Who would win and why?

I say Dempsey murders Ali in this fight probably the one fight Ali would really get severly beaten in and quick, I see a 4 round KO happening to Ali here. Ali had speed but Dempsey was "the man killer" and for many reasons. The toughness of Dempsey would just break Ali when he realized after a few rounds nothing he was doing is working then he would get hit with a few shots and no more Ali. What do you all think?

I can definitely see Jack Dempsey giving Muhammad Ali a handful with his lightening punches and killer instinct. He would come charging at the bell, looking to demolish Ali from the get go. Ali never liked being crowded, and combined with Dempseys speed, power and ferociousness, I can envision Ali feeling more than a little uncomfortable.

Still, in his prime, there is little danger of Ali losing in my opinion. His was faster on his feet than Dempsey, and would even beat him to the punch. His reflexes, combined with his rock solid chin and superior stamina, makes this one a onesided affair after 5-6 rounds. Ali would batter a fading Dempsey, to win by decision or maybe even late stoppage.

Muhammad Ali by UD.

I can definitely see Jack Dempsey giving Muhammad Ali a handful with his lightening punches and killer instinct. He would come charging at the bell, looking to demolish Ali from the get go. Ali never liked being crowded, and combined with Dempseys speed, power and ferociousness, I can envision Ali feeling more than a little uncomfortable.

Still, in his prime, there is little danger of Ali losing in my opinion. His was faster on his feet than Dempsey, and would even beat him to the punch. His reflexes, combined with his rock solid chin and superior stamina, makes this one a onesided affair after 5-6 rounds. Ali would batter a fading Dempsey, to win by decision or maybe even late stoppage.

Muhammad Ali by UD.
Dempsey is too fierce for Ali, he would hit him while Ali was stationary against the ropes or even when they got in close. Dempsey has far more power than Frazier and Foreman due to his style especially in close and if Foreman and Frazier were able to get inside on Ali Dempsey will definately be able to he was faster than Frazier and Foreman and he had a iron chin regardless of what anyone says due to the fact they were fighting with gloves that weighed 5 oz and split throughout the fights where there was no padding almost barefist against your face, Dempsey fought guys twice his size and half his size it didnt matter and if he got hurt he was even more of a fierce warrior. He was a great finisher and had the never lose instinct. Ali isnt as tough as Dempsey in anyway all he has on him is ring smarts and speed which sooner or later he would have been caught and lights out Ali.

dempsey would be a problem for ali but i think ali would control himwith clinches and wear him down dempsey could win by KO but i think it is more likely - due to alis chin- that ali would win on points

dempsey is probably my favourate boxer but he never did THAT well against boxer stylists and ali is one of the best of those

I know Dempsey was past his best against Tunney, but Dempsey's street fighter style was very effective against fast technical boxers. SInce Ali is likely to be the fastest heavy ever and his skills are very well developed, I think Ali is just too technical for Dempsey and would win a UD or a late stoppage.
Dempsey would pursue Ali all night but would be able to do much else except follow and try to land a combo.

I know Dempsey was past his best against Tunney, but Dempsey's street fighter style was very effective against fast technical boxers. SInce Ali is likely to be the fastest heavy ever and his skills are very well developed, I think Ali is just too technical for Dempsey and would win a UD or a late stoppage.
Dempsey would pursue Ali all night but would be able to do much else except follow and try to land a combo.
Patterson is the fastest heavy of all time first of all, it's been said time and time again, second Ali's Chin could not handle the shots of Dempsey unhuman power especially in close, as a matter of fact I dont think anyone's chin could handle his power especailly if the punch was connected within a foot after being thrown because we all know Dempsey's power is considered the best out of any other heavy in history. He was relentless and Ali wouldnt be able to handle the first few rounds of bombs he would wear out himself trying to stay away after being hit so much and then like I said lights out. You dont have a boxer of today in Dempsey you have someone who made the sport and showed us what tough meant. He could handle a punch so dont count on him being knocked out and he could box when he needed to although he would lose if it was just boxer/boxer fighting against Ali thats a fact but not the normal Dempsey he would just be too much for Ali to handle. Just think of some of the giants he fought and handled, some of the 45 round exhibitions/fights he had with 5oz gloves with almost no padding in them or how about 3 fights a night on occassion. Dempsey was better than any other fighter out there and should be considered the number 1 fighter of all time with Louis behind him and Ali after that.

