I have read alot of times on this forum that Taylor's corner lost him the fight but no one ever really said how. Could someone please clear this up for me and tell me what exactly happened? Thanks

I heard his trainer told him to knock the guy out, but later claimed he said fight like Ali..

Taylor's corner had nothing to do with it, only 5 secs left, and the ref stoped the fight, after Taylor got back on his feet.

Taylor's cornermen jumped on the rope as Richard Steele was asking him if he was ok, which distracted Taylor and so Steele thought Taylor could not continue, and waived off the fight.

However, what Steele did was inexcusable. It was the last round of a title fight, Taylor was winning, and there was a flashing red light just behind the turnbuckle which signals to the ref that there are less than 10 seconds left in the fight. With mere seconds remaining, Steele stopped the fight even though Taylor was up, and he did so inocrrectly. Officially, there were 2 seconds left at the time of the stoppage.

One of the worst things to happen to a boxer ever, happened to Taylor that night.

Here We Go Again :d

Taylor's cornermen jumped on the rope as Richard Steele was asking him if he was ok, which distracted Taylor and so Steele thought Taylor could not continue, and waived off the fight.

However, what Steele did was inexcusable. It was the last round of a title fight, Taylor was winning, and there was a flashing red light just behind the turnbuckle which signals to the ref that there are less than 10 seconds left in the fight. With mere seconds remaining, Steele stopped the fight even though Taylor was up, and he did so inocrrectly. Officially, there were 2 seconds left at the time of the stoppage.

One of the worst things to happen to a boxer ever, happened to Taylor that night.


I agree 100%. Richard Steele knew from that red light how much time was left in the fight. He just wanted to stop it so Chavez would win plain and simple.

I agree 100%. Richard Steele knew from that red light how much time was left in the fight. He just wanted to stop it so Chavez would win plain and simple.
hahahahahahaha sore losers hahaha :D

hahahahahahaha sore losers hahaha :D



I'm not saying Chavez lost...he won that fight but he did it with Richard Steele's help.

I'm not saying Chavez lost...he won that fight but he did it with Richard Steele's help.
come on! dude taylor was asked twice are yo ok? are you ok? he never answered :eek:
and those are the cold facts that unrealistics boxing fans do not want to accept :cool:

come on! dude taylor was asked twice are yo ok? are you ok? he never answered :eek:
and those are the cold facts that unrealistics boxing fans do not want to accept :cool:



I won't cry over spilled milk...all that is in the past...and there is nothing anyone can do about it...Chavez got the W...I just feel vindicated that one of my favorite fighters Kotszya Tsyzu humiliated Chavez with a very bad beating...that more than made up for the Richard Steele controversy.

come on! dude taylor was asked twice are yo ok? are you ok? he never answered :eek:
and those are the cold facts that unrealistics boxing fans do not want to accept :cool:He wasnt KO'd, he got back up on his own two feet, you dont need to ask if hes ok, if there is only two secs left on the clock.He made it that far, why take it away, he got back up.

I have read alot of times on this forum that Taylor's corner lost him the fight but no one ever really said how. Could someone please clear this up for me and tell me what exactly happened? Thanks

wow, I can't believe that the answer wasnt given yet

with 5 secs remaining in the fight meldrick was getting up from a knockdown, and was there enough to continue, yet when the referee was asking him "CAN YOU CONTINUE?" CAN YOU CONTINUE" He didn't reply because Lou Duva jumped on the mat like a whale washing ashore in a violent hurricane, distracting taylor, and giving him a ko loss..tragic fight for Mel

Taylors cornerman jumped up on the ring and distracted him. Was it Lou or just one of his cornermen?...I forget.

There was some ring light that was rumored to have distracted him as well.

Steele asked him can you continue...Mel wasn't in the right frame of mind to even say anything after the knockdown and chaotic atmosphere. It's sad that Steele didn't give him the old, "walk to me!" test. I just think the roaring crowd and Mel's stunned nature after the KD drowned out what Steele was saying. **** Steele for stopping that **** tho.

This can be debated all day, but at the end of the day, the guy was on his feet and was focused on the ref from a count of 6.

The ref's argument was that had the knockdown been at any other time in the fight, there wouldn't have been any controversy, and he refs the same way the first round that he does in the last.

