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EXIGE 05-29-2006, 06:54 PM Ok here's a clip of me shadow boxing. Its really really poor quality, but gets better as it goes on, the reason being that it is from my phone... piece of shit. :rolleyes:
Anyways... I dont want any discussions on it, because I already know that it is elite. :D
Me Shadow Boxing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRarwJ9S_qw)
Oh yeah and the reason it was too short was because my 3gp converter wasnt converting the whole ****ing file, only like 40 seconds or something, so I just had to put up with that.
Peace. :cool:
VERSATILE2K9 05-29-2006, 06:58 PM u got alright hands but aint quicker then me though :D
EXIGE 05-29-2006, 07:00 PM u got alright hands but aint quicker then me though :D
Yes they are. :D
Nah my shadow boxing is generally skill based, not power/speed, so although there were instances of me throwing quickly, I generally work on the placement of the feet, making sure my hand is up when I throw with the other hand etc etc.
I find that in sparring I barely ever get twisted into a position where I am off balance because that is what I work on in my shadow boxing. Putting myself in awkward places to throw shots from and maintaining the balance.
!! AI-Holmes!! 05-29-2006, 07:02 PM Looks good, not bad, you got something there.
EXIGE 05-29-2006, 07:04 PM Looks good, not bad, you got something there.
Thank you sir.
FeelTheA-Force 05-29-2006, 07:05 PM Yes they are. :D
Nah my shadow boxing is generally skill based, not power/speed, so although there were instances of me throwing quickly, I generally work on the placement of the feet, making sure my hand is up when I throw with the other hand etc etc.
I find that in sparring I barely ever get twisted into a position where I am off balance because that is what I work on in my shadow boxing. Putting myself in awkward places to throw shots from and maintaining the balance.
bloody hell. how old are you!!! how much do you weigh!!! skin and bones is what i see!!!!
EXIGE 05-29-2006, 07:07 PM bloody hell. how old are you!!! how much do you weigh!!! skin and bones is what i see!!!!
17, and 64kg so dont give me that shit...
All I see in you is an insecure bitch that dont know shit about boxing nor ever boxed... Skin and bones my ass... :rolleyes:
boxstarr 05-29-2006, 07:14 PM i can catch him when he slips...and im more power than skill based
and...he took that with his phone cos he doesnt wanna show you his face after i knocked it all about (joking)
EXIGE 05-29-2006, 07:25 PM i can catch him when he slips...and im more power than skill based
and...he took that with his phone cos he doesnt wanna show you his face after i knocked it all about (joking)
You can catch me when I slip? That would be why I slipped almost all of your jabs on Friday... haha.
I have shown my face on here loads... :cool:
Built 2 Last 05-29-2006, 07:29 PM pretty elite.....wher u from in uk?
u hav gud form and excellent technique...after one arm is throwen forward u no wot comesnext..thats wots rong with most ppl..they throw not knowing wot 2 throw next
u got a nice jab n left hook...thats wot am working on 2 better my self
gud stuff
EXIGE 05-29-2006, 07:43 PM pretty elite.....wher u from in uk?
u hav gud form and excellent technique...after one arm is throwen forward u no wot comesnext..thats wots rong with most ppl..they throw not knowing wot 2 throw next
u got a nice jab n left hook...thats wot am working on 2 better my self
gud stuff
Thanks bro, live in South London.
My advice if you want to get better on the jab-left hook is to focus on the foot and hip movement. You gotta remember with the hook especially it is all done in the hips pretty much, and the hand is just an extension of the body. The fact that this combination is done with one hand makes it harder and you could land yourself in a situation where you are extremely off balance if you dont plant your feet and place them correctly.
Shadow box it real slow at first, throwing the jab and bringing it back to the chin. Dont try and hook with your hand already out in front of you. Treat the combination like 2 seperate movements rather than one big movement - as if you were just throwing a jab alone, and then you were throwing a left hook alone. Thats how I did it. Like I said, if you do it slowly this becomes easy, and you will never be off balance after both shots have landed or even missed...
FeelTheA-Force 05-29-2006, 07:44 PM 17, and 64kg so dont give me that shit...
All I see in you is an insecure bitch that dont know shit about boxing nor ever boxed... Skin and bones my ass... :rolleyes:
hahaha please dont make me laff. your 10 fuking stone. thats just a joke for sum1 your age.
I can box, and i can fight. im not limited to just boxing, i can kick too. so i guess u dont know much do u.
Built 2 Last 05-29-2006, 07:46 PM Thanks bro, live in South London.
My advice if you want to get better on the jab-left hook is to focus on the foot and hip movement. You gotta remember with the hook especially it is all done in the hips pretty much, and the hand is just an extension of the body. The fact that this combination is done with one hand makes it harder and you could land yourself in a situation where you are extremely off balance if you dont plant your feet and place them correctly.
Shadow box it real slow at first, throwing the jab and bringing it back to the chin. Dont try and hook with your hand already out in front of you. Treat the combination like 2 seperate movements rather than one big movement - as if you were just throwing a jab alone, and then you were throwing a left hook alone. Thats how I did it. Like I said, if you do it slowly this becomes easy, and you will never be off balance after both shots have landed or even missed...
thanx alot...ill remember that.....am gana watch ur video again n study it...
EXIGE 05-29-2006, 07:46 PM hahaha please dont make me laff. your 10 fuking stone. thats just a joke for sum1 your age.
I can box, and i can fight. im not limited to just boxing, i can kick too. so i guess u dont know much do u.
Im 10 stone so that is low for someone my age? No it means I am in shape. Clearly you know nothing about this subject at all. Look at my physique in that video and tell me that im the wrong weight for my height. Which brings me onto my next point that your weight is barely dependent on your age, its all about your height and build...
Now get off nuts, and go cry about DRZ or some shit.
EXIGE 05-29-2006, 07:50 PM thanx alot...ill remember that.....am gana watch ur video again n study it...
Ok I just remembered something by shadowboxing the jab left hook just now. As I bring the jab back I brign the right shoulder down towards my left toe. So im dropping the right shoulder and twisting my body for the left hook, and then as soon as my jab hand is back to my face, throwing the left hook in one smooth motion.
If you dont understand what I just said, ask me again ill try and explain it better.
Built 2 Last 05-29-2006, 08:00 PM ^ nah didnt understand bro
EXIGE 05-29-2006, 08:02 PM ^ nah didnt understand bro
Ok.
As you are bringing the jab hand back to your face, lean your left shoulder backwards. So your right shoulder is now in front of your left shoulder and your body is twisted so when you release the left hook it will have even more power behind it...
Built 2 Last 05-29-2006, 08:04 PM yup i understand...u sway ur body left wards wen bringing it bak so ur left hooks more prepared right
EXIGE 05-29-2006, 08:14 PM yup i understand...u sway ur body left wards wen bringing it bak so ur left hooks more prepared right
Yeah so you arent really throwing your left hook out of a normal orthodox stance because your right shoulder is in front and normally your left shoulder is in front... hopefully that makes sense, and makes it easier to throw the left hook off the jab... ;)
Undefeated 05-29-2006, 08:17 PM Yup... that's what i be doing.. I lean my right shoulder in front of me so i could have more power in my left hook. I converted my self from a southpaw to conventional. But i could fight both. just waiting to be trained by the right trainer..
BTW nice vid. Them other peps is hating. You know what you doing. Good shit. I need to post a video.
EXIGE 05-29-2006, 08:19 PM Yup... that's what i be doing.. I lean my right shoulder in front of me so i could have more power in my left hook. I converted my self from a southpaw to conventional. But i could fight both. just waiting to be trained by the right trainer..
BTW nice vid. Them other peps is hating. You know what you doing. Good shit. I need to post a video.
Thanks, yeah just film it on your phone or something. Even though the quality might suck, people still get an idea of what you are about... :)
Undefeated 05-29-2006, 08:26 PM Thanks, yeah just film it on your phone or something. Even though the quality might suck, people still get an idea of what you are about... :)
Yea.. Ima see. Right now i have this phone, but not a camera phone. Im going to get one though. Im going to PR in june and my cousin has a video camera. Ima record over there and get good ass quality lol.. Cause i have nothing over here. I had a camera with video before but that shit broke.
By the way im lost.... You said 64kg? lol Im lost. How much is that? like 140? How tall are you?
Right now im like 138 and im 5'6.. Trying to get cut up. So when i start training and shit i'll be good. Cause they will drop me right?
EXIGE 05-29-2006, 08:27 PM Yea.. Ima see. Right now i have this phone, but not a camera phone. Im going to get one though. Im going to PR in june and my cousin has a video camera. Ima record over there and get good ass quality lol.. Cause i have nothing over here. I had a camera with video before but that shit broke.
By the way im lost.... You said 64kg? lol Im lost. How much is that? like 140? How tall are you?
Right now im like 138 and im 5'6.. Trying to get cut up. So when i start training and shit i'll be good. Cause they will drop me right?
Yeah its around about 140 I believe... by no means at fighting weight since we are almost at the end of the season in this country and I am not putting so much effort into good diet and lots of cardio. But around about September this year I will be at peak weight/fitness/skill to knock somebody's head off. :cool:
EDIT: I think I am around 5'7.
Undefeated 05-29-2006, 08:32 PM Yeah its around about 140 I believe... by no means at fighting weight since we are almost at the end of the season in this country and I am not putting so much effort into good diet and lots of cardio. But around about September this year I will be at peak weight/fitness/skill to knock somebody's head off. :cool:
EDIT: I think I am around 5'7.
