after about 5 minutes into some light jogging, on my left side, under the rib cages start to hurt. it goes away when i walk.

Yeah mine too. I think it is just a part of running but I'm no doctor so I'm not sure.

really? left side too? interesting.

btw, what's the most effective way to be able to jab more? (after about 20 jabs, my arm just gets real tired and sore).

i'm 17 with severe scoliosis :-(
5'8 205 lbs.

try to drink less water when running and if thats not the case your usually gettin to much oxygen try to breath through your nose....

really? left side too? interesting.

btw, what's the most effective way to be able to jab more? (after about 20 jabs, my arm just gets real tired and sore).

i'm 17 with severe scoliosis :-(
5'8 205 lbs.
What the hell is scoliosis?

I'll ask Rockin' about your problem. He's a smart dude. Hope he's not still pissed at me...

What the hell is scoliosis?


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All right thanks I had never heard of that before.

try to drink less water when running and if thats not the case your usually gettin to much oxygen try to breath through your nose....

yeah i might be breathing too much, because i drank water 1 hour before i started running.

All right thanks I had never heard of that before.

yeah, scoliosis sucks. it started when i was about 13 yrs old i think.

my back hurts 24/7, every year, month, week, day, hour, second, splitsecond, etc.

but i try to ignore it.

doctor recommends surgery, but i havent decided yet.

they also said by the time i reach age 40, my ribcage will by touching my lungs, making it very hard to breathe.

that sounds disturbing.

I used to get sideaches when running with my girlfriend, years ago. It was because I'd talk while running; she said that I wasn't getting enough air. The other thing she taught me is that I was -- get this -- breathing wrong.

Seriously. I thought she was bullshitting, but she was running sprint-distance triathlons so I figured she knew something. I relearned to breathe b/c she said it would help.

When you breathe IN, your stomach should go OUT, allowing your ribcage to expand and your diaphragm to slacken, thus allowing your lungs to fully fill up with air. When you breathe OUT, you should squeeze your stomach IN -- think about wringing out a sponge -- to squeeze the air out. This is the opposite of the way that we are "taught" to breathe (we want to walk around holding our stomachs in, so we breathe "up" into our shoulders and upper chest), but it's the way that babies breathe and it's the most efficient.

If you're running with your abs clenched all the time like you're in the ring, You are robbing yourself of around 20% of your lung capacity, maybe more. You won't be getting enough air and you'll get a mean cramp after not too long. I went from barely being able to run for five minutes, to being able to run for half an hour, literally in one day, just by changing the way I breathed. (EDIT: To clarify this, the difference was that when I was breathing "wrong," my lungs were the limiting factor; when I reversed my breathing, my leg strength and leg endurance became the limiting factor. This was ten years ago when I used to bodybuild, and I had great strength but not much endurance.)

When I'm sparring or doing drills, I use the moment when my opponent or I are out of attacking distance -- circling, sizing each other up -- to relax my stomach and get a good, solid double-lungful of air. It does wonders. When I engage, of course my stomach is flexed against an incoming punch.

I hope this helps.

I used to get sideaches when running with my girlfriend, years ago. It was because I'd talk while running; she said that I wasn't getting enough air. The other thing she taught me is that I was -- get this -- breathing wrong.

Seriously. I thought she was bullshitting, but she was running sprint-distance triathlons so I figured she knew something. I relearned to breathe b/c she said it would help.

When you breathe IN, your stomach should go OUT, allowing your ribcage to expand and your diaphragm to slacken, thus allowing your lungs to fully fill up with air. When you breathe OUT, you should squeeze your stomach IN -- think about wringing out a sponge -- to squeeze the air out. This is the opposite of the way that we are "taught" to breathe (we want to walk around holding our stomachs in, so we breathe "up" into our shoulders and upper chest), but it's the way that babies breathe and it's the most efficient.