Who would win and why?

I say Dempsey murders Ali in this fight probably the one fight Ali would really get severly beaten in and quick, I see a 4 round KO happening to Ali here. Ali had speed but Dempsey was "the man killer" and for many reasons. The toughness of Dempsey would just break Ali when he realized after a few rounds nothing he was doing is working then he would get hit with a few shots and no more Ali. What do you all think?

this is a joke, right? dempsey does not punch harder then foreman or liston. ali would dance around him and dempsey would be picked apart and ko'd in 8 rounds or less. ali is too fast for him. dempsey is too small and ali's chin would not allow dempsey to hurt him.

Ali's chin would be no safeguard against Dempsey's power. Dempsey, like Joe Louis, was a more explosive and dangerous puncher than either Liston or Foreman. Foreman may have had a heavier punch, but he wasn't as sharp or accurate with his blows or as capable of taking a man out quickly as Dempsey was.

Pick 'em fight if Ali is in his prime. Otherwise, Dempsey destroys an older Ali.

this is a joke, right? dempsey does not punch harder then foreman or liston. ali would dance around him and dempsey would be picked apart and ko'd in 8 rounds or less. ali is too fast for him. dempsey is too small and ali's chin would not allow dempsey to hurt him.
once again over rating Ali's chin huh? have you ever read anything on Dempsey's power or not...I'm guessing not if you actually believe Ali's chin could withstand the unhuman like power Dempsey possesed. More so than even Marciano, Foreman and Frazier. Dempseys power was short stopping power not because of his weight not because of his muscle but something he was born with, he could hit you with a 6 inch punch and knock your head off where Foreman had to wind up put his weight and muscle behind the punch and hit you on numerous occassions to get the KO Foreman in no way had the power Dempsey had. Do me a favor go back do some research on Dempsey and come back and appologize for your foolishness in your previous statement.

once again over rating Ali's chin huh? have you ever read anything on Dempsey's power or not...I'm guessing not if you actually believe Ali's chin could withstand the unhuman like power Dempsey possesed. More so than even Marciano, Foreman and Frazier. Dempseys power was short stopping power not because of his weight not because of his muscle but something he was born with, he could hit you with a 6 inch punch and knock your head off where Foreman had to wind up put his weight and muscle behind the punch and hit you on numerous occassions to get the KO Foreman in no way had the power Dempsey had. Do me a favor go back do some research on Dempsey and come back and appologize for your foolishness in your previous statement.
ALSO on the power issue you said Foreman was more powerful and Liston more powerful, just look at how powerful Foremans punches were during the Frazier fight he knocked him down 5 times and yet Frazier kept getting back up for more. Now thats not because Frazier has a great chin or great heart it's because Foreman lacked finishing power, where Dempsey could end you with one shot no matter when during a fight.

ALSO on the power issue you said Foreman was more powerful and Liston more powerful, just look at how powerful Foremans punches were during the Frazier fight he knocked him down 5 times and yet Frazier kept getting back up for more. Now thats not because Frazier has a great chin or great heart it's because Foreman lacked finishing power, where Dempsey could end you with one shot no matter when during a fight.

How many times did Willard get up after Dempsey knocked him down?

once again over rating Ali's chin huh? have you ever read anything on Dempsey's power or not...I'm guessing not if you actually believe Ali's chin could withstand the unhuman like power Dempsey possesed. More so than even Marciano, Foreman and Frazier. Dempseys power was short stopping power not because of his weight not because of his muscle but something he was born with, he could hit you with a 6 inch punch and knock your head off where Foreman had to wind up put his weight and muscle behind the punch and hit you on numerous occassions to get the KO Foreman in no way had the power Dempsey had. Do me a favor go back do some research on Dempsey and come back and appologize for your foolishness in your previous statement.

please rocco, you can't tell me anything about dempsey. i do research into his career all the time. if you want to believe dempsey would beat him, then whatever. but for you to say that dempsey would destroy ali is insane, alright. nobody could "destroy ali". dempsey's punching power is a bit mythical, just like jeffries strength was. ali was able to take punches from huge punchers such as foreman, frazier, shavers, lyle, and liston. dempsey's power is not gonna overwhelm ali. he might suprise ali with a few left hooks, but other thn that ali would jab jack to death. dempsey also had an average chin, and someone like ali who could throw sharp, stinging punches and rock people like foreman, liston, and even chuvalo a little, he would have little trouble in doing the same to dempsey. ali is physically stronger than dempsey and would manhandle him in the clinches. dempsey would literally be dazzled by this new breed of athlete. this is a bit of a mismatch in ali's favor, sorry.

