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DLT
02-06-2005, 11:33 AM
Does anyone think so? Spinks was hurt but he was making Zab miss like crazy most of the time, and then Zab stopped punching and was bull ****ing. I dont think I wouldve stopped it yet. I wouldve made Judah pay the price for stopping to much. There was only 15 seconds left in the round but the ref doesnt know that so it's hard to say. Spinks manager said that he was about to stop it anyway so it doesnt matter. I also think Judah played an inexperienced ref when he was telling him to stop it. It reminded me of the Calzaghe-Mitchell fight. Do you think that Spinks couldve cleared his head in between rounds and survived the next round? He still might wouldnt have made it out the round because he bounced of the ropes the last time with his hands down and Judah ****ed back the left like he was going to decapitate him. Did you guys see when Judah hurt him the first time? It looked like he made Spinks do the Matrix :D.

I also disagree with people about Spinks moving up in weight. I think he still can. He doesnt need power because his D and boxing skills are so good. It will be hard for anyone to beat him including Tito. Zab matches up with him great because he is a lefty and super fast. No one else up there is. It still was hard for Judah to reach him. Those other guys wont be able to

spinksjinx
02-06-2005, 11:45 AM
Does anyone think so? Spinks was hurt but he was making Zab miss like crazy most of the time, and then Zab stopped punching and was bull ****ing. I dont think I wouldve stopped it yet. I wouldve made Judah pay the price for stopping to much. There was only 15 seconds left in the round but the ref doesnt know that so it's hard to say. Spinks manager said that he was about to stop it anyway so it doesnt matter. I also think Judah played an inexperienced ref when he was telling him to stop it. It reminded me of the Calzaghe-Mitchell fight. Do you think that Spinks couldve cleared his head in between rounds and survived the next round? He still might wouldnt have made it out the round because he bounced of the ropes the last time with his hands down and Judah ****ed back the left like he was going to decapitate him. Did you guys see when Judah hurt him the first time? It looked like he made Spinks do the Matrix :D.

I also disagree with people about Spinks moving up in weight. I think he still can. He doesnt need power because his D and boxing skills are so good. It will be hard for anyone to beat him including Tito. Zab matches up with him great because he is a lefty and super fast. No one else up there is. It still was hard for Judah to reach him. Those other guys wont be able to


The stoppage was late in my opinion, When Spinks was wobbled and looked like a weeble but didnt fall down and bounced into the ropes and didnt throw any punches thats when the fight should have been stopped, Not when he was bounced from one side to the other and all the way across the other side.

It was late in my opinion, Spinks didnt throw one punch or keep his guard up. The guy was completely out on his feet.

Rick Reeno
02-06-2005, 11:56 AM
I agree, Zab stopped punching twice and asked the ref to stop it because he said Cory's eyes were rolling to the back of his head. He said he didnt want to see Cory get seriously hurt.

Slipx
02-06-2005, 12:03 PM
I agree, Zab stopped punching twice and asked the ref to stop it because he said Cory's eyes were rolling to the back of his head. He said he didnt want to see Cory get seriously hurt.

yeah, that's when I gained more respect for Judah. Especially when he said "Ya know'm'sayin he got a wife and two kids too know'msayin I didnt wanna hurt him or kill him"

mic573
02-06-2005, 12:06 PM
The stoppage was right and it was good to see Zab actually care about another fighter and not wanting to hurt him seriously.

Tha Greatest
02-06-2005, 12:29 PM
I respect what zab judah did last night
most of us would've expected him to do somethin dirty

but he seemed to show lots of respect for Spinks

IN and OUT of the RING

marvdave
02-06-2005, 12:45 PM
Zab showed class last night which is the last thing I would have expected. Props to him. Stoppage was fine. Spinks was out.

on a side note about Leon Spinks. When he smiles real big, doesn't it remind you of the Whale in Pinnochio? or is that just me? :D

dansweeney
02-06-2005, 12:53 PM
Does anyone think so? Spinks was hurt but he was making Zab miss like crazy most of the time, and then Zab stopped punching and was bull ****ing. I dont think I wouldve stopped it yet. I wouldve made Judah pay the price for stopping to much. There was only 15 seconds left in the round but the ref doesnt know that so it's hard to say. Spinks manager said that he was about to stop it anyway so it doesnt matter. I also think Judah played an inexperienced ref when he was telling him to stop it. It reminded me of the Calzaghe-Mitchell fight. Do you think that Spinks couldve cleared his head in between rounds and survived the next round? He still might wouldnt have made it out the round because he bounced of the ropes the last time with his hands down and Judah ****ed back the left like he was going to decapitate him. Did you guys see when Judah hurt him the first time? It looked like he made Spinks do the Matrix :D.

