I say Louis he has more power, he has a good chin and he has heart over Ali's Speed, chin and Heart? I dont think it would be a KO but after 15 rounds I see a victory on Louis's end. What you all think?

I'd have to say Louis by KO or SD
or
Ali by TKO SD

I don't see Ali KO'ing Louis and at the same time i don't see Louis getting a TKO

Ali was very flashy and good with points but Louis was a good counter-puncher and was basically a good puncher overall. Louis also had a better defense then Ali. so in a round where niether go down, it could go either way. Personally i would lean toward louis winning a close round but others would pick Ali thats why I say SD.

I can't see Ali knocking louis down and if he did it would be late in the fight and Louis getting up. On the other hand i can see all of louis' accurate punching getting to Ali.

Louis by KO10 or by SD

Ali by TKO or SD

I say Louis he has more power, he has a good chin and he has heart over Ali's Speed, chin and Heart? I dont think it would be a KO but after 15 rounds I see a victory on Louis's end. What you all think?

the only way louis would win is if he knocks ali out. any time louis fought a stick-and-mover, they made him look like a fool, and the only thing that saved louis from defeat was a knockout. but i don't believe louis has enough punching power to ko ali, since ali took big punches from foreman, shavers, lyle, and liston. they couldn't knock him out. louis wouldn't be able to do it either.

Ali by UD or a late TKO.

Ali by UD or a late TKO.

I agree. :cool:

I agree.

Very much appreciated chum!

the only way louis would win is if he knocks ali out. any time louis fought a stick-and-mover, they made him look like a fool, and the only thing that saved louis from defeat was a knockout. but i don't believe louis has enough punching power to ko ali, since ali took big punches from foreman, shavers, lyle, and liston. they couldn't knock him out. louis wouldn't be able to do it either.

so i would say ali tko9, ko12, or ud15.

ali would probably win but louis would give him a damn good fight it would almost certainly be a Decision

Louis has power but ali has what might be the best jaw in the business

Louis had the power to KO anyone. Max Baer had at least as good of a chin as Ali and he was KO'ed. (well okay, he actually stayed down, but it wouldn't have last muched longer) Joe Louis could knock out anyone he could hit. I'm not saying he beats Ali but there's no way Ali could take those punches for very long if he got caught against the ropes. Louis was a much more efficient puncher and all around better knockout artist than Foreman or Frazier. Joe Louis scored more one punch knockouts over quality fighters than anyone Ali faced. He would be a more dangerous puncher than anyone Ali faced, Foreman and Shavers included.

I like Louis in this one myself but thats mainly because thats what my grampa always told me growing up.

ali would probably win but louis would give him a damn good fight it would almost certainly be a Decision

Louis has power but ali has what might be the best jaw in the business
FOREMAN OR HOLMES HAVE THE BEST JAB IN THE BUSINESS CANT DENY THAT, ALI WAS UP THERE BUT DIDNT HAVE THE BEST.

FOREMAN OR HOLMES HAVE THE BEST JAB IN THE BUSINESS CANT DENY THAT, ALI WAS UP THERE BUT DIDNT HAVE THE BEST.
WAIT WAIT I FORGOT ABOUT LISTON HE HAD A GREAT JAB EVEN BETTER THAN ALI'S AND FOREMANS.

I like Louis in this one myself but thats mainly because thats what my grampa always told me growing up.
YOUR GRANDFATHER WAS A SMART MAN, OBVIOUSLY KNEW HIS BOXING, UNLIKE MOST OF THE YOUNGER PEOPLE ON THIS FORUM, WHO JUST GO BY WHAT THEY HEAR RATHER THAN WHAT THEY KNOW OR HAVE SEEN.

Louis had the power to KO anyone. Max Baer had at least as good of a chin as Ali and he was KO'ed. (well okay, he actually stayed down, but it wouldn't have last muched longer) Joe Louis could knock out anyone he could hit. I'm not saying he beats Ali but there's no way Ali could take those punches for very long if he got caught against the ropes. Louis was a much more efficient puncher and all around better knockout artist than Foreman or Frazier. Joe Louis scored more one punch knockouts over quality fighters than anyone Ali faced. He would be a more dangerous puncher than anyone Ali faced, Foreman and Shavers included.

please tell me you're joking.

please tell me you're joking.
no he said it because he felt like lying you moron. see what I mean you are what we call a closed minded individual you dont listen to anything anyone says about anything you believe only what you want to believe and what other posters that feel the same way you believe. You are one of the worst posters as far as boxing knowledge goes in this whole forum so open your mind expand your horizons and you will learn something.