How many times did Willard get up after Dempsey knocked him down?

exactly. :D

Willard was bigger, stronger, and more durable to the head and body than Ali. If Dempsey were to hit Ali with as many punches as he nailed Willard with, Ali would be a dead man. Ali only wins in his prime because of his incredible reflexes and swift movements. If he stays on the ropes, Dempsey guts him with those bodyshots.

Willard was bigger, stronger, and more durable to the head and body than Ali. If Dempsey were to hit Ali with as many punches as he nailed Willard with, Ali would be a dead man. Ali only wins in his prime because of his incredible reflexes and swift movements. If he stays on the ropes, Dempsey guts him with those bodyshots.

Willard was slow, lumbering and a human punching bag. Gloves were lighter and there was no neutral corner rule - and yet Dempsey still couldn't finish Willard off.
There is no way Dempsey would land that on Ali, mostly because a prime Ali wouldn't be standing in the centre of the ring.

Willard was bigger, stronger, and more durable to the head and body than Ali. If Dempsey were to hit Ali with as many punches as he nailed Willard with, Ali would be a dead man. Ali only wins in his prime because of his incredible reflexes and swift movements. If he stays on the ropes, Dempsey guts him with those bodyshots.

watch, ali-frazier I. ali was getting hit with bombs all night and ali didn't budge, and frazier hits harder than dempsey.

No, he didn't.

watch, ali-frazier I. ali was getting hit with bombs all night and ali didn't budge, and frazier hits harder than dempsey.
He absolutely did not hit as hard as Dempsey like I said why dont you go read some shit on Dempsey come back when your done I'll be waiting for your appology for being a moron.

He absolutely did not hit as hard as Dempsey like I said why dont you go read some shit on Dempsey come back when your done I'll be waiting for your appology for being a moron.

i read enough about dempsey to make my own decisions. i like him as a fighter, but there's no way e could beat ali. too small, not fast enough, and he's very flawed and that enabled gene tunney to pick him apart. tuneey beat him, so could ali.

Did they ever fight? No, so calm down. You can't convince anyone Dempsey would destroy Ali or the other way, because they never fought. Just speculate. Dont piss eachother off.

Listen we can sit here and argue about this shit all we want its frivolous.
The fact is we don't know. Who thought Foreman was going to lose to Ali back then. Hardly anyone. Frazier beat Ali, Foreman beat Frazier, so Ali should lose to Foreman, but he didn't he won. So the fact is you can compare fights it doesn't matter.

And as far as the question of how many times did willard get up against dempsey well how many times did Frazier get up against Foreman. Foreman is most likely the hardest hitting hw of all time yet Frazier kept getting up. fighters getting up doesn't take away from the other figters strength it just shows heart.

as far as this fight goes
I'd say Dempsey by KO7 (because Dempsey never went into late rounds)
or
Ali by TKO10 or MD

once again over rating Ali's chin huh? have you ever read anything on Dempsey's power or not...I'm guessing not if you actually believe Ali's chin could withstand the unhuman like power Dempsey possesed. More so than even Marciano, Foreman and Frazier. Dempseys power was short stopping power not because of his weight not because of his muscle but something he was born with, he could hit you with a 6 inch punch and knock your head off where Foreman had to wind up put his weight and muscle behind the punch and hit you on numerous occassions to get the KO Foreman in no way had the power Dempsey had. Do me a favor go back do some research on Dempsey and come back and appologize for your foolishness in your previous statement.

You are exagerrating big time on this and i assume you just read the recent boxing scene dempsey article and blindly believed everything. Dempsey was powerful but he did not have the physical stature and strength of someone like Foreman to really trouble Ali. Frazier would always bother Ali more then Dempsey or Marciano, Frazier applied more pressure then either men and smothered Ali throughout the fight. Frazier in my opinion is the best inside fighter ever and worked Ali over inside better then Dempsey or Marciano ever would. Unlike Dempsey Frazier did not fade in the later rounds. Dempsey comes out trying to take Ali's head off, because of Ali's durability hes withstands the initial attack. Ali moves laterally whilst working over dempsey as he tries to get on the inside and begins to take the lead as Dempsey fades... Ali takes a UD in a tough fight.

