toney's old, sloppy, barely trains, no stamina, and losing skill. should he retire b4 he gets hurt?

Nope, he gotta fight Wlad.

toney's old, sloppy, barely trains, no stamina, and losing skill. should he retire b4 he gets hurt?

That doesnt say much for Rahman who couldnt put the old, sloppy, barely trains, no stamina, and losing skill fighter away in 12 or take a clear cut decision.

That doesnt say much for Rahman who couldnt put the old, sloppy, barely trains, no stamina, and losing skill fighter away in 12 or take a clear cut decision.
Well, Rahman did not look like much last couple of his fights.

That doesnt say much for Rahman who couldnt put the old, sloppy, barely trains, no stamina, and losing skill fighter away in 12 or take a clear cut decision.
even in his old sloppy barely trains losing skill no stamina state toney still is very slick and has lots of tricks up his sleeve. and he had the flu.

i like toney

he's almost the man.

I want him to fight for as long as he can. and yea, he has gotta beat vlad, or wlad or something. whatever he changed his name to

He can't retire until we someone beat the living crap out of him...only then will I be satisfied

He can't retire until we someone beat the living crap out of him...only then will I be satisfied
why do you hate him?

Calling James fat is one thing, calling him a ***** is another. Oh well, not standing infront of him I guess you guys can say what you want to.

James is still ok. He does need to get his conditioning up but he is as skilled a fighter as is out there. Granted he's slowed abit with age and injury but he is still one of the elite.

Rockin' :boxing:

one of the elite? thats pushing it. He is definetly still a solid fighter. his reflexes have slowed noticably and injuries have had their way with him. But all in all, i love toney and wish he could fight forever. Just like his style and stuff.

why do you hate him?

Because he's wasting his god given talent. I used to really enjoy watching him fight, he had it all, handspeed, reaction time, accuracy, defence...At 190lbs when he faced Holyfield he looked like a fresh of breath air in the HWD. I can't stand how he now insults boxing turning up for fights at 240lbs...I just want him finished off now.

one of the elite? thats pushing it. He is definetly still a solid fighter. his reflexes have slowed noticably and injuries have had their way with him. But all in all, i love toney and wish he could fight forever. Just like his style and stuff.

Not in the elite? Name 5 fighters that match him in defensive skill.

Rockin' :boxing:

rockin i thought you hated james for what he did to jackie?

Not in the elite? Name 5 fighters that match him in defensive skill.

Rockin' :boxing:


No one pays to see you defend punches, you're supposed to throw them in return

Not in the elite? Name 5 fighters that match him in defensive skill.

Rockin' :boxing:


there aren't 5 fighters that can match him defensively, even when he's overweight. Teddy Atlas hammered him about his weight on fnf not too long ago. i hope he listens

Toney should retire; but I will not vote on any thread that refers to a 3 (should be 4) division World Champion as a "*****".
:mad:

Calling James fat is one thing, calling him a ***** is another. Oh well, not standing infront of him I guess you guys can say what you want to.

James is still ok. He does need to get his conditioning up but he is as skilled a fighter as is out there. Granted he's slowed abit with age and injury but he is still one of the elite.

Rockin' :boxing:
I second that sir.

Not in the elite? Name 5 fighters that match him in defensive skill.

Rockin' :boxing:


I guess. but thats mostly because every heavyweight sucks compared to what Toney used to face. He learned a lot from his experience with those guys and the dramatic drop in talent allows him to stay up there. He is good defensively though...

I second that sir.

I second that too. Toney has tremendous guts. You can't name call Toney.

rockin i thought you hated james for what he did to jackie?


I lost alot of respect for him but objectively I would be a fool to say that James is **** and a fat *****. The guy has old school skills and is still able to display them against younger competition, and win. James was alot of fun back in the day, but I only lost respect as a person for him not as a fighter.

Rockin' :boxing:

I second that too. Toney has tremendous guts. You can't name call Toney.

Make that a 3rd.

I guess. but thats mostly because every heavyweight sucks compared to what Toney used to face. He learned a lot from his experience with those guys and the dramatic drop in talent allows him to stay up there. He is good defensively though...
look, i only called him ***** as an attention getter. i knew nobody would look at it if the title wasnt appealing.

