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Kzoohoskens
06-03-2006, 03:49 PM
besides me, who is da biggest gangsta in boxing?

Born to Win
06-03-2006, 03:50 PM
besides me, who is da biggest gangsta in boxing?
What exactly do you mean by that? Streetfighter, murderer ... ??

Kzoohoskens
06-03-2006, 03:58 PM
no, a G A N G S T A

robber, organised killer, thug life motha****a.

Kzoohoskens
06-03-2006, 03:58 PM
and it aint no whiteboy neitha.

Brockton Lip
06-03-2006, 04:05 PM
The Klit brothers, Ricky Hatton, or De La Hoya. Mayorga

Verstyle
06-03-2006, 04:08 PM
The Klit brothers, Ricky Hatton, or De La Hoya. Mayorga


no no no its kostya tsuyza. look at that gangsta face http://cars.grandprix.com.au/var/agpc_cars/storage/images-versioned/18064/1-eng-AU/kostya_tszyu_ready_for_the_bmw_celebrity_challenge 1.jpg

Yogi
06-03-2006, 05:50 PM
besides me, who is da biggest gangsta in boxing?

Don Jordan, who was a former welterweight champion from the late 1950's...

I think anybody who has read Jordan's story in Peter Heller's 'In This Corner' would be inclined to agree.

Verstyle
06-03-2006, 05:51 PM
Don Jordan, who was a former welterweight champion from the late 1950's...

I think anybody who has read Jordan's story in Peter Heller's 'In This Corner' would be inclined to agree.


naw it was kostya

Rockin'
06-03-2006, 06:08 PM
Don Jordan, who was a former welterweight champion from the late 1950's...

I think anybody who has read Jordan's story in Peter Heller's 'In This Corner' would be inclined to agree.

I read Jordans story but it was said to have been "made up".

The biggest gangsta that got press would be Frankie Carbo and Blinky Palermo. The headed the now defunct IBC and had contol of things at every major venue in the country for a time. They were exposed aswell as there double dealing and under handed tactics.

Gotta say though, that boxing thrived during their control of the game. Maybe they were doing something right?

Rockin' :boxing:

Bonafide
06-03-2006, 06:13 PM
besides me, who is da biggest gangsta in boxing?


Judah is a wannabee gangsta

Stevis2002
06-03-2006, 06:13 PM
The bigest gangster in boxing HAS to be Don King :)

Da Iceman
06-03-2006, 06:16 PM
i heard james toney used to rob folks :cool:

DANGER13
06-03-2006, 08:03 PM
fernando vargas, he ran with tha OXNARD LA COLONIA CHIQUES13 Gang. a deadly, and 1,000 deep gang. they were so out of hand, they were sued (gang injuction)recentlly. i duno if any of u noticed, but he has LA COLONIA on his trunks usually. he was never put on, but probably would have had it not been 4 boxing.
also javie mora, hes a sureno as u can tell by tha "13" tatted on his chest. DIEGO corrales ran with a gang, i heard he claimed 14 tho

Built 2 Last
06-03-2006, 08:10 PM
on the real

migual angel cotto
sonny liston when he was alive
bernard hopkins

RockyMarcianofan00
06-03-2006, 10:46 PM
Don Jordan, who was a former welterweight champion from the late 1950's...

I think anybody who has read Jordan's story in Peter Heller's 'In This Corner' would be inclined to agree.
I don't know anything about Peter Hellens but 1950's your probably think of Gangster ie-Italians,Tommy guns,Al capone all this happened between 1920's - early 1970's

he's talking Gangsta
ie-3rd generation Minority families- all this happened early 1980's-Present

RockyMarcianofan00
06-03-2006, 10:48 PM
on the real

migual angel cotto
sonny liston when he was alive
bernard hopkins

thats more Gangster

Smashing
06-04-2006, 08:46 AM
kray twins..