That's cool..The diet part kills me but it has to be done. Thing is i hate fish! I ain't gonna eat that shit. Everything else im good with. I want to start training. I can't wait. 24/7 training and all that shit. Make it to the golden gloves and win. Then go pro. One of these days. It is bound to happen.
EXIGE 05-29-2006, 08:34 PM That's cool..The diet part kills me but it has to be done. Thing is i hate fish! I ain't gonna eat that shit. Everything else im good with. I want to start training. I can't wait. 24/7 training and all that shit. Make it to the golden gloves and win. Then go pro. One of these days. It is bound to happen.
Lol, its always good to have a target, and if you are planning on training 24/7 then you are gonna make it somewhere for sure. :cool:
Undefeated 05-29-2006, 08:40 PM Lol, its always good to have a target, and if you are planning on training 24/7 then you are gonna make it somewhere for sure. :cool:
Ever since i was young i wanted to box. Just never had the money. But thing is for me to get money ima have to work. Then the work is going to interfere with training if i do start. But hey. Ima figure something out. Put it like this. The amature expierience i have is street boxing fights lol. I had over 40.. And it was either larger ve smaller. Me being the smaller one lol. But hope that works..atleast a lil something...
NaThBoiii 05-29-2006, 08:45 PM Why do you always lean forward...Don't you wanna protect yourself. And boxers dont just stand there move about more.
EXIGE 05-29-2006, 08:47 PM Why do you always lean forward...Don't you wanna protect yourself. And boxers dont just stand there move about more.
Lean forward for reach and power advantage. Also allows for quick movement, ducking/slipping. I do it on purpose - notice how my legs are bent. Actually you might not be able to see that, but take it from me, they are.
Move about more? Do you know how much shit there is on my floor, its like walking around a bomb site. I had little room to move, but I made the best of it, I pivotted, side-stepped etc etc.
Bonafide 05-29-2006, 09:06 PM Ok here's a clip of me shadow boxing. Its really really poor quality, but gets better as it goes on, the reason being that it is from my phone... piece of shit. :rolleyes:
Anyways... I dont want any discussions on it, because I already know that it is elite. :D
Me Shadow Boxing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRarwJ9S_qw)
Oh yeah and the reason it was too short was because my 3gp converter wasnt converting the whole ****ing file, only like 40 seconds or something, so I just had to put up with that.
Peace. :cool:
So I can tell your emulating Ricky Hatton. You have decent hands and good form. Are you amatuer ? Just try to keep your hands up more even shadow boxing so it becomes a habit. I'm sure if you train in a gym your trainer will tell you the same thing. I dont know if you have sparred yet but if you bring bad habits into your shadow boxing you will bring them into the ring and if your hands arent up you will get tagged. If you dont have a trainer yet and you do get one I guarantee you the first thing he will tell you is to keep your hands up. You got skillz though.
EXIGE 05-29-2006, 09:09 PM So I can tell your emulating Ricky Hatton. You have decent hands and good form. Are you amatuer ? Just try to keep your hands up more even shadow boxing so it becomes a habit. I'm sure if you train in a gym your trainer will tell you the same thing. I dont know if you have sparred yet but if you bring bad habits into your shadow boxing you will bring them into the ring and if your hands arent up you will get tagged. If you dont have a trainer yet and you do get one I guarantee you the first thing he will tell you is to keep your hands up. You got skillz though.
My hands were almost always up... :confused:
Yeah im amateur, and have a trainer, and done probably over 100 rounds sparring... I fair pretty well, but when I get beat badly even now, I know that the reason is because the opposition in my club is immense. We have dudes ranked in the top 20 of like 4 divisions... and I have sparred all of them apart from one.
mgkirkpatrick 05-29-2006, 11:26 PM yeah that was good man. v sharp left hand in particular jab. imo i would bring my guard up a lil and did your straight right look a lil funny? couldnt really tell from the video but it looked like it didnt really pack much shoulder. but impressed.
FeelTheA-Force 05-30-2006, 06:38 AM EXIGE i know for a FACT that i would floor you with a roundhouse kick. and i know id make u cry like A bitch with any kind of submission hold. even boxing id probably KO u.
fist off, im older than you. ive been training since i was 9 and i know how to take a fighter down. so dont show me your cockey ness.
peace out "BROTHER" :mad:
SquareCircle 05-30-2006, 07:05 AM EXIGE i know for a FACT that i would floor you with a roundhouse kick. and i know id make u cry like A bitch with any kind of submission hold. even boxing id probably KO u.
fist off, im older than you. ive been training since i was 9 and i know how to take a fighter down. so dont show me your cockey ness.
peace out "BROTHER" :mad:
who gives a ****.
Kwik-Swing 05-30-2006, 07:59 AM Nice man. Unlike some people here, Boxing is technique and not looks in my eyes. Keep up the good work.
EXIGE 05-30-2006, 08:35 AM EXIGE i know for a FACT that i would floor you with a roundhouse kick. and i know id make u cry like A bitch with any kind of submission hold. even boxing id probably KO u.
fist off, im older than you. ive been training since i was 9 and i know how to take a fighter down. so dont show me your cockey ness.
peace out "BROTHER" :mad:
Im sorry but you wouldnt. Im sparring some of the best fighters in this country for their divisions and they dont KO me, so some random "warrior" on the net isnt gonna change that. The closest I came to be knocked down even was when I was in with a guy that was 24kg heavier than me (which is at least 3 stone if not 4), I was extremely inexperienced, and he hit me with a massive left hook which shook me for a split second, until I pivoted out of the corner I was in, and then I was OK...
You gonna have to be pretty amazing to "KO" me, as you think. Watch when im fighting amateur all over this country... ill look out for you, and if you turn up ill fight you no problem. If im sparring someone a lot heavier than me, do you think im scared of you in a fight that you would be the same weight as me... :rolleyes:
GreatestIAM 05-30-2006, 01:45 PM Ok here's a clip of me shadow boxing. Its really really poor quality, but gets better as it goes on, the reason being that it is from my phone... piece of shit. :rolleyes:
Anyways... I dont want any discussions on it, because I already know that it is elite. :D
Me Shadow Boxing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRarwJ9S_qw)
Oh yeah and the reason it was too short was because my 3gp converter wasnt converting the whole ****ing file, only like 40 seconds or something, so I just had to put up with that.
Peace. :cool:
from watchin the vid i can see you have technique but i can already tell you lack power and GREAT speed, you seem to be a descent puncher, but your movement lacked and you didnt seem to be on your toes as much, keep workin ima post some of my shit as soon as i get a good camera if you have an suggestions on cameras id appreciate it
FeelTheA-Force 05-30-2006, 01:47 PM from watchin the vid i can see you have technique but i can already tell you lack power and GREAT speed, you seem to be a descent puncher, but your movement lacked and you didnt seem to be on your toes as much, keep workin ima post some of my shit as soon as i get a good camera if you have an suggestions on cameras id appreciate it
EXIGE GOT OWNED!!!!!!!!!!!
JerryJigsaw 05-30-2006, 01:49 PM no he didnt, he received criticism.
SquareCircle 05-30-2006, 01:49 PM good to watch. you gonna be crazy technically proficient in a few years if you keep it up, the speed and power isnt near as important to me as form and technical ability is, of course my style is pure boxer so maybe im biased.
FeelTheA-Force 05-30-2006, 01:57 PM Im sorry but you wouldnt. Im sparring some of the best fighters in this country for their divisions and they dont KO me, so some random "warrior" on the net isnt gonna change that. The closest I came to be knocked down even was when I was in with a guy that was 24kg heavier than me (which is at least 3 stone if not 4), I was extremely inexperienced, and he hit me with a massive left hook which shook me for a split second, until I pivoted out of the corner I was in, and then I was OK...
You gonna have to be pretty amazing to "KO" me, as you think. Watch when im fighting amateur all over this country... ill look out for you, and if you turn up ill fight you no problem. If im sparring someone a lot heavier than me, do you think im scared of you in a fight that you would be the same weight as me... :rolleyes:
who ever sed i had to beat ya ass conventionally in a boxing ring. id beat ya ass where i can use my legs. ive trained in muay thai and sparred some of the best kickboxers in my area. i the point is. your a twat coz your so cockey. with your video clip. dont give me this bollocks of "ive sparred the best guys in the country"
i been in wars wid manz in the street. council estates is where its out brother. knives and 5 on 2's is what its all about.
can you take a clean punch to the face while 3 ppl are holding down your face. i dont think so. the "hood" as its termed is what makes a man.
listen sparring, is to gain technique. have you ever beat up sum1? full force bare knuckle?? hmm dont think so..