If you're running with your abs clenched all the time like you're in the ring, You are robbing yourself of around 20% of your lung capacity, maybe more. You won't be getting enough air and you'll get a mean cramp after not too long. I went from barely being able to run for five minutes, to being able to run for half an hour, literally in one day, just by changing the way I breathed. (EDIT: To clarify this, the difference was that when I was breathing "wrong," my lungs were the limiting factor; when I reversed my breathing, my leg strength and leg endurance became the limiting factor. This was ten years ago when I used to bodybuild, and I had great strength but not much endurance.)

When I'm sparring or doing drills, I use the moment when my opponent or I are out of attacking distance -- circling, sizing each other up -- to relax my stomach and get a good, solid double-lungful of air. It does wonders. When I engage, of course my stomach is flexed against an incoming punch.

I hope this helps.

thanks man i'll try this out tomorrow morning.

Practice the breathing tonight -- put your hand on your belly button and feel it "flop" forward just before you breathe in, and feel it tighten up while you breathe out. Get it down before you try it on the road. Let me know how it goes. Good luck.

BTW, breathing like this for a couple of minutes in the morning is a great way to wake up.

rofl no offense but this thread is ****in hilarious =P

Dude, its a cramp. Thats all that it is. Work through it because when you get one in a fight you will not be able to take time to walk it off.

Rockin' :boxing:

Dude, its a cramp. Thats all that it is. Work through it because when you get one in a fight you will not be able to take time to walk it off.

Rockin' :boxing:


so that's what a cramp is... i was thinking it was a cramp too. i wouldnt know because i've NEVER done anything physical before today. first time running in 3 years. im 100% out of shape probably.

btw, how do i make my arms last longer? after about 20 jabs, my arm just dies on me.

Dude, its a cramp. Thats all that it is. Work through it because when you get one in a fight you will not be able to take time to walk it off.

Rockin' :boxing:

Yeah man, your going to just have to get used to running through it. It sucks but eventually you learn just to ignore it and keep running. One thing you can do, which never worked for me but worked for some people I told, is lean into where the cramp is and stick your fingers into your side, right where it hurts. It's supposed to break up the gas bubble that causes the pain. But if that doesn't work get used to the pain, work right through it.

so that's what a cramp is... i was thinking it was a cramp too. i wouldnt know because i've NEVER done anything physical before today. first time running in 3 years. im 100% out of shape probably.

btw, how do i make my arms last longer? after about 20 jabs, my arm just dies on me.

I have heard about your ailment. I dont know really, if the sickness is hurting your muscles or not. I am not familiar with it.

Try just doing rolls with your shoulder. Meaning, fully extend your arma in front of you face high. Roll them in tight quick circles for a minute and then reverse the motion for a minute. Then raise them out like from your sides, face height and do the process again. 1 minute switch the direction.

Make sure that you do tight fast circles. Build you some light endurance to begin with.

Rockin' :boxing:

fraidycat - who taught you diaphram breathing? the girlfriend? it's an old technique that most people don't know.

i can attest to the lower abdominal breathing. it is a basic requirement of training. just make sure that you don't rush or force your breathing. in time, you begin to do it automatically.

fraidycat - who taught you diaphram breathing? the girlfriend? it's an old technique that most people don't know.


Yeah, she was cool. At first, I took offense to the suggestion that I didn't know how to breathe, but when I finally shut the **** up and tried it, it literally changed everything. I was never much of a runner -- even in gym class I was always winded. As soon as I learned abdominal breathing, I became, uh, athletic. More or less. My lifting improved, too.

i can attest to the lower abdominal breathing. it is a basic requirement of training. just make sure that you don't rush or force your breathing. in time, you begin to do it automatically.

Thanks, bro. Good K coming your way.

It's supposed to break up the gas bubble that causes the pain. But if that doesn't work get used to the pain, work right through it.

I don't mean to break your balls, but there is no gas bubble. A cramp is an involuntary muscle contraction usually caused by lack of oxygen, dehydration, or electrolyte deficiency. Sticking your fingers into the muscle stimulates it, and gets oxygen (via blood) flowing to it.

The "stitch in the side" that deh707 is complaining about is a common complaint of beginning runners and untrained -- or self-trained -- athletes. It almost always goes away once they learn to breathe properly. To "work right through it" could lead to connective tissue damage, especially in someone who is new to fitness and isn't conditioned properly. Someone getting cramps needs to understand why it's happening, and remedy the cause.