Da Iceman
06-04-2006, 09:43 AM
who's the beiggest gangster on boxing scene?
manny p :cool:

Geodudepokemon
06-04-2006, 12:33 PM
Tyson and Liston have both robbed people. But the real biggest gangster is probably some undheard of guy who murdered people (there's probably quite a few).

chris_cov
06-04-2006, 02:01 PM
i dont know if he was a gangsta but rocky marciano was verry close with the mafia top man.

RockyMarcianofan00
06-04-2006, 03:25 PM
i dont know if he was a gangsta but rocky marciano was verry close with the mafia top man.
Are you kidding me!!!!

Rocky Marciano and the entire Marchegiano Family (his name before he changed it) was not linked to the mob in anyway,
Old Italian familys had a saying that was not bring shame to the family (which is one of the reasons rocky drove himself not lose), they never had connections to the mob because they found the mob to be an embarassment to Italians and ultimately their family. One thing nobody ever wanted to do was to bring shame to their family

Your wrong Marciano was in no way close to any Mafia/Mob

chris_cov
06-04-2006, 03:37 PM
Are you kidding me!!!!

Rocky Marciano and the entire Marchegiano Family (his name before he changed it) was not linked to the mob in anyway,
Old Italian familys had a saying that was not bring shame to the family (which is one of the reasons rocky drove himself not lose), they never had connections to the mob because they found the mob to be an embarassment to Italians and ultimately their family. One thing nobody ever wanted to do was to bring shame to their family

Your wrong Marciano was in no way close to any Mafia/Mob


geez geeza chill out. . . lol gettin all excited about it and that. just kiddin. i said it cuz thats what i read in nutz or zoo magazine a few weeks ago probly bull**** i duno.

Yogi
06-04-2006, 03:45 PM
geez geeza chill out. . . lol gettin all excited about it and that. just kiddin. i said it cuz thats what i read in nutz or zoo magazine a few weeks ago probly bull**** i duno.

Well based on some of the writings of Everett Skeehan (Marciano's biographer), which includes some quotes from Rocky's younger brother, Sonny, Rocky was in fact "friends" with the likes of Frankie Carbo.

SABBATH
06-04-2006, 03:53 PM
Are you kidding me!!!!

Rocky Marciano and the entire Marchegiano Family (his name before he changed it) was not linked to the mob in anyway,
Old Italian familys had a saying that was not bring shame to the family (which is one of the reasons rocky drove himself not lose), they never had connections to the mob because they found the mob to be an embarassment to Italians and ultimately their family. One thing nobody ever wanted to do was to bring shame to their family

Your wrong Marciano was in no way close to any Mafia/MobNo, you're wrong. Marciano had mafia connections and associated with members of the mafia after his career was over. His ties however didn't factor into his ring career.

One example was Marciano visiting Mafia kingpin Vito Genovese when he was dying in prison. Marciano found the Mafia lifestyle exciting.

Marciano used to hang with Mafiosa member Frankie Fratto described as " a syndicate terrorist " who was a suspect in two murders and had a lengthy criminal record.

paul750
06-04-2006, 04:10 PM
and it aint no whiteboy neitha.How about ''whiteboys'' like these.
http://www.fightauthority.com/fighters/lennyMcLean.gifhttp://www.royprettyboyshaw.com/html/images/roy3.jpg

chris_cov
06-04-2006, 05:11 PM
marciano fan dont mean to take the piss but it seems people r dissagreeing with you.

chris_cov
06-04-2006, 05:13 PM
[QUOTE=paul750]How about ''whiteboys'' like these.
http://www.fightauthority.com/fighters/lennyMcLean.gif

the guvnor he was a ****ing monster and i would say he was probly the biggest gangsta in boxing although he neva went pro.

SABBATH
06-04-2006, 05:15 PM
marciano fan dont mean to take the piss but it seems people r dissagreeing with you.
Allegedly Marciano was offered $2 million by the mafia to lose to Don ****ell who was a 10-1 underdog...

