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Kimmy

02-03-2005, 08:58 AM

With Oscar comptemplating a move back to Welterweight there are no clear opponents for him. I have devised 5 guys he should fight ( in or around the welterweight division ) and 5 guys he should avoid.

HE SHOULD FIGHT....

1. Zab Judah. Judah's speed is his only advantage, both guys speed is impressive but Zab has a glass jaw and his power although good isn`t Bernard Hopkins. If Oscar could make this a long fight i think Zab will do what he does: hurl chairs at refs and get KO`d. Southpaw factor is a worry but i think Zab's chin is destined to give way to Oscar's power at welterweight.

2. Felix Trinidad. This fight would have to be at middleweight but why couldn`t Oscar win this one? He outboxed him before didn`t he, a few adjustments here and there he may pull it off. The victory would repair his reputation quite a bit and even if he lost, he could use the weight excuse. On his best day, Oscar could out point Tito

3. Daniel Santos. WBO jnr middleweight champ, has been winning allot lately and is becoming a decent fighter. Hits with a decent whack at jnr middle but nothing to scare Oscar. Southpaw but not great defensively and has been stopped and floored many times. Speed is average, oscar should stop this guy late.

4. Kosta Tsyzu. Dangerous fight but with allot of rewards. Big money and Tsyzu has mentioned wanting to go up in weight. Oscar with a bigger reach, height and of late longer fights and activity would probably be able to take this fight long and his speed should outbox Tsyzu. As long as he avoids the right hand, could be an easy win with tons of respect attached.

5. Antonio Margarito. Seems to have an excellent chin and boxes well but i think lacks Oscar`s skills in the boxing department. If oscar boxes and uses his combos and speed, he`ll nick it on points.

HE SHOULDN`T FIGHT...

1. Ronald Wright. Not just because of the southpaw thing. Its that Wright boxes very well, has a good chin, can last the distance and has beaten Mosley twice, while Oscar has lost to the same guy. Maybe Oscar could pull it off but it wouldnt be worth the risk at this stage, he should stay away from this guy.

2. Cory Spinks. More or less for the same reasons as not fighting Wright. Spinks is good and is faster than Ronald Wright and appears to have as good of chin. The undisputed welterweight title is a great prize but style wise, its the wrong fight. Avoid!

3. Kermit Cintron. This guy seems the real deal and although a Welterweight, might be the biggest puncher Oscar has faced. He is young, hungry and looking to make a name for himself. Oscar shouldn`t think of this fight if it isn`t for a title...or a few titles

4. Carlos Manuel Baldomir. Your probably shocked at this choice. Baldomir has 9 losses against no bodies, why should oscar avoid him? Wouldn`t Oscar make this guy his girlfriend? Yes, he would and this is why he should avoid him. Oscar only has maybe 2 or 3 fights in him ( he isn`t shot, he doesn`t seem interested ). It would be wasting his time taking this fight and being one of his last fights people might remember it. Yes, Baldomir is like the WBC 1 at welterweight, but isn`t worth it.

5. Shane Mosley. Oscar may be tempted to once again step in with Mosley. Could be Mosley is damaged goods and maybe the judges will watch the fight this time ( be honest, Oscar was robbed in the rematch ) but what would be gained by this fight? Yes, Oscar could get revenage..maybe, but at this current time Mosley has only managed to win one of his last 6 fights and most people felt that the win was a luckly one. Apart from pride, Mosley offers nothing to Oscar at this time and why risk losing a third time for nothing?

guru

02-03-2005, 09:02 AM

i think he'd beat spinks..... and should also avoid forrest, if he's still fighting

jabsRstiff

02-03-2005, 09:05 AM

At 147, Shane Mosley would beat Oscar DeLaHoya.....as long as Shane remembers not to follow Oscar around.
If Shane boxes I think he'll beat Oscar, who struggles with fast boxers.

spinksjinx

02-03-2005, 09:22 AM

dino

02-03-2005, 10:03 AM

fight : JUDAH SPINKS CINTRON SANTOS ZOO

not: FOREST MOSLEY WRIGHT TRAVIS SIMMS OUMA

guru

02-03-2005, 10:15 AM

i think oscar beats spinks.... spinks is barely beating mayorga and zab... oscar is bigger, has fast hands, more power and probably a better chin....

