I think it was vB Martin who mentioned to me that Wlad should loose 10-15 pounds and get down to 230-235.

It seems like a good idea now, after carefully rewatching the W-K fight. Steward tries to make Wlad into a big-bodied, imposing fighter who would push other fighters around the ring. This does not seem like a very good strategy. Wlad has a light body type, and extra pounds really burden him, taking his fluidity away.

Of course, Steward and WK know better, but, what do you think?

wlad should stay big. its a great advantage if he can use his size well

I think that offensive wise he should lose 10-15 punds of muscle. In that fight his back and hands were just huge and even though i understand what manny wants to do i think that wlad should be skinnier in order to move better. IMHO his foot work sucks!!! The knockdown was only due to wlad's inability to move properly around the ring

I think that offensive wise he should lose 10-15 punds of muscle. In that fight his back and hands were just huge and even though i understand what manny wants to do i think that wlad should be skinnier in order to move better. IMHO his foot work sucks!!! The knockdown was only due to wlad's inability to move properly around the ring


Exactly, I dont understand the beefed up back muscles and biceps. I suppose it is good for looks, but it does not add speed, slows him down, and requires more oxigen to feed them.

I am 9 inches shorter than Wladimir and weigh 226 today...his weight is fine, he needs Sdunek back. The KO loss to Sanders was blown WAY out of proportion he took a huge amount of drilling shots and kept getting up. Sdunek MUST RETURN!

I am 9 inches shorter than Wladimir and weigh 226 today...his weight is fine, he needs Sdunek back. The KO loss to Sanders was blown WAY out of proportion he took a huge amount of drilling shots and kept getting up. Sdunek MUST RETURN!


Fritz Sdunek is a good trainer and a good man. I dont know why Wlad blew him off.

Because everyone screamed their heads off that something was wrong...he came in cold against one of the most devastating punchers ever...big ****ing deal. He looks like a baby giraffe out there now trying to make Manny happy instead of just going out and treating the other fighter like he isn't even worthy of licking the soles of his feet. Bring back Sdunek!!!!

Because everyone screamed their heads off that something was wrong...he came in cold against one of the most devastating punchers ever...big ****ing deal. He looks like a baby giraffe out there now trying to make Manny happy instead of just going out and treating the other fighter like he isn't even worthy of licking the soles of his feet. Bring back Sdunek!!!!


I think Sdunek was telling Wlad the truth. Manny overpraises Wlad too much, which is not good for a slavic person...
although Manny sounds a lot more reasonable these days than before.

Because everyone screamed their heads off that something was wrong...he came in cold against one of the most devastating punchers ever...big ****ing deal.

Exactly ! I could not agree more. Wlad should have fought a rematch with Sanders to gain his confidence back. It was not a good idea to let his brother do it for him, although they did not really have a choice.

wlad should stay big. its a great advantage if he can use his size well
He's already shown that he can't, so that's a moot point.

As for the weight loss, I went into that on one of my very first posts here.

He's already shown that he can't, so that's a moot point.

As for the weight loss, I went into that on one of my very first posts here.

I agree completely.

I think that Wlad's best weight is 240 lbs. He looked way too bulky against TOS.

I think a rematch with Byrd would do a lot for Wlads confidence. He already knows what to expect from Byrd and there's little threat of Byrd knocking Wlad out.

I doubt this fight will happen, but if it did, IMO - Wlad would gain confidence and a Belt.

Byrd would never fight Wlad again unless he has to!!!

Byrd would never fight Wlad again unless he has to!!!Too bad. I would love to see a rematch

Just about every time i've seen Wlad fight he was about 245 except for the Brewster fight when he was 241 I think!!!

I think that Wlad's best weight is 240 lbs. He looked way too bulky against TOS.
yes, that extra 4 lbs must have been what had him looking lethargic...

Wlad should drop some weight and fight at cruiser where they dont hit as hard.

And at that weight class he wont have to worry about Don King and the bigots drugging him!

Actually he looked so bad not cause of the extra pounds but because of that style he chose to fight. Trying to be defensive oriented jabber with all that weight and throwing combos flat-footed will do you no good. So bring Sdunek back. Or at least if you wonna fight that way drop some pounds.

yes, that extra 4 lbs must have been what had him looking lethargic...

He did look a lot more bulky for 4 pounds did he not.

