they fight. Bet on it.

Sturm leaves his body wide open. He'd be rolling around on the canvas in tears too

Sturm leaves his body wide open. He'd be rolling around on the canvas in tears too
From a slap?
Not unless he was paid.
Which I doubt he will be.

Sturm hasn't done anything that would tell me he's going to beat Hopkins. He would get broken down to the body and then Hopkins will work upstairs. His defense is like Wrights but he doesn't have it perfected like Winky does. He won't look nearly as good against Hopkins like he looked against Oscar.

Sturm looked better overall against DLH although the result was less impressive, he actually doled out a more severe beating to Oscar than Hopkins did. I think Oscar got psyched out and gladly took the first available noble exit that Hopkins furnished him with. Sturm's phenomenal jab will befuddle Hopkins. Bernard will grow old trying to deal with it & will end up taking a split decision loss. Smart money takes the long odds.

From a slap?
Not unless he was paid.
Which I doubt he will be.

Yes, from a "slap". :rolleyes:

How bout you let someone like Hopkins "slap" you in the liver and see how you feel

Yes, from a "slap". :rolleyes:

How bout you let someone like Hopkins "slap" you in the liver and see how you feel
DLH is a professional boxer, I am not.
That slap shouldn't take out a professional boxer.

I think Oscar did some acting...I think he panicked about having his film/television career ended prematurely. His corner knew he was in dire mental straits; listen to their instructions go from technical advice to kissy hug hug ego propping.

Sturm is too robotic and predictable for Bernard Hopkins in my opinion. Bernard can adapt to any style and has the ability to outbox Felix Sturm. Felix Sturm seems like a good fighter but i cannot seeing him ever retiring Bernard

sturm sucks all he gots is a jab

Sturm's got more than a jab, his left hand is strong in general, I don't think you were payin much attention to the fight bro. The first punch that stumbled Oscar in the first few second of the first round was a right hook. I would like it if both his hands were that strong, though. Sturm can be a good fighter I think, I wish that he was more agressive against DLH and threw punches in the clinch. He should work on his speed a little bit too.

But as of right now, I don't see Sturm retiring Hopkins, I'm sure Bernard was peeping Felix's game when he fought Oscar. If he wasn't, then he's not as smart as I thought he was, cus I would have. Sturm's jab is great, no doubt. But I don't think he's beating Hopkins anytime soon. I WOULD like to see them fight though. BUT, if that happens people will start saying again that Bernard fight weak fighters.

You guys are hilarious. Hopkins would kill Sturm if they ever fought (which they wont) and you also crack me up with how tough you guys are saying the body punch wouldnt have hurt. Open your eyes and jus enjoy the fight.

Nicht you still say the dumbest things I've ever heard.

correction:

the punch was a left hook that stumbled Oscar in the first few seconds of the first round in the Sturm vs. DLH fight.

Hopkins won't waste him time with likes of Sturm at this point in his career. Nothing but megafights for him now. Tarver,Jones, Trinidad are the likely opponents .

Sturm is great. Old men will have trouble beating Sturm.

yea look at all those knock outs... a fat delhoya beat him barely but still beat him it wasnt all that contraversial

Nicht you still say the dumbest things I've ever heard.


You actually HEAR what you READ? You do know that is an indication of either indigent stupidity or serious brain impairment don't you? Oops!....of course you don't because you are mentally bankrupt of normal brain function! My bad! Now go eat some lead paint chips & make me a potholder wacky....

You actually HEAR what you READ? You do know that is an indication of either indigent stupidity or serious brain impairment don't you? Oops!....of course you don't because you are mentally bankrupt of normal brain function! My bad! Now go eat some lead paint chips & make me a potholder wacky....
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Hopkins won't waste him time with likes of Sturm at this point in his career. Nothing but megafights for him now. Tarver,Jones, Trinidad are the likely opponents .


.....megafights for gullible MEGA****. STURM is the PRIME mandatory for Bernard...although you may not realize this because of all the fairy dust you have been cravenly inhaling out of Bob Arum's gilded *******.

a fat delhoya beat him barely but still beat him it wasnt all that contraversial


Well I didn't see delhoya's (sic) contraversial (sic) win but I did see Delahoya get beaten about the ring by Felix Sturm a few months ago......it was strange that the crowd kept chanting "Bull****" after the decision was announced...is that Delahoya's middle name?