+= El Jefe=+

02-03-2005, 10:16 AM

DiegoFuego

02-03-2005, 10:22 AM

he should fight anyone that doesn't have a punch (Spinks)

he should avoid anyone that throws hard elbow shots (80% of the boxing world)

Super_Lightweight

02-03-2005, 11:47 AM

Tszyu would give De la hoya trouble, Tszyu can box and throw punches at the same time, each punch carries a brick. Tszyu would hurt De la hoya and give him the hardest fight of his career, hands down.

De La Hoya can take Vargas, Hopkins, and Tito shots, the likes of which Tsyzu does not compare to. Oscar has more power than Zoo and would KO him in my opinion, no matter how touhg Zoo is.

Kornhusker

02-03-2005, 11:58 AM

De La Hoya can take Vargas, Hopkins, and Tito shots, the likes of which Tsyzu does not compare to. Oscar has more power than Zoo and would KO him in my opinion, no matter how touhg Zoo is.

No, he apparently can't take Hopkins shots. We don't know about Tito, I'm not even sure Tito landed a clean punch on him. I didn't see the Vargas fight, but I do know that Shane had him hurt on several occasions. Since Shane more than likely doesn't have Tszyu's power, I think Kostya probably could hurt him.

guru

02-03-2005, 12:27 PM

oscar hasn't showed big KO power since fighting at 140... he does have a good chin though...

mic573

02-03-2005, 12:39 PM

De La Hoya can take Vargas, Hopkins, and Tito shots, the likes of which Tsyzu does not compare to. Oscar has more power than Zoo and would KO him in my opinion, no matter how touhg Zoo is.

I think you are underestimating Tszyu's power bigtime with that statement. I think people need to remember that Oscar didn't have that big of power at 147.

Eman

02-03-2005, 12:57 PM

I actually agreed with Super_Lightweight. Zoos got power that is no question. But DLH has been in the ring with bigger tougher and stronger guys. I actually dont see any1 at 147 and under betting DLH. The only guy i give a chance to beat DLH is Cintron in the 147 and below. Veron as been out to long to come back and beat DLH. And Winky and Ouma are the only guys i give a chance to beat him at 154. Mosley, i think DLH will win but i just dont wanna see it. I think he lost the first fight and won the second. And for Trinidad i think Dlh should just stay away from from every1 at 160.

jack_the_rippuh

02-03-2005, 12:58 PM

I think you are underestimating Tszyu's power bigtime with that statement. I think people need to remember that Oscar didn't have that big of power at 147.

He had enough power to be reckoned with at 147. That jab was stiff and crisp..

Floydmayweather

02-03-2005, 01:00 PM

He definitly has got to fight Zoo and Cintron. It would be cool to seem him fight Floyd but i dont think it is going to happen.

MetalVomit

02-03-2005, 01:28 PM

Noway would Oscar beat Spinks at this time in his career, Spinks is still very young and his footwork will get Spinks the decision. Like other fighters Spinks wont stand with De la hoya and move that will trouble Oscar. However in his prime, Oscar dominates Spinks no questions asked.

Spinks doesnt hit hard enough to keep Oscar away, also Oscar is strong and Spinks does not have the greatest chin. Just because he can stay away from Mayorga doesnt mean he'll be able to stay away from Oscar.
Tszyu would give De la hoya trouble, Tszyu can box and throw punches at the same time, each punch carries a brick. Tszyu would hurt De la hoya and give him the hardest fight of his career, hands down.

Tszyu would definently give Oscar the toughest fight of his career. Can't pick a winner.
Cintron beating any top 147 pounder is a joke, the guy might be big but his stamina sucks and he throws nothing but power punches. Watch the replay of dlh vs vargas and that would be the outcome. Kermit stands no chance he is a joke his stamina would kill him against a mover.

I agree about Cintron too. He is barely average. Oscar would chew him up.