I also disagree with people about Spinks moving up in weight. I think he still can. He doesnt need power because his D and boxing skills are so good. It will be hard for anyone to beat him including Tito. Zab matches up with him great because he is a lefty and super fast. No one else up there is. It still was hard for Judah to reach him. Those other guys wont be able to


you are crazy, the only guy paying a price would have been spinks, what you want a guy killed in the ring? how many unanswered flush shots you want the guy to take? only pride kept him up, he was out on his feet man

m00ks
02-06-2005, 01:33 PM
It was the beginning of the end. It wasn't prematurely stopped, Judah was pretty much landing at will after he looked at the ref. Put it this way, if Spinks was still ok he would have hit Judah back when the latter was constantly turning to the ref. But nah, he was dizzy and his eyes were rolled. didn't know where he was no mo. Ref shoudl have stopped it then and there. Also no way Spinks was gonna recover even if he made it through teh round. Judah would have unloaded on his ass and he still would have been put to sleep.

Zab Super Judah
02-06-2005, 01:40 PM
the stoppage was actually alittle late....Cunningham(spinks trainer) said that he was on his way to stopping it anyway when the ref stopped it

spinksjinx
02-06-2005, 01:43 PM
the stoppage was actually alittle late....Cunningham(spinks trainer) said that he was on his way to stopping it anyway when the ref stopped it


It's true, Watch the tape you can see when Spinks gets smacked from the one side to the ring to the other Cunningham is walking up the steps.

Good call on his camps behalf, although I thought the Judge stopped it way to late. Had Zab had the killer instinct most boxers do, Cory could have been seriously hurt.

Marjoh
02-06-2005, 01:44 PM
Judah paused for a while. If he didn't and continued on, Spinks would be hurt more than he is when it was stopped. So no. I don't think it was stop prematurely.

ottoevans
02-06-2005, 02:48 PM
Judah wanted the ref to stop the fight not because he didnt want to hurt the man, it was cause he wanted to win, come on now

tracylee
02-06-2005, 02:55 PM
The stoppage was late in my opinion, When Spinks was wobbled and looked like a weeble but didnt fall down and bounced into the ropes and didnt throw any punches thats when the fight should have been stopped, Not when he was bounced from one side to the other and all the way across the other side.

It was late in my opinion, Spinks didnt throw one punch or keep his guard up. The guy was completely out on his feet.

I hate to admit it, but its true. Cory didnt need to take anymore of that punishment..the fact that he got caught like that while trying to 'slip', or whatever, was proof that it was over. He just does not get caught like that..not while he has his 'bearings' anyway. That truly sucked! :(

scramwarrior
02-06-2005, 03:05 PM
Yeah, it was over for Spinks. He was dazed and confused out there. I guess we got to see what would've happened if Mayorga was actually able to hit him one good time in their fight.

spinksjinx
02-06-2005, 03:11 PM
Yeah, it was over for Spinks. He was dazed and confused out there. I guess we got to see what would've happened if Mayorga was actually able to hit him one good time in their fight.


Im glad it was Zab over Mayorga, atleast Zab is a credible boxer.

tracylee
02-06-2005, 03:12 PM
Im glad it was Zab over Mayorga, atleast Zab is a credible boxer.


Man aint that the truth!!! ;)

Zab Super Judah
02-06-2005, 03:13 PM
Judah wanted the ref to stop the fight not because he didnt want to hurt the man, it was cause he wanted to win, come on now


Judah already knew he had the fight won when he hurt spinks with the 2 lefts...some people think of judah as a punkass but he still doesnt want to hurt another fighter...him and spinks are friends I assume and hewas asking the ref to stop it because he said spinks eyes rolled back.....so u saying he wanted the fight stopped only because he wanted the win is just stupid.....he alreayd knew he was gonna win...but he wasnt willing to hurt someone on the way to victory

borikua
02-06-2005, 03:25 PM
Good call by the ref..I would like to see Zab against DLH or Mosley next.

scramwarrior
02-06-2005, 03:32 PM
Im glad it was Zab over Mayorga, atleast Zab is a credible boxer.
Yeah, Zab is a way more skilled boxer than Mayorga. There is no debating that. I was just pointing out that his chin has never been tested because of his chronic get-out-of-the-way style

spinksjinx
02-06-2005, 03:34 PM
Good call by the ref..I would like to see Zab against DLH or Mosley next.