Well I didn't see delhoya's (sic) contraversial (sic) win but I did see Delahoya get beaten about the ring by Felix Sturm a few months ago......it was strange that the crowd kept chanting "Bull****" after the decision was announced...is that Delahoya's middle name?
It seems that way these days.

Of the Middleweights that are active right now, Jerman Taylor has the best shot of retiring Hopkins BUT not now.

Take the long odds on STURM it will be a lock.....

Sturm gets beaten and beaten badly. Name me one thing he does better than Hopkins?

Sturm is younger. Much younger.

It looked to me that when they met, Sturm was a tad quicker than De la Hoya. This makes him dangerous for Hopkins, especially, given that Sturm's style is to stay outside; slide and glide, stick out the jab, befuddle the opponent. His punch, though, is not the type that would deter Hopkins who can of course try and wade through the jabs to get to Sturm. Hop can roughhouse. But Sturm is a natural middleweight, an equally big man and would not be easy for Hopkins to manhandle. Sturm has shown stamina and consistency:he can keep excellent pace through 12 rounds moving side-to-side and in-and-out. Hopkins cannot employ a wait out tactic, i.e., wait for Sturm to tire out in the later rounds. He'd have to chase Sturm every round and grab him. I think, in Hopkins-Sturm,the referee's officiating style would have much to do with the fight result.

NichtGeflechten wrote: Take the long odds on STURM it will be a lock.....

Let's put up some money and roll the bets then.

Money where your mouth is

Sturm is a natural middle, Oscar was not.

Hopkins would destroy Sturm.

That is all.

Sturm has NO SHOT against Hopkins. Like I said he doesn't do one thing better

Is he gonna outbox Hopkins? Hell no, Is he gonna out muscle Hopkins?..Hell no

Hopkins bust him up and stops him late with ease

No one has unlimited youth. Everyone gets old. Same with boxers.

I'll take a 39 year old Hopkins over a 20 something Sturm anyday of the week.

Sturm has NO SHOT against Hopkins. Like I said he doesn't do one thing better

Is he gonna outbox Hopkins? Hell no, Is he gonna out muscle Hopkins?..Hell no

Hopkins bust him up and stops him late with easeHop did not outbox Oscar in the early going. The little of the jabs that were thrown and landed in the first four rounds were mostly De la Hoya's. Sturm threw/landed more jabs per round than De la Hoya (compustat) when they met, +, De la Hoya stood face up vs. Hopkins. Many wonder what would have happened had he stayed outside and boxed. Sturm consistently stays outside. And he has not been known to fade in the later rounds. Can Hopkins get to Sturm; grab him and force him to fight up close? Will the ref not be one who's prone to break up in-fighting too early? A highly "visible" ref would be in Sturm's favor.

I'll take a 39 year old Hopkins over a 20 something Sturm anyday of the week.


What are you risking on the fight? Tiddly Winks? Take the early odds on STURM and you won't come crying to the forum after the fight.

Sturm will not beat hopkins not b4 his 65th birthday.

come on for crying out loud hopkins is the best middleweight since hagler, BAR NONE, Sturm just got robbed against a fat de la hoya, dont get so carried away you are talking bout two fighters who are miles apart in the class department.

Sturm is a solid pro with a decent career ahead of him, Hopkins is a gaurneteed hall of famer who has made 19 defences is one of the top five all time middleweights (in my book anyway).

its just not even comparable, hopkins tko 5 if they meet.

i suppose you might be hoping for the fight in germany so that we can have another sven ottke robin / reid debacle, where BHop isnt allowed to hit Sturm, maybe then and if they tie his legs together and his gloves it might be close

Styles make fights...STURM is tall, very conditioned, quick, economical and has a wicked jab. Hopkins finally looks "old" in a fight. I will bet this one big.

he is also upright, exposed, light handed and his midriff will be banged like a tom tom til he wants to piss blood Im afraid.

you did just see the body shot that put down de la hoya, and you did also see how many times de la hoya cracked him in the body when they fought, you think he can last 12 rounds with B hop with those tactics, not a hope.


you aint talking about an overweight de la hoya here, you are talking about a guy who has one more defence at middle do you honestly think he is gonna let anyone beat him?


nah. I like sturm but the best thing for his career is if he contests the belts post Bhop retirement.

he aint ready yet.