MetalVomit

02-03-2005, 01:29 PM

Noway would Oscar beat Spinks at this time in his career, Spinks is still very young and his footwork will get Spinks the decision. Like other fighters Spinks wont stand with De la hoya and move that will trouble Oscar. However in his prime, Oscar dominates Spinks no questions asked.

Tszyu would give De la hoya trouble, Tszyu can box and throw punches at the same time, each punch carries a brick. Tszyu would hurt De la hoya and give him the hardest fight of his career, hands down.

Cintron beating any top 147 pounder is a joke, the guy might be big but his stamina sucks and he throws nothing but power punches. Watch the replay of dlh vs vargas and that would be the outcome. Kermit stands no chance he is a joke his stamina would kill him against a mover.

Spinks doesnt hit hard enough to keep Oscar away, also Oscar is strong and Spinks does not have the greatest chin. Just because he can stay away from Mayorga doesnt mean he'll be able to stay away from Oscar.

Tszyu would definently give Oscar the toughest fight of his career. Can't pick a winner.

I agree about Cintron too. He is barely average. Oscar would chew him up.

spinksjinx

02-03-2005, 01:41 PM

GodzHand-I think Spinks would give Oscar a run for his money literally, it would be a defensive fight and I dont think either fighter would hurt one another and would go to the scorecards, but definately a tought fight for both fighters. I would favor Spinks now, De la hoya has slipped A LOT.

I dont understand why people are so damn high on Cintron, Wow he dominated Teddy Reid and couldnt knock him out. The boy was gassing for air in that fight around round 5 what makes people think the mover De la hoya is that Cintron would be able to keep up in the later rounds?????

Floydmayweather

02-03-2005, 03:07 PM

Oscar can beat anyone at 147. Zoo will give him alot of trouble but I think he has a good shot.

Super_Lightweight

02-03-2005, 03:13 PM

No, he apparently can't take Hopkins shots. We don't know about Tito, I'm not even sure Tito landed a clean punch on him. I didn't see the Vargas fight, but I do know that Shane had him hurt on several occasions. Since Shane more than likely doesn't have Tszyu's power, I think Kostya probably could hurt him.

I just meant Oscar has been in the ring and fought with guys better and bigger than Zoo. Zoo, a 140 lbs fighter will NOT be able to hurt DLH as much as DLH will be able to hurt him. Shane's power is at least equal to Zoo's, plus he is faster.

DLH just being taller and bigger, mixed with his speed & his size, will allow him to win. It may not be a KO, but he will win. DLH 5 years ago KO's Zoo worse than Phillips did.

guru

02-03-2005, 04:44 PM

but if zoo lands one perfect shot to the liver, its over....

ottoevans

02-03-2005, 04:57 PM

nobody can beat Oscar at welterweight, i Think the only ones who can give him toruble is those two who are fightingthis saturday. Spinks doesnt like to fight, he comes in throws his compination and runs(mayorga fight) and Zab in my opinions is faster and hits harder than Spinks but isnt as smart.

Kimmy

02-03-2005, 05:35 PM

I agree with you views Ottevans. But i might add that Spinks has a better chin than Judah and probably a better defence. Zab`s ****y style would leave opens for Oscar that would be expolited.

m00ks

02-03-2005, 05:43 PM

winky would give him the most trouble.

oldgringo

02-03-2005, 05:52 PM

I'd favor Oscar over anyone at 147. I don't think he'd do very well against guys like Winky and even Margarito. Margarito has shown very good power at 147 and has what appears to be an excellent chin. Winky with his defense and southpaw style would give Oscar all kinds of problems.

I think Tszyu is too small for Oscar. He'd be jabbed to death and would be taken into deep water late. Whoever said that Shane Mosely didn't have great power at lower weights is crazy. Had he stayed at 135 or 140 he would have owned everybody outside of maybe Floyd.

m00ks

02-03-2005, 05:56 PM

borikua

02-03-2005, 08:20 PM

He's better off as a promoter, his last good fight was against Vargas a decade ago..

bandito

02-03-2005, 08:42 PM

**** this **** about who he shouldn't fight. boxing is about fighting the best. i hate delahoya, but i would like to see him fight

kostya tszyu, cory spinks, zab judah, ricardo mayorga, miguel cotto, antonio margarito, floyd mayweather,felix trinidad(tito by ko)

Silverfox

02-03-2005, 09:48 PM

Noway would Oscar beat Spinks at this time in his career, Spinks is still very young and his footwork will get Spinks the decision. Like other fighters Spinks wont stand with De la hoya and move that will trouble Oscar. However in his prime, Oscar dominates Spinks no questions asked.

