just a joke.

Yeah what he said ^

Repeat thread.....
Marciano wins though.
Valuev is just tall with a long reach and fights "chump" boxers for the most part.

EDIT: Its a twice repeat thread.
First:Posted by Southpaw Stinger on 2-15-06
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63170&highlight=Marciano+Valuev

Second: aljon on 4-22-06
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70437&highlight=Marciano+Valuev

Both times almost everyone agreed Rocky Marciano would KO Nikolay Valuev. Seems rather easy to notice.

Only way I see Nikolay Valuev winning this one is if he uses his reach to keep Marciano at bay for 15 rounds. Slim chance of that happening due to the fact that Marciano's stamina is much better then Valuev's. Also the fact that I can see Marciano getting inside on Valuev due to the fact that Valuev has long arms and I can see him having sub-par handspeed.

Marciano gets inside beats this chump up, then in maybe the 4th round jumps up off the canvas and knockes him out.

Rocky Marciano KO's Nikolay Valuev in 4

plus I've heard Valuev's on steroids, as if he wasn't giant enough.

Valuev has no power for his size. He's going to have a lot of trouble punching down against small Marciano who is in a crouch (small target)

Marciano easil bypasses Valuev's jab and pound Valuevs body into submission.

Marciano wins by early to mid KO.

I am the only person that is awake and everybody else is dreaming.Make no mistake about it, Marciano is nothing but a cruiserweight in todays world! He don't move around like Roy Jones either, hes a slow ploding fighter that Valuev would have no problem dispatching at all. Nobody less than 200 pounds can compete with this man. It is difficult to understand that people don't think Valuev has huge punching power....I mean bloody hell, hes 7 foot and 320 pounds!.....when he throws a punch with leverage you can forget about it. What planet are these naysayers from? Unbelivable! :o
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It is difficult to understand that people don't think Valuev has huge punching power....I mean bloody hell, hes 7 foot and 320 pounds!.....when he throws a punch with leverage you can forget about it. What planet are these naysayers from?

He doesn't have any leverage, weight doesn't equate to power. Valuev is a big ogre with a very padded record.

:mad: .....and Marciano is just a cruiseweight that could not compete in todays world. No more hero worship! Logic has spoken!

tucker you obviousy no nothing about marciano

valuev is big and slow marciao would get in tight and ppound his body

:mad: .....and Marciano is just a cruiseweight that could not compete in todays world. No more hero worship! Logic has spoken!
Many people who have said that have gone and seen tapes of him training and said he looks like a 200+ pound fighter. There's no doubht in my mind that by today's training he'd be 210 or 215 with extra muscle.

Also as stated before Marciano excelled against taller opponents becauase he used leverage. Plus Valuev is a bum who fought bums and is very overrated because he's 7 feet tall. Carmine Vingo who I could say probably has more skill then Valuev was 6'4 and Rocky put him in a coma. Granted that thats still a difference of 8 inches but regardless the rock shouldn't be taken lightly, especially against some goofy 7 ft tall 300 lb chump.

What can I say....there are none so blind that do not want to see! Enough, this discussion is over!!! :mad:
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What can I say....there are none so blind that do not want to see! Enough, this discussion is over!!! :mad:
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WTF?!
Its not like I'm hugging Marciano's nuts because I got the guy who hates Marciano (more or less) to agree with me. When Butterfly1964 says Rocky Marciano's got the advantage over someone thats most likely because he does.

Valuev has no skill whats so ever, no power, and he's supposed to beat Marciano?

Come on think before you speak..You haven't even supplied any reason's valuev would win. Why because he's 7 feet tall?

The only reasons you've given is because he's 7 feet tall and has punching power.

True he's 7 feet tall but size doesn't make the boxer, just because somebody's tall doesn't mean he's good.

Punching Power? No he doesn't, he's knocked out a few bums- to the best of my knowledge he hasn't really beaten anyone to legitmate and top of all that I've read he's suspected of taking Steroids.

Why don't you open your eyes and think about it for once, your basing your whole argument on the fact that Rocky's 5'10 and valuevs' 7'

Rocky hits harder then Valuev=Fact

All I know is that Don King said that he was improving greatly and would have a real good chance of becoming undisputed champion. I will say no more.
Later brother brologs. P.S Don King wouldn't lie would he :confused:

All I know is that Don King said that he was improving greatly and would have a real good chance of becoming undisputed champion. I will say no more.
Later brother brologs. P.S Don King wouldn't lie would he :confused:
Don King wouldn't know, Nikolay Valuev getting better? that doesn't mean he could beat Marciano.