EXIGE 05-30-2006, 02:18 PM from watchin the vid i can see you have technique but i can already tell you lack power and GREAT speed, you seem to be a descent puncher, but your movement lacked and you didnt seem to be on your toes as much, keep workin ima post some of my shit as soon as i get a good camera if you have an suggestions on cameras id appreciate it
In fact my power is "too much", for my weight, according to my trainer. They make me sparr taller, heavier people in sparring or people of much higher skill level than me so I dont get a chance to land my big shots. I got put in with a boy who had boxed longer than me but was worse than me apparently, and I basically won easy in sparring, and now they refuse to put me in with him - the reason given was that "the power difference is too much". The boy is my weight. Go figure. :rolleyes:
Anyway, I expected this comment, because shadow boxing doesnt show power, it shows technique and balance and things like that. Wait until you see a clip of me hitting the heavy bag and then tell me I dont have power. I have more power than some people 2 weights heavier than me... trust me on that. :cool:
EXIGE 05-30-2006, 02:19 PM who ever sed i had to beat ya ass conventionally in a boxing ring. id beat ya ass where i can use my legs. ive trained in muay thai and sparred some of the best kickboxers in my area. i the point is. your a twat coz your so cockey. with your video clip. dont give me this bollocks of "ive sparred the best guys in the country"
i been in wars wid manz in the street. council estates is where its out brother. knives and 5 on 2's is what its all about.
can you take a clean punch to the face while 3 ppl are holding down your face. i dont think so. the "hood" as its termed is what makes a man.
listen sparring, is to gain technique. have you ever beat up sum1? full force bare knuckle?? hmm dont think so..
You're a pussy, straight up. You snitched to the police about a low level drug dealer in your area, with nothing to gain...
Dont talk to me about your street fights, and dont try and lecture me on it, firstly because im not interested and anyone who gets in as many street fights as you make out you have been in, is a straight tard anyway.
EXIGE 05-30-2006, 02:21 PM good to watch. you gonna be crazy technically proficient in a few years if you keep it up, the speed and power isnt near as important to me as form and technical ability is, of course my style is pure boxer so maybe im biased.
Thanks mate, yeah im dedicated to this sport, it has near on taken my life over in the past year or so, so I plan on getting to a reasonable amateur standard, thats all. :)
cobracore 05-30-2006, 02:27 PM who ever sed i had to beat ya ass conventionally in a boxing ring. id beat ya ass where i can use my legs. ive trained in muay thai and sparred some of the best kickboxers in my area. i the point is. your a twat coz your so cockey. with your video clip. dont give me this bollocks of "ive sparred the best guys in the country"
i been in wars wid manz in the street. council estates is where its out brother. knives and 5 on 2's is what its all about.
can you take a clean punch to the face while 3 ppl are holding down your face. i dont think so. the "hood" as its termed is what makes a man.
listen sparring, is to gain technique. have you ever beat up sum1? full force bare knuckle?? hmm dont think so..
Knives and 5 on 2s? This is a boxing forum man. It's not an MMA forum, and it sure ain't a forum where you talk about how thuggish or gangster you are. Because you know what? Yes, you can beat someone if you have a knife, but that's like saying i could kill you if i could shoot energy balls from my had.
It's all talk.
Shuttup. If you wanna give constructive crit, fine, but there's no place for this bullshit in a BOXING forum.
2tough? maybe. Not too smart though.
Anyways, Exige, you look good. You're probably more knowledgable than me, so don't take this as criticism, it's a genuine question - if you pull back your left shoulder after you jab, isn't that sorta like 'telegraphing'?
EXIGE 05-30-2006, 02:38 PM Knives and 5 on 2s? This is a boxing forum man. It's not an MMA forum, and it sure ain't a forum where you talk about how thuggish or gangster you are. Because you know what? Yes, you can beat someone if you have a knife, but that's like saying i could kill you if i could shoot energy balls from my had.
It's all talk.
Shuttup. If you wanna give constructive crit, fine, but there's no place for this bullshit in a BOXING forum.
2tough? maybe. Not too smart though.
Anyways, Exige, you look good. You're probably more knowledgable than me, so don't take this as criticism, it's a genuine question - if you pull back your left shoulder after you jab, isn't that sorta like 'telegraphing'?
Dont be afraid to criticse me bro, I dont wanna scare people away or anything... I just cant take the rudeness of people like 2tough and the blatently wrong comments from people like they havent even watched my video.
But to answer your point, yeah I guess you are right there, moving your shoulder back is telegraphing, however you have to balance it all out and find what you think is the best thing. Put it this way, I may be telegraphing but I am also landing... so it cant be too bad. Also if your jab beforehand is effective, then the slight shoulder movement should go undetected, depending on how quick you do it. If you rip it to the body there is a low chance that they are gonna get out of the way, from my experience anyway. People can slip the head shots, but when it comes to the body people arent so good I find. Also you have to think in terms of practicality. Try and do a jab-left hook without slightly tilting your left shoulder, and you soon find out how difficult it is to do it with the same speed.
In short, I would agree with you, that you are telegraphing your shot, but with an effective jabs, and perhaps some feints beforehand, you are always keeping the opponent guessing. Also from that position you can easily roll under shots.
So imagine I throw the jab, load back ready to throw the left hook, and they see that and throw a coutner left hook of their own, you are then in the perfect position to counter their shot and come back with a straight right. Thats my opinion on it... :)
FeelTheA-Force 05-30-2006, 03:58 PM 10,925 (28.14 posts per day)
for a 17 year old. it seems all your life is at BoxingScene.com
Manfredo Jr 05-30-2006, 04:57 PM hahaha please dont make me laff. your 10 fuking stone. thats just a joke for sum1 your age.
I can box, and i can fight. im not limited to just boxing, i can kick too. so i guess u dont know much do u.
im 16, 17 in 5 months , and im only 53 or 54kg and thts me been puting on weight , when i first started boxing i was dead on 50kg was under 8 stone sometyms
FeelTheA-Force 05-30-2006, 04:59 PM im 16, 17 in 5 months , and im only 53 or 54kg and thts me been puting on weight , when i first started boxing i was dead on 50kg was under 8 stone sometyms
WELL i consider 8-9-10 stone to be skinney.
skinney ppl tend not to have power. plus they get out muscled EASILY
Manfredo Jr 05-30-2006, 05:02 PM Im sorry but you wouldnt. Im sparring some of the best fighters in this country for their divisions and they dont KO me, so some random "warrior" on the net isnt gonna change that. The closest I came to be knocked down even was when I was in with a guy that was 24kg heavier than me (which is at least 3 stone if not 4), I was extremely inexperienced, and he hit me with a massive left hook which shook me for a split second, until I pivoted out of the corner I was in, and then I was OK...
You gonna have to be pretty amazing to "KO" me, as you think. Watch when im fighting amateur all over this country... ill look out for you, and if you turn up ill fight you no problem. If im sparring someone a lot heavier than me, do you think im scared of you in a fight that you would be the same weight as me... :rolleyes:
are then any pros at your gym Exige?
Manfredo Jr 05-30-2006, 05:08 PM WELL i consider 8-9-10 stone to be skinney.
skinney ppl tend not to have power. plus they get out muscled EASILY
thts shit , you dont know what ur talking about cos power comes from speed. light peaple tend to be alot faster than heavier i aint saying someone like eric morales is gonna hit as hard as mike tyson did but you would be surprised how hard some "skinney" peaple can hit , anyways even if they coulnt hit hard it would not matter cos you dont fight peaple heavier than you i duno about where ur from but around my area we dont usually give more than 1kg in a fight.
FeelTheA-Force 05-30-2006, 05:13 PM thts shit , you dont know what ur talking about cos power comes from speed. light peaple tend to be alot faster than heavier i aint saying someone like eric morales is gonna hit as hard as mike tyson did but you would be surprised how hard some "skinney" peaple can hit , anyways even if they coulnt hit hard it would not matter cos you dont fight peaple heavier than you i duno about where ur from but around my area we dont usually give more than 1kg in a fight.
when i was sparring for the first time. he was at least a heaveyweight if not crusier, while i was just under lt heavy
Manfredo Jr 05-30-2006, 05:16 PM when i was SPARRING for the first time. he was at least a heaveyweight if not crusier, while i was just under lt heavy
i didnt mention sparring , i said in a fight..........
FeelTheA-Force 05-30-2006, 05:18 PM i didnt mention sparring , i said in a fight..........
i dont wanna fight amatuer. i dont have the time for a boxing carreer. train to get fit. sparr to hold me own if i ever need to out on the street.
ive beat up 6 foot guy. but thats bcoz he hit my bro
Manfredo Jr 05-30-2006, 05:51 PM i dont wanna fight amatuer. i dont have the time for a boxing carreer. train to get fit. sparr to hold me own if i ever need to out on the street.
ive beat up 6 foot guy. but thats bcoz he hit my bro
ok..
kthnxbyenw :D
Yaman 05-30-2006, 06:28 PM You look like you can put up a pretty fast combo i guess. Keep it up.
EXIGE 05-30-2006, 06:29 PM 10,925 (28.14 posts per day)
for a 17 year old. it seems all your life is at BoxingScene.com
Really? this is coming from the little bitch that takes everything to heart when this is the internet, and this is a boxing forum. Crying every 5 seconds to the mods about this and that. Just stfu, you're the biggest tool outside of Bloodshed on this site.
EXIGE 05-30-2006, 06:30 PM are then any pros at your gym Exige?
Nah man, no pro's, but a few have visited our gym and one of the dudes who fights out of our gym is turning pro soon I believe. :)
Manfredo Jr 05-30-2006, 06:32 PM Nah man, no pro's, but a few have visited our gym and one of the dudes who fights out of our gym is turning pro soon I believe. :)
kool , keep me updated on tht man ;)
PunchDrunk 05-30-2006, 07:28 PM Exige how many fights do you have?
2tough, this is a boxing forum, your knives and roundhouse kicks don't belong here. And you're the one who's being cocky and talking shit, so please leave the boxers, who want to BOX and therefore deserve to be here, alone and go find a thug forum.