Tszyu would give De la hoya trouble, Tszyu can box and throw punches at the same time, each punch carries a brick. Tszyu would hurt De la hoya and give him the hardest fight of his career, hands down.

Cintron beating any top 147 pounder is a joke, the guy might be big but his stamina sucks and he throws nothing but power punches. Watch the replay of dlh vs vargas and that would be the outcome. Kermit stands no chance he is a joke his stamina would kill him against a mover.
You hit the nail on the head when you said, 'At this stage of his.....'

DLH is not what he was. Never will be again. The gold has tarnished.
The mind is willing, but the body cannot cope.

bigdlb12

02-04-2005, 12:24 PM

bandito

02-04-2005, 12:27 PM

should fight
1 Spinks
2 Zab
3 Kostya (if he moves up)
4 Cintron
5 Mayweather (But this fight may never happen)
Stay the hell away from
1 Hopkins (in the ring)
2 Trinidad (cause the fight will take place @ 160)
3 Vargas (dont even waste your time)
4 Hatton (dont want to break these guys dreams)
5 Cotto (dont want to break these guys dreams)

you;d rather see dlh vs cintron than dlh vs cotto? no way buddy, cotto vs dlh will be way better and cotto is good enough to beat him. not saying he will but good enough. way better chance than cintron

dino

02-04-2005, 02:26 PM

but if zoo lands one perfect shot to the liver, its over....

hey idiot..if de la hoya can take a mosley vargas and trinidad punch..i dont see what zoo can do

Pullcounter

02-04-2005, 04:13 PM

1. Zab Judah. This is a fight DLH can win and he should make this fight should Zab somehow beat Spinks (I doubt it)

2. Felix Trinidad. This is a fight DLH should stay away from. DLH is not nearly as moblile as he used to be and if he stands in front of Tito like he stood in front of Hops, he will get murdered.

3. Daniel Santos. Santos is 175 on fight night!!! I think DLH can beat Santos, but why? Santos is nobody and this won't help DLH's career at all.

4. Kosta Tsyzu. This is a dangerous fight because of Tszyu's power, but other than that, DLH has every advantage. If Tszyu gets the winner of Judah/Spinks and DLH takes a lengthy layoff, then DLH should make this fight after Tszyu beats the winner of Judah/Spinks for the unified 147 belts.

5. Antonio Margarito. I think DLH can beat Margarito, but Margarito's high volume punching may give DLH some problems, but not enough to not win the fight.

1. Ronald Wright. Yep Oscar won't beat Winky, why do you think he's been avoiding Wink all this time.

2. Cory Spinks. This is a fight Oscar should take, Spinks can't hurt him and DLH is just as fast as Spinks. DLH has more experience, power, and smarts than Spinks. DLH should make this fight if Spinks beats Judah and Tszyu (if he gets there before DLH)

3. Kermit Cintron. DLH will be able to outbox Cintron, but Cintron has a puncher's chance and given how DLH doesn't move as well anymore, it's a fight that is best not made if it can be avoided.

4. Carlos Manuel Baldomir. Who? DLH would mop the floor w/ this guy.

5. Shane Mosley. DLH should make this fight, if DLH makes it close, he might get the gift decision. 3rd time's the charm.

truefan

02-04-2005, 05:51 PM

bigdlb12

02-04-2005, 06:09 PM

you;d rather see dlh vs cintron than dlh vs cotto? no way buddy, cotto vs dlh will be way better and cotto is good enough to beat him. not saying he will but good enough. way better chance than cintron
I know DLH can beat Cintron, but cotto is too young, I wouldnt want to see DLH break the dreams of Miguel Cotto, for the same reason he didnt want to fight vargas when vargas was still 20