In this case, the ref had sole discression to decide the fight in whatever way he wanted.

That is crap.

Also, the fight was closer than the commentators thought. Even though Taylor was winning, he was not up 9 rounds to 2 or whatever the comentators said.

Also, I think there was an eventual rematch and Chavez KOed Taylor early.

The same type of thing just happened in the Jets Chargers playoff game when the jet's linebacker did a late hit on Drew Breese after the incomplete pass on 4th down with just a few seconds left. Was it a late hit? Yes Should it have been called? No

I won't cry over spilled milk...all that is in the past...and there is nothing anyone can do about it...Chavez got the W...I just feel vindicated that one of my favorite fighters Kotszya Tsyzu humiliated Chavez with a very bad beating...that more than made up for the Richard Steele controversy.
well is that your consolation so be it
but we all know that chavez was well over his prime when he fought tzsyu :cool:

Why even ask a fighter, who fought his heart out, with 5 secs left on the clock, if he can fight for 5 secs more? He got back up on his feet, the ref was gay, mommas boy, he isnt a baby, he is a fighter.

I have read alot of times on this forum that Taylor's corner lost him the fight but no one ever really said how. Could someone please clear this up for me and tell me what exactly happened? Thanks

Richard Steele blew his wad early and ruined the fight.......Anything else you hear is bs.

hahaha bunch of whiners :cool:

all you need to do
is to see taylor's face he was a mess :eek:
chavez he had to small scratches :D

I'm just gonna go watch my Tszyu versus Chavez fight....ahhhhh the sweet smell of victory. :D

Steele wasn't concerned with how much time was remaining, even if Taylor would have won and gotten the decision we all saw the beating he took, Chavez beat his career out of him. Taylor was in horrible condition when Steele asked him was he OK, and all refs ask if the fighter is ok, steele didn't just decide to do that. By the way Chavez's corner told him to knock Taylor out for his country and his family. The commentary is horribly biased in this fight as well in the last 25 seconds when Chavez was pounding Taylor neither of the 3 commentators said a word, Taylor was up on the cards but not dominating the way they made it out to seem. If you were listening to that fight on the radio you'd think Chavez not Taylor was the one who was looking more hurt.

He wasnt KO'd, he got back up on his own two feet, you dont need to ask if hes ok, if there is only two secs left on the clock.He made it that far, why take it away, he got back up.

It's not the ref's job to know how much time is left in a round or a fight. Now one thing that IS his job, is to protect the fighters. Taylor was asked twice, CAN YOU CONTINUE! CAN YOU CONTINUE! He was so fúcked up that he couldn't answer. Remember, that was a BIG right hand by Chavez that landed cleanly on Taylor's chin. He was up, but he was not OK.

Even if he was distracted by Duva, fact is he didn't answer Steele's questions. It was the right call.

I'm just gonna go watch my Tszyu versus Chavez fight....ahhhhh the sweet smell of victory. :D
all you need to do
is to see taylor's face he was a mess
chavez he had to small scratches
I think I will do the same with my chavez vs taylor fight plus the documentary from HBO :D

all you need to do
is to see taylor's face he was a mess
chavez he had to small scratches
I think I will do the same with my chavez vs taylor fight plus the documentary from HBO :D




It's all good man. :p

Taylor's cornermen jumped on the rope as Richard Steele was asking him if he was ok, which distracted Taylor and so Steele thought Taylor could not continue, and waived off the fight.

However, what Steele did was inexcusable. It was the last round of a title fight, Taylor was winning, and there was a flashing red light just behind the turnbuckle which signals to the ref that there are less than 10 seconds left in the fight. With mere seconds remaining, Steele stopped the fight even though Taylor was up, and he did so inocrrectly. Officially, there were 2 seconds left at the time of the stoppage.

One of the worst things to happen to a boxer ever, happened to Taylor that night.


if a man cant continue, he cant continue. Steele WOULDNT have stopped the fight if Taylor's corner didnt distract him. Taylor NEEDED to answer Steele and he didnt. It's not Steele's fault. He did nothing incorrectly, if a fighter doenst answer the ref, the fight has to be stopped no matter what round or how much time is left.

if a man cant continue, he cant continue. Steele WOULDNT have stopped the fight if Taylor's corner didnt distract him. Taylor NEEDED to answer Steele and he didnt. It's not Steele's fault. He did nothing incorrectly, if a fighter doenst answer the ref, the fight has to be stopped no matter what round or how much time is left.

