How do i knock out a sparring partner thats twice my size? [Archive]

Slipx

02-10-2005, 09:32 AM

but yeah if you seriously are looking to fight a guy around my size and your 155, I'll tell you the key to victory

most heavyweights are sorta fat around the midsection, especially amateur. lead with your head to your lead side ,use alot of head movement when u come in to slip the jab, then put all your weight into a body shot. if this lands flush he'll drop his hands, that's when you just unload hooks on his face like he ****ed your mom.

edit: its a bad idea to try this with a heavy though,bc if you dont get the ko you will most likely get stomped like an ant with a sledgehammer. why the **** are u trying to ko your sparring partner anyway. u must live in philadelphia.

boxernyc

02-10-2005, 09:39 AM

Along the same lines as a previous post, you could wear a matador's outfit and when he charges, remove your cape to show a large Acme anvil. Works every time!

But seriously, I doubt there is much to gain with sparring a heavyweight if you are 155. You also don't need to prove to your trainer how much power you have. If your trainer is any good he already knows how much power you have.

vB Martin

02-10-2005, 01:11 PM

ya that's exactly what I was going to say vb

what weight do you fight at man?I don't fight any more. I'm a natural 225, though. All the fighting I ever did was amateur boxing and then I would do Fight Nights fairly often at this club here in town. 3 2-minute rounds. That's about all an old guy like me can handle any more;) 6 minutes of beating down drunken sailors and marines can be fun, though :)

Sadly, they shut the club down late last year. the nights they didn't have fights, they had "oil wrestling" and the girls were getting naked and giving lap dances on the main floor between "matches". That's sort of illegal in Hawaii. I guess the right person didn't get paid off.

Slipx

02-10-2005, 01:21 PM

elveiel

02-10-2005, 02:50 PM

I want to KO this guy to show my trainer my power. I know i have the power to do it, i'm just having a hard time getting close enough to land a hard one.

If you have the power to KO him where's the problem?? Boxings a risky sport, you may have to take one to give one.

Plus, you shouldnt be fighting someone that big, its just going to make you negative because you'll be worried about taking big shots. If he's the same height and weights nearly 100lbs more he's either fat or has too much muscle = to slow for you(unless your really skinny)

SouthBayBboy

02-10-2005, 02:57 PM

Sounds a little out of reach to me???

vB Martin

02-10-2005, 09:19 PM

a sailor probably got a brain tumor or something, that's how it always happens ;-(

sucks too, as that place sounds like alot of fun to train and box at, as I find most military guys are very weak yet the act hard
It's not that they're weak. It's that they really don't know how to fight one on one, and they have a tendancy to bullrush and swing for the fences.

Of course you can say that of most people.

And I explained why they shut the club down in my post, too. No brain tumors.

PessimisticPug

02-10-2005, 10:09 PM

If you have only been boxing for a month I would say that your trainer is way off target putting you in with guys that big. You must be going home and laying in bed with your head still ringing. You are not used to taking the blows yet, those of some one your size let alone a heavyweight. In time you just get used to it and it doesnt bother you, but thats in time. However, sparring partners can be hard to come by so that big guy may be the only one available.

If you step up trying to knock out a guy with that much weight on you then you are probably going to end up the one set on your ass. The thing with fighting heavy guys is speed, you have it and they dont. The thing that you can gain by fighting them is endurance and strength, not the ability to take a better punch.

Use your speed and movement to keep away from the guy. If he is on top of you and you know how to dig a good body shot than dig them, dig them hard and get out of the way. Always work the body on those guys, you will get better results than hitting him in the head. Its plain and simple, you are not going to drop a guy that big, especially with 16oz sparring gloves on.

I used to fight heavyweights all of the time. My trainer had no inhibitions with putting me in with guys that were much bigger and I had no reservations doing it, it didnt matter. I was there to work and I'd work with whoever was available. I had been fighting for about 8 years when I got with this trainer so I had developed many skills with which to defend myself and then even more skills and tricks after working with him for a while. Guys who have been boxing for a month have not learned even the most basic moves yet and if they have learned them they have not had the time to master them yet. I would always take a second or two from my training to watch when green guys would step up, they are raw and unperfected and quite frankly you never knew what you you might see. It was normally good for a chuckle or two.

