IMO he is the most versatile, and i miss watchin him fight his strikin was amazin and would have love to see what he could do against fedor.

IMO he is the most versatile, and i miss watchin him fight his strikin was amazin and would have love to see what he could do against fedor.

I agrre very versatile fighter, had some great fights with Frank Shamrock who is also a great MMA fighter, Frank had awsome takedown techniques and he also was excellent on the ground, didnt quite have the striking power that Bas had to get out of trouble but good none the less, i like Royce Gracie he is great, but i also like the full steam ahead style of Bob Sapp and Chuck Lidell.

But in answer to your question, Bas would Definately have to be up there

Bass, naw, great fighter and great character but not one of the best. He had a horrible ground game that was his achiles heel up to his retirement. Though he did vastly improve.

1.)Fedor
2.)gomi hughes, penn, Frank S.,Saku, Crocop...ect

you cant compare fighters back then to now....if you want to look at it relativly then maybe Bass was one of the best.

IMO he is the most versatile, and i miss watchin him fight his strikin was amazin and would have love to see what he could do against fedor.

He would've gotten killed.
In his prime though, Rutten was one of the very best "pancrase" fighter ever.
There's a difference between pancrase and the ufc. and especially Pride fc.
Rutten managed to also win the ufc belt at one point in his career but in a rather controversial decision Vs Kevin Randleman.

BAS was a great fighter. As a striker even today no one is better than BAS, not even Crocop. He was knocking guys down with open fist punches and kicks to the ribs. Problem his best weapon, his kicks, left him open for takedowns.

Early in his career he could apply submissions but had horrible submission defense mainly because he didn't have any training for it. Easier to apply submission than defend it. Late in his career he learned alot more and showed pretty good takedown defense, decent submission reversals and submision defense. If Bas started learning the ground game he would've been all time great but ground game was his flaw.

I don't think his UFC win vs Randleman was controversial at all though. His face got all cut up and maybe shold've been stopped for that but he kept fighting.

IMO he is the most versatile, and i miss watchin him fight his strikin was amazin and would have love to see what he could do against fedor.

Fedor would beat his ass. Even he has admitted he is glad he didn't have to face Fedor. In all honesty, Fedor is the best fighter the world has ever seen, from the beginning of mankind. Someone will come along that is better, but up until now he is the best ever.

[QUOTE=TexDeuce] In all honesty, Fedor is the best fighter the world has ever seen, from the beginning of mankind. QUOTE]


LOL. Stupidity at its finest.

In all honesty, Fedor is the best fighter the world has ever seen, from the beginning of mankind.


LOL. Stupidity at it's finest.

LOL! He could be right, whos better than Fedor?
LOL if you say Bruce Lee

Man Bas is the best ever at his pacase, or whatever, style of fighting.
LOL if you say Bruce Lee

Lol. For one, to say that he's the best the world has ever seen since mankind isn't based on fact because unless you've seen every single person that has fought since the beginning of mankind, you can't make that statement.

Also, you've gotta take into account weapon fighting, sword fighting, different things of that nature. It's just a rediculous thing to say. I'm sure that he'll come in here and argue his ass off. I don't have time to hear it.. so go on Tex. Enlighten us.

Lol. For one, to say that he's the best the world has ever seen since mankind isn't based on fact because unless you've seen every single person that has fought since the beginning of mankind, you can't make that statement.

Also, you've gotta take into account weapon fighting, sword fighting, different things of that nature. It's just a rediculous thing to say. I'm sure that he'll come in here and argue his ass off. I don't have time to hear it.. so go on Tex. Enlighten us.
True.
Fedor is the best , but under mma rules.
Just like Ali was in his prime , in pro boxing
saying that fedor is the best since mankind is ridiculous.
even chuck Norris isn't good enough to be the best since mankind! :D

[QUOTE=TexDeuce] In all honesty, Fedor is the best fighter the world has ever seen, from the beginning of mankind. QUOTE]


LOL. Stupidity at its finest.

Tell me who was better? I would wager that I know MUCH more about real fighting than you. The best fighters the world has ever seen are fighting today, with the mixture of the best martial arts (MMA). Fedor is the best on the planet as of right now, and nobody prior to the MMA era had the knowledge of all of these martial arts combined. Back up your comment with something of intelligence, I have stated my opinion and facts. Please refute and tell me who was better, and if you don't then you are indeed an idiot. And don't say Bruce Lee, please.

I don't have to prove my point more than you have to prove yours. Anyone with any kind of common sense knows how rediculous it is to say that anyone in the world is the greatest since the beginning of mankind without viewing every single fighter that has ever done it-- you can't make a stupid statement like that.