RockyMarcianofan00
06-04-2006, 05:15 PM
marciano fan dont mean to take the piss but it seems people r dissagreeing with you.
eh people don't bother me that much especially internet people
I'll admit I don't know everything but I'd like to believe I do :D

Controdicting my previous post the most gangster person and ultimately the most gangsta person (because its based of ganster) is

http://www.historyplace.com/specials/calendar/docs-pix/capone.jpg
The orginal
Al Capone
but he's not a boxer so :(

Crumble
06-04-2006, 05:23 PM
kray twins..

they don't count, and Ronnie was a horrible boxer from waht I have read. What was he like 4-2 or something, that dude had no discipline lol, I think he got disqualified or something, Reggie didnt box for long either.

Roy Shaw had a pro boxing record 10-0 (6 KO's).

Frazier's 15th round
06-04-2006, 06:37 PM
Chris Byrd

Dempsey 1919
06-04-2006, 08:52 PM
Two words, Sonny Liston.

chris_cov
06-05-2006, 03:53 AM
[QUOTE=RockyMarcianofan00]eh people don't bother me that much especially internet people
I'll admit I don't know everything but I'd like to believe I do :D

Controdicting my previous post the most gangster person and ultimately the most gangsta person (because its based of ganster) is

its all gud brother im the same with fighters aswell i feel like a fool though when people prove me wrong lol.

cobracore
06-05-2006, 04:52 AM
Valuev, evidently. Even if he isn't, he still is.

Smashing
06-05-2006, 05:01 AM
The Krays might not have been good boxers, but they were they biggest gangsters in the sense of murdering,beatings,protection rackets being feared in the street.

chris_cov
06-05-2006, 08:50 AM
Valuev, evidently. Even if he isn't, he still is.

hahaha i agree with this guy.

paul750
06-05-2006, 10:41 AM
Wasn't one of the Krays meant to have been a very good boxer? I read he could have been good enough to have been European champ if he took it seriously.

rocco1252
06-05-2006, 03:35 PM
Wasn't one of the Krays meant to have been a very good boxer? I read he could have been good enough to have been European champ if he took it seriously.
EUROPEAN CHAMP IS RIGHT I MEAN LOOK AT THEIR CHAMPIONS AND FIGHTERS, NOT EXACTLY GOOD. NOW WONDER WHY THEY SAID HE COULD HAVE BEEN EUROPEAN CHAMP.

Crumble
06-05-2006, 05:22 PM
Wasn't one of the Krays meant to have been a very good boxer? I read he could have been good enough to have been European champ if he took it seriously.

Yeah Reggie was mean't to be quite good. Who knows really?, Im sure if he was still pro while he owned London, then I think he'd have won a world title, who in their right mind would try and embarrass him infront of all those people??

K-DOGG
06-05-2006, 05:38 PM
Probably Primo Carnera. He had all of Sicily behind him. :D

Bonafide
06-05-2006, 06:05 PM
DON KING is a Gangsta. He must have some serious Mob ties.

K-DOGG
06-05-2006, 06:18 PM
DON KING is a Gangsta. He must have some serious Mob ties.

Yup...in Cleveland of all places.

ROSEWOOD
06-06-2006, 02:00 PM
besides me, who is da biggest gangsta in boxing?
lol...you sure dont look gangsta to me playa...but hey, I would have to say Zab...grilled out 24/7.....

Merly Moreira
06-06-2006, 08:28 PM
You look real gangsta with that gay ass wallpaper in the backround.

Verstyle
06-06-2006, 08:39 PM
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/image.php?u=43658&dateline=1147148399 i heard this dude had numerious ties to gang lords. and very though in the ring.legend has it that no1 could handle his defense or speed so in order for ppl te fight him he had to get the gang lords to do it. true story.

Hydro
02-02-2007, 05:51 PM
The one and only Don King

Chipper
02-03-2007, 09:45 AM
Mayorga is a criminal

Dempsey 1919
02-03-2007, 01:10 PM
Like I said, Sonny Liston.

adietheforestfa
02-05-2007, 06:10 PM
Two words, Sonny Liston.

Two more words. Ronnie, Reggie.