To sum it up. dont go in looking to drop this guy. look to use your jab and movement. Use your eyes, the heavyweights blows come much slower than a jr middleweights, use this to your advantage. If your trainer hasnt taught you feints yet than have him show you. Fient him and stick him and get out of the way. There are things to be gained by sparring heavyweight but I dont think you will realize any rewards by trying to drop him...Rockin'

buff_mike10

02-10-2005, 10:18 PM

Thanks rockin.

I'm in a small town with little available, thats why i'm fighting such a big guy. I have a small frame but am built with decent muscle, this guy is kinda chunky but strong. I'll take your advise.

PessimisticPug

02-10-2005, 10:35 PM

how old are you buff one and where are you from?...Rockin'

buff_mike10

02-10-2005, 11:00 PM

I'm 20 and from western MD

PessimisticPug

02-10-2005, 11:13 PM

Just be carefull with what your doing. Some trainers have never spent time in the ring and do not know what its like to be busted in the chin. Right now you are, I would assume, planning to get an amatuer fight in the future. Remember, you are not being paid for this in any way so dont put yourself at risk to much. If you start heading home with headaches tell your trainer about it and take the next day or two off from sparring. You only get one mind in this life time, know what I mean. If your sparring and get nailed, I am sure youve seen the white take over you vision as the force of the blow reaches the depths of your gut, just take a knee and get your gauges back. If you dont feel good still then take of the sparring gloves off and go work the bags or do some floor work. Sparring big guys can be good, but you are young and you are not doing this for any monetary gain, so why risk it for nothing.......Rockin'

P.S. To the people that will bash me for telling him to take a knee when stunned against a heavyweight I say this, how many rounds have you fought and how many times have you driven home from the gym to wake up the next morning in your bed not recalling even leaving the gym?

boxernyc

02-11-2005, 10:32 AM

Silverfox

02-11-2005, 09:45 PM

I want to KO this guy to show my trainer my power. I know i have the power to do it, i'm just having a hard time getting close enough to land a hard one.
I suggest that you leave the fight game. You are sounding a bit punchy already!

Show yourself your power in the ring with another 155 pounder! If I was 200 lbs or so and you bust my nose....I'd kill you! Sounds like you're sparring with a retard.

buff_mike10

02-11-2005, 09:51 PM

I suggest that you leave the fight game. You are sounding a bit punchy already!

Show yourself your power in the ring with another 155 pounder! If I was 200 lbs or so and you bust my nose....I'd kill you! Sounds like you're sparring with a retard.

After i busted his nose he did come at me hard, i just have great head movement and more speed to escape. The other guys at our gym that are around my weight i have already beat up on and they say i take sparring to serious, but isn't that what your supposed to do

whdempsey

02-11-2005, 10:20 PM

One of my sparring partners is 246, i am 155 both the same height. My trainer has me fighting him to get me used to hard punches, i've been beating this guy all the time, busted his nose today, but how can i put him on that canvas without getting nailed.
I'm a small guy too (5'7", but I weigh 175) and I love fighting bigger guys. Every chance I get to fight heavyweights I jump on. In terms of talent you need to be able to take a punch, and punch like the bejesus. As far as skills go, make sure your bodypunching, in-fighting, lateral movement and head movement are well above average. Bonuses are a good strong jab ( ala vintage Mike Tyson) and great strength. If you can consistently slip his longer punches, you can win easily. There's a range within his range which is all yours. See, he won't be able to get full extension, while you will. With just enough side-to-side movement, you'll be too elusive for him to hit (I'm assuming he's slower than you). If he tries to tie you up, hit him in the body. If he manages to tie you up, throw kidney punches for as long as your hands are free, and when they're not, stick your skull under his chin and start pushing. Your trainer won't like it, but he'll stop clinching with you. With good in-fighting skills, you will be able to knock him silly with uppercuts and hooks, while his longer arms will put him at a disadvantage, and he'll be confined mostly to uppercuts. Of course, uppecuts are a big deal, so try to keep at least a glove under your chin on the inside. You'll take a few more punches if you do it my way than if you fought like Chrid Byrd but you'll put his ass on the mat.

