he only has 3 fights at middle joppy/hopkins/mayorga

1. Joppy is **** and has always been **** look at his record really he got anybody on it? maybe 1 or 2 just maybe

2. mayorga is a fellow blown up welterwieght himself in his first middleweight fight..


3. tito's only real middle weight fight.... he got owned


i dont think tito is really gonna last at middle with big guys like taylor or sturm or joe cal if he comes down.

im not saying tito is overrated just his power at middle

Trinidad KO'd Joppy......something Hopkins & Taylor (two natural 160lbers) couldn't do.....& Tito even softened Joppy up for those two.

He also knocked Cherifi silly.....something no one else at 160 did.


Tito's punching power is still unquestionable at 160....

Trinidad KO'd Joppy......something Hopkins & Taylor (two natural 160lbers) couldn't do.....& Tito even softened Joppy up for those two.

He also knocked Cherifi silly.....something no one else at 160 did.


Tito's punching power is still unquestionable at 160....


Yeah and Tito got
Knocked the **** out by B-Hop

Tito is one of the 2 or 3 biggest p4p punchers in the sport today.

Are you saying that Tito will not win those fights or Tito will not KO the other guy?

I think Tito is a better boxer than the guys you mentioned (except Hop), and he will definately win some rounds against that bunch, but I think that Tito has a legitament shot at getting the knockout on these three fighters who have never really been tested.

Yeah and Tito got
Knocked the **** out by B-Hop



does that have ANYTHING to do with the topic or with what I said ?

does that have ANYTHING to do with the topic or with what I said ?


"Trinidad KO'd Joppy......something Hopkins & Taylor (two natural 160lbers) couldn't do.....& Tito even softened Joppy up for those two."

you are saying he didnt something B-hop couldnt do,
which implies he is better,
and i just point out that Tito got KOed by Hopkins

"Trinidad KO'd Joppy......something Hopkins & Taylor (two natural 160lbers) couldn't do.....& Tito even softened Joppy up for those two."

you are saying he didnt something B-hop couldnt do,
which implies he is better,
and i just point out that Tito got KOed by Hopkins
No, Hopkins is simply not a puncher.

"Trinidad KO'd Joppy......something Hopkins & Taylor (two natural 160lbers) couldn't do.....& Tito even softened Joppy up for those two."

you are saying he didnt something B-hop couldnt do,
which implies he is better,
and i just point out that Tito got KOed by Hopkins


No, I am implying that Trinidad is a HARDER PUNCHER than Hopkins.....
That is what this topic is about, right ?

Trinidad KO'd Joppy......something Hopkins & Taylor (two natural 160lbers) couldn't do.....& Tito even softened Joppy up for those two.

He also knocked Cherifi silly.....something no one else at 160 did.


Tito's punching power is still unquestionable at 160....



sturm KO cheriffi in round 3 ;)and keith holems TKO'd him

joppy is ****.....

guys the top is weather titos power will be enough in middleweight divsion.. does anyone know for sure that tito fought cheriffi in middleweight cause his weight is not listed for that fight on boxrec.com..

sturm KO cheriffi in round 3 ;)and keith holems TKO'd him

joppy is ****.....


Taylor & Hopkins couldn't KO Joppy.

Sturm Ko'd Cherifi after Holmes TKO'd him, & Tito brutalized him.

They softened Cherifi up for Sturm.

guys the top is weather titos power will be enough in middleweight divsion.. does anyone know for sure that tito fought cheriffi in middleweight cause his weight is not listed for that fight on boxrec.com..


His power is enough to see him to victory against everyone at 160, but Hopkins.

are u sure tito fought cheriffi at middle?

It was listed as a middleweight fight.
Cherifi is a middleweight.

I'm not sure what they both weighed at the weigh-in, or the night of the fight.

well cheriffi just had 3 super middle weight fights then fought a guy named paul sextius who is a light middle and tito just got KO'd at middle by B-hop so i have doubts it was a middle weight fight and tito KO cheriffi almsot 2 years ago before sturm KO'd him in 3

he only has 3 fights at middle joppy/hopkins/mayorga

1. Joppy is **** and has always been **** look at his record really he got anybody on it? maybe 1 or 2 just maybe

2. mayorga is a fellow blown up welterwieght himself in his first middleweight fight..