Dempsey is too fierce for Ali, he would hit him while Ali was stationary against the ropes or even when they got in close. Dempsey has far more power than Frazier and Foreman due to his style especially in close and if Foreman and Frazier were able to get inside on Ali Dempsey will definately be able to he was faster than Frazier and Foreman and he had a iron chin regardless of what anyone says due to the fact they were fighting with gloves that weighed 5 oz and split throughout the fights where there was no padding almost barefist against your face, Dempsey fought guys twice his size and half his size it didnt matter and if he got hurt he was even more of a fierce warrior. He was a great finisher and had the never lose instinct. Ali isnt as tough as Dempsey in anyway all he has on him is ring smarts and speed which sooner or later he would have been caught and lights out Ali.

Ali isn't as tough? Ali is about as tough as it gets, this is what saved his arse in the latter part of his career... hes on par with anyone in that regard. Not many other boxers would have the balls to sit on the ropes and let Foreman use them as a heavybag for 8 rounds, 3 fights with Frazier, Shavers, Lyle... Ali was tough and as a result can barely talk these days. As soon as Ali got caught by Dempsey he would be knocked out? A quick review of Ali's career renders this assumption bullshit. Ali in 67 or Ali in 71 takes this fight.

You are exagerrating big time on this and i assume you just read the recent boxing scene dempsey article and blindly believed everything. Dempsey was powerful but he did not have the physical stature and strength of someone like Foreman to really trouble Ali. Frazier would always bother Ali more then Dempsey or Marciano, Frazier applied more pressure then either men and smothered Ali throughout the fight. Frazier in my opinion is the best inside fighter ever and worked Ali over inside better then Dempsey or Marciano ever would. Unlike Dempsey Frazier did not fade in the later rounds. Dempsey comes out trying to take Ali's head off, because of Ali's durability hes withstands the initial attack. Ali moves laterally whilst working over dempsey as he tries to get on the inside and begins to take the lead as Dempsey fades... Ali takes a UD in a tough fight.

exactly. dempsey, like tyson and foreman was at his best when the fight started, but in the later rounds he declined.

Willard was bigger, stronger, and more durable to the head and body than Ali. If Dempsey were to hit Ali with as many punches as he nailed Willard with, Ali would be a dead man. Ali only wins in his prime because of his incredible reflexes and swift movements. If he stays on the ropes, Dempsey guts him with those bodyshots.

More durable to the body? Disagree completely sorry, Ali probably had the most durable body in boxing history.

More durable to the body? Disagree completely sorry, Ali probably had the most durable body in boxing history.

yeah, lol. this guy is delusional. willard's body couldn't have been that strong if dempsey broke three of his ribs in such short amount of time. did ali ever get his ribs broken? nope. even when foreman hit him on the ropes it didn't happen.

Willard was bigger, stronger, and more durable to the head and body than Ali. If Dempsey were to hit Ali with as many punches as he nailed Willard with, Ali would be a dead man. Ali only wins in his prime because of his incredible reflexes and swift movements. If he stays on the ropes, Dempsey guts him with those bodyshots.Here's Jess in his fighting prime. Now, I know I'm going to regret asking this but please justify, support and elaborate your above statement...

http://www.boxrec.com/media/images/e/ef/Willard.Jess.jpg

Ali would outwork Dempsey to a UD IMO...

Ali would outwork Dempsey to a UD IMO...

more than likely or a late stoppage.

sometimes its not how much force it takes to break a bone but at what angle. For instance certain bones have certain breaking points. Like it would take alot more pressure to break your femur (large leg bone that connects to hip) then your arm. But any bone in the body can be broken with 2lbs of pressure at the right angle. whereas Foreman didn't break Ali's ribs and Willard did get his ribs broken by Dempsey it just means that Dempsey got a cleaner hit at the right angle

yeah, lol. this guy is delusional. willard's body couldn't have been that strong if dempsey broke three of his ribs in such short amount of time. did ali ever get his ribs broken? nope. even when foreman hit him on the ropes it didn't happen.