There are a few nuances, but that's my basic plan to beat a bigger guy.

boxerman

02-12-2005, 12:09 AM

This sounds all a bit crazy to me. I'm no expert, but I do fight amateur so I belong to a gym and do spar. There are times when it has been necessary to try and knock a guy out. Its more of a payback respect type thing. Which is the very thing you are going to be faced with when one of these guys you try to hurt gain a little experience. One of those hot head types tried that with me once when i first started training. He had about 20 lbs on me, caught me with a lot of good hooks and even caused my once broken nose ( basketball incident ) to bleed. We finished our few rounds...i stood in there and took it. 3 months later i kicked his ass all over the ring. We got into a clinch and he kneed me in the face cutting my eye.
Moral of the story is this: sparring is practice, not a fight. As people have mentioned on here before, its there for you to work on stamina and weaknesses. Besides these are your teamates and you do want someone in your corner rooting for you during your fights. In most gyms, if you catch someone with a good shot and stun them, the trainer has you back off. Again, Im in atlanta and not philly. Doubt you have one punch power to knock out a heavy so this means you are gonna have to catch him with a huge flurry of punches while he's hurt. Bottom line " it aint cool"

vB Martin

02-12-2005, 02:19 AM

If you can consistently slip his longer punches, you can win easily. There's a range within his range which is all yours. See, he won't be able to get full extension, while you will.
You're making a lot of assumptions here. Heavyweights with the ability to throw hard, short punches aren't exactly a rare breed. He could get killed trying to find that range.

Stickman

02-12-2005, 08:18 AM

KO'ing a sparring partner deliberately won't make you any friends in any gym, unless there was a personal thing of some sort. Like someone else said, if your trainer's worth a **** he already knows what kind of power you have, good or not.

Slipx

02-13-2005, 10:57 AM

Yeah. When I see a newcomer try to knock someone out in their first sparring session, the first thing I do is pray he gets dropped, and most of the time they do. Then after they fall down, they are never as fierce as that first round of sparring. It's like they respect the ring after getting punked that once.

tyson

02-13-2005, 12:54 PM

This guy is joking, real trainers don't let 155 guys fights heavy's.
My weight is 152, and I used to sparr with a heavyweight, just because there wasn't anyone else around.
We went at it with full force, everytime, and I had to be careful with the headpunches so that I wouldn't knock him down.
The traniners even had me sparring with 22oz gloves for a year to keep me from knocking people out in training.
He had to pull his bodypunches, but not to the head.

I can as well inform that in 2003, in the junior european championship, me and the heavyweight from Norway punched on a punching-machine to test our power. (Heavyweight in amateur equals 81 kg- around 185 pounds) He managed 124 on the machine, I managed first 126, second 127 then 128, before he dragged me away from there because all the other fighters were watching :P I weighed 63kg then... By the way, he got a bronze medal, and I lost my freakin first fight to a wussy from turkey.

I guess power aint everything, eh?

riz

02-13-2005, 01:32 PM

GO TO THE BODY!!!! whenever ur in close do sum body punches... it'll help u in the later rounds

dino

02-13-2005, 02:16 PM

who the hell spars with a guy almost 100 pounds bigger then them anyway?..i dont bleieve u

buff_mike10

02-13-2005, 06:19 PM

who the hell spars with a guy almost 100 pounds bigger then them anyway?..i dont bleieve u
Its says he's an idiot under his name, can't argue with that

whdempsey

02-14-2005, 01:03 AM

You're making a lot of assumptions here. Heavyweights with the ability to throw hard, short punches aren't exactly a rare breed. He could get killed trying to find that range.
Eh. That's my basic plan for taking out anyone (I may have a small man's complex). I have yet to run into anyone it doesn't work on. Mind you, I haven't made it to Kronk yet, so if and when I finally manage to get there, I'll tell you how it goes.

Plus, given what he said, I thought it was a fair plan to give him. Oh, and as far as heavyweights who fight well on the inside, there aren't that many these days. I would qualify that, but I don't really believe it has to be qualified. Really, when was the last time you saw a man as big as say, Jameel McCline fight really well on the inside? Riddick Bowe? Andrew Golota, mebbe? Nah, the fact of the matter is, and this is true, at least as far as I can tell, of the sport on every level, heavyweights these days are too big to be really effective on the inside. It's part of the reason Byrd has been so successful.