3. tito's only real middle weight fight.... he got owned


i dont think tito is really gonna last at middle with big guys like taylor or sturm or joe cal if he comes down.

im not saying tito is overrated just his power at middle


Very true. Good points. When he got beat by Hopkins that was one of the worst technical schoolings I've ever seen. He got completely dominated.

SturmRules.....

Name some good middleweights beaten by Felix Sturm.

Name some good middleweights beaten by Jermain Taylor.

SturmRules.....

Name some good middleweights beaten by Felix Sturm.

Name some good middleweights beaten by Jermain Taylor.


why? i dont see this relating to my topic

O.K.


Then name the good fighters KO'd by those two.....& then tell me how their victories show THEY have the punching power of true middles......which is what you seem to be saying Trinidad doesn't have.

Sturm would get killed by Tito, Taylor sucks. ICP, Violent J would kill Hopkins! Shaggs 2 Dope for President!

well lets see hmm tito KO joppy in round 5 i think and joppy is a true middle weight. yet it took 8 rounds for tito to KO mayorga who was in his first middle weight fight and is just a blown up welter. so my point is tito's power to me will not be effective agaisnt bigger guys liek hopkins/taylor/and sturm who r reall middle weights.

btw sturm beat oscar something tito couldnt do ;)and he KO cheriffi 1 round earlier

btw overrated and not having any are 2 diff things.. yes tito has amazing power even though he has moved up in weight, but is it really that good to KO the true middleweight guys? i say no

Mayorga has one of the best chins in the sport. Tito's power isn't overrated in the least.

well lets see hmm tito KO joppy in round 5 i think and joppy is a true middle weight. yet it took 8 rounds for tito to KO mayorga who was in his first middle weight fight and is just a blown up welter. so my point is tito's power to me will not be effective agaisnt bigger guys liek hopkins/taylor/and sturm who r reall middle weights.

btw sturm beat oscar something tito couldnt do ;)and he KO cheriffi 1 round earlier


You are confusing the hell out of me.

Tito smokes Joppy.....something Hopkins & Taylor couldn't do...
& this proves Tito CAN'T punch at 160 ? Is that what you're saying ?
So what if Sturm did it a round earlier....Tito did it years before.....& almost broke the guy's neck.

Also....Oscar RAN from Trinidad, because he was concerned about Tito's punch.
Oscar stood right in front of Sturm, all night, because he had ZERO fear of Sturm's power.

Just like Joppy....

Sturm & Taylor are not ready for Tito's weapons.
They've never faced anyone who would prepare them for his power & accuracy.

jabs if u want to be honest about it sturm has 10 KO's and taylor has 16 KO's at middleweight. how many KO's at middle does tito have?

If Tito had that many middleweight fights, especially against the low-level guys Sturm & Taylor fought, he'd have about a 100% KO ratio.

You be honest.....you're a German/Euro.....& you fear Trinidad.
You know he'd smoke Sturm.

im american and i am offened u would just asume i was euro cause i like euro a euro fighter

Puh-lease....

You're jocking Sturm & V.Klit like no true-blue American ever would.

Maybe you live in the U.S......but you have very warm Euro-blood pumping through your veins, it's obvious.

I don't have a problem with you being a Euro....I just want you to admit your opinion is fueled more by geography/ancestry than by boxing analysis.

Puh-lease....

You're jocking Sturm & V.Klit like no true-blue American ever would.

Maybe you live in the U.S......but you have very warm Euro-blood pumping through your veins, it's obvious.

I don't have a problem with you being a Euro....I just want you to admit your opinion is fueled more by geography/ancestry than by boxing analysis.


if i was euro why would i be denying it? hey other guys on the board should i be arguing with htis guy or is he the most retarded dude on the forum cause i dont wanna waste my time

if i was euro why would i be denying it? hey other guys on the board should i be arguing with htis guy or is he the most retarded dude on the forum cause i dont wanna waste my time


I hope to God you're not being taught how to write in an American school.
You are butchering the hell out of the English language.