WTF?!
Its not like I'm hugging Marciano's nuts because I got the guy who hates Marciano (more or less) to agree with me. When Butterfly1964 says Rocky Marciano's got the advantage over someone thats most likely because he does.

Valuev has no skill whats so ever, no power, and he's supposed to beat Marciano?

Come on think before you speak..You haven't even supplied any reason's valuev would win. Why because he's 7 feet tall?

The only reasons you've given is because he's 7 feet tall and has punching power.

True he's 7 feet tall but size doesn't make the boxer, just because somebody's tall doesn't mean he's good.

Punching Power? No he doesn't, he's knocked out a few bums- to the best of my knowledge he hasn't really beaten anyone to legitmate and top of all that I've read he's suspected of taking Steroids.

Why don't you open your eyes and think about it for once, your basing your whole argument on the fact that Rocky's 5'10 and valuevs' 7'

Rocky hits harder then Valuev=Fact

I don't hate him, but I do have common sense to know that Valuev wouldn't last more than 8 rounds with any top 20 hw.

I don't hate him, but I do have common sense to know that Valuev wouldn't last more than 8 rounds with any top 20 hw.
Well I was trying to compliment you but all the same. Nikolay Valuev is just really tall, thats it, if he was 6'1 he'd probably be even more of a bum with a negative record.

Marciano would kill that clown. Literally.

I don't hate him, but I do have common sense to know that Valuev wouldn't last more than 8 rounds with any top 20 hw.Your logic has failed you completly, you are forgetting about Larry Donald and John Ruiz! Lets see now.....Ruiz is the man that soundly defeated Rahman. "Wouldn't last more than 8 rounds with any top 20 heavyweight"......it appears that you have just been, what is the expression?..oh yes now I remember...YOU HAVE JUST BEEN 100% OWNED!!! :buttkick:
Word out Brother Brologs, word out!!!

Your logic has failed you completly, you are forgetting about Larry Donald and John Ruiz! Lets see now.....Ruiz is the man that soundly defeated Rahman. "Wouldn't last more than 8 rounds with any top 20 heavyweight"......it appears that you have just been, what is the expression?..oh yes now I remember...YOU HAVE JUST BEEN 100% OWNED!!! :buttkick:
Word out Brother Brologs, word out!!!

I meant any top 20 heavyweight of all-time. :rolleyes:

Is Ruiz a natrual LightHeavyweight or Middleweight - btw this isn't a statement more of a question because I maybe confusing him with somebody else.

lol

its an insult to the memory of the rock to even suggest he wouldnt beat valuev

i cant believe anybody would think this.......
ok rockys style may have been crude....but it was effective.....and he was probobly the toughest man ever to step into the ring........he would just shrug of whatever ever valuev threw at him........which wouldnt be much anyway.......he would have a hard time hitting a smaller man like rock

rocky would destroy valuev.........utterly destroy him

Are you feeling ok? Saying Valuev will beat rocky is just crazy. Marciano KO in 5.

Are you feeling ok? Saying Valuev will beat rocky is just crazy. Marciano KO in 5.

im guessing thats 5 mins :)
and not rounds

im guessing thats 5 mins
and not rounds

LOL. Maybe. But i think the rock will make his torture longer becuase people even dare to think valuev is better than him.

LOL. Maybe. But i think the rock will make his torture longer becuase people even dare to think valuev is better than him.
indeed.........he may as well put on a show for the fans.

valuev to beat the rock lol

not in a million yeras

LOL. Maybe. But i think the rock will make his torture longer becuase people even dare to think valuev is better than him.

That's not like rocky. Carrying a fighter is more like something Ali would do, like what he did to Patterson and Terrell.

That's not like rocky. Carrying a fighter is more like something Ali would do, like what he did to Patterson and Terrell.
Yes
"Why dance with somebody for 15 rounds when you can Knock them out in 1"
he used to say.

Rocky wouldn't be able to work Valuevs body because he would be to far away. I mean Valuev is 7 feet tall with a humungous reach! I'm telling you, it would be a complete mismatch. You know, lots of times we like to look back at the past and think that these were the golden times of boxing, but they really were not. You see what it was, was a lot of gutzy guys with somewhat limited skill, going at it. Most of these guys like Rocky would be competive in todays Cruiserweight division, but alas would be totally out of there depth in the Heavyweight division of todays world.
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That's not like rocky. Carrying a fighter is more like something Ali would do, like what he did to Patterson and Terrell.
I love watching that fight. It was so painfully one-sided.