Willard was durable, no doubt about it and this is shown by his ability to withstand a brutal beating for 3 rounds. Recently been reading quite a bit about of him and he wasn't the lumbering, unskilled giant we are lead to believe. You must remember Ali was never hit with the same kind of glove they used in the dempsey era.

Willard was durable, no doubt about it and this is shown by his ability to withstand a brutal beating for 3 rounds. Recently been reading quite a bit about of him and he wasn't the lumbering, unskilled giant we are lead to believe. You must remember Ali was never hit with the same kind of glove they used in the dempsey era.
you must take that into consideration as well

Willard was durable, no doubt about it and this is shown by his ability to withstand a brutal beating for 3 rounds. Recently been reading quite a bit about of him and he wasn't the lumbering, unskilled giant we are lead to believe. You must remember Ali was never hit with the same kind of glove they used in the dempsey era.
Well I've seen him fight plenty, and he looks piss poor to me. Other than taking 26 rounds to pace himself in the direct sunlight of Havan Cuba and outlast an old fat Jack Johnson who had been partying it up all of Europe who exactly did Willard actually defeat of any magnitude?

Had the Willard-Johnson fight been a 15, 12 or like Dempsey's title fights with Tunney 10 rounds! Johnson would have won a decision by a comfortable margin and Willard would never have been a champion.

Willard ranks where he belongs. The lower rungs of the ladder as far as heavyweight champions go.

I would give it to Ali in a very tough fight. :boxing:

You must remember Ali was never hit with the same kind of glove they used in the dempsey era.

I have said that right from the start, and thats what make Dempsey far tougher than Ali. Ali in my mind wouldnt have been able to withstand that type of punishment from Dempsey especailly if it took place with the gloves of the past.

Also you spoke of why didnt Ali's ribs get broken well you show me 1 clean shot onto Ali's body by Foreman and that will explain it, point is you never did see a clean shot Ali was covered the whole time with his elbows and arms by his ribs covering all the shots Foreman threw. He got a few shots around the back of the arms toward the kidney section but never once in the whole Rumble in the Jungle did he get a clean shot from Foreman to the body.

Furthermore size and frame doesnt matter, what Dempsey lacked in height and weight he made up with his power and toughness. He also had good speed for a HW although not as fast as Ali he still could have caught him more than a few times and Ali would be lucky to be standing once caught by Dempsey especially if it took place back in the early 1900's. Ali due to the times and new training styles and revamped sport of boxing made us believe he was the best but I dont see it, I see someone from the past as more dedicated and far more tough because of the conditions they had to fight in. If Ali fought back in the day of Dempsey he wouldnt be the Ali he was of the 60's and 70's. If Dempsey fought in the Ali Era he would have had better training, better equipment, better fighting ability so I still see Dempsey winning by KO.

If Dempsey fought in the Ali Era he would have had better training, better equipment, better fighting ability so I still see Dempsey winning by KO.

I don't think Dempsey would be very tough in the 70's - from the resons you mentioned earlier. Dempseys time was tough, Dempsey was a fighter not a boxer. In Ali's time Dempsey would have led and easier life and would be more civilised and less wild than Dempsey of old.

Dempsey was tough though. When he was in his 70's he got attacked by two young muggers, Dempseys gave them some hard body shots and both guys went down. Niether of them would get up until the police came to arrest them as they were too scared of Dempsey!

If Ali fought back in the day of Dempsey he wouldnt be the Ali he was of the 60's and 70's.

And yes, Ali wouldn't be as successful in Dempsey's day, just as Dempsey wouldn't be as successful in Ali's day.

If Ali fought back in the day of Dempsey he wouldnt be the Ali he was of the 60's and 70's.
You're right he would be better. Dempsey's title fights against Tunney were only 10 rounders! Good luck Jack, and bring a good cut man because with 5 oz gloves your face is going to look like you came 2nd place in a hammer fight.

Good luck Ali, because if a 183 pound journeyman level Cooper can nearly take you out with one left hook to the chin while wearing 8 oz gloves, Dempsey would put you away in a bodybag with those 5 oz'ers.