Quit while you're ahead & admit you are not an American.

well cheriffi just had 3 super middle weight fights then fought a guy named paul sextius who is a light middle and tito just got KO'd at middle by B-hop so i have doubts it was a middle weight fight and tito KO cheriffi almsot 2 years ago before sturm KO'd him in 3
Tito got KO'd by Hopkins but has won his other 3 middleweight fights by KO/TKO (Mayorga, Cherifi, and Joppy). His KO percentage is 75% and his win-KO percentage is 100% at middleweight. Can anyone else say that?


well lets see hmm tito KO joppy in round 5 i think and joppy is a true middle weight. yet it took 8 rounds for tito to KO mayorga who was in his first middle weight fight and is just a blown up welter. so my point is tito's power to me will not be effective agaisnt bigger guys liek hopkins/taylor/and sturm who r reall middle weights.

btw sturm beat oscar something tito couldnt do ;)and he KO cheriffi 1 round earlier

btw overrated and not having any are 2 diff things.. yes tito has amazing power even though he has moved up in weight, but is it really that good to KO the true middleweight guys? i say no
Mayorga had NEVER been dropped in his carrer, no, his life. Tito was the first to do it and to do it in an impressive manner. If you look at what counts, Tito beat Oscar and Oscar beat Sturm, period.

lolololol tito beat oscar and oscar beat sturm lolololololol i think even jabs would agree with me that u r wrong

I had Trinidad-DeLaHoya 6rds to 6.

Sturm beat Oscar 8-4, IMO.

see PRbox dont interupt two guys arguing with **** liek that know where were we

see PRbox dont interupt two guys arguing with **** liek that know where were we
What? Jabs had the DLH-Tito fight even, as did I. As for the Sturm fight, I had it 7-5 in favor of Sturm. But, if you look at what matters, the W column, Oscar lost the first and won the second.

Now, what where you saying?

BTW, I believe that Tito would KO Sturm and would win a UD against Taylor, but that's just my opinion. Tito is the second best Middleweight and the hardest-hitting fighter south of 168. Look for Tito to KO Winky in 9. I hope the Hopkins fight gets signed after that because I've seen Hopkins deteriorate as of late and he is finally prime for the pickings. I wouldn't be surprised if Eastman took a page out of Johnson's book and does to Bernard what he (Johnson) did to RJJ.

hopkins will fight the winner of winky/tito i just think titos power is overrated at middle thats all

and u just said oscar beat sturm period? wtf

yes oscar does have the W in the colum he also has the 2004 robbery of the year to go with it also what u say about that?

Tito's power is not overrated. There is no evidence to suggest this whatsoever...

What? Jabs had the DLH-Tito fight even, as did I. As for the Sturm fight, I had it 7-5 in favor of Sturm. But, if you look at what matters, the W column, Oscar lost the first and won the second.

Now, what where you saying?

BTW, I believe that Tito would KO Sturm and would win a UD against Taylor, but that's just my opinion. Tito is the second best Middleweight and the hardest-hitting fighter south of 168. Look for Tito to KO Winky in 9. I hope the Hopkins fight gets signed after that because I've seen Hopkins deteriorate as of late and he is finally prime for the pickings. I wouldn't be surprised if Eastman took a page out of Johnson's book and does to Bernard what he (Johnson) did to RJJ.

You lost your prediction credibility after you said Bruseles would beat Mayweather...

hopkins will fight the winner of winky/tito i just think titos power is overrated at middle thats all

and u just said oscar beat sturm period? wtf

yes oscar does have the W in the colum he also has the 2004 robbery of the year to go with it also what u say about that?
No, I didn't say period, look at my post. You know what I got to say about that? Look at Hagler-Leonard. That was highway robbery if I ever saw it. Look at Burton-Augustus, another paradigm case. So many fights are "stolen" each year that I wouldn't have the time nor energy to list them for you. I think the Leonart-Hagler fight is a great example because while History remembers Sugar Ray as winning the fight, those who saw the fight know that Hagler really won (I've seen it many, many times and I still have Hagler winning at least 8 rounds).


You lost your prediction credibility after you said Bruseles would beat Mayweather...
Haha, you'se a funny dude. I never said he would beat him, merely that it wouldn't be as lopsided as everyone thought it would. I was wrong. Does that mean I can't have prediction credibility in your eyes? So be it. I'm sure you've always been right on the money with your predictions.

Haha, you'se a funny dude. I never said he would beat him, merely that it wouldn't be as lopsided as everyone thought it would. I was wrong. Does that mean I can't have prediction credibility in your eyes? So be it. I'm sure you've always been right on the money with your predictions.

Just a joke, calm down, but one thing remains true...Cotto would get taken to school by Mayweather

I think that Tito's power at middle is not overrated.



BTW FELIX STURM WILL GET KTFO IF HE EVER STEPS INTO THE RING AGAINST TRINIDAD.