......so sayeth Sir Chubbsy Ubbsy, undisputed Champion of Fish & Chips Unlimited Tartar Sauce division!

No so say I boxing journalist.


wanna keep crossing swords on boxing rather than insults mate, you brave internet warriors do make me larf. :D

No so say I boxing journalist.


Oh yes I know your journal quite well, I use it twice a day to wipe my ass.....I really appreciate it's insipid illiteracy and vastly shallow acumen AND THE FACT THAT IT IS TWO-PLY AND QUILTED REALLY TAKES THE CAKE!

haha . whatever mate maybe one day you will actually read something on boxing dude, or maybe if you have all the answers you could give writing a go, you know do something constructive for the sport we love. Get some exposure rather than messing about here putting people down. Its quite sad really.

I was good enough to be approached to write for this site, but declined for now due to the fact I am loyal to my present employees / friends.

Met many people like you on sites, they generally start throwing insults to cover up their own lack of knowledge and eloquence.

No I dont think about the grammar in every post I write I save that for my articles.

Now I suggest that you get into the socialist spirit of these boards and stop being a dickhead. I have no desire to enter some petty internet feud, I will state it again, im here to talk boxing.

If not well guess Ill just have to use the ignore button, which I would rather not do.

IN WITH THE LOVE OUT WITH THE HATE! :D

Now I suggest that you get into the socialist spirit of these boards


....spoken like a true NWO limey!

is that the best you can do? Come on take me on on boxing sunshine, lets see who has egg on their faces.

go find miss piggy ya muppet, Im done trying to be reasonable.

as you might say OWNED.

Come on take me on on boxing sunshine



...you should sing this to the tune of "Ragtime Gal" !!!!

sturm sucks all he gots is a jab

Sturm needs a miracle to even reach round 9.

I think that Hopkins would win, but I don't think Sturm would be completely blown out- on the outside Sturm would have the advantage to a degree because of Sturm's jab. Other then that though Hopkins would be the better fighter, look for similar results as the DLH and Hopkins fight if these two square off.

You don't think STURM will be HUGELY undervalued in this fight?

I wonder if Sturm would have taken that body shot? :D

I think that Hopkins would win, but I don't think Sturm would be completely blown out- on the outside Sturm would have the advantage to a degree because of Sturm's jab. Other then that though Hopkins would be the better fighter, look for similar results as the DLH and Hopkins fight if these two square off.

I agree Bernard is a allround better fighter than Felix Sturm. Sturm would take his punishment but i could see him either getting beaten badly on points or stopped later on in the fight.

Although i have only seen one Felix Sturm fight so i could be drastically underestimating him but i doubt it.

Have you seen what STURM looks like lately? He is in MONSTER condition and is going to BEAT Hopkins and I will put 10 dimes on the fight as soon as it gets chalked. This fight could open at 18+ to 1!

It would be a interesting fight for a middleweight title defense but i personally don't think Bernard will want to fight him. Bernard is coming up to the end of his caareer now and has shown plenty of signs of wanting to fight pound for pound fighters only. Tarver and Roys names have been mentioned so much recently. I have to agree with Bernards way of thinking, the bigger the names on the end of his record the even greater he will be in the record books.

STURM is his mandatory and NO man is bigger than the sport....if he signs a "Superfight" out of his weight class with queued mandatories waiting he should relinquish his belts. This is the type of bull**** that causes boxing to start sliding down a slippery slope.

Shouldn't the correct title be "Sturm Will Retire"?

I agree with what you are saying, it's not fair on other fighters careers at all. Mandatorys should get the first shot but thats not how things have worked for the last 100 years. People have always missed out in some shape or form. Howard Eastman has been a mandatory challenger for awhile now but he never got his shot and he has tried several times.

Shouldn't the correct title be "Sturm Will Retire"?

How much did you win on the Tyson fight again? What was your prediction? I put my money where my mouth is and was DEAD ON. STURM is going to be a lock. Hopkins grows "old" during this fight and the new "Golden Boy" emerges......start saving yer nickles and dimes now.

I've only seen a couple Sturm fights, but from what i've seen of him I guess I am one of the few who thinks he is more of a prospect than Jermain Taylor. I think Sturm would give Hopkins a very good fight and I would give Sturm a chance of winning that one.