EXIGE 05-30-2006, 07:45 PM Exige how many fights do you have?
2tough, this is a boxing forum, your knives and roundhouse kicks don't belong here. And you're the one who's being cocky and talking shit, so please leave the boxers, who want to BOX and therefore deserve to be here, alone and go find a thug forum.
Absolutely none, but it doesnt bother me. My trainer told me im almost guaranteed to win my first fight, and I want to go far in amateur boxing so I dont want to jump in prematurely and lose, then lose confidence and give up. What did you think of the video.
And I agree with you about 2tough.
MR. V 05-30-2006, 07:55 PM nice technique, just saw the clip. nice work mann. :cool:
EXIGE 05-30-2006, 07:57 PM nice technique, just saw the clip. nice work mann. :cool:
Thanks bro. :cool:
SquareCircle 05-30-2006, 08:06 PM Exige you got me working on a new move with those shadowboxing vids... the combination im referring to goes jab, then I throw the left uppercut and move my head down,to the right and then back up and come up with a big right uppercut. Before I watched those vids, I did something like that, but left my head out of the equation and i can tell you get much more leverage and power in that shot when you place your head over to the right part of your body after throwing a left uppercut. the torque is like double what it was on the shot now... Ive never been to a boxing gym, so it helped.
& what you say makes a whole hell of alot of sense, when I shadowbox alot of times I concern myself with power and speed but technique is so much more important ,now I realize it..Power and speed can come later,technique/form is way more important than those things.
Zamora 05-30-2006, 08:12 PM ure too square on when throwing the left jab, you would be an easy target when throwing that jab.
EXIGE 05-30-2006, 08:13 PM Exige you got me working on a new move with those shadowboxing vids... the combination im referring to goes jab, then I throw the left uppercut and move my head down,to the right and then back up and come up with a big right uppercut. Before I watched those vids, I did something like that, but left my head out of the equation and i can tell you get much more leverage and power in that shot when you place your head over to the right part of your body after throwing a left uppercut. the torque is like double what it was... Ive never been to a boxing gym, so it helped.
& what you say makes a whole hell of alot of sense, when I shadowbox alot of times I concern myself with power and speed but technique is so much more important ,now I realize it..Power and speed can come later,technique/form is way more important than those things.
Absolutely my man. Go to any boxing gym and they will tell you, "go home and shadow box what you have learnt today". You dont learn power in the gym as such, its all about the technique. Floyd Mayweather as a prime example, he knocks his opponents out with clean shots to the head. Ok he hasnt got one shot KO power, but because he can land so clean and so often he wins his fights and is now regarded as one of the best fighters around today.
One of the best pieces of advice you can ever receive, in my opinion, is to not concentrate on the power. When George Foreman was commentating for HBO in one of Prince Naseem Hamed's fights he said "you dont learn power in the gym, that comes naturally. When you start trying to learn power that is when you start to lose". Power means shit in the amateurs anyway, its all about how many times you can pat the opponent on the head pretty much... :cool:
Having said all that, I never neglect to use power. You can discourage an opponent real quick with one nice solid jab. After that they dont wanna know and you can just step on the gas and finish them off.
Keep practicing and shadow boxing in your spare time, and I guarantee you will get better. :)
EXIGE 05-30-2006, 08:14 PM ure too square on when throwing the left jab, you would be an easy target when throwing that jab.
Good point, and that is actually something I have been working on getting better at. :)
SlightlyStoopid 05-30-2006, 10:40 PM My hands were almost always up... :confused:
Yeah im amateur, and have a trainer, and done probably over 100 rounds sparring... I fair pretty well, but when I get beat badly even now, I know that the reason is because the opposition in my club is immense. We have dudes ranked in the top 20 of like 4 divisions... and I have sparred all of them apart from one.
We have top 10 fighters as well as the #1 Super Heavyweight in the country, but its nice to have quality fighters to look up to in a gym, its also a good indicator of quality in the coaches there.
:boxing:
Kwik-Swing 05-30-2006, 10:49 PM Well ofcourse there are a few flaws, but in 2-3 years he can go pretty far I think. Great technique.
EXIGE 05-30-2006, 11:13 PM We have top 10 fighters as well as the #1 Super Heavyweight in the country, but its nice to have quality fighters to look up to in a gym, its also a good indicator of quality in the coaches there.
:boxing:
Are you from the UK? If so, which gym do you fight out of man? :)
Zamora 05-31-2006, 06:03 AM the first thing that i was told when i went into a boxing gym is that speed is power - and to who ever did it, why you hating on a kid who you think is too skinny - suprisingly they do have wweight categories below heavyweight. EXIGE what gym do you go to?
PunchDrunk 05-31-2006, 06:54 AM Absolutely none, but it doesnt bother me. My trainer told me im almost guaranteed to win my first fight, and I want to go far in amateur boxing so I dont want to jump in prematurely and lose, then lose confidence and give up. What did you think of the video.
And I agree with you about 2tough.
If you have no fights, then you look really good. Of course shadow boxing doesn't show a lot of things, like how well you read your opponent, how your tactics are, and your power, but you look technically sound for a rookie. With hard work and dedication, you can be really good if your heads screwed on right for it.
Pugnacious_Z 05-31-2006, 08:50 AM oh, your real smart punchdrunk, your saying how good a person is at boxing by ****ing shadow boxing, any1 can hit the fukin air
Pugnacious_Z 05-31-2006, 08:55 AM i dont know why everyone is reacting as if hes perfect or something. he looks like a normal person who boxes, nuthing really special like the way youse are describing, im thinking alot of ppl on these forums suck pretty bad
EXIGE 05-31-2006, 09:48 AM the first thing that i was told when i went into a boxing gym is that speed is power - and to who ever did it, why you hating on a kid who you think is too skinny - suprisingly they do have wweight categories below heavyweight. EXIGE what gym do you go to?
You may know it if you are in England.
New Addington A.B.C
EXIGE 05-31-2006, 09:49 AM If you have no fights, then you look really good. Of course shadow boxing doesn't show a lot of things, like how well you read your opponent, how your tactics are, and your power, but you look technically sound for a rookie. With hard work and dedication, you can be really good if your heads screwed on right for it.
Thanks, yeah im ready to commit a lot of time to training, and already have in fact. I put training as one of my higher priorities, and have missed 2 sessions in just under a year.
:)
EXIGE 05-31-2006, 09:50 AM i dont know why everyone is reacting as if hes perfect or something. he looks like a normal person who boxes, nuthing really special like the way youse are describing, im thinking alot of ppl on these forums suck pretty bad
Oh well, there will always be a hater, but thanks for watching my clip anyway.
PunchDrunk 05-31-2006, 09:51 AM oh, your real smart punchdrunk, your saying how good a person is at boxing by ****ing shadow boxing, any1 can hit the fukin air
Maybe if you took a moment and actually read what I said, instead of getting pissed at me for disagreeing with you elsewhere?
What I'm saying is that he looks pretty technically sound for a rookie. If you want something to look at as a bad example, look at 2tough's video, or that dude hitting the punching bag. Exige's way better, technically than them.
What shadowboxing doesn't show, is how well he can transfer that, when there's an opponent in front of him, which I said in my post. I guess it went swoooosh.... over your head?
EXIGE 05-31-2006, 09:54 AM Maybe if you took a moment and actually read what I said, instead of getting pissed at me for disagreeing with you elsewhere?
What I'm saying is that he looks pretty technically sound for a rookie. If you want something to look at as a bad example, look at 2tough's video, or that dude hitting the punching bag. Exige's way better, technically than them.
What shadowboxing doesn't show, is how well he can transfer that, when there's an opponent in front of him, which I said in my post. I guess it went swoooosh.... over your head?
I agree with you there. Sometimes people can get carried away by how good others look on the heavy bag, shadow boxing or hitting the mitts, and then when it comes to sparring they get scared etc. Well, I will tell you this now, my sparring sessions are difficult for me, but only when I sparr the good ones in the gym. I have only been there less than a year, and am already sparring the best ones in the club who have been there 6 years etc. :cool:
Rane-Ex54 05-31-2006, 11:02 AM I think people need to put there meathead ego's aside and recognize that Exige has some decent skills. He's young too, so he has time for growth and a career. Good Luck Bro.
EXIGE 05-31-2006, 11:10 AM I think people need to put there meathead ego's aside and recognize that Exige has some decent skills. He's young too, so he has time for growth and a career. Good Luck Bro.
Thanks mate, you box too? :)
RAESAAD 05-31-2006, 11:12 AM Thanks mate, you box too? :)
You look pretty good kid......Keep it up you may be the next Calzaghe without being a sheep shagger. :D
EXIGE 05-31-2006, 11:13 AM You look pretty good kid......Keep it up you may be the next Calzaghe without being a sheep shagger. :D
Haha, someone has been learning from Anorak. :rolleyes:
:D
Rane-Ex54 05-31-2006, 11:35 AM Thanks mate, you box too? :)
I trained at a professional kickboxing gym for 2 years when I was in college, but then quit because of my job & money. Just recently (in March) I started to excesivily diet and train again. Seems like once you get a taste of boxing it never leaves you. I'm not planning on fighting, but always want to be fight ready. Only 24, so it could still be an option, but you're in a much better situation than most with your age and skill level. It's good you have quality sparring partners too. That helps alot.
