1. larry holmes
2. hopkins
3. chavez

This is based on what I've seen, but also what I've heard from other people.

1) Sugar Ray Robinson
2) Bernard Hopkins
3) Mike McCallum

Sugar Ray Robinson
Larry Holmes
B-Hop

i threw chavez in because he has many different modes, he can stalk/slug or box very well, or just adapt to you and counter. he slugs better than he boxes though, imo. plus his skull is 1/3rd thicker than the avg man so that made him a contender for me ;-)

1. Whitaker
2. Hagler
3. Mayweather Jr.

i think in 5 years or so mayweather would be worthy of that #3, but not yet.

he is definately shaping up to be a great fighter though. and yeah hagler was a great but not really a complete fighter, well I guess he was. Chavez is pretty much like hagler, they can box but prefer to goto war

i think in 5 years or so mayweather would be worthy of that #3, but not yet.

he is definately shaping up to be a great fighter though. and yeah hagler was a great but not really a complete fighter, well I guess he was. Chavez is pretty much like hagler, they can box but prefer to goto war

Do you think Gatti can develop into them, since, he too can box (or jab) but prefers to go to war...even though his chin is no where as near as good as prime hagler and prime chavez's..

I listed Mayweather Jr. in terms of ability, not accomplishments, but I suppose you're right..I'd like to see how good he can be in old age, when some of that speed isn't there.
That's what makes a fighter great when he can change his style to accomodate the physical changes what his body goes through with age..

nope gatti started learning to be a complete fighter just recently, and he was past age 30 when he started learning this, so I doubt he'll make it. Floyd is young, and is already a complete fighter. and I dont see him getting upset this year, he has too good vision/boxing skills/reflexes to get beat.



however look at holmes, his career took off when he was around 30, so I can't ever count out an old warrior

suger ray robinson
suger ray leonard
and suger shane mosley at lightweight
mike tyson in his prime had it all speed,power,combinations,chin,etc
marvin hagler

1. Suger Ray Robinson
2. Joe Louis
3. Willie Pep

1. The marvelous Marvin Hagler
2. George Foreman (Had the power and the smarts)
3. Floyd Mayweather

Ray Robinson
Roberto Duran
Sandy Saddler (I hadn't seen his name yet)
Manny Pacquiao (just kidding)

b hop
pretty boy
chavez

how could you rate oscar above chavez?

l. Ali
2. Hagler
3. Hopkins

or hagler above hopkins.

Ali
Hopkins
Roy Jones
JCC

Ali
Hopkins
Roy Jones
JCC


Indeed RJJ was a class act during his prime, but I'd have to say his defense left much to be desired...

Indeed RJJ was a class act during his prime, but I'd have to say his defense left much to be desired...


at his prime RJJ was untouchable
so he did have defence

Ali
Sweet Pea
Rjj

how could you rate oscar above chavez?
you call yourself a boxing fan... pretty boy floyd mayweather... oscar is golden boy... de la hoya is not even in my top twenty...

you cant compare
DLH and Chavez
completely different styles

you call yourself a boxing fan... pretty boy floyd mayweather... oscar is golden boy... de la hoya is not even in my top twenty...

I read that wrong . but yeah I would hope DLH isn't in your top 3, but I could see him in my top 10 complete fighters. he faced quality opposition, he wasn't too bad of a fighter. he just punked out against tito and bhop, but w/e

if your talking about "pure" boxing skills you would have to look at Chris Byrd. You may not like him but you can not deny his skill level. And obviously Willie Pep and Pernell Whitaker. Power and skill I say Ray Robinson, Henry Armstrong, Thomas Hearns(not counting his chin)and Michael Spinks at Lightheavy..........Rockin'

if your talking about "pure" boxing skills you would have to look at Chris Byrd. You may not like him but you can not deny his skill level. And obviously Willie Pep and Pernell Whitaker. Power and skill I say Ray Robinson, Henry Armstrong, Thomas Hearns(not counting his chin)and Michael Spinks at Lightheavy..........Rockin'

by saying complete I mean well rounded in offense,defense, chin, stamina, footwork, reflexes, and handspeed.

edited- yes ,hearns, one of my top five favorites. if he would've had a chin and like a good left hook I think he could've been undefeated, but the right hand was enough to make him rich at least.

Ali was very close to being a complete fighter.

MArvin Hagler was pretty close to being a complete fighter early in his career.