I second that sir.

I feel honored by your words. Thankyou.

Rockin' :boxing:

No one pays to see you defend punches, you're supposed to throw them in return


I dont understand where your coming from.

Rockin' :boxing:

I feel honored by your words. Thankyou.

Rockin' :boxing:
read ^^^^, i dont think he's a ***** i got mad respect for him.

I feel honored by your words. Thankyou.

Rockin' :boxing:

But you shouldn't be brownnosing, Sir.





(j/k :) )

I dont understand where your coming from.

Rockin' :boxing:
he's saying toney doesnt throw enough punches and he just tries to defend.

This is total disrespect of a great fighter who happened to come in his heaviest(2pounds more)in what many would call the biggest fight of his career and even after fighting to a draw in the sloppiest condition weve seen him in ever, against a guy who proclaimed being in the best shape of his career, we try and write him off, come on now its James Toney he'll be back and if not in better shape he'll atleast gove us a fight, a good one at that

read ^^^^, i dont think he's a ***** i got mad respect for him.


then why did you make this thread?

then why did you make this thread?
to see your opinion.

This is total disrespect of a great fighter who happened to come in his heaviest(2pounds more)in what many would call the biggest fight of his career and even after fighting to a draw in the sloppiest condition weve seen him in ever, against a guy who proclaimed being in the best shape of his career, we try and write him off, come on now its James Toney he'll be back and if not in better shape he'll atleast gove us a fight, a good one at that
you really need to read b4 you post, it was just an attention getter.

to see your opinion.



oh, ok ..........

you really need to read b4 you post, it was just an attention getter.

Attention getting through disrespect....not a healthy practice.

But you shouldn't be brownnosing, Sir

For the big man of the site to not only notice the statement but also agree with it is an honorable thing to me. The man has alot of work to do with the site and for him to stop and take notice was cool. I kiss nobodies ass, but do give thanks where it is warranted.

Rockin' :boxing:

Attention getting through disrespect....not a healthy practice.
i dont care, if i knew you guys would act like this i wouldnt have made the damn thread.

i dont care, if i knew you guys would act like this i wouldnt have made the damn thread.


Your alright man, forget about it.

Rockin' :boxing:

For the big man of the site to not only notice the statement but also agree with it is an honorable thing to me. The man has alot of work to do with the site and for him to stop and take notice was cool. I kiss nobodies ass, but do give thanks where it is warranted.

Rockin' :boxing:



i was just kidding ... :)

I think he should or fight Wlad then retire.

Nope, he gotta fight Wlad.

That will be a circus act. What's Tony gonna do..chew on Wlads knee caps. I won't even bother watching that fight if it's on PPV. 6'7 vs 5'9...No thanks.

i was just kidding ... :)


Its cool man, I knew where you were coming from.

Rockin' :boxing:

toney's old, sloppy, barely trains, no stamina, and losing skill. should he retire b4 he gets hurt?
Those are pretty harsh words, I bet james Toney would slap your teeth out of the back of your head if you said that to his face...

toney's old, sloppy, barely trains, no stamina, and losing skill. should he retire b4 he gets hurt?He should retire when he gets hurt, it still hasn't happened. I think Toney can fight for 2 or 3 more years, but he does need to get his act together & don't come out of shape for the rest of his career, because his clock his thicking.

He needs to retire.As much as I like Rahman he is an average fighter and if Toney got a draw(a clear win for Rock imo) then he's not going to beat the better fighters in the division(Wladimir).

Tony is apparently back at Billy Blanks gym and is talking of fighting soon. Dont write him off yet.

He needs to retire.As much as I like Rahman he is an average fighter and if Toney got a draw(a clear win for Rock imo) then he's not going to beat the better fighters in the division(Wladimir).


if toney wants to really conquer the heavy division, then he seriously needs to be no more than 220 tops. especially at his age

He needs to retire.As much as I like Rahman he is an average fighter and if Toney got a draw(a clear win for Rock imo) then he's not going to beat the better fighters in the division(Wladimir).Rahman is not an averagre fighter, he has the best resume in the HW division. The Rahman that fought Toney was in his best shape.