Peace
EXIGE 05-31-2006, 11:40 AM I trained at a professional kickboxing gym for 2 years when I was in college, but then quit because of my job & money. Just recently (in March) I started to excesivily diet and train again. Seems like once you get a taste of boxing it never leaves you. I'm not planning on fighting, but always want to be fight ready. Only 24, so it could still be an option, but you're in a much better situation than most with your age and skill level. It's good you have quality sparring partners too. That helps alot.
Peace
Yeah 24 is a time when you will be at some of your best physical fitness, you could still achieve something at amateur still. Dont forget that some people turn pro at 30+, but if you are earning now, I dont think you would want to change your whole lifestyle, right?
Yeah im 17, nearly 18, and I try my best to progress quickly in boxing. I train extra hard on everything, and am always thinking of ways to beat someone who may have beaten me before in sparring. Im really happy that I have the sparring partners I have, because the way I see it, by the time I get to their level im gonna be soo ****ing good, and by sparring higher level dudes you learn much more in a shorter space of time I find.
Peace. :boxing:
RAESAAD 05-31-2006, 11:41 AM Haha, someone has been learning from Anorak. :rolleyes:
:D
No.....I knew about that before he told me. :D
Rockin' 05-31-2006, 01:25 PM Not bad exige. You could turn your hips into the shots abit more to generate power. But you had good rythme and threw your punches fairly well man, good job. I would say that you have had some experience in the gym, am I right?
Rockin' :boxing:
enadeus 05-31-2006, 03:24 PM Not bad exige. You could turn your hips into the shots abit more to generate power. But you had good rythme and threw your punches fairly well man, good job. I would say that you have had some experience in the gym, am I right?
Rockin' :boxing:
I agree with everything he said.
enadeus :boxing:
EXIGE 05-31-2006, 05:38 PM Not bad exige. You could turn your hips into the shots abit more to generate power. But you had good rythme and threw your punches fairly well man, good job. I would say that you have had some experience in the gym, am I right?
Rockin' :boxing:
Yes sir, and point taken.
Im working on, better slipping, better rythm when it comes to pressuring, hands always up when throwing big left hooks etc, and turning hips too... Although I did turn my hips into the shots a fair bit - the straight right in particular is one shot which I am working on doing that better. :)
Pugnacious_Z 06-01-2006, 02:43 AM hey exige, i think ur pretty alright, im not hating, im just saying that some ppl were exagerating
EXIGE 06-01-2006, 07:49 AM hey exige, i think ur pretty alright, im not hating, im just saying that some ppl were exagerating
Ok, thats cool by me. I have received a few criticisms. One or two of them im working on improving so this is constructive to me either way. :cool:
GreatestIAM 06-01-2006, 06:45 PM exige what did you use to record and post your vid? i get paid today and wanna post some shit so i need to buy what you have
GreatestIAM 06-01-2006, 06:46 PM NVm it from your phone
EXIGE 06-01-2006, 06:48 PM NVm it from your phone
Yes sir, my shit phone. Go out and buy a digital camera that does recording...
fraidycat 06-01-2006, 07:01 PM I just watched this. I think you look good. Your form looks disciplined; it's obvious you've put some time in. I hope I can throw like that someday. I wish I could see your feet, though -- just for my own education.
The only thing I noticed that I would comment on -- strictly from a constructive point of view -- is your cadence. Your punches seem to be coming in a strict rhythm, particularly the jab/cross combo, which comes at the same speed almost every time. Even the pauses between combinations are rhythmic; I can literally tap my foot in time with your attacks on the video. (Did you have music playing?) I'd think it would make you easier for an experienced fighter to anticipate -- I came into boxing from fencing, and a lot of guys I'd fence would get "hypnotized" by the sound of the blades clashing, and fall into a rhythm, and I'd simply figure out their timing and counter. I've had moderate success with this approach in boxing so far, so I try to change up the speed and cadence of my combinations as much as possible.
Of course, I've only been at this for a few months, so it'll be awhile before I have the sack to post video of myself. Kudos.
EXIGE 06-01-2006, 09:49 PM I just watched this. I think you look good. Your form looks disciplined; it's obvious you've put some time in. I hope I can throw like that someday. I wish I could see your feet, though -- just for my own education.
The only thing I noticed that I would comment on -- strictly from a constructive point of view -- is your cadence. Your punches seem to be coming in a strict rhythm, particularly the jab/cross combo, which comes at the same speed almost every time. Even the pauses between combinations are rhythmic; I can literally tap my foot in time with your attacks on the video. (Did you have music playing?) I'd think it would make you easier for an experienced fighter to anticipate -- I came into boxing from fencing, and a lot of guys I'd fence would get "hypnotized" by the sound of the blades clashing, and fall into a rhythm, and I'd simply figure out their timing and counter. I've had moderate success with this approach in boxing so far, so I try to change up the speed and cadence of my combinations as much as possible.
Of course, I've only been at this for a few months, so it'll be awhile before I have the sack to post video of myself. Kudos.
Nah no music playing, but then again I wouldnt say having rhythm is bad in boxing. :)
EDIT: Ill post a video soon so you can see my feet also.
fraidycat 06-02-2006, 01:21 AM Nah no music playing, but then again I wouldnt say having rhythm is bad in boxing. :)
I'm not saying it's bad; don't get me wrong. You might just want to think about changing it up a little more. JMO, your mileage may vary. :boxing:
Rockin' 06-02-2006, 01:26 AM I just watched this. I think you look good. Your form looks disciplined; it's obvious you've put some time in. I hope I can throw like that someday. I wish I could see your feet, though -- just for my own education.
The only thing I noticed that I would comment on -- strictly from a constructive point of view -- is your cadence. Your punches seem to be coming in a strict rhythm, particularly the jab/cross combo, which comes at the same speed almost every time. Even the pauses between combinations are rhythmic; I can literally tap my foot in time with your attacks on the video. (Did you have music playing?) I'd think it would make you easier for an experienced fighter to anticipate -- I came into boxing from fencing, and a lot of guys I'd fence would get "hypnotized" by the sound of the blades clashing, and fall into a rhythm, and I'd simply figure out their timing and counter. I've had moderate success with this approach in boxing so far, so I try to change up the speed and cadence of my combinations as much as possible.
Of course, I've only been at this for a few months, so it'll be awhile before I have the sack to post video of myself. Kudos.
Fraidycat, those were some of the most insightfull words I've read on this forum. Im impresssed big time!
Rockin' :boxing:
EXIGE 06-02-2006, 09:30 AM I'm not saying it's bad; don't get me wrong. You might just want to think about changing it up a little more. JMO, your mileage may vary. :boxing:
Ill bare it in mind. Thanks for watching my video and trying to help me out. :)
yrrej 06-04-2006, 12:10 AM You shouldn't stand in one spot like that. How do you know it's elite? You've been in the ring with Mayweather?
Smokin' 06-04-2006, 12:13 AM Exige, you look good bro. I want to see you when your lateral movement and I want to see if you can fight backwards. Post up a sparring session, and/or a fight.
Smokin' 06-04-2006, 12:15 AM BTW, Exige. My best compliment towards you is that you are not trying to be something that you are not. Alot of guys here or at other gyms try to fight like their idols or professional boxing stars. I like how you're really disciplined and you stick to the basics and you don't try to be something that you are not. That will make you go a long way.
VERSATILE2K9 06-04-2006, 12:23 AM BTW, Exige. My best compliment towards you is that you are not trying to be something that you are not. Alot of guys here or at other gyms try to fight like their idols or professional boxing stars. I like how you're really disciplined and you stick to the basics and you don't try to be something that you are not. That will make you go a long way.
hey hey hey. aint nuttin wrong with fightin like your other boxers. my style is a little different from tysons. cause i fight in the inside also(sorry tyson) :o
Smokin' 06-04-2006, 12:24 AM hey hey hey. aint nuttin wrong with fightin like your other boxers. my style is a little different from tysons. cause i fight in the inside also(sorry tyson) :o
I do think you are somewhat of a poser, though. No offense ;)
EXIGE 06-04-2006, 06:08 AM Wow, people are still talking about this haha, thats great.
As far as my sparring sessions go, im gonna be straight up honest here... When I sparr real good guys I get beat easy, but actually recently I have been doing a load of good shit, managing to get my shots off real nice, but there are a lot of fighters in my gym that are so awkward to fight. And to add to that you barely ever sparr just one person. You sparr one person, try and figure them out, then the next round you get chucked in with someone who does stuff completely differently.
Having said all that, there are a lot of people in my club that if I step in the ring with them, they cant touch me, and I just own the ring from that point. It just the ones that have fought in the Golden Gloves tournaments and are ranked in the top 10 and stuff, that I have difficulty with. But thats expected, right? I have boxed just under a year now I think, and these people have had 10+ bouts maybe even 20+ and have beaten a lot of good people... I have had none.
JDizzle79 06-04-2006, 06:12 AM Wow, people are still talking about this haha, thats great.
As far as my sparring sessions go, im gonna be straight up honest here... When I sparr real good guys I get beat easy, but actually recently I have been doing a load of good shit, managing to get my shots off real nice, but there are a lot of fighters in my gym that are so awkward to fight. And to add to that you barely ever sparr just one person. You sparr one person, try and figure them out, then the next round you get chucked in with someone who does stuff completely differently.