He's already shown that he can't, so that's a moot point.

As for the weight loss, I went into that on one of my very first posts here.

Hopefully you aren't a Lewis fan. Wasn't that the whole reason why Vitali did so well against Lewis?

I think that he should invest this additional weight in legs and not in big biceps or huge back muscles. At least that would give him a better puch will make him more durable in an off-balance position and improve footwork. Stronger legs are much better then big biceps/triceps for a boxer

Hopefully you aren't a Lewis fan. Wasn't that the whole reason why Vitali did so well against Lewis?
If you look at Big and Little K side by side, Big K has a much larger frame than Little K, therefore is better suited to carrying more weight.

Wlad needs to put weight on his legs, his upper body is big and he has matchsticks for legs!! No wonder his balance is so poor!!

Rofl, if he could put some weight on his chin that would be cooool, sorry guys but you cant fix a glass chin with a few extra lbs, tell you what lets all chip in and buy Vlad a crash hat.........hahahaha

ya i hate to say it but manny just wants to make both wlad and Vit lewis
seems to be working for Vit
but wlads own style suited him much much better

STEWARD haz ZERO to do with VITALI except helping carry the spit bucket. Vitali is with SDUNEK.

STEWARD haz ZERO to do with VITALI except helping carry the spit bucket. Vitali is with SDUNEK.

Which is exactly why he is doing fine now.

STEWARD haz ZERO to do with VITALI except helping carry the spit bucket. Vitali is with SDUNEK.

Iz Zteward ztill going to carry Vitali'z zpit bucket againzt Williamz, Nicht ?

Iz Zteward ztill going to carry Vitali'z zpit bucket againzt Williamz, Nicht ?

That would be the absolute if Vitali came out against Williams fighting like Lewis.

That would be the absolute if Vitali came out against Williams fighting like Lewis.


Neuraxis....



I'm just having fun with "Mr.Literate".

Neuraxis....



I'm just having fun with "Mr.Literate".

Well go nuts then.

Wlad's weight won't help him take a punch. So what does it matter?

What Wlad needs is some skills. :D

That too......

That was limp Jibby, much like your wrists.....

Nautilus, I agree with you about Wladimir. He will be champion. Nautilus, I went to the bookstore and bought a new book. I bought a good book that teaches me to cook. I am not very good at cooking. But it will teach me. I have two months to learn. I will try and make good food. Nautilus, if I ever become good cook, I will make something for you! Nautilus it has happened to me. Please say hello to me when Vitali fights. Bye.

What Wlad needs is some skills. :D


Hate on him as much as you feel like it, but dont be ignorant. as far as skills go in the heavyweight division, Wlad is right at the top, minus the chin. He may not have all the tools necessary to be great, but he has PLENTY of skills.

That too......

Nice to see that you and your buddy above you are busy hating as usual.

Nautilus, I agree with you about Wladimir. He will be champion. Nautilus, I went to the bookstore and bought a new book. I bought a good book that teaches me to cook. I am not very good at cooking. But it will teach me. I have two months to learn. I will try and make good food. Nautilus, if I ever become good cook, I will make something for you! Nautilus it has happened to me. Please say hello to me when Vitali fights. Bye.


Maybe it was too late for me. Cancelling PM did not help. I will say hello. Good bye, angel. :)

Neuraxis...

I don't hate Wlad.

You know what I do hate ?
One-trick pony posters who try & argue with those far more well-rounded in the sport.

All you know, or care about, is Wlad Klitschko.
The sad part is, you either don't know or won't accept the TRUTH about him.

The truth = Not a real fighter. Too mechanical, too tense. No head movement. No stamina, no chin, no ability to handle a crisis.
Excellent offensive tools, that go south once the heat's on.

Hate on him as much as you feel like it, but dont be ignorant. as far as skills go in the heavyweight division, Wlad is right at the top, minus the chin. He may not have all the tools necessary to be great, but he has PLENTY of skills.


Blah, blah, blah, blah!!

Wake up dreamer!

Santa Clause really exists, the Easter Bunny is real and Wlad is a true Champion.

if you believe in one of these 3 things than you are a freakin idiot!

Nice to see that you and your buddy above you are busy hating as usual.

