What would that fight be like??

And why the hell didnt they fight?

Liston was 9years younger and was up and coming under Marciano`s time.So why didnt they ever fight?

Liston was 2-3 inces taller and 20 pounds heavyer. And more skilled.

But he stod still and boxed so i see marciano coming too him and bather him badly and stops him in 10.

Marciano would have beat him because Liston was a quitter.

Liston was 9years younger and was up and coming under Marciano`s time.So why didnt they ever fight?

Liston was 2-3 inces taller and 20 pounds heavyer. And more skilled.

But he stod still and boxed so i see marciano coming too him and bather him badly and stops him in 10.

Marciano's skills are very underated, there's method behind the great fighters rampaging style.

Marciano KO.

Marciano's skills are very underated, there's method behind the great fighters rampaging style.

Marciano KO.

Well i wouldnt say he was very skilled but he fought smart.

Yeah i also think the rock would win.

I think he`s the greatest ever.

Marciano's skills are very underated, there's method behind the great fighters rampaging style.

Marciano KO.
I agree. Marciano was a slugger in most critics' eyes, but he was very smart about it. I always thought Liston was similar, though. It would be tough to determine the outcome of this fight, but I guess Marciano's stamina would be the deciding factor. Marciano by late round KO.

The thing is had marciano fought today, he would have lost several by tko cause of the stricter refs.

The thing is had marciano fought today, he would have lost several by tko cause of the stricter refs.
Yep, you're exactly right. Today, the ref's have such a strict policy when it comes to fights. Back in the day, the refs would basically let you fight until you were hospital material.

it ruins fighters chanches to incredible victories, but i saves lives.

Had LL-VK been back than we would have known the outcome instead we have a heavy discussion that will newer die.

Marciano was certainly more skilled than the reputation he gets. Muhammad Ali himself said that Marciano was quite difficult to hit with his jab (the two sparred when Ali was in his prime and Marciano was in his forties).

Rocky wins this one on toughness. Marciano threw hard punches at a constant rate throughout the fight. He wasn't that quick or accurate but he would aim at easy targets like your chest or arms and so he actually connected with a higher percent than you'd think. While most fighters would be wasting their times socking their opponents in the biceps, Marciano hit so hard and so often that it was an effective method of crippling and reducing an opponents defense. Just ask Roland LaStarza, who was hit with such force to his arms that he had to go to the hospital to get bone fragments removed and ruptured blood vessels repaired. When people in boxing say that a fighter has "bone crushing" power it is usually hyperbole. With Marciano, it was a matter of fact description.

Well i wouldnt say he was very skilled but he fought smart.

Yeah i also think the rock would win.

I think he`s the greatest ever.

It depends how you define the word skill, i understand where your coming from because he's no Floyd Mayweather, who's the normal definition of a modern day skillful fighter. Mayweathers also the modern day definition of an *******!! :D

It depends how you define the word skill, i understand where your coming from because he's no Floyd Mayweather, who's the normal definition of a modern day skillful fighter. Mayweathers also the modern day definition of an *******!! :D

How i define skill???

Hmmm that was actually a very good question.
im not sure.

Several fighters are skilled even if it doesnt show cause there styles are to ugly and/ore weird.

But and a man who is 49-0 has skills no doubt, but still he aint skilled compared to the likes of ali and louis.

But why didnt he ever fight Liston.

How i define skill???

Hmmm that was actually a very good question.
im not sure.

Several fighters are skilled even if it doesnt show cause there styles are to ugly and/ore weird.

But and a man who is 49-0 has skills no doubt, but still he aint skilled compared to the likes of ali and louis.

But why didnt he ever fight Liston.

Skill is supposedly someones special ability to perform an activity very well. The rock did exactly that but in boxing the word skill is normally used to desribe flashy fighters.

I'll call Marciano a methodical puncher instead of skilled so were both speaking the same language. :D

Maybe you should ask one of the older memebers why they didnt fight, i havent a clue.

Skill is supposedly someones special ability to perform an activity very well. The rock did exactly that but in boxing the word skill is normally used to desribe flashy fighters.