EDIT: http://www.prorehabpc.com/library.asp?ID=25

Dude, its a cramp. Thats all that it is. Work through it because when you get one in a fight you will not be able to take time to walk it off.

Rockin' :boxing:


exactly

you gotta learn to work thru that pain on the left hand side if you don't your elbow is gonna drop on the left and leave you susceptible ot different shots depending on whether your are conventional or southpaw

after about 5 minutes into some light jogging, on my left side, under the rib cages start to hurt. it goes away when i walk.

its called a stitch, it happens when you have too much water or food before you run.

exactly

you gotta learn to work thru that pain on the left hand side if you don't your elbow is gonna drop on the left and leave you susceptible ot different shots depending on whether your are conventional or southpaw

I'm sorry, man, but I've gotta dissent, here. If he isn't in shape, and he "works thru that pain," he could **** up an intercostal ligament, or tear the connecting tissue to his liver , or any number of things that can happen if you just plow ahead when you aren't in shape, yet. A severe rectus abdominus cramp can rip the cartilage in the ribcage or even crack a rib. Cramps are your body's way of telling you that something's wrong -- you're dehydrated, you're depleted, you didn't stretch enough, you're not breathing well enough.

After you're in shape and you've experienced different degrees and calibers of cramps and you know what's what, it's fine to push through ONCE YOU KNOW WTF IS CAUSING IT. However, "work through it" is not -- NOT -- good advice for a newbie. That kind of macho shit will get you injured this early in the game.

I don't think I have ever seen so many athletes who were so uneducated about fitness and physiology, as I have since I started boxing. I know ballerinas who take their fitness more seriously.

its called a stitch, it happens when you have too much water or food before you run.

Or not enough.

Everything you wanted to know about side stitches and cramps is here:

http://www.prorehabpc.com/library.asp?ID=25

I was in cross-country in high school, one thing they taught me was when my side hurts is to just stop, put some pressure on it using both hands(with fingers only)and cough three to five times.This will take the pain away for awhile.Try it.See if it works.

I'm sorry, man, but I've gotta dissent, here. If he isn't in shape, and he "works thru that pain," he could **** up an intercostal ligament, or tear the connecting tissue to his liver , or any number of things that can happen if you just plow ahead when you aren't in shape, yet. A severe rectus abdominus cramp can rip the cartilage in the ribcage or even crack a rib. Cramps are your body's way of telling you that something's wrong -- you're dehydrated, you're depleted, you didn't stretch enough, you're not breathing well enough.

After you're in shape and you've experienced different degrees and calibers of cramps and you know what's what, it's fine to push through ONCE YOU KNOW WTF IS CAUSING IT. However, "work through it" is not -- NOT -- good advice for a newbie. That kind of macho shit will get you injured this early in the game.

I don't think I have ever seen so many athletes who were so uneducated about fitness and physiology, as I have since I started boxing. I know ballerinas who take their fitness more seriously.

actually, you are probably right

i take nothing away from you on that

the prob is that try telling your opponent to "hold on , wait a minute, i've gotta cramp" isn't going to cut it in the fight game

maybe in tennis or someshit but not in boxing, besides do it in sparring and you lose the respect of others in the gym

I was in cross-country in high school, one thing they taught me was when my side hurts is to just stop, put some pressure on it using both hands(with fingers only)and cough three to five times.This will take the pain away for awhile.Try it.See if it works.


funny, my cc coach in high school said the same shit

actually, you are probably right

i take nothing away from you on that

the prob is that try telling your opponent to "hold on , wait a minute, i've gotta cramp" isn't going to cut it in the fight game

maybe in tennis or someshit but not in boxing, besides do it in sparring and you lose the respect of others in the gym

at least that's how it is in south texas going to the gym with hungry/ street tough mexicans

I ran cross country and track in high school and cross country in college and we were always told to run through it.