Just a joke, calm down, but one thing remains true...Cotto would get taken to school by Mayweather

Cotto will be the first to beat Floyd...Cotto-Floyd 2006!

Yeah and Tito got
Knocked the **** out by B-Hop

this is certifiably the worst come back of the day, congrats rightuppercut.

this is certifiably the worst come back of the day, congrats rightuppercut.

His reasoning behind the post is pretty funny, too..

His reasoning behind the post is pretty funny, too..

you're predictability is becoming boring, kinda like an anti-pac fan.

Tito's power overrated??? Sturmrules have you even seen Tito fight?

Tito's power overrated??? Sturmrules have you even seen Tito fight?

yeah, i read this entire thread and kept on asking myself "wtf is this debate about"

theres no way that sturm could ever man up agains't trinidad, simple. taking out jopppy, cherifi and mayorga and losing to hopkins ... i dunno ... really shouldn't bring up skepticism as to if his power is over rated.

can any of u prove that he fought cheriffi at middle?

Joppy is a joke was he every rated so high is beyond me

took him 8 rounds to get rid of a guy in his first middleweight fight


lost to hopkins..

Tito hit like he had a sledge hammer in each hand when he was younger and i still believe he posses his power and will prove it over his next couple of fights. But hopkins is too good for anyone he is almost unbeatable

can any of u prove that he fought cheriffi at middle?

Joppy is a joke was he every rated so high is beyond me

took him 8 rounds to get rid of a guy in his first middleweight fight


lost to hopkins..

well, tito never went back down to 160 after he fought joppy, his first fight at 160. you can use that as proof, i suppose. joppy in 2001 was pretty damn good, he held one of the 3 main belts ...

its funny because you speak like tito hasn't done anything, when you're on sturms nuts. you should be the last one to ever bash a guy.

Tito is one of the 2 or 3 biggest p4p punchers in the sport today.


Tito is no middleweght compared to B-hop, but really who has he dropped at 160 that is worth hearing about. I mean Mayorga has a great chin but he is no middleweight.

Tito has enough power to hurt most guys at 160. He'll have trouble if the other guy doesnt stand in and trade like Mayorga did. The real question is can he keep the natural 160 pound guys off of him like he COULDNT do against Hopkins.

I think he has the best left hook in the division hands down.

Tito has enough power to hurt most guys at 160. He'll have trouble if the other guy doesnt stand in and trade like Mayorga did. The real question is can he keep the natural 160 pound guys off of him like he COULDNT do against Hopkins.


that is exactly why i asked if his power was overrated for middle

Yeah and Tito got
Knocked the **** out by B-Hop
Irrelevant.

can any of u prove that he fought cheriffi at middle?


Are you serious? How can you argue this? It's undeniable fact. I saw the fight.

I think I see where you're coming from, though. I mean, after all, Trinidad's power pales in comparison to Felix Sturm's. That fella is an absolute terror.

Tito has enough power to hurt most guys at 160. He'll have trouble if the other guy doesnt stand in and trade like Mayorga did. The real question is can he keep the natural 160 pound guys off of him like he COULDNT do against Hopkins.


Your first & last sentences pretty much contradict each other.

There is not a 160lber who punches like Tito. Hopkins is a better fighter than Trinidad.
Sturm & Taylor are not better fighters than trinidad. He'd KO both of them.
All everyone talks about is how easily Hopkins beat Trinidad. I'd be willing to bet that both Sturm & Taylor do worse against the 2005 version of Hopkins, than Tito did against the 2001 version.

can any of u prove that he fought cheriffi at middle?

Joppy is a joke was he every rated so high is beyond me

took him 8 rounds to get rid of a guy in his first middleweight fight


lost to hopkins..
Yes, I saw the fight. Look at the weighins, Cherifi was 160 and Tito was 158, if I remember correctly. I have the fight at home and can verify these for you if you'd like.

ya stupid. If Tito faught Sterm or Taylor he would lose a lopsided fight.

Do you think that Taylor and Sterm are the only ones that DONT know that Tito has power???? You think they are just going to slg it out with him???? Only if they are retarted. Sterm and Taylor would just Jab all night to a decision. Tito cant handle boxers, and im pretty sure Sturm and taylor wont go crazy over night and try to slug it out

Yeah...I'm crazy...


Those guys are not the ELITE type of boxer who will trouble Trinidad for very long.