Having said all that, there are a lot of people in my club that if I step in the ring with them, they cant touch me, and I just own the ring from that point. It just the ones that have fought in the Golden Gloves tournaments and are ranked in the top 10 and stuff, that I have difficulty with. But thats expected, right? I have boxed just under a year now I think, and these people have had 10+ bouts maybe even 20+ and have beaten a lot of good people... I have had none.
you seem to be pretty good
SquareCircle 06-04-2006, 11:18 AM Wow, people are still talking about this haha, thats great.
As far as my sparring sessions go, im gonna be straight up honest here... When I sparr real good guys I get beat easy, but actually recently I have been doing a load of good shit, managing to get my shots off real nice, but there are a lot of fighters in my gym that are so awkward to fight. And to add to that you barely ever sparr just one person. You sparr one person, try and figure them out, then the next round you get chucked in with someone who does stuff completely differently.
Having said all that, there are a lot of people in my club that if I step in the ring with them, they cant touch me, and I just own the ring from that point. It just the ones that have fought in the Golden Gloves tournaments and are ranked in the top 10 and stuff, that I have difficulty with. But thats expected, right? I have boxed just under a year now I think, and these people have had 10+ bouts maybe even 20+ and have beaten a lot of good people... I have had none.
You're very lucky to be from an area where you can access a good boxing gym with so much good competition. Around baton rouge,la, where I live...They are extremely sparse. Football and Basketball are the sports around here. This morning I was looking up gyms in baton rouge, hoping one of them would be open today...I was going to get started in one. I'm in shape enough ,I'm down to 287lbs, I weighed 325 at the end of april..I just want to learn the skills and see what whoever there thinks of me when they see my power and technique on the bag, I have a good jab. It's my best punch,sometimes when I go around my friends they embarrass me by asking me to throw the jab cuz they wanna see it.. It has the force of a straight right hand when I step into it, I dont know where it comes from its just a sick shot I possess.
Make some more vids Exige...I feel like learning something here since no gyms are open right now I can go to
EXIGE 06-04-2006, 11:21 AM You're very lucky to be from an area where you can access a good boxing gym with so much good competition. Around baton rouge,la, where I live...They are extremely sparse. Football and Basketball are the sports around here. This morning I was looking up gyms in baton rouge, hoping one of them would be open today...I was going to get started in one. I'm in shape enough ,I'm down to 287lbs, I weighed 325 at the end of april..I just want to learn the skills and see what whoever there thinks of me when they see my power and technique on the bag, I have a good jab. It's my best punch,sometimes when I go around my friends they embarrass me by asking me to throw the jab cuz they wanna see it.. It has the force of a straight right hand when I step into it, I dont know where it comes from its just a sick shot I possess.
Make some more vids Exige...I feel like learning something here since no gyms are open right now I can go to
Ok ill make a new one soon since they are in demand now. :D
:cool:
SquareCircle 06-04-2006, 11:22 AM Hey sup man...I want to see more of your lateral movement, it really is inspiring what will probably be my fighting style because I'm good at moving laterally for a big man and comin in with shots from those awkward positions.Plus it's fun to incorporate alot of head movement with the shadowboxing(For me)
EXIGE 06-04-2006, 11:55 AM Hey sup man...I want to see more of your lateral movement, it really is inspiring what will probably be my fighting style because I'm good at moving laterally for a big man and comin in with shots from those awkward positions.Plus it's fun to incorporate alot of head movement with the shadowboxing(For me)
The one that im gonna post up in a sec has a bit of that, I do a few side steps to the right hand side and fire straight right hands... the one im gonna post if it works is basically stuff im working on doing more of, so its a little sketchy, but its ok... some of the same, some new.
EXIGE 06-04-2006, 12:15 PM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSw6rQX01p0
A bit sketchy... but I tried to refine the technique just a little bit...
SquareCircle 06-04-2006, 12:36 PM was that a falling step you did towards the end?
excellent video, thanks
EXIGE 06-04-2006, 12:40 PM was that a falling step you did towards the end?
Tell me the minute:second and ill tell you what I did there haha.
SquareCircle 06-04-2006, 12:55 PM 2:05, i cant tell whether or not its a falling step because I cant see your legs. I've been working on this move called the falling step. If you already know about it sorry for babbling on like a fool, but I'll go ahead and say what it is just so the others who dont know and may read this will know.
Falling step,standin in orthodox stance i stand and lean a little forward but where all my weight is on my left leg and I'm standing on the ball of my right foot, not flatfooted. Then, move the left leg forward in like, a long jolt, and avoid distributing anythin to your right leg in the step. I've been messing around with it and my left foot is slamming on the floor with some conviction. Im playing around with it, I don't think I'm doing it right.. Dempsey said no fighters do it today, but claims that the fallin step can give you a 'knockout jab', i already thought i had a KO jab I can't even begin to imagine the force my jab will be if I can successfully incorporate this.
EXIGE 06-04-2006, 01:07 PM 2:05, i cant tell whether or not its a falling step because I cant see your legs. I've been working on this move called the falling step. If you already know about it sorry for babbling on like a fool, but I'll go ahead and say what it is just so the others who dont know and may read this will know.
Falling step,standin in orthodox stance i stand and lean a little forward but where all my weight is on my left leg and I'm standing on the ball of my right foot, not flatfooted. Then, move the left leg forward in like, a long jolt, and avoid distributing anythin to your right leg in the step. I've been messing around with it and my left foot is slamming on the floor with some conviction. Im playing around with it, I don't think I'm doing it right.. Dempsey said no fighters do it today, but claims that the fallin step can give you a 'knockout jab', i already thought i had a KO jab I can't even begin to imagine the force my jab will be if I can successfully incorporate this.
Ah ok, nah I have never done that, other than when I go right onto the balls off my feet in sparring if im up against someone who has lots of speed, because then it gives me a chance to get out of the way easier/quicker. I have never used it as an offensive move. :)
EXIGE 06-06-2006, 02:03 PM SquareCircle, you said you wanted to see my feet right?
Shadow Boxing To Song 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZUqKVqISV8)
Hope this helps...
Btw, im working on standing less square on. That is my next project haha. It will probably take me up until September to get that down perfectly, but that is when the next season starts. I reckon after I have that sorted I will be 200% better.
Anyway I hope you find that clip helpful. :boxing:
Yaman 06-06-2006, 02:10 PM Thats nothing. Anyone can do that. You'd think this guy would actually be tough by reading all the trash talking he brings to this site.
EXIGE 06-06-2006, 02:11 PM Thats nothing. Anyone can do that. You'd think this guy would actually be tough by reading all the trash talking he brings to this site.
:bottle:
Nobody told you to come into this thread, or this section. Notice how it says training and nutrition? You do neither.
Now get out.
SquareCircle, you said you wanted to see my feet right?
Shadow Boxing To Song 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZUqKVqISV8)
Hope this helps...
Btw, im working on standing less square on. That is my next project haha. It will probably take me up until September to get that down perfectly, but that is when the next season starts. I reckon after I have that sorted I will be 200% better.
Anyway I hope you find that clip helpful. :boxing:
Are you bending your fist down? It sure looks like your right fist will be bruised like a mother ****er if you punch like that.
Also you were punching low, like chest level on many occasions. You wont be fighting people that small.
How tall are you? When you sparred with the heavyweights they took it down to 5% yes?
EXIGE 06-06-2006, 02:17 PM Are you bending your fist down? It sure looks like your right fist will be bruised like a mother ****er if you punch like that.
How tall are you? When you sparred with the heavyweights they took it down to 5% yes?
Nah the video is of low quality, as you can see, so it makes my punches look odd here and there, especially the right like you said. It looks like my wrist goes all ****ed when I throw it doesnt it? Anyway, I dont throw the right like that, and have never injured myself training, so I guess its just the quality of the vid or something... :confused:
Im like 5'7, you can see from that vid. And when I sparred the heavyweights, they dont take it down to 5% at all lol! They are constantly reminded by the trainers "he is about 5 stone lighter than you so stop loading up", so they do that for like 30 seconds and then start loading up again...
In fact one of the last times I sparred a heavy, he clocked me with a massive left hook and the trainer just said "stop now", and that was the end of the round... But yeah, I feel the punches, and they feel mine. My punches are strong too, you know? :D
EDIT: The chest punches are a fault in my technique, not a purposeful thing. I mean to throw to the head all the time, but dont always release my fist horizontally. However, knowing these things is helping me, and all these films I have done have improved me a lot in just a week or whatever. I have a lot of faults still, and im in the process of ironing them out, whilst making my strengths even better. :)
Nah the video is of low quality, as you can see, so it makes my punches look odd here and there, especially the right like you said. It looks like my wrist goes all ****ed when I throw it doesnt it? Anyway, I dont throw the right like that, and have never injured myself training, so I guess its just the quality of the vid or something... :confused:
Im like 5'7, you can see from that vid. And when I sparred the heavyweights, they dont take it down to 5% at all lol! They are constantly reminded by the trainers "he is about 5 stone lighter than you so stop loading up", so they do that for like 30 seconds and then start loading up again...
In fact one of the last times I sparred a heavy, he clocked me with a massive left hook and the trainer just said "stop now", and that was the end of the round... But yeah, I feel the punches, and they feel mine. My punches are strong too, you know? :D
Your 5'7 probley weigh about 140 147 right?
You seriously spar with men that weigh 200++
Is that even legal?
EXIGE 06-06-2006, 02:20 PM Your 5'7 probley weigh about 140 147 right?