Of course Ray Robinson.

THE THREE DETROIT BOXERS!!!

1. JOE LOUIS!
2. "Sugar" Ray Robinson!
3. Thomas "The Hitman" Hearns

i will be up there in a few years......just wait

1) Duran
2) Duran
3) Duran

Holmes
JCC
Hagler/Duran

Indeed RJJ was a class act during his prime, but I'd have to say his defense left much to be desired...

If RJJ was such a class act he would never have ducked Steve Collins, Collins was the best Super Middleweight at the time and RJJ new he couldn't beat him. Remember when collins got in the ring after one of RJJ fights and called him out and he just avoided him.

RJJ lost all my respect after this, it was the fight every boxing fan wanted to see and it didn't happen because of one person RJJ, you cant blame the brit this time for ducking a big fight.

Robinson
Armstrong
Hagler
Holmes
Duran
Jack Johnson

Holmes
JCC
Hagler/Duran


Good list, someone knows what I'm talkin about ;-)

Robinson The Greatest
Hopkins, The man can adjust to any style he faces, except Jones
Jones Jr. He schooled Hopkins and Toney

I see everyone's lists
and they all have great fighters
But Come on Why isnt Ali in it???

I see everyone's lists
and they all have great fighters
But Come on Why isnt Ali in it???


there are simply way better complete fighters. ali was good but he was not great, and is overrated, along with marciano.. people just say he was the greatest because of the fact that he beat a prime george foreman, his personality and his ego, his moves inside the ring, and finally, his self-appointed nickname,'the greatest'.

roy jones jr is more of a complete fighter than ali was

1.tommy the hitman hearns
2.roy jones
3.mike (bob) foster

Ali did not have a big punch and his defensive fundamentals were very lacking. Very talented guy but it makes little sense to include him in a well rounded fighter discussion, b-c he simply wasn´t.

Hagler, Robinson and Hopkins are great picks.

I´d add Aaron Pryor, Micky Walker, and Joe Louis as well.

Ray Robinson is the most complete fighter of all time, he could do anything. It didn't seem like it sometimes, but Ruben Olivares could do everything in the ring. Tommy Hearns was very versatile, just look at the first Leonard fight. The one thing he couldn't do was take a punch.

I think Pacman is one of them...two fisted fighter with speed and endurance...KO POWER!!!

I think Pacman is one of them...two fisted fighter with speed and endurance...KO POWER!!!
Now that was uncalled for. I'm here trying to bring credibility to Pacquiao's fans with my objective views on boxing, and **** like this comes out and makes Pacquiao fans look bad.

Now that was uncalled for. I'm here trying to bring credibility to Pacquiao's fans with my objective views on boxing, and **** like this comes out and makes Pacquiao fans look bad.

haha

asian what city do you train in, and how old are ya,and what wt do you fight at?

haha

asian what city do you train in, and how old are ya,and what wt do you fight at?
I train in Jersey City, I'm 17, and I fight at 125 (Or 132, I haven't made 125 in a while).

wow , you have plenty of time to develop..

I'm like 22 and started when I was 20. however I did lots of hvy bag work at home and stuff when I was 16-19, still it's nothin like being in the gym at 17, sounds like you'll be on top in your prime if ya work hard. go pro and get your first 30 wins via the ko.

wow , you have plenty of time to develop..

I'm like 22 and started when I was 20. however I did lots of hvy bag work at home and stuff when I was 16-19, still it's nothin like being in the gym at 17, sounds like you'll be on top in your prime if ya work hard. go pro and get your first 30 wins via the ko.
The key word there is IF. I sometimes lack the focus to stay in the gym. I'm sometimes lazy, but when I'm in the gym I'm really good. My trainer tells me my greatest asset is my love for the sport. Alot of kids my age don't really love the sport, and come in the gym for 2 weeks and leave.