Ladyrebelsoul
02-05-2007, 08:20 PM
dont forget about sonny liston before ali dethroned him

Jim_Davis
02-05-2007, 08:24 PM
Reggie Kray. http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=76838

Undefeated champ

Darkstar
02-05-2007, 08:54 PM
Biggest gangster is Sonny Liston. A young Mike Tyson was a gangsta. But really the most crazy **** goes on in these 3rd world places. They hardly even have police. Ricardo Mayorga is a straight up criminal.

PS. Zab is a joke.

Jim_Davis
02-06-2007, 10:43 AM
Sonny Liston was the ***** of gangster's. Don't ever mix that up.

Welter_Skelter
02-06-2007, 10:47 AM
there are NO "ganstas" in BOXING.. people who sleep in silk PJ's and have MILLIONS are NOT "ganstas" No matter how much HIP HOP they listen to..
No matter how much they pretend to be..

In fact Most "gangstas" are NOT "gangstas"

commerical sucsess insures that...

Hydro
02-06-2007, 12:39 PM
James Scott, Don King, Blinky Palermo,


All Time #1: Frankie Carbo

Machine Gunz
02-21-2007, 09:59 PM
the biggest gangster was Sonny Liston

eazy_mas
02-21-2007, 10:39 PM
present tense id Manny Pacquioa he has so many illegal business in phillipines from what i hear from **** fight to underground gambling and now running for president

Sin City
02-21-2007, 10:39 PM
this thread is kind of retarded don't you think?

RAESAAD
02-21-2007, 10:45 PM
besides me, who is da biggest gangsta in boxing?

Sonny Liston was.......

Nacho_Analstain
02-21-2007, 10:45 PM
if you are a pro boxer raking in the money like most do,you wouldnt even dream of being a "gangsta"

unless of course ur ricardo mayorga

Sin City
02-21-2007, 11:14 PM
biggest gangstas in the sport are the promoters ****ing up the game and HBO

Sin City
02-21-2007, 11:14 PM
and the ABC organisations

realheavyhands
02-21-2007, 11:15 PM
Biggest gangster is Sonny Liston. A young Mike Tyson was a gangsta. But really the most crazy **** goes on in these 3rd world places. They hardly even have police. Ricardo Mayorga is a straight up criminal.

PS. Zab is a joke.

WHEN TYSON WAS A CHAMPION ... HIS NUT ASS MOVERD BACK TO BROOKLYN AND WAS ROBBING PEOPLE

HANDZ
02-21-2007, 11:56 PM
no, a G A N G S T A

robber, organised killer, thug life motha****a.

It most deff aint you,but i would say your idea of a gangsta is nothing you know about.

Verstyle
02-22-2007, 12:24 AM
larry merchant:tapedshut

Dempsey 1919
02-22-2007, 12:28 AM
larry merchant:tapedshut

:lol1:........

brownpimp88
02-22-2007, 01:08 AM
sonny liston obviously, no one wanted to **** with him.

Dempsey 1919
02-22-2007, 01:17 AM
sonny liston obviously, no one wanted to **** with him.

:fing02:...

brownpimp88
02-22-2007, 01:19 AM
:fing02:...

i apoligize butterfly, i saw more of liston in action, how could i doubt this man. Shame on me, hes a ****in killer.

Dempsey 1919
02-22-2007, 01:25 AM
i apoligize butterfly, i saw more of liston in action, how could i doubt this man. Shame on me, hes a ****in killer.

Most people eventually realize that Liston was better than most people think. In his prime he would have a good chance against any heavywight ever, including Ali.

NYCHeavyHitz
02-22-2007, 03:27 AM
Most people eventually realize that Liston was better than most people think. In his prime he would have a good chance against any heavywight ever, including Ali.

Not familiar wit Liston, but wasn't Foreman robbin cats back when he was a teen?

But hands down, Mayorga is the most gangsta fighter I've ever seen in my life. I've never seen a guy take so many hits and still look regular. That shows he been through some ****.

NYCHeavyHitz
02-22-2007, 03:38 AM
Oh, and that guy Ike Ibeabuchi. I heard he got a life sentence or something. That's all I gotta know for me to say he gangsta, lol.

SnoopySmurf
02-22-2007, 08:56 AM
besides me, who is da biggest gangsta in boxing?