Rahman is another guy that doesn't come in shape in everyfight, just watch the Ruiz fight & then go watch the fight that he KO's Lennox Lewis.

its a shame how rahman was in the best shape of his career but couldnt get a clear decision over a fat middleweight who had the flu :rolleyes:

if he acts on his words i think he can beat toney if they fight again.

i think he should fight until it is clear who is the HW Champ ...

although another loss, he should consider retiring Healty ...

His big mouth should retire forever.

Not his fighting. I want someone to damage him for life, someone like a white fighter he hates, someone like Wlad.

Do i hate him? No, he doesn't deserve that kind of attention imo.

If, and I hope it's not a BIG if, If he can get in shape for 2-3 more fights he'll give any HW a run for their money and probaly beats 99% of them. Again I said "IF"

i think he should fight until it is clear who is the HW Champ ...

although another loss, he should consider retiring Healty ...

Let's keep this in mind, he has yet to lose (officially) as a heavyweight, and he's fought 2 of the alphabet champs. i think thye Rahman draw was a wake up call and we'll see the best the 39 year old Toney has to ofer in his next fight.

he shouldn't retire. As a 'fat' heavyweight, no one has even beaten him up yet. Imagine if he decides to get healthy then. Besides, the heavyweight right now is weak and anybody can take it. It's like flipping a coin everytime there's a heavyweight fight.

Calling James fat is one thing, calling him a ***** is another. Oh well, not standing infront of him I guess you guys can say what you want to.

James is still ok. He does need to get his conditioning up but he is as skilled a fighter as is out there. Granted he's slowed abit with age and injury but he is still one of the elite.

Rockin' :boxing:
exactly! good call my brotha

try that ***** **** in front of toney he has a look that'd make a bear turn away

no way in bloody hell would i ever ever EVVVER never ever ever ever talk **** to james lights out toney...thats like pokeing a lion in the butt with a branding iron

Nah, he shouldnt. I would love him to get in shape for his next fight tho.

exactly! good call my brotha

try that ***** **** in front of toney he has a look that'd make a bear turn away

no way in bloody hell would i ever ever EVVVER never ever ever ever talk **** to james lights out toney...thats like pokeing a lion in the butt with a branding iron

You are right, but we have the right. I want to see him get beat up. I wont call him a ***** in real life, bad idea i guess :rolleyes:

yeah lol he could use some improveing or an asskicking

No one pays to see you defend punches, you're supposed to throw them in return

The Toney-Rahman fight isn't the only time you've seen Toney fight, right?

Nah, he shouldnt. I would love him to get in shape for his next fight tho.

:rofl: Your avatar!! Holy crap, I had that game! "Pro Wrestling"....that's the Amazon using a foreign object on Fighter Hayabusa!! TOO MUCH!!! LOL!!!

WHY RETIRE. The HW class sucks now so that means its wide open. Hell he will fight until he is 60 because he is simply smarter than everyone else in his class.

Attention getting through disrespect....not a healthy practice.
That's pretty rich - considering how James Toney gets all his attention. :lol1:

I second that too. Toney has tremendous guts. You can't name call Toney.
Well, at least we can agree - he does have a tremendous gut! :lol1:

Seriously though, Toney is still unbeaten as a heavyweight, and even though he's not in his prime anymore, he's a good fighter. I wouldn't favor him against any of the current titleists, but I'd give him a "live dog" chance against Rahman, Liakhovich and Valuev. Wlad, no, he doesn't stand a chance but any of the others are not out of the question. So no compelling reason to retire...

That's pretty rich - considering how James Toney gets all his attention. :lol1:

Point taken. :D

I think he likes Burger King more though. There was a thread here b4 the Rahman fight, some boxingscene poster said he saw Toney in line at a Burger King somewhere. Funny stuff.

I would love to see Mark McGuire hit him in the head with a homerun slugging swing. Hell I would pay to see it

Not in the elite? Name 5 fighters that match him in defensive skill.

Rockin' :boxing:
** Given that Ruiz and James Titties landed around an identical number of punches in their, I'd say Ruiz is easily a match for JT!

Of course Boozo blows it out his shorts every time you point that out.