My point exactly.

It's all good man. :p
i feel you bro :p

If you want to say Steele made a mistake....fine.

But, saying Steele "wanted" Chavez to win, or was paid to stop it....is the type of childish thinking I thought was limited to Wlad Klit fans.

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BTW steele counts to 9 (should have been to 8) and asks taylor twice if he is ok to which there is no response and taylor is leening back on the ropes looking off to the side.

BTW steele counts to 9 (should have been to 8) and asks taylor twice if he is ok to which there is no response and taylor is leening back on the ropes looking off to the side.


Exactly. It's the corner's fault for distracting Taylor. Anyone that thinks it was Steele's fault is either a Chavez hater, or Taylor lover.

And it's kind of a shame that some people want to blame it on the ref, this being one of the most dramatic victories in the history of the sport.

didnt they say that... steele was a friend of don king... and chavez was promoted under king...he's a controversial ref... but taylor's corner did say that he had to fight chavez instead of takin the round off... and one of meldricks trainer went up to the corner and taylor look at him instead of answering if he was ok... and steele shoulda of been lookin at the red light... but at the end... you cant deny that taylor got his ass woop... he had fractures... internal bleeding... and was pissing out blood...

Every Chavez fan on this thread knows their legendary idol got his ass boxed off by a better fighter that night. Although it's a W in Chavez record...it should have a big old asterisk by it.

I'm even a Chavez fan...and clinging to, "oh yeah well Steele did his job correctly and Chavez was doing more damage and its not the refs job to look at the time limit and and and..." is played out. Meldrick won that fight in the peoples eyes...unless of course you're in that small demographic of Mexican JCC fanboys who cannot admit that Chavez was beaten every way possible outside of "technically".

Every Chavez fan on this thread knows their legendary idol got his ass boxed off by a better fighter that night. Although it's a W in Chavez record...it should have a big old asterisk by it.

I'm even a Chavez fan...and clinging to, "oh yeah well Steele did his job correctly and Chavez was doing more damage and its not the refs job to look at the time limit and and and..." is played out. Meldrick won that fight in the peoples eyes...unless of course you're in that small demographic of Mexican JCC fanboys who cannot admit that Chavez was beaten every way possible outside of "technically".

In no way did Chavez get "his ass boxed off" by a better fighter. Sounds like you been watching Legendary Nights and not the actual fight. The fight was competitive from the start, if you dont see that your obviously just seeing Taylor's punches. Most people get swayed by the commentating, there is a reason Taylor was all beat up at the end of the fight, and the reason is Leonard, Lampleys, and Merchant's cheerleading was wrong. Especially Leonards' "Taylor's speeds nullified the offense of Chavez". That was the problem it didnt, Taylor threw punches and punches but Chavez kept rocking him round after round. And huge misconception to say that he began punishing him at the end because Chavez oppened the first cut of MANY in taylors mouth in round 2 in which he also visibly hurt him at the end of the round.

What do you think steele shoulda done? count to 16? grab Taylors hands and pull him toward him and let him continue with 0 seconds to go in the fight without looking biased? Ask him if he was ok 7 times? I know... DQ Chavez that would have been the right thing to do right? Seriously.

Exactly. It's the corner's fault for distracting Taylor. Anyone that thinks it was Steele's fault is either a Chavez hater, or Taylor lover.

Wrong. Steele is also at fault. Th ref has multiple jobs, not just one. And one of the jobs he has is to be aware of the flashing red light directly behind Taylor's head as he was counting Taylor out. He did not see it, or he chose not, either way, yes, he did make a mistake.

When Steele stopped the fight, there were officially two seconds left on the clock. Had he simply not waived his arms during those seconds, Taylor would have won the decision, a much deserved decision for the beating he took.

It doesn't matter how much of a beating Taylor took, he did enough to win the fight and the judges' scorecards as well as the majority of the boxing public reflect that belief.