Gangsta, as in small time street thug and not the Mafia controlled fighter?

Mitch Green. He was a gang leader....might still be. He has about 75 to 100 members, from what I've read about him.

kayjay
02-22-2007, 09:18 AM
The one and only Don King

Hydro why are you bumping old Hoskins threads?? This is funny ****. He doesn't act like that anymore.


Hoskins I'm more gangsta than you are. I don't have a backyard.

Big Papi
02-22-2007, 10:49 AM
you have to go with iron mike... i mean come on, he's got the drug charges, rape charges, and he even has the crazy aspect down (the whole biting the ear off thing). with those two offenses with the law has has, he is that close to drug trafficking and prostitution, so if he is not the most gangsta, then he definitely has the potential. and to top it all off, whenever he went into the ring he was on the verge of murder.

DudeManGuy216
02-22-2007, 12:10 PM
jake lamotta deserves a mention
http://www.antekprizering.com/lamottajakesuitpa.jpeg

bobweaver
02-22-2007, 08:25 PM
James "The Harlem Hammer" Butler and that is all.

American_Ninja
02-22-2007, 10:28 PM
DON KING end of story...........

Benny Leonard
02-23-2007, 08:10 AM
Jack Johnson.


You know what, I take that back. "Gangstas" are ******* that need guns and other people around them to beat up on poor old women.

Jack Johnson was not this. No, he had BALLS, big Mother ****ing Balls. His dick and balls were so big that White Women loved to suck it.

He ****ed and paraded around with White Women. Most likely your wife or Mother.

No bodyguards, just himself in a time when they hung you if you were black, let alone running around acting like you were God, ****in white women, had money, etc.

He fought White Fighters and laughed during the fights.


I am Black, and I am Proud

http://www.nccu.edu/campus/echo/archive7-0405/c-jackjohnson.jpg

Tuggers1986
02-23-2007, 08:12 AM
Mike Tyson

Dempsey 1919
02-23-2007, 12:43 PM
Jack Johnson.


You know what, I take that back. "Gangstas" are ******* that need guns and other people around them to beat up on poor old women.

Jack Johnson was not this. No, he had BALLS, big Mother ****ing Balls. His dick and balls were so big that White Women loved to suck it.

He ****ed and paraded around with White Women. Most likely your wife or Mother.

No bodyguards, just himself in a time when they hung you if you were black, let alone running around acting like you were God, ****in white women, had money, etc.

He fought White Fighters and laughed during the fights.


I am Black, and I am Proud

http://www.nccu.edu/campus/echo/archive7-0405/c-jackjohnson.jpg

:fing02:...

Yogi
02-23-2007, 12:55 PM
For somebody who had "big Mother ****ing Balls" he sure showed a hell of a lot of cowardly tendencies when presented with the many opportunities to defend against a former sub-140 pounder.

Dempsey 1919
02-23-2007, 01:00 PM
For somebody who had "big Mother ****ing Balls" he sure showed a hell of a lot of cowardly tendencies when presented with the many opportunities to defend against a former sub-140 pounder.

What was the point of fighting Langford when he already gave him a beating?

Yogi
02-23-2007, 01:10 PM
What was the point of fighting Langford when he already gave him a beating?

In the simpliest terms, because Langford was the best available challenger to Johnson's title for much (if not all) of his seven reign as champion, and because there was also plenty of doubt in the press if he could beat Langford again due to the percieved improvement (by the press at the time) Langford was said to have gained since their firsdt fight

Dempsey 1919
02-23-2007, 01:15 PM
In the simpliest terms, because Langford was the best available challenger to Johnson's title for much (if not all) of his seven reign as champion, and because there was also plenty of doubt in the press if he could beat Langford again due to the percieved improvement (by the press at the time) Langford was said to have gained since their firsdt fight

I have nothing else to say, except,

:hail:

Yogi
02-23-2007, 01:21 PM
I have nothing else to say, except,

:hail:

Hey, Sabbath must have been on to something when, in the recent past, he kept things "simple" with you in regards to that Johnson/Langford situation...