Pugnacious_Z

02-14-2005, 01:17 AM

dont no mate

Shaolin Bushido

02-14-2005, 01:22 AM

One of my sparring partners is 246, i am 155 both the same height. My trainer has me fighting him to get me used to hard punches, i've been beating this guy all the time, busted his nose today, but how can i put him on that canvas without getting nailed.Dude, did you post this same exact question on Sherdog or is it just a coincidence? Anyway, as ET said, knocking out your training partner is counter productive.

Slipx

02-14-2005, 02:04 AM

sherdog gheyness

joeboxer

02-14-2005, 02:08 AM

My weight is 152, and I used to sparr with a heavyweight, just because there wasn't anyone else around.
We went at it with full force, everytime, and I had to be careful with the headpunches so that I wouldn't knock him down.
The traniners even had me sparring with 22oz gloves for a year to keep me from knocking people out in training.
He had to pull his bodypunches, but not to the head.

I can as well inform that in 2003, in the junior european championship, me and the heavyweight from Norway punched on a punching-machine to test our power. (Heavyweight in amateur equals 81 kg- around 185 pounds) He managed 124 on the machine, I managed first 126, second 127 then 128, before he dragged me away from there because all the other fighters were watching :P I weighed 63kg then... By the way, he got a bronze medal, and I lost my freakin first fight to a wussy from turkey.

I guess power aint everything, eh?

There are always exceptions to the rule. Rubine "the huricane" Carter used to be sparring partners with Sonny Liston. Danny Green just battled James Toney is an awsome spar session on the internet.

But it sounds like you know what you are doing. This kind of **** is not for beginers. When you first start sparring you can get hurt or get hurt by someone your own size, because you don't know what your doing. Fighting someone that much bigger than you is just plain stupid.

The guy who posted this thread agrees with me.

Shaolin Bushido

02-14-2005, 02:27 AM

sherdog gheynessHahahahaha, no like?

Pugnacious_Z

02-14-2005, 05:48 AM

hey joeboxer,
Originally Posted by tyson
My weight is 152, and I used to sparr with a heavyweight, just because there wasn't anyone else around.
We went at it with full force, everytime, and I had to be careful with the headpunches so that I wouldn't knock him down.
The traniners even had me sparring with 22oz gloves for a year to keep me from knocking people out in training.
He had to pull his bodypunches, but not to the head.

I can as well inform that in 2003, in the junior european championship, me and the heavyweight from Norway punched on a punching-machine to test our power. (Heavyweight in amateur equals 81 kg- around 185 pounds) He managed 124 on the machine, I managed first 126, second 127 then 128, before he dragged me away from there because all the other fighters were watching :P I weighed 63kg then... By the way, he got a bronze medal, and I lost my freakin first fight to a wussy from turkey.

I guess power aint everything, eh?

ive used the same machine wen i was 13 and 10months, i was 40kg. i got 90 on the machine, my bro was 19 at the time and 60kg and he got 129. and just to let u know, the machine tests speed, not power

buff_mike10

02-14-2005, 11:00 AM

Dude, did you post this same exact question on Sherdog or is it just a coincidence? Anyway, as ET said, knocking out your training partner is counter productive.
No, i don't know what sherdog is? Is it another boxing site?

Slipx

02-20-2005, 02:08 PM

Hahahahaha, no like?

there's just something about the posters of sherdog that lowers my IQ..(except for sean gannon, nothing but respect for him)

PessimisticPug

02-20-2005, 05:04 PM

to WHDempsey,

If your planning to go to kronk, youd better plan on throwing down. Kronk is not like most gyms in that their sparring can be viscious and if you are not prepared it could be a bad experience. Kronk is a great place to learn to fight and their trainers are experienced and well schooled. What I am saying here is that if your going down there to work just so that you can say that you have done that, it will not be a good experience for you. If your going down there to learn the skills and learn to fight then there is no better place to go as far as i'm concerned.

P.S Let us know when you are going down, I would like to be there. Hell, I'll work with you if you want. I wont try to take your head off like the others. It would probably be a better choice for you. Also, do you even know where the gym is or do you just know its in detroit.......Rockin'