Rocky wouldn't be able to work Valuevs body because he would be to far away. I mean Valuev is 7 feet tall with a humungous reach! I'm telling you, it would be a complete mismatch. You know, lots of times we like to look back at the past and think that these were the golden times of boxing, but they really were not. You see what it was, was a lot of gutzy guys with somewhat limited skill, going at it. Most of these guys like Rocky would be competive in todays Cruiserweight division, but alas would be totally out of there depth in the Heavyweight division of todays world.
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to far away? lol

if the rock would have seen the size of valuev he would have thought it was christmas with a target that big.......

Valuev will win, and I tell you why. The guy is a hard puncher,/

When the bell rings, All Valuev needs to do is LAND one Uppercut on the Rock's chin. It will be SO POWERFUL, that Valuev will knockout the Rock in the first round with the first punch. The effect of the punch will knock the Rock's head off and into press roll. I know Gory, but thats will happen. Valuev looks like Ivan Drago, So I think he IS Ivan Drago. So he MUST have the Russian punching power.

But than again Marciano's name happens to Be Rocky, so you never know what will happen. But I going with Valuev by DEATH, in the first round, when he lands the first punch.

ala Creed Style in the ring. Other Drago Creed fight this is, yes sir re.

:mad: to far away? lol

if the rock would have seen the size of valuev he would have thought it was christmas with a target that big...........That is a nice little story young man, unfortunatly though it is a fictional story. Here is a non-fiction story......"if the rock would have witnessed the size of the behemouth called Valuev, he would have shit in his pants at once!" :mad: Logic has spoken.
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Rocky would just bang away at that body until Valuev dropped. Valuev has a reasonable jab, but outside of that, he's very ordinary. he basically just has size with limited skills, Marciano was a fine tuned fighting machine. it would be a huge mismatch in terms of size and weight, but even still, i can't see Valuev winning it.

:mad: ....That is a nice little story young man, unfortunatly though it is a fictional story. Here is a non-fiction story......"if the rock would have witnessed the size of the behemouth called Valuev, he would have shit in his pants at once!" :mad: Logic has spoken.
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lol


think about what you are saying............. :boxing:

rocky would easily win..........anyway whatever if it makes you happy to think that carry on...........*shrugs*

:mad: ....That is a nice little story young man, unfortunatly though it is a fictional story. Here is a non-fiction story......"if the rock would have witnessed the size of the behemouth called Valuev, he would have shit in his pants at once!" :mad: Logic has spoken.
Later brother brologs.Tony, Marciano is a legendary fighter, who proved he was a warrior with a huge amount of heart and willpower, and had power in those hands, he is a legend and righly so, Valuev is not even good by todays standards, he was beat by an aging Larry Donald, and Larry was only ever a good/decent heavyweight.

exactly how is valuevsupposed to keep up the pace off marciano?

The thing is that Valuev is improving all the time(just ask Don King). Valuev improving all the time,...... now that is a scary thought to all the Heavyweights out there! :eek:
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The thing is that Valuev is improving all the time(just ask Don King). Valuev improving all the time,...... now that is a scary thought to all the Heavyweights out there! :eek:
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even if he improved 100 times over the rock would still beat him up

The thing is that Valuev is improving all the time(just ask Don King). Valuev improving all the time,...... now that is a scary thought to all the Heavyweights out there! :eek:
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Well if he's still improving and not prime than what chance can he possibley have against the Rock...

http://www.boxnews.com.ua/photos/293/NikolayValuevEtienne6.jpg
He's not in the greatest shape especially for his size, but he's probably one of today's better heavyweights unfortunatley :rolleyes:

Well if he's still improving and not prime than what chance can he possibley have against the Rock...