Floydmayweather

02-04-2005, 06:10 PM

Dlh can move junt as well he stood in front of hop because it was a strategy and it backed fired. Anyway Dlh will beat Tito (just like the first time)but he wont run in the last few rounds he will whip Tito like he did the rest of the fight.

borikua

02-04-2005, 07:46 PM

I know DLH can beat Cintron, but cotto is too young, I wouldnt want to see DLH break the dreams of Miguel Cotto, for the same reason he didnt want to fight vargas when vargas was still 20

C'mon don't be so blinded...DLH is done, his last competitive fight was againts Vargas...Cotto kills DLH and Cintron could give DLH a run for his $$$...DLH didn't fought Vargas first cuz he was waiting for someone like Tito to take care of him first...

borikua

02-04-2005, 07:47 PM

Floydmayweather

02-04-2005, 11:56 PM

Whatever you well all see everyone says DLh is shot now cause he lost to hopkins but Tito is so great know cause he beat a blown up welterweight. Guess we well have to wait and see.

SonnyJ

02-05-2005, 12:25 AM

I the first fight Oscar even admitted
it was his fault, he didnt take it too serius
and Everyone knows the second fight, was stolen from him,
I would love the trinidad fight,
but idk about Kostya i think he has changed since
he last fought him.
when did kostya ever fight oscar?

Rcar

02-06-2005, 04:11 PM

I wanna see Tito and Oscar again. If Hopkins didn't hurt him too bad that would be a match , you know you wanna see that again.

woftam

06-12-2005, 07:18 AM

when did kostya ever fight oscar?

He hasn't, but it would be nice to see :)

BBFM

06-12-2005, 06:08 PM

if vargas out boxed and fought winky why couldent oscar?? winky isent any better than before he's the same figher her was 5 years ago.

Upper Cut

06-12-2005, 06:48 PM

IMO DLH should avoid:
1 - Wright
2 - Mosley (This one is just not meant to be)
3 - Hopkins (of course)

People to fight:
1 - Judah
2 - Trinidad
3 - Hatton???
4 - Strum (He should get himself in better shape than he was and redeem himself)
5 - Cotto (147)

BBFM

06-13-2005, 02:42 PM

dlh would own winky dumb asses.

jabsRstiff

06-13-2005, 03:32 PM

dlh would own winky dumb asses.

Oscar will NEVER fight Winky Wright....so don't even sweat it.

I personally think Oscar is retired. He's been out since September & there is ZERO talk of any fights on the horizon (unless I missed something).

Renegade

06-13-2005, 06:03 PM

Oscar will NEVER fight Winky Wright....so don't even sweat it.

I personally think Oscar is retired. He's been out since September & there is ZERO talk of any fights on the horizon (unless I missed something).
You missed something, DLH's scheduled to fight in Sept on a PPV with MAB. The real question is at what weight, you guys got him going up and down in weight like a yo-yo. IMO DLH NEVER fights at 147 again, too bad. He can't seem to handle 160, so by process of elimination... Mayorga would be a good fight for him, 'specially if Mayo brings a belt. But it obviously ain't gonna happen in Sept. I still see Santos as a good warmup, though it won't do much for his legacy, it should get him a win, which he needs REAL bad!

LuKahnLi

06-13-2005, 06:04 PM

Lets make it simple. Everybody above Jr. Middleweight, Oscar should avoid. And anyone named Mosely.

chito

06-13-2005, 08:24 PM

i will add cotto on your list of fighters to avoid.

czars_salad

06-13-2005, 08:26 PM

i will add cotto on your list of fighters to avoid.
me too, especially the guy is at the top of his game

DiegoFuego

06-14-2005, 03:47 AM

Tszyu knocks him out
Judah knocks him out
Cintron knocks him out
Margarito knocks him out
Mosley beats him again
Forrest beats him
Wright dominates him

I think De La Hoya is stuck myself. He can't go down to 147 and beat anyone and he's certainly not making it down to 140 again. I think he could beat Spinks, but Jesus Christ, Oscar was knocked out by a middleweight punch to the ELBOW. That's pathetic. I hope Oscar fights more and gets knocked out by any of the above