I've seen the fight, but I'm neither a Chavez hater or Taylor lover, I just see it for what it is...an agregious error by the referee, a mistake by Taylor's cornermen, and the beginning of the end to Taylor's career.

Anyone who thinks of braggin over Chavez for "winning" that fight, has no dignity, no shame, and is biased for Chavez. You don't brag about a tragedy like what happened to Meldrick Taylor.

Should I brag about how Kostya Tyszu and Oscar De La Hoya whooped on old Chavez' ass? Alright then.

Every Chavez fan on this thread knows their legendary idol got his ass boxed off by a better fighter that night. Although it's a W in Chavez record...it should have a big old asterisk by it.

I'm even a Chavez fan...and clinging to, "oh yeah well Steele did his job correctly and Chavez was doing more damage and its not the refs job to look at the time limit and and and..." is played out. Meldrick won that fight in the peoples eyes...unless of course you're in that small demographic of Mexican JCC fanboys who cannot admit that Chavez was beaten every way possible outside of "technically".

If it was Chavez who received an ass whooping, then how come the career that was over after that fight was Taylor's? He absorbed one of the most brutal punishments I've ever seen. The guy was peeing blood and had all kind of internal injuries after the fight.

I have seen that fight over and over again, and yes, Chavez was losing, but he wasn't losing 9 rounds to 2 like one judge had it. If there was such a big difference in 2 of the 3 scorecards was due to the fact that body shots, though they cause a lot of damage, are frequently overseen by judges.

In no way did Chavez get "his ass boxed off" by a better fighter. Sounds like you been watching Legendary Nights and not the actual fight. The fight was competitive from the start, if you dont see that your obviously just seeing Taylor's punches. Most people get swayed by the commentating, there is a reason Taylor was all beat up at the end of the fight, and the reason is Leonard, Lampleys, and Merchant's cheerleading was wrong. Especially Leonards' "Taylor's speeds nullified the offense of Chavez". That was the problem it didnt, Taylor threw punches and punches but Chavez kept rocking him round after round. And huge misconception to say that he began punishing him at the end because Chavez oppened the first cut of MANY in taylors mouth in round 2 in which he also visibly hurt him at the end of the round.

What do you think steele shoulda done? count to 16? grab Taylors hands and pull him toward him and let him continue with 0 seconds to go in the fight without looking biased? Ask him if he was ok 7 times? I know... DQ Chavez that would have been the right thing to do right? Seriously.


Ultimate...I know full well that Chavez was doing the significant damage to Mel. I've posted on multiple threads the extent of the damage done to Mel by JCC. But you HAVE TO ADMIT that Taylor was doing things to JCC that hadn't been seen before (hence the boxing his ass off). I know that Meldrick was hurt and that JCC was in the fight the whole way...except if the fight went to a decision. A decision would certainly assure Chavez his first loss. Even you couldn't have scored the fight for Chavez.

In my eyes...Steele said, "oh hey can you continue? (wait a second ) can you continue?...and then called the fight. As a referee...you should be aware of the situation and of the seriousness of the knockdown. Steele should have counted as normal, asked Mel if he was alright, and asked him to step towards him. Now I'm no referee, so I may be completely off base here...but I don't think a fighter who has just gone 12 tooth and nail rounds with one of the greatest fighters ever will totally be in the right state of mind to simply respond to a couple of quick 'can you continues'.

I have watched the fight (one of the 3 greatest fights ever IMO) many times and I have watched it with the sound on and off. I've also seen the legendary nights...which was very fanboyish on the commentary part. But I do know how I saw the fight and I know that Meldrick Taylor beat Julio Caesar Chavez that night...regardless if JCC got the W on his record.

Anyone who thinks of braggin over Chavez for "winning" that fight, has no dignity, no shame, and is biased for Chavez. You don't brag about a tragedy like what happened to Meldrick Taylor.

Should I brag about how Kostya Tyszu and Oscar De La Hoya whooped on old Chavez' ass? Alright then.

You do see the thread title, don't you? What the hell does it have to do with Chavez's losses vs. Zoo and DLH?

I do think Chavez won that fight fair and square. Taylor SHOULD HAVE ANSWERED at Steele's repeated calls and didn't. He did what a ref is supposed to do. Now if you think that for having a different opinion than yours, I have no dignity and no shame, then I guess you should be posting in your own website.