Truth though, I had to keep it simple & short, because I'm just about to head out the door for the day.

brownpimp88
02-23-2007, 01:28 PM
If a puny guy like langford was the top challenger for the heavyweight belt, doesnt that expose the fact that it was a garbage heavyweight era, i mean open your eyes people. Langford is the same size as duran, the best duran could do was hang with middleweights. Does that mean langford is better, no. It means the sport has evolved and you guys need to be realistic.

Dempsey 1919
02-23-2007, 01:34 PM
If a puny guy like langford was the top challenger for the heavyweight belt, doesnt that expose the fact that it was a garbage heavyweight era, i mean open your eyes people. Langford is the same size as duran, the best duran could do was hang with middleweights. Does that mean langford is better, no. It means the sport has evolved and you guys need to be realistic.

Langford was at least a good 30lbs heavier than Duran.

brownpimp88
02-23-2007, 01:42 PM
Langford was at least a good 30lbs heavier than Duran.

so, what are you saying? That langford would beat valuev and klitschko. Dude the guy has fought lightweights for god's sakes.

Dempsey 1919
02-23-2007, 02:58 PM
so, what are you saying? That langford would beat valuev and klitschko. Dude the guy has fought lightweights for god's sakes.

All I did was respond to your post that Duran and Langford was the same size. They are not.

That is all.:wave:

pr20
02-27-2007, 09:18 AM
you guys are strictly thinking boxers. J prince is by far and away the biggest gangsta. Owns rap-a-lot records and every artist on it. Linked to organized crime all over the country. manages a lot of prime time fighters. promotional company making moves with the big boys now. he is a connected dude in more ways than one. crime, government, state, federal, etc..........the streets

CletusVanDamme
02-27-2007, 10:13 AM
I read Jordans story but it was said to have been "made up".

The biggest gangsta that got press would be Frankie Carbo and Blinky Palermo. The headed the now defunct IBC and had contol of things at every major venue in the country for a time. They were exposed aswell as there double dealing and under handed tactics.

Gotta say though, that boxing thrived during their control of the game. Maybe they were doing something right?

Rockin' :boxing:

Jordan did not even grow up in Haiti, he made it all up. I think he was beaten badly on the docks in LA and died later after being placed in a nursing home. I say Vincent Gigante, head of the Lucceshe family I think,but one of the five I know. He was a decent pro, and the name the chin comes from his ability to be easily knocked out. Jo-El Scott comes to mind who raped and murdered a lady and was once a hugely hyped Prospect. Kasson Saxon was another good fighter and heavyweight prospect that walked in an office one day and murdered like 4 people in a mob hit in the 90s.

CletusVanDamme
02-27-2007, 10:15 AM
For somebody who had "big Mother ****ing Balls" he sure showed a hell of a lot of cowardly tendencies when presented with the many opportunities to defend against a former sub-140 pounder.

Langford once followed Jack to England to force a fight. Jack told him no one would pay to see to Black Men fight and to forget it. Johnson was correct huge risk, no reward.

Bucktown Beast
02-27-2007, 10:23 AM
Theres one answer to this question.

Vincent "The Chin" Gigante

21-4 as a Light Heavyweight professional boxer...later the HEAD of the Genovese crime family.

End thread.

CletusVanDamme
02-27-2007, 10:25 AM
Theres one answer to this question.

Vincent "The Chin" Gigante

21-4 as a Light Heavyweight professional boxer...later the HEAD of the Genovese crime family.

End thread.

That was my choice I just got the family and called him Carmine (got confused)wrong and said Lucchese. This was no contest really.

Bucktown Beast
02-27-2007, 10:32 AM
That was my choice I just got the family and called him Carmine (got confused)wrong and said Lucchese. This was no contest really.

Ok I just read back to your reply..

This however is incorrect:
He was a decent pro, and the name the chin comes from his ability to be easily knocked out.
Just the opposite. Came from his ability to take a great punch. He was never knocked out or knocked down.

CletusVanDamme
02-27-2007, 10:35 AM
Ok I just read back to your reply..