You seriously spar with men that weigh 200++
Is that even legal?
Well I dont know in lbs, but put it this way.
When I last sparred a heavy I was around 64kg, and he was 86kg. Work that out and thats your answer.
Cletus Funk 06-06-2006, 02:25 PM Well I dont know in lbs, but put it this way.
When I last sparred a heavy I was around 64kg, and he was 86kg. Work that out and thats your answer.
It's 190lb mate :)
EXIGE 06-06-2006, 02:39 PM It's 190lb mate :)
Yep 190 lb then... Thanks Frankie. :)
Yep 190 lb then... Thanks Frankie. :)
You weigh 141lbs and the Heavyweight (200lbs+) only weighed 190lbs.
still 50 lbs is a HUGE difference
Rockin' 06-06-2006, 02:49 PM I was 5'10 147 lbs. I wouldnt step in and spar heavies, I would step in and fight them.
Speed is a power in itself. Sure they had alot of force behind their blows, but nothing like the snap that Bronco McCart or Anthony Jones had. Size can be an advantage, but speed is the neutralizer.
Rockin' :boxing:
Rockin' 06-06-2006, 02:55 PM You looked alright man. Kind of did the same thing over and over again but you will learn.
Coaching type comments.
If your going to throw a punch then throw it complete and with proper form.
When you finally did dig some uppercuts you had your hands to close to your body. Punch away from your body, meaning get some diatance between the fist and yourself.
Never saw one, not one defensive movement. You know that when you finish firing at a guy that is when they return fire. Practice slipping and blocking and just getting out of the way. And counter.
Try moving to your right and throwing punches. When an orthadox fighter is able to do that it opens things up because most people only fight well while moving in one direction.
Keep practicing and youll be there. Thanks for sharing.
Rockin' :boxing:
sleazyfellow 06-06-2006, 03:45 PM Ok here's a clip of me shadow boxing. Its really really poor quality, but gets better as it goes on, the reason being that it is from my phone... piece of shit. :rolleyes:
Anyways... I dont want any discussions on it, because I already know that it is elite. :D
Me Shadow Boxing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRarwJ9S_qw)
Oh yeah and the reason it was too short was because my 3gp converter wasnt converting the whole ****ing file, only like 40 seconds or something, so I just had to put up with that.
Peace. :cool:
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u dont got nothing, dis fellow right here rules over u, amoung many others, like me, mr. kilograms, i weigh in the pounds, and drip and drape like none other, u suck, stop boxing, take up kratey, and learn how to break boards
EXIGE 06-06-2006, 03:46 PM You looked alright man. Kind of did the same thing over and over again but you will learn.
Coaching type comments.
If your going to throw a punch then throw it complete and with proper form.
When you finally did dig some uppercuts you had your hands to close to your body. Punch away from your body, meaning get some diatance between the fist and yourself.
Never saw one, not one defensive movement. You know that when you finish firing at a guy that is when they return fire. Practice slipping and blocking and just getting out of the way. And counter.
Try moving to your right and throwing punches. When an orthadox fighter is able to do that it opens things up because most people only fight well while moving in one direction.
Keep practicing and youll be there. Thanks for sharing.
Rockin' :boxing:
Ok thanks for the advice, ill take that into consideration.
And Hous, believe it, because what im telling you is the god given truth. If I could then I would prove it to you, but I dont see how I can, other than if you have msn, ill add the kid that I sparred into the conversation whilst you are there and he will tell you himself what happened... when I speak about my stuff I dont lie...
EXIGE 06-06-2006, 03:47 PM <object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/IM9iQ573Cik"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/IM9iQ573Cik" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>
u dont got nothing, dis fellow right here rules over u, amoung many others, like me, mr. kilograms, i weigh in the pounds, and drip and drape like none other, u suck, stop boxing, take up kratey, and learn how to break boards
You can stop coming into my threads now. :cool:
FeelTheA-Force 06-06-2006, 03:56 PM Well I dont know in lbs, but put it this way.
When I last sparred a heavy I was around 64kg, and he was 86kg. Work that out and thats your answer.
you dont know what your talking about.
im 13.5 stone currently due to my inactivity. the guy is 84kg thats near my weight.
and i aint no heavy weight. im between lt heavy and cruiser.
dont lie to us saying your a light welter. your the same weight as NAZFAN. which is super bantam or bantam weight. no more no less
sleazyfellow 06-06-2006, 04:16 PM ill go n come as i please u brit, i weigh about 18 stone+ a pebble so im mo bigger than u, u tiny boy, u 17 year old wanka, thats what ur used to hearing though right, wanker, so just shut up and ill post threads in youre threads if i like, cause i got it like that ho, just ignore me if ur tired of being OWNED, cause thats what i do, own ye little one
Rockin' 06-06-2006, 04:37 PM ill go n come as i please u brit, i weigh about 18 stone+ a pebble so im mo bigger than u, u tiny boy, u 17 year old wanka, thats what ur used to hearing though right, wanker, so just shut up and ill post threads in youre threads if i like, cause i got it like that ho, just ignore me if ur tired of being OWNED, cause thats what i do, own ye little one
I eerily find that I read his responses. To the quick he will never beat around a bush. His color is red, not green, blue nor yellow. Hes comes with it hard and he comes with it straight, thats one SleazyFellow!
Rockin' :boxing:
EXIGE 06-06-2006, 04:37 PM ill go n come as i please u brit, i weigh about 18 stone+ a pebble so im mo bigger than u, u tiny boy, u 17 year old wanka, thats what ur used to hearing though right, wanker, so just shut up and ill post threads in youre threads if i like, cause i got it like that ho, just ignore me if ur tired of being OWNED, cause thats what i do, own ye little one
No you just come into my threads and dish out self ownage, like the highlighted bit of your last post.
Back to kindergarten for you.
EXIGE 06-06-2006, 04:38 PM you dont know what your talking about.
im 13.5 stone currently due to my inactivity. the guy is 84kg thats near my weight.
and i aint no heavy weight. im between lt heavy and cruiser.
dont lie to us saying your a light welter. your the same weight as NAZFAN. which is super bantam or bantam weight. no more no less
Im 64kg, again, why would I lie about my weight? :confused:
sleazyfellow 06-06-2006, 04:44 PM im surry about self ownage, ill type perfekty normal from nowz onz, proper english from now on oiu? oIU!
EXIGE 06-06-2006, 05:08 PM im surry about self ownage, ill type perfekty normal from nowz onz, proper english from now on oiu? oIU!
No im not telling anyone to do anything. But when you come in here claiming that you "own" people, with the spelling of a 5 year old, its hardly surprising that I warn you of your own "self-ownage's"... :rolleyes:
sleazyfellow 06-06-2006, 05:20 PM http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1532782#post1532782
u just got served, dripped up and draped out
EXIGE 06-06-2006, 06:06 PM http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1532782#post1532782
u just got served, dripped up and draped out
No, no I didnt.
Pugnacious_Z 06-07-2006, 01:16 AM sleazyfellow, that vid u posted of that guy i can tell has never been in a boxing gym, he cracks me up, his all over the place.
Heckler 06-07-2006, 12:24 PM who ever sed i had to beat ya ass conventionally in a boxing ring. id beat ya ass where i can use my legs. ive trained in muay thai and sparred some of the best kickboxers in my area. i the point is. your a twat coz your so cockey. with your video clip. dont give me this bollocks of "ive sparred the best guys in the country"
i been in wars wid manz in the street. council estates is where its out brother. knives and 5 on 2's is what its all about.
can you take a clean punch to the face while 3 ppl are holding down your face. i dont think so. the "hood" as its termed is what makes a man.
listen sparring, is to gain technique. have you ever beat up sum1? full force bare knuckle?? hmm dont think so..
'Fight like a man in the ring, not like a dog in the ****en streets'
So your another little wannabe thug? being a thug in the "hood" makes you a little pussy bitch that relies on his boys to fight, on weapons... in the ring its man for man, none of that bullshit. Your not a thug, your not ****en Tupac... You homos need to grow up and get lives.
sleazyfellow 06-08-2006, 12:30 AM sleazyfellow, that vid u posted of that guy i can tell has never been in a boxing gym, he cracks me up, his all over the place.
what r u talking about? thats the NEXT BIG thing to hit the ring, this "shadowboxing" in this thread is sloppy, hence why he took it down, cause donald humiliated him, plain and simple!
kbpoetree 06-08-2006, 05:49 PM Ok here's a clip of me shadow boxing. Its really really poor quality, but gets better as it goes on, the reason being that it is from my phone... piece of shit. :rolleyes:
Anyways... I dont want any discussions on it, because I already know that it is elite. :D
Me Shadow Boxing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRarwJ9S_qw)
Oh yeah and the reason it was too short was because my 3gp converter wasnt converting the whole ****ing file, only like 40 seconds or something, so I just had to put up with that.
Peace. :cool:
dammit i didnt get 2 c it, i'm sure tho, i'll still kick your ass, u wanna c me go at it, find me at 6 here in a lil bit on guardianmma.com check the webcam....by the way, how ya been exige
EXIGE 06-08-2006, 05:57 PM dammit i didnt get 2 c it, i'm sure tho, i'll still kick your ass, u wanna c me go at it, find me at 6 here in a lil bit on guardianmma.com check the webcam....by the way, how ya been exige
Hey bro I just replied to your pm.