Baer had never even been dropped before Louis, his chin was pure granite. Not even when he was younger and hadn't yet physically matured, as you like to use for an argument against two of Ali's knockdowns, was he dropped. Baer was never floored and put into serious trouble by a guy like Sonny Banks.

Even against Louis, as brutal a puncher as anyone Ali fought, he never had trouble beating the count. Baer had the good humor to wave to the audience before the final round of the right and the presence of mind to get counted out on his knee.

I am extremely confident that Baer, who had a larger frame than Ali to begin with, had at least as durable a chin. I'm not arguing that it was much better, just that it was at least within the same realm as Ali's and that if Louis could hurt and finish Baer with his power, it'd be enough finish Ali as well IF he could catch him.

What you are suggesting is that Ali could afford to get hit by Louis, which is the real joke.

no he said it because he felt like lying you moron. see what I mean you are what we call a closed minded individual you dont listen to anything anyone says about anything you believe only what you want to believe and what other posters that feel the same way you believe. You are one of the worst posters as far as boxing knowledge goes in this whole forum so open your mind expand your horizons and you will learn something.

whoaaaaa, there. don't blow a fuse. :D

Baer had never even been dropped before Louis, his chin was pure granite. Not even when he was younger and hadn't yet physically matured, as you like to use for an argument against two of Ali's knockdowns, was he dropped. Baer was never floored and put into serious trouble by a guy like Sonny Banks.

Even against Louis, as brutal a puncher as anyone Ali fought, he never had trouble beating the count. Baer had the good humor to wave to the audience before the final round of the right and the presence of mind to get counted out on his knee.

I am extremely confident that Baer, who had a larger frame than Ali to begin with, had at least as durable a chin. I'm not arguing that it was much better, just that it was at least within the same realm as Ali's and that if Louis could hurt and finish Baer with his power, it'd be enough finish Ali as well IF he could catch him.

What you are suggesting is that Ali could afford to get hit by Louis, which is the real joke.

well, i understand what you're saying, but i'm not talking about whole careers. i'm talking about in their primes. when ali filled out, i doubt someone like sonny banks could put him on the canvas. IMO someone like shavers could do more damage with their punches than louis. so IMO louis would have to hit ali alot of times for ali to get knocked out, and ali would not allow that to happen. by your logic, even billy conn had a better chin than ali, cause louis had to hit him alot of times in order to knock out.

Ali. Too fast, his jab and movement would give Louis real trouble.

BUT

Louis was so patient and dangerous, i believe if he caught Ali clean, he would finish him off quickly.

So, Louis by late KO, or Ali by UD.

Shavers was a huge puncher, but Louis was a technically brilliant KO boxer.
Louis was much faster than alot of people give him credit for.
And as for who had the better chin out of Louis and Ali, its close. Id say Ali had a better defence at his best, because he was near impossible to hit.

Ali. Too fast, his jab and movement would give Louis real trouble.

BUT

Louis was so patient and dangerous, i believe if he caught Ali clean, he would finish him off quickly.

So, Louis by late KO, or Ali by UD.

Shavers was a huge puncher, but Louis was a technically brilliant KO boxer.
Louis was much faster than alot of people give him credit for.
And as for who had the better chin out of Louis and Ali, its close. Id say Ali had a better defence at his best, because he was near impossible to hit.

no it's not. ali wouldn't get floored with one punch by cinderella man, lol!

if lewis took the marciano approach then who knows but i think lewis would win maybe not ko but hed win

In a trilogy id favour Ali, ever so slightly. Joe's a patient counterpuncher and i don't think his style matches up against Ali's too well. Ali was a mobile boxer, often luring his opponents in and then punishing them. Louis was excellent at cutting off the ring, however he struggled against boxers that were fast on their feet... Ali would probably compound the problems he run into against Conn and Walcott. Ali was bothered most when being pressured and smothered by another fighter, and Joe Louis didn't apply the same kind of consistent pressure that Frazier or even Norton did... he was a patient technical fighter and as a result he would give Ali room to breathe and the oppurtunity to control the pace of the fight. In a trilogy i would sway towards Ali, however he would leave the ring bruised and battered after fighting a man that punishes him for his mistakes like no other he ever fought.

well, i understand what you're saying, but i'm not talking about whole careers. i'm talking about in their primes. when ali filled out, i doubt someone like sonny banks could put him on the canvas. IMO someone like shavers could do more damage with their punches than louis. so IMO louis would have to hit ali alot of times for ali to get knocked out, and ali would not allow that to happen. by your logic, even billy conn had a better chin than ali, cause louis had to hit him alot of times in order to knock out.