I'm sorry, man, but I've gotta dissent, here. If he isn't in shape, and he "works thru that pain," he could **** up an intercostal ligament, or tear the connecting tissue to his liver , or any number of things that can happen if you just plow ahead when you aren't in shape, yet. A severe rectus abdominus cramp can rip the cartilage in the ribcage or even crack a rib. Cramps are your body's way of telling you that something's wrong -- you're dehydrated, you're depleted, you didn't stretch enough, you're not breathing well enough.

After you're in shape and you've experienced different degrees and calibers of cramps and you know what's what, it's fine to push through ONCE YOU KNOW WTF IS CAUSING IT. However, "work through it" is not -- NOT -- good advice for a newbie. That kind of macho shit will get you injured this early in the game.

I don't think I have ever seen so many athletes who were so uneducated about fitness and physiology, as I have since I started boxing. I know ballerinas who take their fitness more seriously.


FraidyCAT/Puss, I worked through it from the beginning and Im still here to talk about it. Boxing is straight up about working through the pain. If you cant deal with that then I suggest that you look into a golf website.


Its the fight of the century and fraidy cat is having a rough throw. Fraidy jabs and then grabs his side, "Hold on a second" he asks the referee for time while he works out a cramp. The referee asks him if he is all better and if he feels like fighting now. Fraidycat shakes his head no, he will need a few more moments. A minute later Fraidycat has worked out his cramp and is now ready to box again, man that kid has real heart to work through a cramp like that. Probably a champion in the making. Women work through cramps for a week at a time. Your telling me that you cant work through a two minute amatuer round and wait until your in your corner after the round to deal with it? Golf.............

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Grow another ball and come back and talk..... he said golf...
Rockin' :boxing:

FraidyCAT/Puss, I worked through it from the beginning and Im still here to talk about it. Boxing is straight up about working through the pain. If you cant deal with that then I suggest that you look into a golf website.


Its the fight of the century and fraidy cat is having a rough throw. Fraidy jabs and then grabs his side, "Hold on a second" he asks the referee for time while he works out a cramp. The referee asks him if he is all better and if he feels like fighting now. Fraidycat shakes his head no, he will need a few more moments. A minute later Fraidycat has worked out his cramp and is now ready to box again, man that kid has real heart to work through a cramp like that. Probably a champion in the making. Women work through cramps for a week at a time. Your telling me that you cant work through a two minute amatuer round and wait until your in your corner after the round to deal with it? Golf.............



For starters, you're not listening. You're not analyzing; you're reacting. A guy with a good feint will hand you your face. EDIT: I'm not saying to stop in the middle of a fight because of a cramp. I'm talking about a NOOB. By the time he's ready to fight, he'll be tough enough to take it -- by then, he oughta know enough about nutrition and physiology to not get muscle cramps.

I don't stop when I get a cramp, because I know what causes them and I know how to make them go away. Hell, I rarely get them, because I know what causes them. And I know the difference between an intercostal cramp, a cracked rib, and a diphragm spasm. Had 'em all, know what they feel like. None of that shit is caused by "bubbles" in your muscles, BTW.

You have a newbie who doesn't know anything about his own body and you tell him to play through the pain? You might as well take a sledgehammer to him right now. Your advice will eventually **** him up just as bad. He needs to learn some elementary physiology -- anyone in a contact sport does. It appeared to me that he was asking what causes his cramps. I answered that. Did you?

Ballerinas.

edited for clarity.

For starters, you're not listening. You're not analyzing; you're reacting. A guy with a good feint will hand you your face. EDIT: I'm not saying to stop in the middle of a fight because of a cramp. I'm talking about a NOOB. By the time he's ready to fight, he'll be tough enough to take it -- by then, he oughta know enough about nutrition and physiology to not get muscle cramps.

I don't stop when I get a cramp, because I know what causes them and I know how to make them go away. Hell, I rarely get them, because I know what causes them. And I know the difference between an intercostal cramp, a cracked rib, and a diphragm spasm. Had 'em all, know what they feel like. None of that shit is caused by "bubbles" in your muscles, BTW.