The key word there is IF. I sometimes lack the focus to stay in the gym. I'm sometimes lazy, but when I'm in the gym I'm really good. My trainer tells me my greatest asset is my love for the sport. Alot of kids my age don't really love the sport, and come in the gym for 2 weeks and leave.

yeah man I tell you what. start workin on squat and deadlift and get your lifts up to like 2x your bodyweight and you will be a hard punching son of a ***** when you are around age 19, especially if u go up explosively on every repetition. i guarantee if you do some explosive olympic lifts also youll be the hardest puncher at your gym, however after each set id shadowbox full speed for about 30 seconds, just so when the muscle forms you wont lose as much speed. some say lifting will slow you down, but the truth is you should do it while you are 17-19ish, and develop that core strength.

yeah man I tell you what. start workin on squat and deadlift and get your lifts up to like 2x your bodyweight and you will be a hard punching son of a ***** when you are around age 19, especially if u go up explosively on every repetition. i guarantee if you do some explosive olympic lifts also youll be the hardest puncher at your gym, however after each set id shadowbox full speed for about 30 seconds, just so when the muscle forms you wont lose as much speed. some say lifting will slow you down, but the truth is you should do it while you are 17-19ish, and develop that core strength.
I do some lifting, but the weights at my gym are limited. I will start thinking about that. Right now I'm at 145, so I want to lose weight first and then go into heavy lifting so I can maintain my weight.

I do some lifting, but the weights at my gym are limited. I will start thinking about that. Right now I'm at 145, so I want to lose weight first and then go into heavy lifting so I can maintain my weight.

yeah, luckily I'm a heavyweight, 250+ lb, so I don't ever have to worry about my weight.

yeah, luckily I'm a heavyweight, 250+ lb, so I don't ever have to worry about my weight.
When you're 5"6, it's difficult to get to heavyweight. It's a *****, believe me. And I don't have big arms at all, it's just my legs that are big.

When you're 5"6, it's difficult to get to heavyweight. It's a *****, believe me. And I don't have big arms at all, it's just my legs that are big.


legs are all that really matters anyway, (looks at naz's biceps) that guy had arms like a little kid.

yeah, I wish I was smaller, it sucks to fight in a division where guys are punching unhealthily hard, luckily ive never been on the canvas nor have i gotten caught with a flush professional heavyweight hook, sometimes I wish I was smaller when I watch Bowe speak etc. Scares me, I don't ever want to be like that..but then again that risk is why I love the sport like I do,and why I respect all the greats.

btw does anyone famous train at your gym? since your in jersey I assume theres a few guys I might know at your place

legs are all that really matters anyway, (looks at naz's biceps) that guy had arms like a little kid.

yeah, I wish I was smaller, it sucks to fight in a division where guys are punching unhealthily hard, luckily ive never been on the canvas nor have i gotten caught with a flush professional heavyweight hook, sometimes I wish I was smaller when I watch Bowe speak etc. Scares me, I don't ever want to be like that..but then again that risk is why I love the sport like I do,and why I respect all the greats.

btw does anyone famous train at your gym? since your in jersey I assume theres a few guys I might know at your place
My trainers are Edwin Luis Rivera (15-13) and former NABF Light Heavyweight Champ Jimmy Dupree. I see Joe Gatti alot, and Hector Acero-Sanchez frequents the Union City Gym I'm at. What makes me take my shots so well is that I get hit flush with them and I see and anticipate them. Its stupid for the long run I guess.

there are simply way better complete fighters. ali was good but he was not great, and is overrated, along with marciano.. people just say he was the greatest because of the fact that he beat a prime george foreman, his personality and his ego, his moves inside the ring, and finally, his self-appointed nickname,'the greatest'.

roy jones jr is more of a complete fighter than ali was


How can you call two of the greatest heavyweights OVERRATED?

how can you say the mospopular boxer of all time and a guy who never lost in his carrer overratd?

My trainers are Edwin Luis Rivera (15-13) and former NABF Light Heavyweight Champ Jimmy Dupree. I see Joe Gatti alot, and Hector Acero-Sanchez frequents the Union City Gym I'm at. What makes me take my shots so well is that I get hit flush with them and I see and anticipate them. Its stupid for the long run I guess.

You are with a good crew.

http://img202.exs.cx/img202/4548/jimdupree9mn.jpg

dupree could bang in his day

You are with a good crew.

http://img202.exs.cx/img202/4548/jimdupree9mn.jpg

dupree could bang in his day
Holy ****! How did you find his pic?

Holy ****! How did you find his pic?


just did a google on his name, I knew you'd get a kick out of it.

nice avatar

How can you call two of the greatest heavyweights OVERRATED?

how can you say the mospopular boxer of all time and a guy who never lost in his carrer overratd?


cuz marciano pulled a ricky hatton and won alot of those fights against total bums.

and just because a guy is the most popular fighter of all time doesn't mean he was not overrated. most of the time it's the popular fighters that are overrated, I don't quite understand what you mean.