No one 'haten" here. We are just giving are honest opinions. :D

Wlad needs skills!!, Wlad needs skills!!,Wlad needs skills!!,
Wlad needs skills!!,Wlad needs skills!!,Wlad needs skills!!Wlad needs skills!!Wlad needs skills!!Wlad needs skills!!Wlad needs skills!!Wlad needs skills!!Wlad needs skills!!Wlad needs skills!!


Getting my point there genius!?

No one 'haten" here. We are just giving are honest opinions. :D

Wlad needs skills!!, Wlad needs skills!!,Wlad needs skills!!,
Wlad needs skills!!,Wlad needs skills!!,Wlad needs skills!!Wlad needs skills!!Wlad needs skills!!Wlad needs skills!!Wlad needs skills!!Wlad needs skills!!Wlad needs skills!!Wlad needs skills!!


Getting my point there genius!?

So now the best offensive heavyweight needs skills. Please go sit in the corner and don't forget to bring your dunce cap with you.

Neuraxis...

I don't hate Wlad.

You know what I do hate ?
One-trick pony posters who try & argue with those far more well-rounded in the sport.

All you know, or care about, is Wlad Klitschko.
The sad part is, you either don't know or won't accept the TRUTH about him.

The truth = Not a real fighter. Too mechanical, too tense. No head movement. No stamina, no chin, no ability to handle a crisis.
Excellent offensive tools, that go south once the heat's on.

You obviously have only seen two Wlad fights or you are forgetting about Wlad pre Brewster.

Wrong !

I've seen every Wlad fight that's been on HBO/Showtime.

Wrong !

I've seen every Wlad fight that's been on HBO/Showtime.

So then how can you say he didn't have any head movement? When preBrewster he had plenty of it.

Wlad was never tested in those pre-Sanders fights bro.

I've seen him fail his tests.

I like how you geeks are so in love with his performance over Mercer.
Mercer's fights with Jeff Peguese & Don Steel sure showed us Ray was IN HIS PRIME.

So then how can you say he didn't have any head movement? When preBrewster he had plenty of it.


NOW.....I know you are full of **** !

He NEVER moved his head....NEVER.

Stop this masturbation, please.

Wlad was never tested in those pre-Sanders fights bro.

I've seen him fail his tests.

I like how you geeks are so in love with his performance over Mercer.
Mercer's fights with Jeff Peguese & Don Steel sure showed us Ray was IN HIS PRIME.

What's your opinion of tested?

NOW.....I know you are full of **** !

He NEVER moved his head....NEVER.

Stop this masturbation, please.

Well I guess you haven't seen him fight except his last 2 fights then. Its settled.

No, idiot....I think you don't know a damn thing about boxing.

In fact....you keep harping that Steward changed his style.
If Steward changed his style from a Euro to an American one....wouldn't that include MORE head movement....seeing how Euro's HATE to move their heads ?

There was no head movement when he fought Barrett, Shufford, or McCline.
he just beat on them, & had little return fire to worry about.
Ahhhh, little return to worry about = How one becomes a FRONTRUNNER.

No, idiot....I think you don't know a damn thing about boxing.

In fact....you keep harping that Steward changed his style.
If Steward changed his style from a Euro to an American one....wouldn't that include MORE head movement....seeing how Euro's HATE to move their heads ?

Yes but as Jose already pointed out Wlad's style was never 100% Euro. Vitali has no headmovement, Wlad had some.

Yes but as Jose already pointed out Wlad's style was never 100% Euro. Vitali has no headmovement, Wlad had some.


This is wrong!!! Vitali has tremendous head movement!!! He just doesn't block with his gloves!!! Wlad has little head movement and blocks with his gloves and arms really well!!!

Wlad in the fight with TOS was slipping punches really well though!!! Besides getting caught off balance!!!

So now the best offensive heavyweight needs skills. Please go sit in the corner and don't forget to bring your dunce cap with you.

"The best offensive heavyweight"

My goodness Neuraxis, where in God's name did you ever hear or read that? Mate, I think someone has been reading you some bed time stories.

who is then?

chrisp tyrd?

