View Full Version : 70's Ali vs Larry Holmes... ugliest fight ever?


Heckler
06-03-2006, 12:32 AM
The ali of 1971 that stepped between those ropes to fight Joe Frazier vs Prime Larry Holmes. Ali wasn't quite as fast as he was pre-layoff and was fighting flatfooted but after a few tuneup fights his timing, accuracy, and judgement of range returned, although he wasn't quite as sharp as he had been. It's possible that the 74' Ali was even better. He trained harder for the Foreman fight than anyother fight post layoff and he was very well prepared. He looked just as sharp as he did in 71' and had more experience after going through the learning curves of the Frazier and Norton fights. Use the 71' or 74' example of Ali when considering this fantasy fight.

Larry Holmes was a parallel of Ali in many ways. He was a mobile boxer with good footwork who would plant his feet momentarily and flick out the jab or a quick flurry from the periphery. In terms of durability him and Ali were pretty much on par, power i would give the edge to Holmes and in regard to speed i would give the edge to Ali. Holmes was the superior technician but this is offset by Ali being more dynamic and possibly the better ring general with greater ringsmarts.

This would be a truly horrible fight to watch. They would struggle with eachothers jab's and it would be a slow, arkward fight no doubt. Both men fought much better on the backfoot and i can envison Ali luring Holmes into the role of aggressor giving Ali a significant advantage. Im certain this would go 15 rounds and im rather unsure of who's hand would be raised at the end of the fight. If i had to choose i would give the nudge to Ali based on him being a little more slicker and adaptable in the ring. Both Would look like shit and it could go eitherway.... would be a paper thin desicion.

SABBATH
06-03-2006, 01:06 AM
The ali of 1971 that stepped between those ropes to fight Joe Frazier vs Prime Larry Holmes. Ali always had success against fighters as tall or taller than him such as Sabedong, Lavorante, Williams, Terrell, Mathis, Lewis, Foster, Bugner and Wepner. Conventional stand-up fighters also didn't trouble Ali. Ali had more trouble with smaller quick guys or awkward unpredictable styles.

Holmes was somewhat predictable and threw shots mainly off the jab. Ali could neutralize Holmes jab effectively enough. Holmes wasn't a bodypuncher so I don't see him slowing Ali up or wearing him down. Holmes best power shot was his straight right which Ali wasn't known for getting tagged with. Holmes on the other hand sometimes got lazy with the jab and was vulnerable to right hands over the top, which happens to be Ali's best counterpunch.

I'm sure Holmes would assume the role of aggressor which he was not overly effective and often looked out of his element going forward like against Lorenzo Zanon, Ossie Ocasio or Michael Spinks. Holmes didn't throw alot of leather either when he was going forward.

Prime Holmes also never fought a fighter near the calibre of a '71 Ali. Neither guy can hurt the other so it's going the distance although I can see Ali catching Holmes with some flush right hands mid to late in the fight.

Ali by decision, but I don't think the fight would be boring. I see Ali having a bit of difficulty early before solving Holmes, adapting and winning more rounds down the stretch. Both guys would have their moments but Ali wins 9-6 in rounds.

Dempsey 1919
06-03-2006, 01:16 AM
Well, with ali having the better chin and speed, and power would be about equal, i would say that ali would win a split decision.

hemichromis
06-03-2006, 04:17 AM
ali would win

their actual fight was terrbible angelo was shouting at everyone to stop the fight to protect his man

Southpaw Stinger
06-03-2006, 08:51 AM
Prime Ali would beat Holmes by UD.

The Raging Bull
06-03-2006, 09:16 AM
Prime Ali vs Prime Holmes

TKO round 9 going ALi's way.

Erbad
06-03-2006, 10:54 AM
I'm going with a UD for Ali.

lefthooklacy11
06-03-2006, 12:59 PM
I'd say Ali, I'm not much of a Holmes fan

hellfire508
06-07-2006, 09:49 AM
Prime Ali is like a master vs. apprentice. Ali shows Larry how its done... 11-4 decision.

The Ali of 1st Frazier fight = UD for Ali.
It depends which 70s Ali shows up...

hellfire508
06-07-2006, 09:49 AM
Oh, and the ugliest fight ever would probably be Byrd vs. Jimmy Young. Bore fest x 100000.

Southpaw Stinger
06-07-2006, 12:00 PM
Oh, and the ugliest fight ever would probably be Byrd vs. Jimmy Young. Bore fest x 100000.

Also 90's Foreman vs James Toney. A slow flab war...

Hard Boiled HK
07-05-2006, 12:25 AM
Ali with a split decision.