Both in there prime's?

hagler. annihilates roid jones.

Hagler is about 5'9 and was a small mid by today's standards. Roy is 5'10 -5'11 long arms and was a big MW even when he fought as one.I see this fight looking a lot like Hagler vs SRL but Roy at MW puts Leonards power to shame.It would be a long night for Marvin, busted up by the mid rounds Roy will take the
UD or TKO him at some point in the fight.

Hagler by TKO

As much as I love Marvelous Marvin Hagler, I think Roy Jones jr takes this one. His incredible speed and great movement, would help him survive the always dangerous Hagler. Even though Hagler could hit pretty hard, Jones had a good punch as well, and with his size and speed advantage, I see him winning by comfortable decision.

Roy Jones Jr by UD.

No way would he get the decision comfortable. Hagler would pressure him all night long, and he might've tried to trick Jones to brawl with him like he did with Hearns and KO him. I believe Hagler could KO Jones at any round, but he wouldn't catch him. No one could. Jones by a close decision.

No way would he get the decision comfortable. Hagler would pressure him all night long, and he might've tried to trick Jones to brawl with him like he did with Hearns and KO him. I believe Hagler could KO Jones at any round, but he wouldn't catch him. No one could. Jones by a close decision.
when have you ever seen someone trick Rj into a brawl ?

I would pick Hagler by stoppage in a 15 round fight.

il go with roy by UD

Roy Jones wud win if he stayed at around the middleweight mark. But if Jones went up to heavy and then came back down, he would get kayoed like he did against Glencoffe.

I think hagler would work figure jones out somehow. late stoppage or win by decision.

Roy Jones in his prime was too fast for a guy like Hagler.But saying that if Hagler could land anything decent then Hagler would win.Roy as you see against Tarver is a coward.If Hagler could hurt him just once Roy would run and lose.If Roy could avoid being hit for the first few rounds maybe Hagler would get frustrated and end up losing like he did against Leonard.

This is a rather easy fight if you see how Hagler performed against the 2 fighters who showed him some movement and not just simply can straight at him...This being Duran, and Sugar Ray Leonard.

My favorite fighter ever was SRL, but at middleweight he was not at his peak, and Roy was not th fighter ray was, but would have natural physical advantages that would lead me to believe that the ray leonard that Hagler fought, including being off 5 years, was no where near what Roy would be if they had fought. No where nears. In fact the leonard that night in 87, was slow actually, but he appeared fast in comparison to hagler. Yes Hagler had slowed, but his demise from 82-87 was not as pronounced as Leonard was, especially since ray was inactive, and was never a middlweight, first fight ever at that weight.

Hmmmm I dont think roy would engage Hagler enough to seriously damage him, as this is not roy's style. I see the fight playing out like the Toney fight.

Near whitwash roy 10 rounds hagler 2. Hagler simply would not be able to hit Roy, and roy would not engage in a toe to toe fight with Hagler..Angles, speed, etc...Roy was simply awesome probably the best raw talented fighter ever...except for Robinson..that is close as well. Now this is not saying he was th best fighter,,because he dropped way down in this category, he was scared to fight top fighters, his jaw was suspect. However, his speed was faster than any fighter ever...Ever. Look at his counters...He did not have the multi-punch combo's like ray excelled at, but his 1-3 punch combo's and counters were the best ever.

roys jones is 2 fast 2 hagler but hagler had alot of power

I would like to say Hagler in this one but I'm alittle shy at doing so because of Jones's speed. Hagler's power, brawling techniques and raw toughness are his best assest's. If he is unable to use 2 out of 3 of these he is at an obvious disadvantage. Roy Jones was a very smart, fast, and slick fighter with ok power. He would use all of these against the tough brawling style fighter in his prime. He would stay at a distance pick his shots and counter off Hagler when Hagler would try to come in. He has ok power but compared to guys like Thomas Hearns, Jones's power is mediocre. In the end it would be Jones taking the fight into the later rounds, probably busting up Hagler a little along the way then towards the later rounds pressuring the slower, now weak Hagler taking him to a tko or cut stoppage. Jones would keep Hagler off balance throughout the fight with his quick accurate and pretty good power.

Haglers best bet to atleast have a shot at winning is to force Jones to the ropes, cut off the ring and get him in a corner where Jones is forced to brawl. Get Jones trading shots make him fight your fight but be ready for alot of chasing. If he does this chances are Haglers raw toughness and power will show, we have already seen he has a better chin throughout his whole career not just his prime compared to Jones. Also Jones's has always been alittle questionable due to his choice of opponents and never actually being hit and often. But my pick still goes to Jones on this one.