Earnie shavers couldn't put together a debilitating combination like Louis could.

Ali. Too fast, his jab and movement would give Louis real trouble.

BUT

Louis was so patient and dangerous, i believe if he caught Ali clean, he would finish him off quickly.

So, Louis by late KO, or Ali by UD.

Shavers was a huge puncher, but Louis was a technically brilliant KO boxer.
Louis was much faster than alot of people give him credit for.
And as for who had the better chin out of Louis and Ali, its close. Id say Ali had a better defence at his best, because he was near impossible to hit.

Joe Louis definately had the better defense, although he had a tendancy to drop that left hand... and Ali definately had the better chin.

Pre-layoff Ali beats Louis cause Louis has trouble against boxer/mover types, as was evidenced in his fight with Conn. Some argue that Louis would be able to find Ali easier cause he was a bigger target than Conn, but Ali was also a better fighter than Conn and took a better punch than Conn. Ali UD 15
Louis beats a post-layoff Ali though. Ali is going have problems when he inevitably has to come down off his toes and rest. Louis will herd Ali to the ropes and hurt him with quick, accurate combinations first to the body, and later to the head. Louis UD 15, or late TKO.

Pre-layoff Ali beats Louis cause Louis has trouble against boxer/mover types, as was evidenced in his fight with Conn. Some argue that Louis would be able to find Ali easier cause he was a bigger target than Conn, but Ali was also a better fighter than Conn and took a better punch than Conn. Ali UD 15
Louis beats a post-layoff Ali though. Ali is going have problems when he inevitably has to come down off his toes and rest. Louis will herd Ali to the ropes and hurt him with quick, accurate combinations first to the body, and later to the head. Louis UD 15, or late TKO.

nice post. :)

no it's not. ali wouldn't get floored with one punch by cinderella man, lol!

Wat about Cooper?

I know Ali was young, but is that really an excuse? He was ****ed up with just one punch.

Theres no exscuse for Ali being cocky and walking into a that left hook, but there is reason for the way his body reacted... the man still looked like a teenager. Thats a young, naieve cassius clay.. not the same man Louis would be fighting. That left hook was a very good punch and people forget this, it was short, sharp and powerful... Ali has been quoted saying its one of the best punches he was ever hit with.

Give this a read if you want a lengthy but in-depth analysis of Ali-Louis

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&opt=printable&id=2946

Give this a read if you want a lengthy but in-depth analysis of Ali-Louis

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&opt=printable&id=2946

i read that already. a very good article.

Joe Louis would win in a close fight. He has the better defence and he's not even in danger of getting knocked out by Ali, he doesn't have enough power to KO Louis. Louis on the other hand, could be able to catch him and finish him off quickly because he may have been the best finisher the sport has ever seen. Louis didn't have footspeed like Tyson, but he wasn't slow, it suited his style. I'll always favor Louis in this fight.

Ali by decision

Pre-layoff Ali beats Louis cause Louis has trouble against boxer/mover types, as was evidenced in his fight with Conn. Some argue that Louis would be able to find Ali easier cause he was a bigger target than Conn, but Ali was also a better fighter than Conn and took a better punch than Conn. Ali UD 15
Louis beats a post-layoff Ali though. Ali is going have problems when he inevitably has to come down off his toes and rest. Louis will herd Ali to the ropes and hurt him with quick, accurate combinations first to the body, and later to the head. Louis UD 15, or late TKO.

exactly how i feel, prime ali>prime louis>70s ali
after the layoff ali stood flatfooted moreso than b4, and with that i say louis would find a way to get to him, but besides all that joes right>alis right no matter how u slice it!!

YOUR GRANDFATHER WAS A SMART MAN, OBVIOUSLY KNEW HIS BOXING, UNLIKE MOST OF THE YOUNGER PEOPLE ON THIS FORUM, WHO JUST GO BY WHAT THEY HEAR RATHER THAN WHAT THEY KNOW OR HAVE SEEN.

that pisses me off. start a thread asking for opinions and then when they vary from yours discredit them because they were stupid enough to be born later than you?

i agree with jenks88 for the record. but shit im only 18.. ill report back when ive got enough greys to warrant a point of view.

Ali was just too fast for the slowfooted louis. in his prime, ali would never be catched by louis, and it would be a onesided affair with ali kicking his ass to win by decision.

Louis was a technical fighter, Ali was a stick and move fighter, both men could possibly get knockdown, but would get up, it could go either way, but I see Ali winning either by UD or SD, maybe even a late TKO.