The fact that you'd even try to argue shows how stupid you are.

I'm not even going to waste my time going back and forth with you, it's pointless.

Lol. For one, to say that he's the best the world has ever seen since mankind isn't based on fact because unless you've seen every single person that has fought since the beginning of mankind, you can't make that statement.

Also, you've gotta take into account weapon fighting, sword fighting, different things of that nature. It's just a rediculous thing to say. I'm sure that he'll come in here and argue his ass off. I don't have time to hear it.. so go on Tex. Enlighten us.

You don't know ****. What is this weapon and sword fighting bull****? We are talking unarmed combat here. Completely different thing. How about who is the best gunslinger? How old are you? Back your **** up with some facts or logical statements.

Just because someone hasn't seen every person fight doesn't mean you cant make a judgement on them. If you read and follow the history of fighting, you will know what the top guys did to win and what style was used. For the first time ever (since early 1990's) the best martial arts have been combined. There has been combinations before, but not to the degree of today, with all countries being involved. Thus creating the most complete and best fighters on the planet.

Earlier generations were not afforded this luxury, hence even the best fighters were missing something. It is logical to come to the conclusion that the best of today is probably the best ever.

Personally, i'm on Steelfist's side on this one.
Or Let's just say that I partly agree.

TexDeuce, think about it for a minute. saying that someone is the "best since mankind" is ****ing ridiculous frankly.
Can you imagine for a second?
in the history of "mankind".
It's pure exaggeration and you know it.

What I think we can all agree on. Is that Fedor happens to be a living legend IN MMA. & in our modern history. Let's say in Mediatised combat sports , Yes, Fedor is THE best.
but in the history of mankind? :rolleyes:

imagine the tons of warriors , gladiators of the Roman empire alone! and the people before that. etc... History doesn't start when TV was invented you know. Ok, i'm being sarcastic here. But you get my point right?

Fedor is the best modern mma fighter we've seen. It's already good enough.

Personally, i'm on Steelfist's side on this one.
Or Let's just say that I partly agree.

TexDeuce, think about it for a minute. saying that someone is the "best since mankind" is ****ing ridiculous frankly.
Can you imagine for a second?
in the history of "mankind".
It's pure exaggeration and you know it.

What I think we can all agree on. Is that Fedor happens to be a living legend IN MMA. & in our modern history. Let's say in Mediatised combat sports , Yes, Fedor is THE best.
but in the history of mankind? :rolleyes:

imagine the tons of warriors , gladiators of the Roman empire alone! and the people before that. etc... History doesn't start when TV was invented you know. Ok, i'm being sarcastic here. But you get my point right?

Fedor is the best modern mma fighter we've seen. It's already good enough.

I know it sounds a bit absurd, but if you think about it, it really isnt. The Roman gladiators---good fighters, but not exposed to the world's best martial arts. You think they knew what a triangle, or anaconda choke was? I am just coming to a logical conclusion.

If the people in history weren't exposed to everything (western boxing, bjj, judo, muay thai, sambo etc.), it would be hard to make a case for them being better. Is it certain that he is the best ever? No of course not. But it is a very real possibility. That is all I am saying.

I trained in the Bas Rutten style....and I can honestly say he is 100% NOT the best...remember folks he did NOT win that Kevin Randleman fight.

Well BAS did win the fight so i don't know what you talking about.

Randleman was hot early on and if the fight was stopped I would've agreed. Bas's face look like hamburger patty. When he got checked by the doctor Bas turned it on and Randleman did **** by lay on top of Bas. He even stopped punching in the guard all to together.

BAS ISNT THE GREATEST FIGHTER EVER.
He doesn't have the ground game to be complete fighter.

Gladiators did know alot about submissions and ground work. Not as complete as BJJ but its pretty extensive.

Well BAS did win the fight so i don't know what you talking about.

Randleman was hot early on and if the fight was stopped I would've agreed. Bas's face look like hamburger patty. When he got checked by the doctor Bas turned it on and Randleman did **** by lay on top of Bas. He even stopped punching in the guard all to together.

Gladiators did know about triangles and plenty of submissions. Famous story about one fight waas a champion dying from standing rear naked choke but won because he submitted the guy by breaking his ankle.


I dont know what fight you were watching....Bas absolutely got dominated. Taken down numerous times, slammed, controlled on the mat. All he did was hit from the bottom after Randleman spent most of the fight controlling him. Everyone knows this is one the mose controversial fights in MMA. Bas knows in his soul he didn't win, which in my opinion is why he retired. I even told the Bas camp he didnt win that fight.

Personally, i'm on Steelfist's side on this one.
Or Let's just say that I partly agree.