Roy only had ok power?Which Jones are you talking about?Roy Jones at middleweight had great power.Just look at his ko percentage and how easy he knocked people out.When he moved up his power dropped off like every other fighter who moves up.

Roy only had ok power?Which Jones are you talking about?Roy Jones at middleweight had great power.Just look at his ko percentage and how easy he knocked people out.When he moved up his power dropped off like every other fighter who moves up.
He had ok power, his punches really hurt fighters due to the location and accuracy they hit them at. He was so awkward he would hit you and boom you were down it dazed them because they couldnt be ready for it. And as I said take a look at his quality of opponents during the years of all those KO's. He used accuracy and speed to get you out he wasnt that much of a KO master in my opinion.

I would like to say Hagler in this one but I'm alittle shy at doing so because of Jones's speed. Hagler's power, brawling techniques and raw toughness are his best assest's. .

I'd say Hagler's ring genereralship and jab are his best assets. His right jab/straight right is the one best in recent history. Jones I think is the superior fighter when it comes to pure athelitcism, that is notably power and speed.

I give this about 50-50. I think Hagler was a better overall boxer and of course much more durable but Jones the superior athelete.

I would pick Hagler to win if I was betting on it. If for nothing else but sentimentiality. Hagler is an overall better fighter despite less having athletic ability.

I see no way hagler beat Roy Jones. At middleweight, we saw what that hagler if you fight him toe to toe, I do not know of anyone that could beat him...not since the 70's, but if you mix in speed, angles, and if your a counter puncher too forcing hagler to lead, then you saw that hagler could not handle a ray leonard that moved up from welter and was out of boxing for the most part of 5 years. I know many will say that Hagler was on the downside, yes but Ray was much slower too then, and never hit hard at middleweight, had no stamina either. If you factor that in, with another performance that hagler agaisnt a person that showed some boxing skill and speed and did not come directly at him (Roberto Duran), and this fight was in 83. You will see that my point that Ray Leonard spoke too and exposed is that no you will not get a lot of die hard boxing fans that like blood to root for your performance when fighting hagler because the way to beat hagler is boxing him, force him to lunger, off balance, force him to lead, then counter and tie up or move.

Hell that is Roy Jones written all over him, and Roy had much more physical advantages at 160 than Ray did, even in Leonard peak. No he is not the pound per pound fighter Leonard is, but at 160 Leonard was not at strong, and adding the additional bulk slowed him a bit, and yes he did not move up until 87 which is 5 years after he retired.


Roy easy victory.

Roy at middleweight was too quick. Roy by UD

If roy stayed in middleweight instead of light heavyweight n heavyweight, he wouldnt have lost a fight...

Roy at middle was, well basically incredible. I dont see any fighter beating Jones at that wieght.

Hagler by KO

roy jones jr k0 6th round

LOL! Anyone who picks Jones by KO are really owning themselves.

This is a tough one. I can see Hagler winning by UD.

Hagler would prolly win a dominant unanimous decision, u cant knock Marvin out and u CAN outwork Roy over the distance (especially if ur the Marvelous One)

Roy only beat Hopkins 8-4 and had probs, and Hops was green then and NEVER became a fighter on the same level as Marv

Hagler couldn't cut off the ring against a slick boxer that could move very good. So how would he be able to catch up on Roy?

Roy in a wide UD.

Roy by UD. And to say that Hagler couldnt be knocked out isnt too reasonable. I mean Hearns rocked him pretty good in the first round of their fight and Roy might be a little stronger than him with likely faster hands. Also if it wasn't for Hearns breaking his right hand on the punch that had hagler rocked he might of been able to finish the fight then and there. The beast is another guy who had rocked hagler in their fight. So lets not just eliminate the chances of a ko happening when it very well could. I really dont think it would happen but its possible. Still with that said if Ray with no power at middle could win a razor decision over hagler, then jones who had loads of power and just as much speed as ray would win a wider decision.

Once Hagler gets past his long arms its all over for Jones imo.

very tough to call this one
id have to go with Jones with a very close decision..but wow what a fight it would have been..

hagler honestly obliterates jones

This fight isn't even close, Ray beat Hearns coming off a huge layoff and he had to jump weight. His speed gave Hearns problems. Roy at middleweight was a huge puncher and his speed was incredible, add to that his ability to work angles and counter punching and his temperment to not want to brawl this fight has Roy winning by TKO or stoppage.