I disagree, I believe the ref was to interested in the fight as a spectator and let it go on to long. Spinks was rocked hard and wobbled like a noodle and when Judah backed off the ref should have stepped in and said no no, But Judah kept throwing to get the refs attention and the ref was in awe and let it continue. I praise Zab for his responsibility in looking out for his opponent the ref gets my thumbs down, that charade went on for over 30 seconds and Spinks kept his hands down and threw no punches. The ref was not doing his job as the third man in the ring.

borikua
02-06-2005, 03:37 PM
but he had the pressure that he was in Cory hometown...I would blame more Cory's corner than the ref.

spinksjinx
02-06-2005, 03:41 PM
but he had the pressure that he was in Cory hometown...I would blame more Cory's corner than the ref.


Perhaps so but getting heat on you shouldnt matter as a referee, You are in their to protect the 2 fighters from any serious harm and Spinks was in the red. The fact that Spinks trainer was almost on the ring apron grabbing the ropes while Spinks was getting pummeled on the other side makes for good argument that the ref should have stopped it, if the corner was that close to.

Spinks was in serious trouble.

DR. FREECLOUD
02-06-2005, 04:16 PM
Does anyone think so? Spinks was hurt but he was making Zab miss like crazy most of the time, and then Zab stopped punching and was bull ****ing. I dont think I wouldve stopped it yet. I wouldve made Judah pay the price for stopping to much. There was only 15 seconds left in the round but the ref doesnt know that so it's hard to say. Spinks manager said that he was about to stop it anyway so it doesnt matter. I also think Judah played an inexperienced ref when he was telling him to stop it. It reminded me of the Calzaghe-Mitchell fight. Do you think that Spinks couldve cleared his head in between rounds and survived the next round? He still might wouldnt have made it out the round because he bounced of the ropes the last time with his hands down and Judah ****ed back the left like he was going to decapitate him. Did you guys see when Judah hurt him the first time? It looked like he made Spinks do the Matrix :D.

I also disagree with people about Spinks moving up in weight. I think he still can. He doesnt need power because his D and boxing skills are so good. It will be hard for anyone to beat him including Tito. Zab matches up with him great because he is a lefty and super fast. No one else up there is. It still was hard for Judah to reach him. Those other guys wont be able to


thats some of the funniest **** i have ever heard

riz
02-06-2005, 04:31 PM
The stoppage was late in my opinion, When Spinks was wobbled and looked like a weeble but didnt fall down and bounced into the ropes and didnt throw any punches thats when the fight should have been stopped, Not when he was bounced from one side to the other and all the way across the other side.

It was late in my opinion, Spinks didnt throw one punch or keep his guard up. The guy was completely out on his feet.


ref stopped it too late........... if it went on for 10 more sec.. he wudve died

tri4ben2
02-06-2005, 04:42 PM
If there were no ropes, Spinks would have been down.

You could make the argument that Spinks could have got a standing 8 because the ropes held him up.

I think that when Judah had him out, Judah could have gone to the body and made Spinks crumpble and won it that way instead of having to wait for the ref.

vB Martin
02-06-2005, 04:44 PM
I'm not normally given to making personal comments on this board, but Jeebus Christ, this has got to be the stupidest question I have ever seen asked here.

damonbleed
02-06-2005, 05:10 PM
If it was premature Spinks would have hit Judah when he was walking with his hands down talking to the ref.The stoppage was pretty late IMO.

boxernyc
02-06-2005, 05:56 PM
thats some of the funniest **** i have ever heard

I agree. Spinks - Tito? What the F?

And I think it should have been stopped when Zab backed off. If he says he says Spink's eyes rolling around the ref should have seen the same thing and stopped it.

The1God
02-06-2005, 06:02 PM
If there were no ropes, Spinks would have been down.

You could make the argument that Spinks could have got a standing 8 because the ropes held him up.