You have a newbie who doesn't know anything about his own body and you tell him to play through the pain? You might as well take a sledgehammer to him right now. Your advice will eventually **** him up just as bad. He needs to learn some elementary physiology -- anyone in a contact sport does. It appeared to me that he was asking what causes his cramps. I answered that. Did you?

Ballerinas.

edited for clarity.

Not trying to bring up a little physist, were trying to bring up a little boxer. If you teach him to just quit at the first sign of discomfort what will you have..... a quiter?


Rockin' :boxing:

Not trying to bring up a little physist, were trying to bring up a little boxer. If you teach him to just quit at the first sign of discomfort what will you have..... a quiter?


No, you'll have an educated boxer. Physiology is not physics.

I'm going to say this again.

After you're in shape and you've experienced different degrees and calibers of cramps and you know what's what, it's fine to push through ONCE YOU KNOW WTF IS CAUSING IT. "Work through it" is not -- NOT -- good advice for a newbie.

I stand by what I said. Call me what you will, but I think you're wrong.

this explains why you live alone fraidycat. hehe

The whole thing with this entire thread is that if he has scoliosis, whats he doing out running?

Rockin' :boxing:

The whole thing with this entire thread is that if he has scoliosis, whats he doing out running?

Rockin' :boxing:

Okay, THAT, I agree with.

Okay, THAT, I agree with.


If he has a cramp he will learn to work through it.

Rockin' :boxing:

this explains why you live alone fraidycat. hehe

Halitosis? You can smell it from there? I've tried flossing, I've tried Listerine. . . . My love of Indian food.

whats Halitosis?

whats Halitosis?

Bad breath. I eat my food so hot that my dog won't clean the plate. 4-5 stars. I'm addicted. Indian and Thai. Mmmmm. . . .

so that's why you live alone?

I was kidding. I'm married, not that I'm easy to live with. My wife travels quite a bit, she's a professional mezzo-soprano. Right now she's in the last weeks of touring Europe with a vocal group. She sings with the city's symphony chorale and some local theatres, as well. This boxing adventure started as something to occupy me while she was on the road. Not that I didn't need it. I'm going to stick with it, though; I love it. I don't know how I'm going to explain this to her when she gets back. . . .

okay okay...I just read a couple posts and got the impression you were living alone. And you're name is 'fraidycat' so I made a couple inferences.

Fair enough...

okay okay...I just read a couple posts and got the impression you were living alone. And you're name is 'fraidycat' so I made a couple inferences.

Fair enough...


No sweat. "Fraidycat" is self-effacing humor; I took up boxing to get over my fear of getting hit. I went to a couple of yuppie "boxing fitness" classes first, then ended up in the heart of the 'hood at a duct-tape wonderland full of guys with tattoos and gold teeth, where I'm currently earning my spurs. My wife's gonna freak out.

The whole thing with this entire thread is that if he has scoliosis, whats he doing out running?

Rockin' :boxing:

running should be fine for me. my doctor said i could run fine. i have friends that don't have scoliosis and they have the same pain when they run, sometimes.

but when we spar, i only get backpain when i throw huge hooks.

after about 5 minutes into some light jogging, on my left side, under the rib cages start to hurt. it goes away when i walk.

during running my side hurts

so you just started jogging, it happens and will go away as you keep jogging every day.

this might just be a simple cramp and if it is you just need more potasium so eat a bannana before running and this might make the pain go away and try to drink the water slowly not have a whole bottle in 5 minutes take a sip here and there that will also prevent a cramp.

yeah, scoliosis sucks. it started when i was about 13 yrs old i think.

my back hurts 24/7, every year, month, week, day, hour, second, splitsecond, etc.

but i try to ignore it.

doctor recommends surgery, but i havent decided yet.

they also said by the time i reach age 40, my ribcage will by touching my lungs, making it very hard to breathe.

that sounds disturbing.

Haven't decided yet? Dude get it done now. The faster it gets fixed the faster you'll be back out there running and working out, don't wait. That's just wut I think.

you're supposed to drink water 2-3 hrs b4 you run, and at that time drink 17-20 oz. Then, 25 mis be u run/exercise, drink 5-7 oz more. This is what the ACSM recommends. ;)