I'll call Marciano a methodical puncher instead of skilled so were both speaking the same language. :D

Maybe you should ask one of the older memebers why they didnt fight, i havent a clue.

Well in that case Marciano is the most skilled heavy ever :)

And foremann is high too.

Well in that case Marciano is the most skilled heavy ever :)

And foremann is high too.

Foreman was a monster, IMO the best heavyweight of his era. If i were him i'd still be seriously pissed about the Ali fight.

Foreman was a monster, IMO the best heavyweight of his era. If i were him i'd still be seriously pissed about the Ali fight.

You like foremann too?? :)

Foremann was the worst bear too ever step into a ring.
He was like 36-0 when he fought ali and all by ko.

Let me see if you like vk, foremann and marciano.
You got exellent taste.

You like foremann too?? :)

Foremann was the worst bear too ever step into a ring.
He was like 36-0 when he fought ali and all by ko.

Let me see if you like vk, foremann and marciano.
You got exellent taste.

Marciano was my clear favourite out of the 3, i really like to watch him fight.

I have a great deal of respect for Vitali and Foreman, there not the most "skillful" fighters but i wouldnt like to fight either, i'd be pissing blood for a week. :eek:

Marciano was my clear favourite out of the 3, i really like to watch him fight.

I have a great deal of respect for Vitali and Foreman, there not the most "skillful" fighters but i wouldnt like to fight either, i'd be pissing blood for a week. :eek:

i agree marciano fights were the best, no other heavy had enough gas to that much action.

No you wouldnt piss blood fore a week you would sleep for a weak ore die. :D

As underrated as Marciano is, Liston is even more underrated. Marciano is an irresistable force, but he has to come forward to be effective. The problem is he would be too easy to hit. Even though Rocky had that bobbing and weaving style, he still was quite hittable. Marciano was a very strong fighter, but that didn't make him a one punch knockout artist. His great stamina and heart made him special. Jersey Joe Walcott and Archie Moore(who were both well past their primes and were not big heavyweight punchers) put him on the canvas.
Liston was a much more skill fighter than Rocky. He had long arms and one of the best heavyweight jabs ever. He was on the slow side though, but that didn't stop him from being a great boxer. He was also a powerful puncher and was intimidating. He was ko'd in his second to last fight, and quit against Muhamed Ali in the first and (possibly) second fight, so his heart will always be questioned.

I think Marciano was very good, but he never fought any great fighters. He caught Walcott and Charles at the tail-end of their careers and Lastarza was not a great fighter. Liston defeated the better opposition like Eddie Machen, Cleveland Williams, Zora Foley, Nino Valdez, Floyd Patterson, etc.

Marcian would lose this fight because of his inability to change his style. Liston looked good when fighters came at him. Marciano's only way to win would be coming forward. The size difference would be too much for Marciano to handle. He would pay a heavy price trying to get inside a fighter that is bigger, stronger and more skilled than him. Liston wouldn't get frustrated and would just wait for Marciano to come and try to get inside. I see Rocky paying a heavy price and almost getting his head taken off.

I think Marciano would win because he is all around a better fighter, he posses more power than liston and more heart.

Liston was much more of boxer than most give him credit for, but against smaller guys, he usually came foreward and made it a brawl, taking his own boxing skills out of the fight. I see Liston tiring down the stretch and getting stopped by the rock, but thats just an opinion.

i agree, if liston wanted to brawl, marciano would have been more than happy to brawl. I think that would have suited him better.

marciano kayo 8, liston didnt have the heart to do battle with the brockton blockbuster, no matter what liston had marciano would keep coming at him, we all know liston quit in the biggest fights of his life, **** liston

I imagine the rock lets Liston exhaust himself by letting him hit him at will.

If they get close and brawl, liston wouldnt be able to keep upp with the rock pace very long.
He would have tired and get ko`ed.

But the question you all have frogotten.
WHY DIDNT THEY FIGHT????

Liston was no 184 lb Roland LaStarza.

The man was a cut above above anyone Mariciano ever fought (Walcott and Charles were great but both way past their best and both took Rocky to the wire).