I think that when Judah had him out, Judah could have gone to the body and made Spinks crumpble and won it that way instead of having to wait for the ref.


I think the stoppage was perfect, spinx may have recouped, he was the champ, the ref was giving him an oppertunity. This is one fight I would have like to have seen a Standing 8, but they rarely use the standing 8.. I think the ref would have issued an 8 before the flush shots. Hats off to Judah, now he needs to puplicly appologize to Jay Nady.

Eyeh8you
02-06-2005, 07:58 PM
Man that MF was a walkin potato. Even Judah was like "Hey you gonna stop this ref?". Spinks would have been made into sweetpotato pie if it were to continue!

PRboxingfan
02-06-2005, 08:22 PM
Spinks wanted to fight Trinidad; can you imagine him getting hit by Tito? Zab almost knocked his head off, Tito would've sent him into next week. Tito is taller, rangier, stronger, and a more acurate puncher than Judah. Spinks better thank his lucky stars DK didn't make that fight.

neils7147933
02-06-2005, 08:24 PM
I didn't sense that the live crowd had a problem with the stoppage.

Maybe that was because 2 fights before a previously undefeated fighter lay motionless in the corner for 5 or more minutes, was fitted for a neckbrace, and taken out of the arena in a stretcher to the hospital.

Truth
02-06-2005, 08:27 PM
I agree, Zab stopped punching twice and asked the ref to stop it because he said Cory's eyes were rolling to the back of his head. He said he didnt want to see Cory get seriously hurt.

I agree theres no way it was premature Cory was hurt and was just going to get hurt worse if the fight went on.

Eyeh8you
02-06-2005, 08:31 PM
I didn't sense that the live crowd had a problem with the stoppage.

Maybe that was because 2 fights before a previously undefeated fighter lay motionless in the corner for 5 or more minutes, was fitted for a neckbrace, and taken out of the arena in a stretcher to the hospital.
LMFAO
you must have voted for the loser
real smooth sparky!

DiegoFuego
02-06-2005, 11:21 PM
Zab even thought it was overkill. He looked at the ref like WTF man!! And that is saying something as Zab is a killer in the ring.

jack_the_rippuh
02-06-2005, 11:27 PM
Yo, Nice avatar, Borikua, but those middleweights of today look b-level compared to those boxers of the 80s. Oh yeah and remember, kid, "Cotto is not Tito.."

DLT
02-07-2005, 01:41 AM
Spinks wanted to fight Trinidad; can you imagine him getting hit by Tito? Zab almost knocked his head off, Tito would've sent him into next week. Tito is taller, rangier, stronger, and a more acurate puncher than Judah. Spinks better thank his lucky stars DK didn't make that fight.
Like I said at the bottom of this thread, I think Spinks would hold his own with Tito and might win

Mr. Violence
02-07-2005, 01:51 AM
Does anyone think so? Spinks was hurt but he was making Zab miss like crazy most of the time, and then Zab stopped punching and was bull ****ing. I dont think I wouldve stopped it yet. I wouldve made Judah pay the price for stopping to much. There was only 15 seconds left in the round but the ref doesnt know that so it's hard to say. Spinks manager said that he was about to stop it anyway so it doesnt matter. I also think Judah played an inexperienced ref when he was telling him to stop it. It reminded me of the Calzaghe-Mitchell fight. Do you think that Spinks couldve cleared his head in between rounds and survived the next round? He still might wouldnt have made it out the round because he bounced of the ropes the last time with his hands down and Judah ****ed back the left like he was going to decapitate him. Did you guys see when Judah hurt him the first time? It looked like he made Spinks do the Matrix :D.

I also disagree with people about Spinks moving up in weight. I think he still can. He doesnt need power because his D and boxing skills are so good. It will be hard for anyone to beat him including Tito. Zab matches up with him great because he is a lefty and super fast. No one else up there is. It still was hard for Judah to reach him. Those other guys wont be able to


Nah, I disagree with you....the stoppage was right on the money....Spinks could have been seriously hurt.

Kornhusker
02-07-2005, 08:58 AM
I didn't see the fight, but does anybody else see the irony of crazy legs asking a ref to stop a fight?

england4ever
02-07-2005, 09:17 AM
I feel that the ref was right to stop the fight. Everyone could see that Spinks was a human punchbag and it saved him more punishment.