TexDeuce, think about it for a minute. saying that someone is the "best since mankind" is ****ing ridiculous frankly.
Can you imagine for a second?
in the history of "mankind".
It's pure exaggeration and you know it.

What I think we can all agree on. Is that Fedor happens to be a living legend IN MMA. & in our modern history. Let's say in Mediatised combat sports , Yes, Fedor is THE best.
but in the history of mankind? :rolleyes:

imagine the tons of warriors , gladiators of the Roman empire alone! and the people before that. etc... History doesn't start when TV was invented you know. Ok, i'm being sarcastic here. But you get my point right?

Fedor is the best modern mma fighter we've seen. It's already good enough.

Let me add something else. Saying that the fighters of today, Fedor, are better fighters than fighter of the past because fighting styles are more advanced now that they were in the past isn't logical. Think about it, just because a fighter knows more advanced techniques than another fighter doesn't make him the better fighter, it just makes him the more learned, knowledgeable fighter. You always hear about the pound for pound argument, well how about the knowledge for knowledge argument?

Most people would agree that a fighter with average fighting attributes and a vast knowledge of fighting techniques would win against a fighter with exceptional fighting attributes but little knowledge of technique. However, give the equal amount of knowledge of technique to both fighters and what you'll see is that the guy with the better fighting attributes would come out the victor, thus ruling out the argument that the fighters of today are better because of the knowledge of fighting techniques that they have.


What makes a great fighter? What are a fighters attributes? It's a combination of a lot of things: Strength, speed, agility, instinct, ferocity, determination, will, stamina, intelligence-- the ability to learn, think fast, making quick decision. That's really how you judge a fighter. You take a guy with a high rating in all those aspects and you give him the knowledge of fighting technique, and he'll come out to be a beast. Put him against a lesser fighter with equal knowledge, and the guy with better fighting attributes would be able to utilize his skills to his advantage. His ability to learn, think quick would give him the advantage in making better decisions that would lead to a victory over his/her opponent. That's why it's now impossible to say who the greatest fighter in the world is. To find that out, you'd have to test every single man and woman's fighting attributes that has ever lived.

To me, it's sort of like saying that a 35 year old man who's gone to college and has learned a lot, but has little natural intelligence is a smarter person than a 6 year old kid who hasn't gone to school yet, but has exceptional intelligence for his/her age. If you put a math problem in front of them, the 35 year old man is sure to solve the problem more effectively than the 6 year old kid because he's been tought it. But does that make him the smarter person? Not necessarily. You'd be looking at it unfairly and unbalanced if you judged them by their ability to succesfully solve that problem. However if you looked at natural abilities in reasoning, problem solving, logic.. etc is, then you'd be able to say who the smarter person is, the person with the higher IQ. Give the 6 year old kid a chance to grow up to be 35, and he'd be light years ahead of the 35 year old man was at the same point in his life. The same goes for fighters of today and yesterday. Most fighters of today would most likely win because of what we know now, but it's stupid to say that they're better than the old fighters because you'd be looking at it unbalanced and unfairly.


Fedor has incredible fighting attributes and he has great knowledge of technique that's what makes him so much better than everyone else. But who's the greatest fighter that ever lived? I don't know; it could very well be the college kid walking down your grocery isle.

Bas lost to Ken Shamrock by ankle hold or whatever it's called.

he was a very smart fighter thats what i like

first foght with shamrock he attepted a round kick span around and got taken down

second fight he attempted a round kick missed and gave shamrock a back fist as he went for the takedown

it was so funny shamrock just looked at him in disbelief

Bas's defense on the ankle hold by Ken was hilarious. He tired a choke when Ken had his leg out. He didn't even know how to roll out of it yet.

I dont know what fight you were watching....Bas absolutely got dominated. Taken down numerous times, slammed, controlled on the mat. All he did was hit from the bottom after Randleman spent most of the fight controlling him. Everyone knows this is one the mose controversial fights in MMA. Bas knows in his soul he didn't win, which in my opinion is why he retired. I even told the Bas camp he didnt win that fight.


The Randleman fight I saw with dozens of people from MMA crowd and a few pro fighters too. Some said it should've stopped and I agreed. 1/3rd Bas got murdered, 2/3rd was even, last 1/3rd was all Bas from the bottom. If I scored it on Bas face, Randleman won. Based on how Randleman slowed down as the fight went on, Bas wins it. If he did half as much as Bas at the end of the fight Randle man would've won. They went into OT and Randleman did nothing but get a takedown after taking a hard kick and laying ontop of Bas like he was a pillow when Bas was hitting him from the bottom.