If it was Chavez who received an ass whooping, then how come the career that was over after that fight was Taylor's? He absorbed one of the most brutal punishments I've ever seen. The guy was peeing blood and had all kind of internal injuries after the fight.

I have seen that fight over and over again, and yes, Chavez was losing, but he wasn't losing 9 rounds to 2 like one judge had it. If there was such a big difference in 2 of the 3 scorecards was due to the fact that body shots, though they cause a lot of damage, are frequently overseen by judges.


You're tellin me old news amigo.

You do see the thread title, don't you? What the hell does it have to do with Chavez's losses vs. Zoo and DLH?

Maybe you should take zanex, buddy. I was talking about Mauricio, not you...so chill it.

Also, you can like Chavez all you want.

But, you don't even mention how Steele ignored or didn't notice the red light which indicates the final bell is about to ring. If that's not a factor in your mind, then yes, you are biased.

I didn't say anyone who has a different opinion than me has no dignty or shame. Don't put words in my mouth and don't assume, because assuming, well, you know the saying...

Someone who brags that Chavez escaped that ring with a win, BRAGS about it and makes fun of Taylor has no shame or dignity. Someone who refuses to acknowledge Steele's widely documented failures in that fight is clearly biased, just as I would be biased if I refused to take into account that Taylor's cornerman jumped on the rope as Richard Steele was asking Taylor if he was ok.

Peace.

Also, you can like Chavez all you want.

But, you don't even mention how Steele ignored or didn't notice the red light which indicates the final bell is about to ring. If that's not a factor in your mind, then yes, you are biased.

I didn't say anyone who has a different opinion than me has no dignty or shame. Don't put words in my mouth and don't assume, because assuming, well, you know the saying...

Someone who brags that Chavez escaped that ring with a win, BRAGS about it and makes fun of Taylor has no shame or dignity. Someone who refuses to acknowledge Steele's widely documented failures in that fight is clearly biased, just as I would be biased if I refused to take into account that Taylor's cornerman jumped on the rope as Richard Steele was asking Taylor if he was ok.

Chavez is one of my all time favorites, so of course I'm biased. Who isn't? To me, Taylor not answering to Steele's calls weights in more than a red light that he could or couldn' have (or chose not to) seen. Obviously, you think different.

Making fun of Taylor is ****ed up, definately. He fought a great fight and in the end, was beaten in the worst of ways. He was never the same after that night.

But he DID lose.

Ultimate...I know full well that Chavez was doing the significant damage to Mel. I've posted on multiple threads the extent of the damage done to Mel by JCC. But you HAVE TO ADMIT that Taylor was doing things to JCC that hadn't been seen before (hence the boxing his ass off). I know that Meldrick was hurt and that JCC was in the fight the whole way...except if the fight went to a decision. A decision would certainly assure Chavez his first loss. Even you couldn't have scored the fight for Chavez.

In my eyes...Steele said, "oh hey can you continue? (wait a second ) can you continue?...and then called the fight. As a referee...you should be aware of the situation and of the seriousness of the knockdown. Steele should have counted as normal, asked Mel if he was alright, and asked him to step towards him. Now I'm no referee, so I may be completely off base here...but I don't think a fighter who has just gone 12 tooth and nail rounds with one of the greatest fighters ever will totally be in the right state of mind to simply respond to a couple of quick 'can you continues'.

I have watched the fight (one of the 3 greatest fights ever IMO) many times and I have watched it with the sound on and off. I've also seen the legendary nights...which was very fanboyish on the commentary part. But I do know how I saw the fight and I know that Meldrick Taylor beat Julio Caesar Chavez that night...regardless if JCC got the W on his record.

I do admit that Taylor was hanging in there with Chavez something no one had seen be accomplished before. And yes i agree that had there been no KD which forced the fight to be called i would have had Taylor winning the fight by a close margin.

But the KD did come and he could not continue. Thats the thing, not a single thing did taylor show the ref to let him continue. Not one. The ref counted an extra second and still He didnt signal he was ok to the ref, he wasnt standing in the ready position, he was leaning on the ropes, he didnt answer the ref, hell he wasnt even looking at the ref. 7 or so seconds to go.. what are u supposed to do? wipe his gloves off and let him continue with 6 seconds to go while he is still leaning on the ropes looking off to god knows where?