This however is incorrect:

Just the opposite. Came from his ability to take a great punch. He was never knocked out or knocked down.

I have heard the opposite but you are probably correct. I switched Carmine Gambino's name and his unfortunately.

CletusVanDamme
02-27-2007, 10:38 AM
Yes he was only stopped on cuts and A&E Biography should have done better research. His years spent wandering Greenich Village in a bathrobe and Pajamas was very clever. His past as a boxer made people think he was punchdrunk for a time.

CletusVanDamme
02-27-2007, 10:45 AM
Alot of Nicky Scarfo's crew in Philly the enforcers anyway were former pros.

Benny Leonard
02-27-2007, 11:23 AM
Langford was at least a good 30lbs heavier than Duran.

Yes, Langford was bigger than Duran. Langford was very thick and could go up and down in weight.

Just look at opening of this video, he looks "filled out" in the begining.

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Benny Leonard
02-27-2007, 11:29 AM
so, what are you saying? That langford would beat valuev and klitschko. Dude the guy has fought lightweights for god's sakes.

Yes this is true. I will add this though, Vitali did Quit against Chris Byrd and he was not a true heavyweight. Just showing respect to Chris since he doesn't seem to get much for some odd reason.

I just wonder what the old time fighter's strength and endurance levels were really like. Yes, you can read about them, but I would want to see what they are like "live."

Bucktown Beast
02-27-2007, 05:19 PM
Alot of Nicky Scarfo's crew in Philly the enforcers anyway were former pros.

U from Philly? I lived there for 3 years. I remember when I was out there they busted Joey Merlino...never heard of him til that day, but I guess he was somewhat of a John Gotti of Philly.

aljon
02-28-2007, 09:45 PM
I don't know about gangsta, but the one of the most feared was definately Lewis...

kayjay
02-28-2007, 09:49 PM
U from Philly? I lived there for 3 years. I remember when I was out there they busted Joey Merlino...never heard of him til that day, but I guess he was somewhat of a John Gotti of Philly.

Scrappy, you must not have read the Daily News while you lived there. Skinny Joe was on the front page several times per week. He was like a soap star. The North Philly drug dealer would constantly try to hit him, but they couldn't touch him. He would fall out with this or that other South Philly oldtimer. I used to love it.

Bucktown Beast
02-28-2007, 11:36 PM
Scrappy, you must not have read the Daily News while you lived there. Skinny Joe was on the front page several times per week. He was like a soap star. The North Philly drug dealer would constantly try to hit him, but they couldn't touch him. He would fall out with this or that other South Philly oldtimer. I used to love it.

You from Illadelph? North Philly is actually where I lived for those 3 years...But I did read the newspapers and thats when I first took note of him. I think he was on trial at one point and was on tv and in the papers all the time. Then one day they had like a 3 page spread on him detailing his entire crime career. It was like a timeline of all his events he was involved in, **** was like a sick gangster flic!

brownpimp88
02-28-2007, 11:44 PM
Did sonny liston ever duck an opponent? Cuz he was a scary mother****er.

Dempsey 1919
03-01-2007, 12:22 AM
Did sonny liston ever duck an opponent? Cuz he was a scary mother****er.

Nope. The bear ducked nobody. He totally cleaned house.

CletusVanDamme
03-01-2007, 01:19 AM
Nope. The bear ducked nobody. He totally cleaned house.

Liston was a badass. Old guys have told me when he lost to Clay people were stunned because they thought he was invinceable. People thought he threw the first fight at the time.

Jim_Davis
03-01-2007, 08:12 AM
Shut up you poofters Reggie Kray owns all these ***s.

Oh yeah and Audley.

kayjay
03-01-2007, 08:15 AM
You from Illadelph? North Philly is actually where I lived for those 3 years...But I did read the newspapers and thats when I first took note of him. I think he was on trial at one point and was on tv and in the papers all the time. Then one day they had like a 3 page spread on him detailing his entire crime career. It was like a timeline of all his events he was involved in, **** was like a sick gangster flic!


