He had the guts to step up and fight a man who was physically stronger and bigger and who hadn't been beaten in 11 years. DLH deserves all the credit in the world, he fought like a man and didn't try and steal rounds. He just got beat by a bigger stronger guy.

Much respect to DLH.

He had the guts to step up and fight a man who was physically stronger and bigger and who hadn't been beaten in 11 years. DLH deserves all the credit in the world, he fought like a man and didn't try and steal rounds. He just got beat by a bigger stronger guy.

Much respect to DLH.

couldn't have said it better myself

Very true, no one can take anything away from him.

Delahoya has always been a warrior.

He had the guts to step up and fight a man who was physically stronger and bigger and who hadn't been beaten in 11 years. DLH deserves all the credit in the world, he fought like a man and didn't try and steal rounds. He just got beat by a bigger stronger guy.

Much respect to DLH. I agree with you

couldn't have said it better myself

Your avatar is awesome!

He had the guts to step up and fight a man who was physically stronger and bigger and who hadn't been beaten in 11 years. DLH deserves all the credit in the world, he fought like a man and didn't try and steal rounds. He just got beat by a bigger stronger guy.

Much respect to DLH.
I agree with you up to the "stronger" part.
Did you notice that when Hopkins hit DLH straight on that it didn't back up DLH or didn't seem to hurt him?
It only started to back him up a little near the end of the match.

I agree with you up to the "stronger" part.
Did you notice that when Hopkins hit DLH straight on that it didn't back up DLH or didn't seem to hurt him?
It only started to back him up a little near the end of the match.

DLH wasn't as strong as Hopkins,thats just a fact. If he had been it would have been a much more competitive fight.

DLH didn't have enough power on his punches to hurt b-hop.

DLH wasn't as strong as Hopkins,thats just a fact. If he had been it would have been a much more competitive fight.

DLH didn't have enough power on his punches to hurt b-hop.
I know DLH didn't bring his power to Middleweight, but from what I saw and heard of the match.
It seems like Hopkins didn't have any power either.
Everyone says that the punch that put out DLH looked weak.
I didn't see it, but from what everyone is saying, what Arum said, what Hopkins and DLH keep saying it seems very strange.
I don't trust this.

I know DLH didn't bring his power to Middleweight, but from what I saw and heard of the match.
It seems like Hopkins didn't have any power either.
Everyone says that the punch that put out DLH looked weak.
I didn't see it, but from what everyone is saying, what Arum said, what Hopkins and DLH keep saying it seems very strange.
I don't trust this.

You can't say anything, you haven't seen the fight. Hopkins hit him right on the money.

You actually tried to comment on a fight you did not see, WOW. Start talking when you actually watch the fight

You can't say anything, you haven't seen the fight. Hopkins hit him right on the money.

You actually tried to comment on a fight you did not see, WOW. Start talking when you actually watch the fight
Did you miss the part where I said I saw parts of the fight?
I'm commenting on what I have seen.
Since when were you not allowed to comment on the things you've actually seen?

Did you miss the part where I said I saw parts of the fight?
I'm commenting on what I have seen.
Since when were you not allowed to comment on the things you've actually seen?

Go back and read your posts. You said nothing about watching parts of the fight, beside how can you only watch parts of a fight. You didnt see the shot, so you can't comment. To do so would be stupid.

whats with u two?

Go back and read your posts. You said nothing about watching parts of the fight, beside how can you only watch parts of a fight. You didnt see the shot, so you can't comment. To do so would be stupid.
I said "saw and heard".
Should I always go into detail for you?

I said I didn't see the shot but I heard what others were saying about it along with the other things I mentioned.

Think of the old matches, the ones where no audio or video footage are available.
What do you think they went off of?
Word of mouth.
So were they stupid for that?

I'm waiting till they show this fight on HBO or someone makes it available for download.
Then I'll be able to really go in depth on my feelings about this match.

whats with u two?
lol Ask him.
I came here and said I agreed with him and was talking about the match then he tries to get into another thing with me.
I think he just loves me and is going about it in the kindergarden way. :p

I said "saw and heard".
Should I always go into detail for you?

I said I didn't see the shot but I heard what others were saying about it along with the other things I mentioned.

Think of the old matches, the ones where no audio or video footage are available.
What do you think they went off of?
Word of mouth.
So were they stupid for that?

I'm waiting till they show this fight on HBO or someone makes it available for download.
Then I'll be able to really go in depth on my feelings about this match.