This fight isn't even close, Ray beat Hearns coming off a huge layoff and he had to jump weight. His speed gave Hearns problems. Roy at middleweight was a huge puncher and his speed was incredible, add to that his ability to work angles and counter punching and his temperment to not want to brawl this fight has Roy winning by TKO or stoppage.

:confused:

Marvin hagler is a proven warrior. One of the best middles ever. Jones at 160 was a KO artist I doubt Hag's could shutout a peak toney at 168? Or damn near shutout Hops at 160 with a bad hand. Jones was the fastest humans I ever seen with power at 160. U's Tell me. G-Mike.

hagler honestly obliterates jones

Nope. Jones by Decision.

This fight isn't even close, Ray beat Hearns coming off a huge layoff and he had to jump weight. His speed gave Hearns problems. Roy at middleweight was a huge puncher and his speed was incredible, add to that his ability to work angles and counter punching and his temperment to not want to brawl this fight has Roy winning by TKO or stoppage.
Wow, I picked Jones, but that was one of the dumbest posts ever.

Jones is bigger, physically stronger, faster, and hits much harder. Hagler didn't have devastating power at 160. He was a fighter of attrition. Jones would outbox him, and stun him occasionally with his power. Jones runs away with a UD, or possibly a late stoppage. Hagler having a granite chin at middleweight may not be the case at LHW.:fing02:

Marvelous Marvin would take him out in 4 rounds. He'd just be to brutal a fighter Roy has ever faced. He'd befuddle Roy with southpaw switch hitting and would rough him up before kayoing him!

Jones wins by decision, too fast for Hagler.

Roy Jones.

He has the power of Hearns, only much more skill and defense.

UD or late KO/TKO for Jones

Roy Jones.

He has the power of Hearns, only much more skill and defense.

UD or late KO/TKO for Jones

He has 0% chance of ever finishing Hagler in 1 million fights. But I would likely pick him to win a decision. Unless you're insinuating that he somewhow finishes him on a cut or something like that, because he nor anyone else who ever fought at the weight could KO or TKO Hagler on anything more than a technicality.

Jones is bigger, physically stronger, faster, and hits much harder. Hagler didn't have devastating power at 160. He was a fighter of attrition. Jones would outbox him, and stun him occasionally with his power. Jones runs away with a UD, or possibly a late stoppage. Hagler having a granite chin at middleweight may not be the case at LHW.:fing02:

What on Earth makes you think anyone was talking about a matchup at LHW? He can not(and I am saying that as an impossibility) stop Hagler on anything more than a possible cut.

Roy stops Hagler.

Roy did some incredible things during his day, If a KO would happen - it would be from him.

the obviouse would be a roy U.D but i wouldnt rule out a hagler K.O

Hagler UD

You're all talking about Jones having power but Hagler has the chin to take Jones' shots. One clean shot from Hagler and Jones would be on his ass.

Hagler would pressure Roy and win enough rounds for a UD. Maybe something like 116-112

Marvin hagler is a proven warrior. One of the best middles ever. Jones at 160 was a KO artist I doubt Hag's could shutout a peak toney at 168? Or damn near shutout Hops at 160 with a bad hand. Jones was the fastest humans I ever seen with power at 160. U's Tell me. G-Mike.

THE best middleweight ever!!

The problem with fantasy match ups of this caliber is that it's hard for us to pick against either one of these two great champs in our head. It goes against what we have seen so much in both of them, that they both are WINNERS.
Hagler is an icon in boxing, and only a very few fighter have a realistic chance at ever beating him in a P4F match up at 160. But RJ is one of them and in fact, I'll go on record as saying that Jones wins the decision if they would have fought.
I don't see either one scoring a KO in this match up, as in their prime, neither one took that many clean shots to begin with and when they were hit, their whiskers held up well. Hagler especially. His head was concrete.
Several posters here have accurately pointed out that Ray Leonard's boxing style gave Hagler fits, and that the smaller Duran was able to survive by avoiding an all out slugfest and boxing more. Jones was also smart enough not to engage Hagler in a punch out, so we would see his "A" boxing game instead. And in a BOXING match, no way Hagler outboxes Roy Jones Jr. If other fighters were able to box fits around Hagler, Jones would do more of it and better.