http://www.boxnews.com.ua/photos/293/NikolayValuevEtienne6.jpg
He's not in the greatest shape especially for his size, but he's probably one of today's better heavyweights unfortunatley :rolleyes:Yes, he would administer a sound beating to the Rock even at this stage of his carrer! As he improves, he will be able to defeat Vladimere and the like(that is if he can't defeat the other current heavywieght champs already). You see, Vlademere would be a harder opponent for Valuev than the sub200 pound Rocky. You see, there is no fighter at less than 200 pounds that could ever defeat the likes of Lewis, Holyfield, Vitaly,Valuev ect. The thing is that if you look back at all the fighters that have held a true version of the title, only Roy Jones I believe has been less than 200 pounds. You can go back so many years from 2006, and it will be many, many years till you find a fighter holding the belt at less than 200 pounds. Like I have already stated, sub200 pound fighters can not compete with todays Heavyweight Champions. Logic has spoken.
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Yes, he would administer a sound beating to the Rock even at this stage of his carrer! As he improves, he will be able to defeat Vladimere and the like(that is if he can't defeat the other current heavywieght champs already). You see, Vlademere would be a harder opponent for Valuev than the sub200 pound Rocky. You see, there is no fighter at less than 200 pounds that could ever defeat the likes of Lewis, Holyfield, Vitaly,Valuev ect. The thing is that if you look back at all the fighters that have held a true version of the title, only Roy Jones I believe has been less than 200 pounds. You can go back so many years from 2006, and it will be many, many years till you find a fighter holding the belt at less than 200 pounds. Like I have already stated, sub200 pound fighters can not compete with todays Heavyweight Champions. Logic has spoken.
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Funny Marciano could beat all of them, I mean Valuev, Vitali and Holyfeild -Marciano could beat

Lewis may give Marciano some trouble but I'm confident that He'd pull through.. If you don't think Marciano could beat Valuev or any of today's heavyweights for that matter its you being biased...most of today's heavyweights are natrually lighter then Marciano, James Toney,Roy Jones Jr. to name 2. Those guys are natrually lighter then Marciano. Valuev is just tall, what else does he have.

Marciano's got Power, Ring smarts, Heart, Stamina, probably a better chin..

So yea Marciano will get hit once and Valuev will get hit 3 times twice as hard...Give me a break...

:mad: Funny Marciano could beat all of them, I mean Valuev, Vitali and Holyfeild -Marciano could beat

Lewis may give Marciano some trouble but I'm confident that He'd pull through.. If you don't think Marciano could beat Valuev or any of today's heavyweights for that matter its you being biased...most of today's heavyweights are natrually lighter then Marciano, James Toney,Roy Jones Jr. to name 2. Those guys are natrually lighter then Marciano. Valuev is just tall, what else does he have.

Marciano's got Power, Ring smarts, Heart, Stamina, probably a better chin..

So yea Marciano will get hit once and Valuev will get hit 3 times twice as hard...Give me a break...Now wait just a minute there young man.."most of todays heavyweights are naturally lighter than Marciano, James Toney, Roy Jones Jr. to name 2".....Most of todays Heavyweights are naturally a lot BIGGER than Marciano, Roy Jones and James Toney are the EXCEPTION to the rule! Actualy, those 2 are the exception in a list of thousands and thousands of other heavyweights! Logic has been voiced.
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the rock would beat any h/w fighting today

the end

the rock would beat any h/w fighting today

the end

Yeah, probably.

Yeah, probably.
for sure m8...........

i think he would easily become undisputed champ .
like him or loathe him he was good........todays h/w are just patetic

for sure m8...........

i think he would easily become undisputed champ .
like him or loathe him he was good........todays h/w are just patetic
IN fact I've said this in a few threads before but if Tyson were to come back with only the drive he had in the 80's he could probably be the Undisputed Champ...The reason I say Tyson is because he's the only decent Heavyweight who's probably "young" enough to make a comeback, Holyfeild,Lewis I can't see these guys coming back successfully.

Maybe V.Klitchko?

Come on guys, There is NO Way Valuev will walk out of this fight with out being KO lol.

I think the Rock ends it in round 5, and I GIVING Valuev SOME lean way.

Come on guys, There is NO Way Valuev will walk out of this fight with out being KO lol.

I think the Rock ends it in round 5, and I GIVING Valuev SOME lean way.Thats not what you said before! :mad: You said that the Rock would be decapitated(which he was in the plane crash), by the uppercut from Valuev! :eek: You said it would be victory by death! Do you have psychological problems young man? :confused:
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Easy there TNT. If Valuev had some speed and reflexes, you might have a point. But the giant has a big body:Marciano's deadly body work. His punches were too slow and not even as powerfull for his size: Marciano's ability to get inside, and Marciano's granite chin.

And of yeah, Marciano might even be smaller than those other scared to shitless little guys Valuev pushed around.

Marciano would NOT be afraid, and he wouldn't be discouraged if he got hit. His determination would overwhelm Valuev.

And of yeah, Marciano might even be smaller than those other scared to shitless little guys Valuev pushed around.