You comment on what other people mentioned, give me a break. You didn't see the shot, bottom line. You probably didn't even see any parts of the fight.

You just can't comment on things you haven't seen, and if you think you can then your an idiot.

You comment on what other people mentioned, give me a break. You didn't see the shot, bottom line. You probably didn't even see any parts of the fight.

You just can't comment on things you haven't seen, and if you think you can then your an idiot.
I saw the highlights that ESPN showed.
Is that not seeing parts of the fight?

I saw the highlights that ESPN showed.
Is that not seeing parts of the fight?
that "Christ" byrd is buggin...hey buddy this is just a forum...RELAX! its not real life! just people shouting thier OPINIONS! let it be foo lol
peace

You really shouldn't comment on the fight going off of ESPN highlights, especially if you're trying to say that Hopkins wasn't the stronger man. Hopkins' punches were obviously harder than De La Hoya's.

Here's the KO: http://www.darthharlem.com/delahoyax.rm

Don't give me no **** about how the punch was weak unless you've been hit to the liver with a left hook you didn't see

You really shouldn't comment on the fight going off of ESPN highlights, especially if you're trying to say that Hopkins wasn't the stronger man. Hopkins' punches were obviously harder than De La Hoya's.

Here's the KO: http://www.darthharlem.com/delahoyax.rm

Don't give me no **** about how the punch was weak unless you've been hit to the liver with a left hook you didn't see
On the highlights they showed DLH getting hit in the face by Hopkins and not being affected by it.
DLH came closer and kept hitting.

Even the fight reports said that DLH didn't start backing up from Hopkins' punches until the last few rounds.

Do you have that file in another format?
Real media hardly ever works for me.

You really shouldn't comment on the fight going off of ESPN highlights, especially if you're trying to say that Hopkins wasn't the stronger man. Hopkins' punches were obviously harder than De La Hoya's.

Here's the KO: http://www.darthharlem.com/delahoyax.rm

Don't give me no **** about how the punch was weak unless you've been hit to the liver with a left hook you didn't see
PROPS ATMAN!
Thanx for not making me wait until next sat to see the replay sober lol.
DAMN! Did you hear DLH "grunt" after that punch? I think i did. That wasn't even a clean shot, but it probably caught DLH in between taking breaths or something cuz BOYYYYYYY he FELT it! lol krazy!

For all we know B-Hop was playing possom. Didn't show his power till later on in the fight. Made Oscar believe he can actually take Nard's fists before he unloads his power punches which he did in the 8th I think where he landed almost all of them. Oscar was stunned briefly on several occasions. You can see it clear. Just watch the fight before you comment.

For all we know B-Hop was playing possom. Didn't show his power till later on in the fight. Made Oscar believe he can actually take Nard's fists before he unloads his power punches which he did in the 8th I think where he landed almost all of them. Oscar was stunned briefly on several occasions. You can see it clear. Just watch the fight before you comment.
I said I saw parts of the fight and I was commenting on those parts since I saw them.

Some people are saying that the fight "maybe fixed" and I have to agree that the punch didn't seem to have much behind it , but also it's really not how hard the punch is sometimes it's about the placement and timing of the hit, anyway going back to the "fight fixing" scenario how does it play out in the future if that were the case?

On the highlights they showed DLH getting hit in the face by Hopkins and not being affected by it.
DLH came closer and kept hitting.

Even the fight reports said that DLH didn't start backing up from Hopkins' punches until the last few rounds.


Sure, DLH didn't back up until Hopkins got aggressive, but how does that equate to Hopkins not being the stronger man? The simple fact is, Hopkins started walking down De La Hoya in round 5 and eventually walked through him. Sounds like the stronger man to me.

Where does B-Hop go from here? to fight Tarver or Jones is suicide, but those are the 2 most marketable fights to take. lets hope he steps up like DLH did.

Ok I just watched that clip of the body punch.
How the hell can that put someone out?
It looked like Hopkins just went for a normal body punch and his wrist was a bit blocked by DLH and his glove tapped DLH's body.
DLH was still standing after that punch then a delay then he goes down.
Doesn't that seem strange?
Anyway, if this fight was fixed I am no longer a DLH fan.

Most likely Sturm then retirement.

Where does B-Hop go from here? to fight Tarver or Jones is suicide, but those are the 2 most marketable fights to take. lets hope he steps up like DLH did.
Probably go down in weight and beat up on the smaller opponents again.