We need to give these great champs enough credit to know that if WE know the best way for one of them to win, then THEY must know it also, in fact, they know it BETTER. Jones is smart enough to figure out what it would take to beat Hagler. You win a fight basically by knocking someone out or out-pointing them. I can't see the smaller Hagler catching Jones enough times flush to take him out. Jones is not going to KO Hagler with ease either.
But I do see Jones outboxing him for a unaminous decision win.

Roy did some incredible things during his day, If a KO would happen - it would be from him.

CERTAINLY not. IF there was a KO or even a Hagler win, it would likely be by stoppage, and it's not an impossibility, just a high improbability. No way Roy even stuns him for more than a couple seconds, even on his best shot. Hagler was better with at least as good a chin as James Toney, and Roy beat on him for 12 rounds without hurting him. Roy wouldn't be beating on Hagler like that in the first place, so sure as hell wouldn't hurt him.

Marvelous Marvin would take him out in 4 rounds. He'd just be to brutal a fighter Roy has ever faced. He'd befuddle Roy with southpaw switch hitting and would rough him up before kayoing him!

How is he gonna take Roy out in four rounds? It took him three to take out Hearns a blown-up welterweight, and jones a natural Lheavyweight is gonna be taken out in 4? And please don't mention the Tarver fight because he was way past his prime and his stamina was woefully affected by his fluctuating from cruiserweight down back to lightheavy. A prime Jones is head-to-head a league above hagler, sorry, but it's true. He's faster, hits harder and just a superior fighter.

How is he gonna take Roy out in four rounds? It took him three to take out Hearns a blown-up welterweight, and jones a natural Lheavyweight is gonna be taken out in 4? And please don't mention the Tarver fight because he was way past his prime and his stamina was woefully affected by his fluctuating from cruiserweight down back to lightheavy. A prime Jones is head-to-head a league above hagler, sorry, but it's true. He's faster, hits harder and just a superior fighter.

Point taken Galveston! I suppose the one thing that could count against Hagler would be that he never tried his luck at LHW and beyond. Don't forget that Hagler had one of the best chins in Boxing history, always was in splendid shape, impervious to punishment and mind you he was very tough to hit. He had excellent speed stamina and power which would just be way too much for Roy. Marvelous Marvin could hit like a 'Mule'. Ther's no doubting that Roy Jones mastery is phenomenal fighting from any distance. Marvelous Marvin would just be too much for Roy in any era they would have fought in. Hagler was one mean SOB who you wouldn't wanna get offside with!

Point taken Galveston! I suppose the one thing that could count against Hagler would be that he never tried his luck at LHW and beyond. Don't forget that Hagler had one of the best chins in Boxing history, always was in splendid shape, impervious to punishment and mind you he was very tough to hit. He had excellent speed stamina and power which would just be way too much for Roy. Marvelous Marvin could hit like a 'Mule'. Ther's no doubting that Roy Jones mastery is phenomenal fighting from any distance. Marvelous Marvin would just be too much for Roy in any era they would have fought in. Hagler was one mean SOB who you wouldn't wanna get offside with!

Marvin could hit like a Mule maybe, but I would bet my money that Jones can hit harder, not only harder but also more effectively. Jones is possibly the fastest light heavyweight to date.

I make the comparison of Hagler to Toney, Toney being bigger and a bit faster. I'm really not seeing a win for Hagler.

my 2 cents, Jones by UD or KO/TKO (I could see both)

How is he gonna take Roy out in four rounds? It took him three to take out Hearns a blown-up welterweight, and jones a natural Lheavyweight is gonna be taken out in 4? And please don't mention the Tarver fight because he was way past his prime and his stamina was woefully affected by his fluctuating from cruiserweight down back to lightheavy. A prime Jones is head-to-head a league above hagler, sorry, but it's true. He's faster, hits harder and just a superior fighter.

I take Jones to win this bout, but your comparison of Hearns and Jones was LAUGHABLE!

Hearns was a blown up Welterweight? Really? Most are under the impression he was better at 154 and had a very hard time making 147, and he won titles up to CW while being in shape and looking the part. Hardly a blown up Welterweight, more like a guy who started out below his natural weight. That's like calling Duran a blown up 118 pounder. And Jones a natural Light heavyweight? How is Hearns a blown up Welterweight and Jones is not just a blown up Junior Middleweight? Hearns was damn near just as big as Jones.