Marciano would NOT be afraid, and he wouldn't be discouraged if he got hit. His determination would overwhelm Valuev.
indeed...............the rock was the toughest guy ever to step in the ring...........

fearless

Look its time to face reality guys, if you sent the Rock to do battle with Valuev you would effectivly be sending him on a suicide mission. Listen to me god damnit!....He is 7 feet tall, he weighs well over 300 pounds of solid muscle! Now compare the Rock....Five feet ten inches tall, 185 pounds...do the math guys! The Rock has tremendous determination and courage, and I for one would never try to state otherwise! But come on....determination and courage can only take you so far! I mean Rocky is one tough son of a bitch no doubt about it, but Valuevs toughness is in another league alltogether......just look at the guys head! Rocky could hit him a bunch of times with some of his best shots and Valuev would take them with no effect what so ever!
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Who cares about Valuevs size - he can't fight! Marciano used a 300 lbs heavybag and easily moved that around with his punch. Valuev is just a human heavybag, slow and weak punching.

Who cares about Valuevs size - he can't fight! Marciano used a 300 lbs heavybag and easily moved that around with his punch. Valuev is just a human heavybag, slow and weak punching.Oh I see.....so he can't fight a? Did you not see what he did to Cliford Etienne! :rolleyes: Do you know that after stepping into the ring with Valuev he was never the same again! The reason Cliford did what he did was because Valuev hit him with such force that he caused permanent brain damage to occur! I think all fighters should think twice before getting into the ring with Valuev! Everybody thought that Owen Beck would defeat Valuev......man were they wrong! Owen Beck is a world rated fighter, and Valuev battered him around the ring like he was nothing! Valuev is 44wins and no losses...and you think he can't fight! :smashfrea What more can I say :banghead:
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Oh I see.....so he can't fight a? Did you not see what he did to Cliford Etienne! :rolleyes: Do you know that after stepping into the ring with Valuev he was never the same again! The reason Cliford did what he did was because Valuev hit him with such force that he caused permanent brain damage to occur! I think all fighters should think twice before getting into the ring with Valuev! Everybody thought that Owen Beck would defeat Valuev......man were they wrong! Owen Beck is a world rated fighter, and Valuev battered him around the ring like he was nothing! Valuev is 44wins and no losses...and you think he can't fight! :smashfrea What more can I say :banghead:
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Clifford Etennie was 29-4 which is less then great, from what I can see he also hasn't fought anyone thats any good. The only person he fought was Mike Tyson who KO'd him in one round, it wasn't even prime Tyson it was washed up Tyson, only 2 fights before his last... Nikolay Valuev also hasn't really fought that many big names, Larry Donald and John Ruiz are probably the only two names that are relatively big, and even so they must have done pretty good against him to have only lost by a small margin. I say small Margin because it was an MD no a UD which means they must have done decent to have gotten one judges vote.

I think Wlad Klitchko would beat him, but even so today's heavyweights don't completely suck but they aren't what they used to be. Most of today's heavyweights don't have good training, Healthy eating, with many supplements. I'm gunna see if I can name some more current fighters rather then older fighters-

Nobody now trains like Holyfeild
Nobody eats or trains like Tyson did


I think Wlad Klitchko stands a rather good chance at beating him because IMO- Wlad is stronger, and has more boxing skill. Wlad also is as close to Valuev you can get to in height, and reach (more orless).

Nikolay Valuev
Height: 7'0
Weight: 320 3/4 lbs (as of last fight)
Reach: 85'
Record: 44-0-0 (32 KO's)

Wladimir Klitschko
Height: 6'6
Weight: 241 lbs (as of last fight)
Reach: 81'
Record: 46-3-0 (41 KO's)


only 4' difference in reach and only a 6' difference in height. 79 3/4 lb difference in weight (as of last fight). Wlad also has more expierence with 5 more fights and has also fought more top contenders. Such as Chris Byrd and Samuel Peters etc...

I'm not saying Klitchko indefinitely will win but I think he's got what it takes.

Oh I see.....so he can't fight a? Did you not see what he did to Cliford Etienne! :rolleyes: Do you know that after stepping into the ring with Valuev he was never the same again! The reason Cliford did what he did was because Valuev hit him with such force that he caused permanent brain damage to occur! I think all fighters should think twice before getting into the ring with Valuev! Everybody thought that Owen Beck would defeat Valuev......man were they wrong! Owen Beck is a world rated fighter, and Valuev battered him around the ring like he was nothing! Valuev is 44wins and no losses...and you think he can't fight! :smashfrea What more can I say :banghead:
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Oh god. Where do they breed these children??

Mr. Tucker here watches a Valuev fight, against C- competition and thinks he is invincible.