Hilarious. Sturm should retire. Plain and simple. He lost to natural welterweight De La Hoya, who got knocked out by Bernard Hopkins. Hopkins would kill the German.
Yes I made the bet and had Hopkins winning, but this site changed and all the cash in the same direction as Sturm and de la Hoya (opposite of "up")

You heard it here

I've only seen a couple Sturm fights, but from what i've seen of him I guess I am one of the few who thinks he is more of a prospect than Jermain Taylor. I think Sturm would give Hopkins a very good fight and I would give Sturm a chance of winning that one.


It's still his fault that he lost his title to Oscar de la Hoya. He'll have to work his way back up to get another title bout.

:D Sorry friends but Sturm has nothing in his arsenal to beat BH at this point . . . I'm not saying Sturm can never beat BH what I'm saying is not now. Although he clearly outpointed DLH in their encounter all he did was to out jab DLH. Nothing comes after that jab. He seldom throws that right and seldom throws combinations. BH can easily beat him by late stoppage.

Speaking of superfights with Hopkins, a lucrative bout would be against Tarver. Sturm should consider retirement after his poor outing

Why should Sturm retire? He has never fought poorly. I think he will be difficult to beat.

sturm retire? Thats not serious, guy is embarking on a long career, dont get me wrong I quite like Sturm, he just isnt in hopkins class, but who is?

Best thing for Felix would be if he goes for one of the the belts post hopkin's retirement in my opinion.

he will up there in the mix then, with the likes of taylor / eastman etc.

You should stick to giving advice to those you are qualified to: anyone that presently resides in a cemetary or a body bag. STURM will beat Hopkins just like your father beat you after discovering you prancing about in yer mum's finest flimsies....

HAHA LOL YOU DONT GIVE UP MATE DO YOU, go find someone else to annoy troll.

I cant wait to hear your thoughts on a serious boxing issue mate.
thats if you have any at all.

Keep it coming you dont bother me not one bit.

For every arsewipe like you theres a decent boxing fan who is interested.

HAHA LOL YOU DONT GIVE UP MATE DO YOU, go find someone else to annoy troll.

I cant wait to hear your thoughts on a serious boxing issue mate.
thats if you have any at all.

Keep it coming you dont bother me not one bit.

For every arsewipe like you theres a decent boxing fan who is interested.

:) Hey JPW just don't bother responding to his rants and he grows bored. He tries it on with most users on here.

thanks Wez, it really doesnt bother me though I think its quite funny in a sad way, as I said people like your good self totally counter act anything that he could have to say or insult me with.

true boxing fans who wish to exchange views and ideas interaction and knowledge.

keep up the good work mate, this sport needs people like you. ;)

Well one of my recent thoughts was Williams KO Tyson in 4. Was I close? (in your expert opinion as Teletubbieland's most esteemed journo)

Wot's this Wez? Not even going to give me a reach around then? You dirty bastard....you are definitely off my X-mas card list this year!

thanks Wez, it really doesnt bother me though I think its quite funny in a sad way, as I said people like your good self totally counter act anything that he could have to say or insult me with.

true boxing fans who wish to exchange views and ideas interaction and knowledge.

keep up the good work mate, this sport needs people like you. ;)

:D Hey thanks, your a credit to the sport yourself. You have just earned yourself a karma point. ;)

finally nichtdicht, a post about boxing, if indeed that was the case well done, I also called williams to win, but said the 7th, and called hopkins tko 10. So not bad.
But predicting has an element of luck so that doesnt mean you are an expert. but it is immense fun.

Honest if you wish to be pleasant and exchange boxing views Im sure I can learn a lot from you and vice versa, if you wish to continue some petty wind up, you will find it fruitless mate.

Speaking of which if anyone would like to join a prediction league I have an affiliate site that runs in connection for the site I write for.

Pm me ill send you the link, hope Im not stepping on anyones toes here, does this site run a predicton league at all?

cheers Wez you r a gent.

Hey Wezcar De La Hoya "The Golden Showers Boy"!
How are you? :p

Hey Wezcar De La Hoya "The Golden Showers Boy"!
How are you? :p

:D Hey Dr Cynical i'm doing good, how about you? I'm at work at the moment but i just thought i would take time to browse the forums.

I've got some money saved now, keep an eye on your title. :p

:D Hey Dr Cynical i'm doing good, how about you? I'm at work at the moment but i just thought i would take time to browse the forums.