I have no ****ing idea where some of you guys get all this hate from. I think it has been established that he isn't the heir apparent to the throne that many thought he was, so why are some of you guys still acting like everyone that has a positive opinion of one of his performances still thinks he is a world beater? Clearly, he has work to do if he is going to become a champion. Manny was telling to take it easy, to lay back, because I guess Manny was afraid Wlad would run out of gas, that had alot to do with him fighting the way he did. I mean, I can't ****ing stand James Toney, or Mayorga. I was laughing my ass off when Mayorga got beat the **** up by a man he repeatedly called a *****, now it's Toney's turn. But I will give credit where it's due. How has Wlad become that big a piece of **** just because he hasn't lived up to the hype that was initially created around these two? He is always respectfull to other people in general, not just to fighters, and yet some of you guys want to talk **** about guys like him, and kiss the asses of loudmouthed idiots that some of you claim are good for the sport? I just don't ****ing understand it.

"The best offensive heavyweight"

My goodness Neuraxis, where in God's name did you ever hear or read that? Mate, I think someone has been reading you some bed time stories.

Are you joking or what? Even Wlad haters admit this fact. You are thoroughly discrediting yourself here pal.

I have no ****ing idea where some of you guys get all this hate from. I think it has been established that he isn't the heir apparent to the throne that many thought he was, so why are some of you guys still acting like everyone that has a positive opinion of one of his performances still thinks he is a world beater? Clearly, he has work to do if he is going to become a champion. Manny was telling to take it easy, to lay back, because I guess Manny was afraid Wlad would run out of gas, that had alot to do with him fighting the way he did. I mean, I can't ****ing stand James Toney, or Mayorga. I was laughing my ass off when Mayorga got beat the **** up by a man he repeatedly called a *****, now it's Toney's turn. But I will give credit where it's due. How has Wlad become that big a piece of **** just because he hasn't lived up to the hype that was initially created around these two? He is always respectfull to other people in general, not just to fighters, and yet some of you guys want to talk **** about guys like him, and kiss the asses of loudmouthed idiots that some of you claim are good for the sport? I just don't ****ing understand it.

theyre jealous

It sure seems that way lol

i mean it wasnt long ago he was at the top of the division, hes rich and bangs the hottest chicks

how can you blame the haters?

Are you joking or what? Even Wlad haters admit this fact. You are thoroughly discrediting yourself here pal.

Blow me dude! You are a friggin imposter!

You're man is a dud!

Blow me dude! You are a friggin imposter!

You're man is a dud!

And why do you say that?

wlad need to stop lifting those weights, thats for shure

And why do you say that?

Don't mind him he doesn't even know who Wlad is. He is obviously a noob.

...that happened when Corrie Sanders took his heart! Those don't grow back :eek:

...that happened when Corrie Sanders took his heart! Those don't grow back :eek:

heres a new topic
should sweet dick willy lose ten or fifteen pounds?
from each arm, belly, chin, back, and his ass?

or just put a shirt on?

I'm not sure 10 or 15 pounds would make a dent, he could lose 10 or 15 pounds off of each of those c-cup manboobs, which grow back by the way, Free willy, so don't be afraid of losing them forever if you one day decide to diet, the way you claim Wlad has lost his heart forever. Son of a *****, that's good stuff lol

...that happened when Corrie Sanders took his heart! Those don't grow back :eek:

you have big nips

Wanna suck 'em?

And why do you say that?

I've worked and lived in Hamburg for several years and I have seen these two brothers fight live here in Europe. I've seen these two brothers train live in the gym along with the ex champion Dariusz Michalczewski. They're clumsy and they aren't quick at all. Their skills are peaking yes, but they are over-rated!

I'm not a "hater". I love the fact that the European's are finally making a dent in professional boxing. It's great to see these two guys finally escape the shadow of Lewis.

But when I start reading quotes like, "Wlad has quicker hands than Tyson" and Wlad is the most offensive boxer in the hW division" is just complete nonsense.

I've worked and lived in Hamburg for several years and I have seen these two brothers fight live here in Europe. I've seen these two brothers train live in the gym along with the ex champion Dariusz Michalczewski. They're clumsy and they aren't quick at all. Their skills are peaking yes, but they are over-rated!

I'm not a "hater". I love the fact that the European's are finally making a dent in professional boxing. It's great to see these two guys finally escape the shadow of Lewis.

But when I start reading quotes like, "Wlad has quicker hands than Tyson" and Wlad is the most offensive boxer in the hW division" is just complete nonsense.

So I guess you are calling Tommy Brooks a liar then?

So I guess you are calling Tommy Brooks a liar then?

Hey, Tommy Brooks has his opinion and I also have mine. Just like the rest of the members on this site.