I'll say two things about Valuev:

1. He is big.

2. He is hairy, and ugly.

Marciano would beat down Valuev, batter his body before stopping him in the 8th. Valuev's size would get him that far. If he was smaller, he would be out in the first.

Wlad would destroy Valuev. But it's not like that fight would happen anyway because they will be keeping Valuev away from danger and only let him fight less than able opponents.

Clifford Etennie was 29-4 which is less then great, from what I can see he also hasn't fought anyone thats any good. The only person he fought was Mike Tyson who KO'd him in one round, it wasn't even prime Tyson it was washed up Tyson, only 2 fights before his last... Nikolay Valuev also hasn't really fought that many big names, Larry Donald and John Ruiz are probably the only two names that are relatively big, and even so they must have done pretty good against him to have only lost by a small margin. I say small Margin because it was an MD no a UD which means they must have done decent to have gotten one judges vote.

I think Wlad Klitchko would beat him, but even so today's heavyweights don't completely suck but they aren't what they used to be. Most of today's heavyweights don't have good training, Healthy eating, with many supplements. I'm gunna see if I can name some more current fighters rather then older fighters-

Nobody now trains like Holyfeild
Nobody eats or trains like Tyson did


I think Wlad Klitchko stands a rather good chance at beating him because IMO- Wlad is stronger, and has more boxing skill. Wlad also is as close to Valuev you can get to in height, and reach (more orless).

Nikolay Valuev
Height: 7'0
Weight: 320 3/4 lbs (as of last fight)
Reach: 85'
Record: 44-0-0 (32 KO's)

Wladimir Klitschko
Height: 6'6
Weight: 241 lbs (as of last fight)
Reach: 81'
Record: 46-3-0 (41 KO's)


only 4' difference in reach and only a 6' difference in height. 79 3/4 lb difference in weight (as of last fight). Wlad also has more expierence with 5 more fights and has also fought more top contenders. Such as Chris Byrd and Samuel Peters etc...

I'm not saying Klitchko indefinitely will win but I think he's got what it takes.Yes, there was a lot of controversy about the Ruiz and Larry Donald fights I must admit.I do think that Clifords victory over Claybay was impresive however. Now the fight that I would really like to see would be Samuel Peter and Valuev. It would make for a great fight! If Valuev can defeat Peter(and I am confident that he would), then one would hope it would finally put an end to all this uncalled for negative and downright insulting comments being directed his way!.....but then again maybe that would be to much to ask!
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Wlad would destroy Valuev. But it's not like that fight would happen anyway because they will be keeping Valuev away from danger and only let him fight less than able opponents.
Somethings got to give-
Wlad is the number 2 contender and also has more belts then Valuev, and Since Valuev is the number 1 contender/WBA Champ not only is he going to try to beat Wlad for the IBF and IBO belts but if he doesn't face Wlad won't that mean he can be stipped of his WBA Belt?

Regardless, at one point or another Wlad and Nikolay will meet, unless of course one of them retires but I haven't heard anything to that effect so...

You can always try to run but you can't not fight top contenders, I mean Patterson didn't want to fight Liston (and by patterson I mean his managers and trainers) but eventually they met so...

If Wlad does fight Nikolay it won't before at least a year because he's already Schdelued to fight Shannon Briggs on my birthday (11-11-2006), of course Brigg's is only a #5 contender, you'd think he'd be wanting to challenge the #1 but regardless if Wlad beats Brigg's he'll pick up USBA Heavyweight Title, WBO NABO Heavyweight Title, NABA Heavyweight Title...

All these belts I wish they'd make it less complicated, I liked the one undisputed belt, and three belts I could understand and live with but there's like 6 of them, and they're from different organazations, it'd be one thing if they were from different countries and they all made up the world heavyweight belt but come on....

Tale of the Tape

Fight Schedelued for November 11th 2006

Wladimir Klitschko
Age-30
Height-6'6
Weight-241 (as of last fight)
Reach- 81'
Record- 46-3-0 (41 ko's) Total 49
Style-Orthodox
Belts-IBF and IBO

Shannon Briggs
Age- 34
Height-6'4
Weight-273 (as of last fight)
Reach-80'
Record- 47-4-1 (41 KO's) Total 52
Style- Orthodox
Belts-USBA, WBO NABO, NABA

Briggs gives up 2 inches in height

Briggs gives up 1inch in reach

Briggs gives up 4 years in age (Briggs is 4 years older)

Klichko gives up 32 lbs (as of last fight weight, will vary come fight day)

Briggs has also had more fights...