Good luck Ali, because if a 183 pound journeyman level Cooper can nearly take you out with one left hook to the chin while wearing 8 oz gloves, Dempsey would put you away in a bodybag with those 5 oz'ers.
And if Fireman Jim Flynn can 10 count Dempsey with one punch and KO Jack in one round Dempsey doesn't make it past the national anthem.

And if Fireman Jim Flynn can 10 count Dempsey with one punch and KO Jack in one round Dempsey doesn't make it past the national anthem.

dempsey took a dive against flynn.

Also you spoke of why didnt Ali's ribs get broken I have said that right from the start, and thats what make Dempsey far tougher than Ali. Ali inwell you show me 1 clean shot onto Ali's body by Foreman and that will explain it, point is you never did see a clean shot Ali was covered the whole time with his elbows and arms by his ribs covering all the shots Foreman threw.

are you serious? don't you mean foreman didn't get a clean head shot, cause foreman was hitting ali with crisp, clean solid body shots the whole fight, fool. foreman was vicious to the body and ali just covered up to avoid punches to the jaw.

You're right he would be better. Dempsey's title fights against Tunney were only 10 rounders! Good luck Jack, and bring a good cut man because with 5 oz gloves your face is going to look like you came 2nd place in a hammer fight.
Ali would not have had all the training and equipment to use like he did in the more modern era of boxing. He would be another Jack Johnson, looked down upon and exiled in a since from fighting in his own country because he was african american speaking out doing his own thing. You never saw fighters with phenomenal speed and skills like the 50's 60's and 70's and to present day because of the training routines and modern equipment. You would have had to have a really tough fighter but I dont picture Ali being that type of fighter, he was good with the gloves and that style fighting but he isnt a fighter and most of the fights back in the older days of boxing close quarters more clinching and faster paced and so on. Less rounds yeah but how many oz. were the gloves? How many rounds did they often go? Sometimes 45 rounds sometimes 30 so on, Just because a championship fight went 10 rounds doesnt mean they dont have stamina to last more than that.
Put Dempsey in Ali's Era you'd probably just have a tough bastard with more skill, he would most likely be another Wepner/Quarry not the greatest in skill but tough as nails and more heart than you can ask from any fighter accept he has more power and a bit more speed. Ali was the greatest in his era and Dempsey was in his. Put each one in the others era they would win. Just because the sport of boxing had changed so much within those years from gloves to training to equipment. You could also take into consideration nutrition and body styles from then till now how it evolved.

Ali would not have had all the training and equipment to use like he did in the more modern era of boxing. He would be another Jack Johnson, looked down upon and exiled in a since from fighting in his own country because he was african american speaking out doing his own thing. You never saw fighters with phenomenal speed and skills like the 50's 60's and 70's and to present day because of the training routines and modern equipment. You would have had to have a really tough fighter but I dont picture Ali being that type of fighter, he was good with the gloves and that style fighting but he isnt a fighter and most of the fights back in the older days of boxing close quarters more clinching and faster paced and so on. Less rounds yeah but how many oz. were the gloves? How many rounds did they often go? Sometimes 45 rounds sometimes 30 so on, Just because a championship fight went 10 rounds doesnt mean they dont have stamina to last more than that.
Put Dempsey in Ali's Era you'd probably just have a tough bastard with more skill, he would most likely be another Wepner/Quarry not the greatest in skill but tough as nails and more heart than you can ask from any fighter accept he has more power and a bit more speed. Ali was the greatest in his era and Dempsey was in his. Put each one in the others era they would win. Just because the sport of boxing had changed so much within those years from gloves to training to equipment. You could also take into consideration nutrition and body styles from then till now how it evolved.

ali's training facilities weren't that modern. he never lifted weights a day in his life. all he did was calisthenics and he gained close to 30lb. of muscle in 3 years. they had heavy bags in dempsey's day, they had speed bags in dempsey's day, they did spar in dempsey's day, boxers did d roadwork in dempsey's day, so what else do you want dempsey to have? :rolleyes: i don't think ali had equipment that dempsey didn't have.

are you serious? don't you mean foreman didn't get a clean head shot, cause foreman was hitting ali with crisp, clean solid body shots the whole fight, fool. foreman was vicious to the body and ali just covered up to avoid punches to the jaw.
They were not clean body shots a clean body shot was B-Hop to DHL. Ali had the ropes as leverage and his elbows to protect, Foreman was so slow Ali was able to position himself to best decrease the impact of the shots, thats why you saw him boucing off and leaning on the ropes and turning his body into them with his arms at his side. If he got hit with that many solid shots from Foreman he would have been KO'd nobody and I mean nobody I dont care how big, small, muscular you are if he have ever taken a solid body shot to the stomach your all done. .