I lived way up in NE Philly until I was 17. I think Joey's trial was then end of line as far as gang publicity there went.

kayjay
03-01-2007, 08:29 AM
Yes, Langford was bigger than Duran. Langford was very thick and could go up and down in weight.

Just look at opening of this video, he looks "filled out" in the begining.

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I don't understand how people can watch these videos and compare the fighters to modern ones. I know I sound like dino, but the footwork is terrible, there is no defenses, punches are telegraphed, etc. So it seems to this very humble observer.

Bucktown Beast
03-01-2007, 11:36 AM
I lived way up in NE Philly until I was 17. I think Joey's trial was then end of line as far as gang publicity there went.

Yea...NY/NJ was so consumed with its own mafia superstars that we were pretty much in the dark about Philly's cosa nostra scene. If I wasn't out in Philly for that time I doubt I would've ever know about Philly's crime family or Joey Merlino. He def seemed like a lively character though.

CletusVanDamme
03-01-2007, 11:53 AM
I don't understand how people can watch these videos and compare the fighters to modern ones. I know I sound like dino, but the footwork is terrible, there is no defenses, punches are telegraphed, etc. So it seems to this very humble observer.

If I didn't love you I would bury in red karma.

kayjay
03-01-2007, 11:56 AM
Yea...NY/NJ was so consumed with its own mafia superstars that we were pretty much in the dark about Philly's cosa nostra scene. If I wasn't out in Philly for that time I doubt I would've ever know about Philly's crime family or Joey Merlino. He def seemed like a lively character though.

His celebrity might have been local, but he was huge. In Philly no one gives a **** about NY, and remember about half of NJ is Philly too. Before Merlino was Scarfo, who was maybe more powerful but was a darker, less charismatic figure.

kayjay
03-01-2007, 11:57 AM
If I didn't love you I would bury in red karma.

Tell me what I said ain't true. The fighting styele of that part of the century is plain crude. I can't enjoy any fights from before about the mid 30's

Bucktown Beast
03-01-2007, 12:04 PM
In Philly no one gives a **** about NY.

Well I know firsthand that a lot of people in Philly don't like New York or New Yorkers, but to say that they don't give a **** about NY on the basis of the mafiosos would be pretty naive. If someone is in to mafia figures and the history of it, then you can't possibly overlook New York. New York is where the most influential and legendary gangsters came from. I mean on the scale, Nicky Scarfo and Joey Merlino are midgets compared to John Gotti and Carlo Gambino.

CletusVanDamme
03-01-2007, 01:03 PM
Tell me what I said ain't true. The fighting styele of that part of the century is plain crude. I can't enjoy any fights from before about the mid 30's

I just prefer Boxing before the 30s for the most part. I mostly watch the 70s and below. Guys like Battling Nelson were crude but the were tough as whit leather and that is why I prefer the oldtimers. Guys like Leonard, Gans and Ross were very technically sound for their times. They were hard men and that is what I admire guys like Saddler, Zale, Ketchel, Walker, Greb were tough enough to fight in any era.

Mick Hucknall
03-01-2007, 02:22 PM
Primo Carnera was the Mafias puppet

Bucktown Beast
03-01-2007, 02:24 PM
Primo Carnera was the Mafias puppet

Supposedly. But he wasn't the only one...

The mafia corrupted the **** out of boxing in the 40s and 50s...

kayjay
03-01-2007, 03:04 PM
Yea...NY/NJ was so consumed with its own mafia superstars that we were pretty much in the dark about Philly's cosa nostra scene. If I wasn't out in Philly for that time I doubt I would've ever know about Philly's crime family or Joey Merlino. He def seemed like a lively character though.

An exaggeration, yes. Sure New Yorkers have a wider-reaching celebrity. I wans't denying that. I was just saying that Philly had its own thing.

Bucktown Beast
03-01-2007, 03:43 PM
Carlo Gambino, Aniello Dellacroce, Albert Anastasia, and Paul Castellano are the most intriguing characters to me...Anastasia was just a straight ruthless maniac.

Addison
04-09-2007, 11:05 PM
Don King........