At his peak he demonstrated he was tough and could take a big punch (his fights with Williams and DeJohn) and stay focused against a crafty opponent (against Machen and Folley).

He possesed an excellent jab, and extreamly fast reflexes for such a dense man. Defensively he had excellent head movement to avoid shots. Liston know how to work the body and kept up an acitivty rate that puts today´s HWs to shame.

Marciano is underrated by some. Phenomenal conditioning, very hard puncher, better then average boxing skills, and a heart as big as Texas . .

But the man never fought a puncher in Liston´s class, and the two men he fought who were boxing wise in his class gave him very tough fights when they were way past their peaks, and Charles was basically a light HW.

Marciano would find out that your heart can only take you so far against a destroyer like Sonny Liston.

Liston TKO 7.

i think they were fighters of similar ability, but in terms of heart and guts marciano was by far the better man. his era was'nt the strongest and rocky will forever suffer for that, but you can only beat the man in front of you and 49-0 dont lie.

Liston was no 184 lb Roland LaStarza.

The man was a cut above above anyone Mariciano ever fought (Walcott and Charles were great but both way past their best and both took Rocky to the wire).

At his peak he demonstrated he was tough and could take a big punch (his fights with Williams and DeJohn) and stay focused against a crafty opponent (against Machen and Folley).

He possesed an excellent jab, and extreamly fast reflexes for such a dense man. Defensively he had excellent head movement to avoid shots. Liston know how to work the body and kept up an acitivty rate that puts today´s HWs to shame.

Marciano is underrated by some. Phenomenal conditioning, very hard puncher, better then average boxing skills, and a heart as big as Texas . .

But the man never fought a puncher in Liston´s class, and the two men he fought who were boxing wise in his class gave him very tough fights when they were way past their peaks, and Charles was basically a light HW.

Marciano would find out that your heart can only take you so far against a destroyer like Sonny Liston.

Liston TKO 7.


Great post.

Your heart says Rocky, but if you got half a brain you go with Liston.

Your heart says Rocky, but if you got half a brain you go with Liston.

I have a full brain so i'm picking Marciano. :D

Liston was the bigger puncher and had the better skills. Marciano had the better chin and had more heart. It's a real pick 'em, but I gotta go with my instincts and say Liston. His jab is the key.

Liston was the better boxer and could hit at Marcianos level (if not harder). Marcianos had alot more heart though. It all boiles down to Marcianos chin. He never got to fight anyone with the power of Sonny Liston, so it´s hard to say if he could survive against the bigger man. If Marciano gets through the first few rounds, he wins by late ko or tko. If not, well.... Liston by early tko. My heart tells me Marciano gets the job done. But I wouldn´t put too much money on it..

marciano tko 11, liston quits on his stool after tasting the canvas twice in the tenth. liston floors marciano two times also, once in the first and again in the 4th

Marciano KO in 9.

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just bringing this back upp for new members to discuss

WHY DIDNT THEY FIGHT????

A simple timeline could answer your own question, my friend...In 1956 when Marciano retired, Liston was a realitive novice of just over a dozen pro fights & wasn't even considerd a top ten Heavyweight contender yet, and wouldn't be for a couple more years.

why is this even a thread? why would someone dare put marciano against the likes of liston? liston was a monster and had amazing boxing skills. he had a pile driver jab that was lightning fast. liston would dismantle the brockton bumb in one round, plain and simple. if the quick and elusive patterson couldn't make liston miss, what makes you think marciano could, plus patterson is bigger than marciano. marciano never fought someone as terrifying as liston and he would'nt know what to do with him. plus this is a horrible style match-up ala frazier-foreman, only much worse, cause marciano isn't half the boxer frazier is and liston, although he doesn't punch as hard as foreman, hits way faster, and so the fight would last about 2 minutes. marciano hits the canvas many times, and stays down the fourth time, and that is the end of the story.

I say Liston in an easy fight. I dont think there is a fighter in the history of boxing that matches up better with Marciano then Liston. Marciano would have had a better chance smothering Ali, wearing down Foreman, or chin checking a younger Louis or Lewis then he would have had making a young motivated Liston quit.