I've got some money saved now, keep an eye on your title. :p
lol I've got over 4,000 saved, I think you should be expecting a title change anytime now. :p

What is your job?

Dr. Cynical, I am trying to give you Karma, but I still can't. It says I still have to pass more reputation around. So, I gave your friend Karma.

Dr. Cynical, I am trying to give you Karma, but I still can't. It says I still have to pass more reputation around. So, I gave your friend Karma.
Thanks again for trying.

The guy above my previous post likes to be called "The Golden Showers Boy". :p

Why does he like to be called that? I like his avatar, because I like Oscar De La Hoya. I also like Sturm.

JPW I'll have to defer joining your fantasy league as I prefer to wager with actual money.....it winnows out the men from the crossdressers. I am going to bet STURM on the overnight ticket and will lay a nickel a book. (15 dimes total) Chisel this in stone...

:D Hey thanks, your a credit to the sport yourself. You have just earned yourself a karma point. ;)

:mad: I cannot believe Nicht gave me negative feedback for this post.

How do you know that he gave you negative feedback? Where do you see this?

Why does he like to be called that? I like his avatar, because I like Oscar De La Hoya. I also like Sturm.

:D Dr Cynical wants to call me that, i am not too fond of myself.

How do you know that he gave you negative feedback? Where do you see this?

It tells you on your main user profile page.

Why does he like to be called that? I like his avatar, because I like Oscar De La Hoya. I also like Sturm.
lol It's a little joke.

:mad: I cannot believe Nicht gave me negative feedback for this post.
How do you know it was Nicht?
I thought the whole karma thing was anonymous.

lol I've got over 4,000 saved, I think you should be expecting a title change anytime now. :p

What is your job?

:D I work for a Law Firm so watch out. :p

Saccharine fawning gets you BAD KARMA baby!!!!! :eek:

:D I work for a Law Firm so watch out. :p
lol Are you going to sue me for changing your title? :p

lol Are you going to sue me for changing your title? :p

:D No not the first time :p I'll just alter your title, although does it affect your reputation when you change the titles?

:D No not the first time :p I'll just alter your title, although does it affect your reputation when you change the titles?
Not that I know of.

Saccharine fawning gets you BAD KARMA baby!!!!! :eek:


I hope you don't give me bad Karma. I think it is funny how you said "baby". I started laughing. I think I will start saying "baby" also. Please don't give me bad Karma baby.

lol im surprised none of you have realised, Sturm is a GERMAN thats the only reason as to why nicht thinks he's going to beat hopkins.

nationlistic pride is not an excuse for ignorance. :D :D :D :D

nationlistic pride is not an excuse for ignorance. ....or bad teeth right JPW?

IVE GOT VERY GOOD TEETH AS IT GOES!

cheers for giving me the opportunity to get that in. :D

I got the biggest, meanest, blackest balls on boxingscene.com

damn this thread is OLD!!! lol

they fight. Bet on it.

sturm sucks and hopkins is done
stupid thread

What???



















Hopkins hasnt retired yet?

they fight. Bet on it.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!


go back to rehab you ****in queer *****!

Sturm needs to fight someone. What has he done since Oscar? Maybe I missed somthing, has he beat anyone good?

I got the biggest, meanest, blackest balls on boxingscene.com


ahahaha a classic geflechten thread.

i gotta give him blue k on this one.

Hopkins will take the jab away from Sturm like he took away Taylors. in the 2nd fight Taylor threw more jabs and by throwing more he landed more, but none were affective.

Hopkins is way to crafty and skilled for Sturm to win. Sturm isnt going to knockout Hopkins, he isnt going to outbox Hopkins, he isnt going to beat him up on the inside.

Taylor couldn't even get a clean shot on Hopkins, what makes you think that Sturm is going to land a big shot for a KO? he isnt.

as for Hopkins getting old, he is, but he is more competitive than 98% of the boxers currently fighting right now, he is still in better shape than majority of fighters today. he's never struggled at the scales. he never blows up in between fights! he gave Taylor all he could handle. and he made him mis alot too, also he out landed Taylor in both fights, almost all power shots too.

Sturm is a good fighter but not good enough to beat Hopkins. Hopkins knows how to take guys out of their game plan.

He would beat Sturm by UD maybe even late round ko.......

wonder why jack the rippuh brought this thread back up to the front page?

I think sturm has nothing to look for with B_Hop. To much for him to take on.