And let me say this again he never landed a fully clean body shot. If he landed a shot it wasnt clean enough.

They were not clean body shots a clean body shot was B-Hop to DHL. Ali had the ropes as leverage and his elbows to protect, Foreman was so slow Ali was able to position himself to best decrease the impact of the shots, thats why you saw him boucing off and leaning on the ropes and turning his body into them with his arms at his side. If he got hit with that many solid shots from Foreman he would have been KO'd nobody and I mean nobody I dont care how big, small, muscular you are if he have ever taken a solid body shot to the stomach your all done. .

And let me say this again he never landed a fully clean body shot. If he landed a shot it wasnt clean enough.

why don't you watch he fight again, foreman was hitting ali with hard shots. it was only after the fourth round that foreman was slow and tired and the shots weren't that clean. ali was getting punished against the ropes.

ali's training facilities weren't that modern. he never lifted weights a day in his life. all he did was calisthenics and he gained close to 30lb. of muscle in 3 years. they had heavy bags in dempsey's day, they had speed bags in dempsey's day, they did spar in dempsey's day, boxers did d roadwork in dempsey's day, so what else do you want dempsey to have? :rolleyes: i don't think ali had equipment that dempsey didn't have.You are right butterfly. Ali's training regimen was old school. At Deer Lake Ali usually got up at 5:00 AM and did roadwork usually building to 6 miles at a time.

Ali then would rest before having breakfast at 9:00 AM.

Ali would then nap from 11:00 AM until 1:30 PM.

Ali would enter the gym at 2:00 PM where he began with 3 rounds of the heavybag. Ali used 3 minute rounds in his training.

Ali would next use the speedbag for 3 rounds.

Ali would next jump rope for 4-5 rounds.

Ali would then spar last when he was already starting to get tired and his sparring partners were fresh.

Shower and massage and dinner at 5:00 PM.

In bed by 10:00 or 11:00 PM.

Ali also chopped wood, used the medicine ball, did sit-ups, and on occasion used the double ended bag.

No modern equipment, no modern supplements, not even focus mitts. Ali trained like his predecessors.

Ali's training regimen was pretty basic.

Good luck Ali, because if a 183 pound journeyman level Cooper can nearly take you out with one left hook to the chin while wearing 8 oz gloves, Dempsey would put you away in a bodybag with those 5 oz'ers.

I think the Cooper fight is a poor example of Ali's durability. I don't think there is one fighter that could of put away a matured Ali with one punch. Oh and to a previous poster. Foreman did hit Ali with clean body shots and admits it 'i hit him with the hardest body shot i ever landed on anybody'.

why don't you watch he fight again, foreman was hitting ali with hard shots. it was only after the fourth round that foreman was slow and tired and the shots weren't that clean. ali was getting punished against the ropes.

thats not true at all i recall only seeing one clean headshot by foreman and even that was a glancing blow and most of the body blows connected with alis elbows often his wrist hit alis elbow as the fist hit his ribs

IMO the greatest display of alis durability was against shavers he was hit with some massive right hands and didn't even go down

thats not true at all i recall only seeing one clean headshot by foreman and even that was a glancing blow and most of the body blows connected with alis elbows often his wrist hit alis elbow as the fist hit his ribs

IMO the greatest display of alis durability was against shavers he was hit with some massive right hands and didn't even go down
You are right.

I think I counted something like 6 clean head power shots and none were as clean and as hard as Frazier or Norton were caught with. Ali also blocked alot of body shots with his elbows but Foreman did land some brutal shots to Ali's sides.

Ali's defensive abilty is too often criticized in these threads (he didn't block, he didn't parry etc...) Well, he spent alot of those 8 rounds on the ropes and while stationary made Foreman miss alot and blocked, muffled and diverted alot of Foreman's punches. I don't know of too many other fighters could have done that.

Ali ties him up wen he get close, and jabs his head off whilst moving around the ring like nothing Dempsy has ever seen before.