In my opinion, the red-light weighs in equally, and given the beating Taylor took, he deserved to get out of there and see the decision, which was his.

So in my opinion, it's not really a "win", not a legitimate one for Chavez anyway. We will never agree obviously. Oh well.

(^_^)

I do admit that Taylor was hanging in there with Chavez something no one had seen be accomplished before. And yes i agree that had there been no KD which forced the fight to be called i would have had Taylor winning the fight by a close margin.

But the KD did come and he could not continue. Thats the thing, not a single thing did taylor show the ref to let him continue. Not one. The ref counted an extra second and still He didnt signal he was ok to the ref, he wasnt standing in the ready position, he was leaning on the ropes, he didnt answer the ref, hell he wasnt even looking at the ref. 7 or so seconds to go.. what are u supposed to do? wipe his gloves off and let him continue with 6 seconds to go while he is still leaning on the ropes looking off to god knows where?


Do you honestly feel in your heart that he could not continue? Because this is what the whole Chavez/Taylor debate has always been about. We all know that Chavez won and that many people think Taylor was given an unjust stoppage. But do you whole heartedly feel that JCC would have stormed across the ring with about 2-3 seconds left on the clock and knocked out Taylor with one punch? No punches after the bell would count. If Chavez got him after the bell it wouldn't have mattered. All Mel has to do is go into a shell and the fights over.

The whole ending to the fight is a matter of speculation and anger over Steele's history of sketchball decisions. Meldrick Taylor wasn't unresponsive...just distracted. If he were so unresponsive, then he wouldn't have had that heart sinking look of confusion and dismay when Steele hastily waved his arms in front of his face. You could clearly see that Mel IMMEDIATELY knew what happened when Steele PHYSICALLY signaled that the fight was over. I'm not so sure he could hear exactly what Steele was saying to him. Which is why I think Steele should have physically signaled to Mel to take steps toward him (which seems like a method more commonly used today). It was certainly an incredible fight. Meldrick Taylor was beating Chavez...I just personally feel that he was given the **** end of the stick. I mean, if you are going to get your ****ing brains beat in for 12 rounds by a guy who punches like he has bricks for hands, the ref can at least let him stand up (which he did) and finish the fight like a man.

I have read alot of times on this forum that Taylor's corner lost him the fight but no one ever really said how. Could someone please clear this up for me and tell me what exactly happened? Thanks

Taylor's corner ****ed it up for him,
have you seen any of his last fights
he could barely stay up.
He retired in 2002 i think
poor guy.

The reason Chavez is hated.

The fight that ruined Taylor.

Steele did the right thing, he's job is to protect the fighter. Don't matter how much time is left, that's NOT his job. Again he's job is to protect the fighter! What if this happen earlier in the fight, it's OK but since it happened at the end of the fight it's not. Did Taylor deserve a chance to continue? YES, but he didn't respond to the commands of Steele, thus the fight was called. Simple as that.

A fight can be stopped at any point of the fight, when the referee thinks the fighter had enough. IMO the fight should of been stopped by the 11th round. Taylor was out on his feet after the 11th. No luck by Chavez in the 12th, just shows his greatness (Balls)to rise to the occasion. Ask yourself how many times have you seen a fighter in his prime, virtually give up? Settle for the loss, try to survive? I have a ton of respect for Chavez because of this fight. He showed great courage in the fight, unfortunatley that was the last of a prime Chavez I saw.

PS: If you think Taylor won that's fine but in reality he lost the battle... a battle that ruined his life.

a battle that ruined his life.

yeah.

even if meldrick had won, he still would've had the brain problem

he was slurring after the first chavez bout

What truly happened was the downfall of a potential legend and the certification of another.

it was all in the judges hands

It was whoever he wanted, Meldrick deserved that, they stole it from him and look at him now :(

it was all in the judges hands

It was whoever he wanted, Meldrick deserved that, they stole it from him and look at him now :(


He still would be messed up even if he got the win...that particular fight with Chavez messed him up in the head already. I have old footage of him weeks after that fight on ABC Wide World Of Sports..he was slurring his speech. But yeah I thought the stoppage was bogus.