NEITHER has faced anyone who has Tito's sophisticated weaponry, either.

He'd KO them both in 8 or 9.

To prove Tito has power at 160 who does he have to knockout? Joppy was the 2nd best middleweight at the time, had one major belt and never got beat that bad. Cherifi is a legitamate 160 pounder. Mayorgas not a legitamate 160 pounder, but he has a better chin, lasted longer than Joppy and Cherifi almost combined and would in my opinion beat them both. He lost to B-Hop, big deal he lost to a guy who is concidered the best #for# and hasnt lost in what, over 10 years. So losing to the best makes you not worthy of being in the same weight class? If thats true no one is allowed to be in 154 or 147.

Taylor and Sturm have never faced any1 like tito. Sturm beat an out of shape Dlh and people think hes good. He also beat Cherifi but thats the same guy they make fun of trinidad for fighting. People make fun of tito for beating Joppy or dont look high upon that win, but i would say the 2001 version on Joppy was better than the 2004 version that taylor faced and taylor couldnt even ko him. Joppy is taylors biggest win and every other fighter hes faced wasnt a legitamite 160 pounder. If trinidad faced that same quality of opponents he would be considered the best cuz he would have a 100% ko percentage.

taylor didnt go for the knock out in the joppy fight..other then when joppy made him mad..he could have done it though

dont try n prove jabsRstiff wrong with stupid answeers

he's been watchin boxin for over 20 years and knows it all

Yeah and Tito got
Knocked the **** out by B-Hop
And RJJ got knocked the **** out by glen johnson...lol

ya stupid. If Tito faught Sterm or Taylor he would lose a lopsided fight.

Do you think that Taylor and Sterm are the only ones that DONT know that Tito has power???? You think they are just going to slg it out with him???? Only if they are retarted. Sterm and Taylor would just Jab all night to a decision. Tito cant handle boxers, and im pretty sure Sturm and taylor wont go crazy over night and try to slug it out
OMG, I think I just peed my pants this is so funny. Do you want a list of boxers Tito has beaten? Ok, here you go:

1. Oscar De la Hoya
2. Pernell Whitaker (one of the greatest all-time pure boxers)
3. Hector "Macho" Camacho (a great stylist)
4. David Reid (considered a great boxer before Trinidad dismantled him)

All these fighters lost to Trinidad and all of them had better boxing skills than both of these clowns. Don't get me wrong, I love Taylor and think he will be the next great at 160, but only after Tito and Hopkins are out of the picture.

Winky is considered to have good boxing skills and a great defense. Let's see what Tito can do there and then you can tell me if you think he would beat these two or not.

OMG, I think I just peed my pants this is so funny. Do you want a list of boxers Tito has beaten? Ok, here you go:

1. Oscar De la Hoya
2. Pernell Whitaker (one of the greatest all-time pure boxers)
3. Hector "Macho" Camacho (a great stylist)
4. David Reid (considered a great boxer before Trinidad dismantled him)

All these fighters lost to Trinidad and all of them had better boxing skills than both of these clowns. Don't get me wrong, I love Taylor and think he will be the next great at 160, but only after Tito and Hopkins are out of the picture.

Winky is considered to have good boxing skills and a great defense. Let's see what Tito can do there and then you can tell me if you think he would beat these two or not.

The DLH fight should have been scored a draw...

Pernell Whitaker was beyond shot when he fought Tito...and out of his natural weight class.

Camacho just sucked.

Reid was ****ed anyway because of his eye ailment. This was however a good win.

Sorry PR I was just bieng a *****. I know what you meant.

umm i dont think tito fought them guys at 160 either... and why r u guys ripping taylor and sturm in this topic? i dont see anywhere in my title of the thread that has there names?

I think Tito still has a big punch at 160 but hasnt the chin to slug it out at that weight.

I think Tito still has a big punch at 160 but hasnt the chin to slug it out at that weight.
his chin is always a suspect in all divisions he fought

I have Trinidads whole career on dvd

I like Tito and i dont really like oscar but i'd have to give that fight to DLH

Did u not watch that joppy fight? Joppy wasnt ****, ppl think he's **** cuz the way trinidad destroyed him. I used to like Taylor, but since his win over joppy, wasnt to impressed. Sturm looked good against DLH cuz uhh DLH SUCKED at middleweight. But still a great fighter, would like to see more out of him