Marvin could hit like a Mule maybe, but I would bet my money that Jones can hit harder, not only harder but also more effectively. Jones is possibly the fastest light heavyweight to date.

I make the comparison of Hagler to Toney, Toney being bigger and a bit faster. I'm really not seeing a win for Hagler.

my 2 cents, Jones by UD or KO/TKO (I could see both)

How do you see Toney standing there like a punching bag never getting legitmately hurt but think Hagler(who would be fighting back profusely) gets possibly KO'd? I'd like to hear it. Jones can't even legitimately rock Hagler the way I see it, maybe a small stun, such as Hearns did, but nothing bad.

I take Jones to win this bout, but your comparison of Hearns and Jones was LAUGHABLE!

Hearns was a blown up Welterweight? Really? Most are under the impression he was better at 154 and had a very hard time making 147, and he won titles up to CW while being in shape and looking the part. Hardly a blown up Welterweight, more like a guy who started out below his natural weight. That's like calling Duran a blown up 118 pounder. And Jones a natural Light heavyweight? How is Hearns a blown up Welterweight and Jones is not just a blown up Junior Middleweight? Hearns was damn near just as big as Jones.

Hearns as big as Jones? Even at supermiddleweight Hears looked pudgy. Jones is lean and hard at 175.

Point taken Galveston! I suppose the one thing that could count against Hagler would be that he never tried his luck at LHW and beyond. Don't forget that Hagler had one of the best chins in Boxing history, always was in splendid shape, impervious to punishment and mind you he was very tough to hit. He had excellent speed stamina and power which would just be way too much for Roy. Marvelous Marvin could hit like a 'Mule'. Ther's no doubting that Roy Jones mastery is phenomenal fighting from any distance. Marvelous Marvin would just be too much for Roy in any era they would have fought in. Hagler was one mean SOB who you wouldn't wanna get offside with!

Hagler didn't want to fight Michael Spinks at light heavyweight. Jones as a bigger man would pose a nightmare for Hagler. Also I think you're overrating Hagler's power. He did not have devastating power at middleweight, while Jones' power at lightheavy was great. Since Hagler never moved up to LHW, you don't know how his chin is going to react. Taking punches from Jones is a whole lot different from taking punches from Alan Minter.

Prime + Roy Jones Jr = unstoppable.

When I think of all time I do believe Jones Jr and hagler are the best ever at 160.. But ill give Roy a 116-112 UD at worst on this in his Prime.

Roy did some incredible things during his day, If a KO would happen - it would be from him.

I dunno Man. Haglers never been knocked out and Roy has a slight glass chin. If anyone is going down it's Roy. Glad someone re-surrected my post though. I should add a poll.

Just added the poll. By reading all responses, it seems somewhat 50/50, maybe a slight lead for Roy.

Hearns as big as Jones? Even at supermiddleweight Hears looked pudgy. Jones is lean and hard at 175.

Are you kidding me? Hearns looked pudgy? Provide a link to a fight where this is true. He was always in good shape and fit for his weight class, such as when he beat Virgil Hill for the Light Heavyweight title.

Are you kidding me? Hearns looked pudgy? Provide a link to a fight where this is true. He was always in good shape and fit for his weight class, such as when he beat Virgil Hill for the Light Heavyweight title.

Ok, maybe I exaggerated a little when I said at supermiddleweight. But definetely at LHW he had a spare tire. Just watch the second barkley fight.

Ok, maybe I exaggerated a little when I said at supermiddleweight. But definetely at LHW he had a spare tire. Just watch the second barkley fight.

Not as cut as at lower days, but pudgy? Spare tire? I don't see it.

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I said Hagler and I do think Hagler could beat Jones if he just ran out of the corner and attacked him the way he did Hearns. Jones wouldn't be able to run all night and while Jones may hit harder, I dont think he could deal with Hagler just going at him like that non stop until he falls down. On the other side though. The fight might be like when he fought Leonard and Jones speed might just befudle him and be to much except Jones hits alot harder so I dont know. I'd lean towards Jones taking a descision in a boring fight with Hagler screaming at him even more emphatically than with Leonard. 'Come on and fight me you pansy.'

I dont think the styles of guys Jones and company who fight a very cautious style would fly in the 80's.

I dont think Jones is at all better fighter but the size and athleticism, speed difference might just be too much. Hagler would have a real chance in my opinion tho