And here is a vid you will be able to watch. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZUqKVqISV8
Erbad 06-08-2006, 05:58 PM Nice video Exige alot better than Hoskins' :D
EXIGE 06-08-2006, 06:01 PM Nice video Exige alot better than Hoskins' :D
Its funny you say that...
2tough said it was shit... then sent me bad karma telling me not to show off. :rolleyes:
Erbad 06-08-2006, 06:01 PM 2tough is just hugging Hoskin's imaginary nuts :D
kbpoetree 06-08-2006, 06:05 PM not bad dawg, there is some advice tho i'd give ya, i know its shadowboxing, but try and work a lil more on the lean when throwen your jab, u standen too str8, plus work on the combo jab goin from body, to head. just some small onez, but footwork looks good dude..keep it up
EXIGE 06-08-2006, 06:07 PM not bad dawg, there is some advice tho i'd give ya, i know its shadowboxing, but try and work a lil more on the lean when throwen your jab, u standen too str8, plus work on the combo jab goin from body, to head. just some small onez, but footwork looks good dude..keep it up
Ok ill keep that in mind... I know I have a lot of weaknesses. But as they say, they are only weaknesses if your opponent capitalises on them... and I dont let them. :D
kbpoetree 06-08-2006, 06:11 PM 4 sure and everyone got weaknesses, even the pros plus u young and got time unlike me who has 2perfect my skills quickly since i'm an old man..lol
PunchDrunk 06-08-2006, 08:57 PM Hey bro I just replied to your pm.
And here is a vid you will be able to watch. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZUqKVqISV8
Looks pretty good. You definitely need to get a little more shoulder n your jab though. And remember to extend your arm all the way too. It's a little too short, as it is now.
Another tip, try not to get out of your fighting stance. You sorta straightne up, cirle around and relax after you've thrown your shots, and you do it too often. Try going full rounds of shadowboxing, where you're in a position to throw a punch with every step you take.
fraidycat 06-08-2006, 11:19 PM Davies, thanks for posting that second vid. Your footwork is awesome, IMO. You'd be a hard little bastard to hit more than a couple of times in a combo. I just spent about fifteen minutes in front of my bedroom mirror trying to figure out how you move to the oblique, the incremental pivot and the series of quick hops at the off-angle to get out of range. I'm really glad I could watch that vid again and again, 'cuz I'm so ****in' stealing that move.
EDIT: I'm about 80kg so compared to you I look like a tap-dancing warthog doing it :mad: but it's still a great move.
EXIGE 06-09-2006, 05:01 AM Looks pretty good. You definitely need to get a little more shoulder n your jab though. And remember to extend your arm all the way too. It's a little too short, as it is now.
Another tip, try not to get out of your fighting stance. You sorta straightne up, cirle around and relax after you've thrown your shots, and you do it too often. Try going full rounds of shadowboxing, where you're in a position to throw a punch with every step you take.
Ok yeah I figured someone would comment on that. But I try and shadowbox for every situation I think I might find myself in. When I was side stepping and was square on that was like a practice for if I am on the ropes and need to get out of the way quickly. But yeah, to get the most out of the minutes I should really just practice technique. :)
EXIGE 06-09-2006, 05:04 AM Davies, thanks for posting that second vid. Your footwork is awesome, IMO. You'd be a hard little bastard to hit more than a couple of times in a combo. I just spent about fifteen minutes in front of my bedroom mirror trying to figure out how you move to the oblique, the incremental pivot and the series of quick hops at the off-angle to get out of range. I'm really glad I could watch that vid again and again, 'cuz I'm so ****in' stealing that move.
EDIT: I'm about 80kg so compared to you I look like a tap-dancing warthog doing it :mad: but it's still a great move.
Ok its good it helped you out.
I think I know the move you were talking about, and if its the same one, I actually did it to an opponent in sparring recently and he was like "WDF!". When you start doing that stuff thats when you start to box well in my opinion. Opening up new angles and confusing opponents whilst landing 3 shots (like what I did after that move in sparring), is great. Also when you do that, because you have opened an angle up, if you do it succesfully (ie step outside of your opponent where they cannot counter), you can score knockout blows or just get an extra 2-3 points. Its great and works a lot of the time, so yeah, make use of it. :)
fraidycat 06-09-2006, 01:25 PM I think I know the move you were talking about, and if its the same one. . . .
You're doing it quite a bit from 1:20 to 1:40, and at 1:58 and 2:04 you use it to roll and engage. If someone hasn't seen it before (enough to develop a workaround), it would make you really slippery. NICE MOVE.
EXIGE 06-09-2006, 01:33 PM You're doing it quite a bit from 1:20 to 1:40, and at 1:58 and 2:04 you use it to roll and engage. If someone hasn't seen it before (enough to develop a workaround), it would make you really slippery. NICE MOVE.
Oh it was a roll, I thought it was a side step and then fire shots, but as I side step I come forward and step into the shots. But it wasnt. :)
fraidycat 06-09-2006, 01:38 PM It's the angle and the little hops, though you work a roll into it when you're coming forward and punching. Point being, it's sweeeeet. I'd be eager to see you fight. Let us know when you get some sparring video.
EXIGE 06-09-2006, 01:55 PM It's the angle and the little hops, though you work a roll into it when you're coming forward and punching. Point being, it's sweeeeet. I'd be eager to see you fight. Let us know when you get some sparring video.
Ok yeah I know what part you are talking about now. I went back and watched it, and checked at the parts you said.
It was a double jab-left hook-roll. (the 1st one)
jab-roll-right uppercut. (the 2nd one)
Yeah those are awkward to defend against, because more often than not once you have closed the gap on someone they counter with hooks. So if you can get off some shots before they do that hook, and then you roll under the hook, you are in a perfect position. :)
SquareCircle 06-09-2006, 05:00 PM ppl talking shit to you are just jealous exige.
so yea my trainer has had me working on footwork and balance to start out. he was saying something about how you need a solid foundation as a fighter which means good balance/footwork etc just like you need a solid foundation for a house if you are going to build one,
my calves are sore as hell along with the sides of my leg muscles, for the first 2 days he put me on these footsteps, I got good at that in like a day and I can do em now without looking at em, the exercise killed my calves because I was told to stay on my toes..
Yesterday I did some kind of chair drill for like 2 hours..just moving around a chair until i was exhausted. I noticed I can move to my left easier than I can to my right so I was working on my right movement. the sides of my leg muscles are so sore I can barely walk & my balance is terrible from the soreness
EXIGE 06-09-2006, 05:37 PM ppl talking shit to you are just jealous exige.
so yea my trainer has had me working on footwork and balance to start out. he was saying something about how you need a solid foundation as a fighter which means good balance/footwork etc just like you need a solid foundation for a house if you are going to build one,
my calves are sore as hell along with the sides of my leg muscles, for the first 2 days he put me on these footsteps, I got good at that in like a day and I can do em now without looking at em, the exercise killed my calves because I was told to stay on my toes..
Yesterday I did some kind of chair drill for like 2 hours..just moving around a chair until i was exhausted. I noticed I can move to my left easier than I can to my right so I was working on my right movement. the sides of my leg muscles are so sore I can barely walk & my balance is terrible from the soreness
LOL! Thats good bro. It sounds like he is interested in training you to be technically sound. This is a good thing, and stick with your trainer he sounds like a good one.
Yeah the stuff he is getting you to do is all co-ordination stuff basically. The thing about going up steps and staying on your toes is going to help you to get into the habit of doing that in the ring. When you are on the balls of your feet with the rest of your foot slightly raised off the ground you have a perfect position to take a step back or to the side or whatever. Its all about being able to move quickly.
The stuff about moving around the chair just sounds like getting used to moving whilst staying on balance, which is vital. If you twist yourself into an awkward position and then receive a shot in sparring or in a real match the chances are you go down. Now you see why I train technically, rather than aggressively or whatever. ;)
And what he says about the foundation is 100% correct. Like he said, you cant build a house without a good foundation. You cant throw a shot with power if you are off balance...
Train hard, and keep your side of the deal and you will go far. In my opinion your trainer has you doing the right things at the moment. (Dont get impatient that you arent jumping in the ring straight away and knocking people out. That comes with time almost.) :)
SquareCircle 06-09-2006, 07:49 PM Thanks man, im really enjoying the atmosphere of the gym. it's just great to be around lots of people who talk boxing. like on thursday, as soon as I went in guys were talking about D-Hops double jab-straight right KO from Wed. night fights, I love to walk in and hear things like that because all my other friends aren't fans, so its really refreshing.
2nd day there I showed up an hour early before anyone got there and was still workin on the footsteps when the coach got there, its a good feeling to show up early and be the first guy there working.
EXIGE 06-09-2006, 08:15 PM Thanks man, im really enjoying the atmosphere of the gym. it's just great to be around lots of people who talk boxing. like on thursday, as soon as I went in guys were talking about D-Hops double jab-straight right KO from Wed. night fights, I love to walk in and hear things like that because all my other friends aren't fans, so its really refreshing.
2nd day there I showed up an hour early before anyone got there and was still workin on the footsteps when the coach got there, its a good feeling to show up early and be the first guy there working.
Haha yeah.
I am the same, I still havent lost any motivation at all. I think the reason is because you can never be "too good" in this sport... Always learning from those who are better, and always have a target that you want to reach. There's a few in my club that I would love to beat but sometimes cant even lay a glove on them... but that makes me more hungry for success. And it has paid off, because now I am getting a lot lot better. :)
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