Ok I just watched that clip of the body punch.
How the hell can that put someone out?
It looked like Hopkins just went for a normal body punch and his wrist was a bit blocked by DLH and his glove tapped DLH's body.
DLH was still standing after that punch then a delay then he goes down.
Doesn't that seem strange?
Anyway, if this fight was fixed I am no longer a DLH fan.

No, if you saw Dorin vs Gatti, Dorin didn't drop right away. After the punch, Gatti pulled away, Dorin tried to follow him then went down on his knees. There was a lag in between.

No, if you saw Dorin vs Gatti, Dorin didn't drop right away. After the punch, Gatti pulled away, Dorin tried to follow him then went down on his knees. There was a lag in between.
Yes but Gatti's punch was alot harder and more believable than Hopkins' punch.

yea Sturm seems like a pretty safe fight for B-hop, although I'd like to see taht krazy Nicaruguan Mayorga take a crack @ hopkins lol.

Gatti is known as a Puncher, with one punch KO power. Hopkins has never been known for that kind of power. The Punch that landed was soft. Oscar got scared, and found a way out.

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Gatti is known as a Puncher, with one punch KO power. Hopkins has never been known for that kind of power. The Punch that landed was soft. Oscar got scared, and found a way out.

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I have to agree with that. I just saw the fight.. and that punch was ok at best. There wasnt even full leverage on it like gatti against dorin.

Either Oscar quit or he was in horrible shape.

As an Example

Edwin Rosario was hit in the same spot as de La Hoya repeated amount of times by JC Chavez with full leverage and he didnt go down.

You people never cease to amaze me. The man hit Oscar with a lunging left hook he didn't see. Look at the clip I posted and you can clearly hear Oscar immediately grunt from the punch. Look at the replay from the clip and you can see that Oscar reacted instantly when he moved his arm down to where he got hit leaving him open for another little left hook to the head.

And the **** wasn't blocked at all, it was clean as hell.

You people never cease to amaze me. The man hit Oscar with a lunging left hook he didn't see. Look at the clip I posted and you can clearly hear Oscar immediately grunt from the punch. Look at the replay from the clip and you can see that Oscar reacted instantly when he moved his arm down to where he got hit leaving him open for another little left hook to the head.

And the **** wasn't blocked at all, it was clean as hell.

We are the only 2 people who know what were talking about on this thread, everybody is either blind or haven't seen the punch.

You people never cease to amaze me. The man hit Oscar with a lunging left hook he didn't see. Look at the clip I posted and you can clearly hear Oscar immediately grunt from the punch. Look at the replay from the clip and you can see that Oscar reacted instantly when he moved his arm down to where he got hit leaving him open for another little left hook to the head.

And the **** wasn't blocked at all, it was clean as hell.
How can you call that a clean shot?
In the slow motion replay you can see that his hand was blocked a bit.
It looked like the top part of his glove tapped DLH's body.
Like he was going for a normal body shot but didn't get it all the way.
There was a delay then DLH went down and started making all these gestures.

I think the ending was ****.

We are the only 2 people who know what were talking about on this thread, everybody is either blind or haven't seen the punch.
:rolleyes:
Seriously, shut the **** up with the constant "you're blind/they're blind/he must be blind" ****.
If anyone is blind it's got to be a Byrd fan with his tongue up Byrd's ass and can't go a day without praising the ****ty "boxer".

I think all that masturbating to Byrd's pictures has left you with vision problems.
You're supposed to aim the semen away from your face.

His glove clearly went past DLH's elbow and cleanly landed on his liver. I don't know what to tell you.. it wasn't blocked at all.

Did you not hear the grunt? Or did Oscar fake that too? Did you not see Oscar's arm IMMEDIATELY move down to protect the area Bernard hit? Or was that some quick acting by DLH?

BTW, Hopkins hurt Allen in their last fight with an identical punch. If you have a copy available, I'll tell you the exact time and round

His glove clearly went past DLH's elbow and cleanly landed on his liver. I don't know what to tell you.. it wasn't blocked at all.

Did you not hear the grunt? Or did Oscar fake that too? Did you not see Oscar's arm IMMEDIATELY move down to protect the area Bernard hit? Or was that some quick acting by DLH too?
You provided the clip, I watched and posted what I saw.
What else do you need?

:rolleyes:
Seriously, shut the **** up with the constant "you're blind/they're blind/he must be blind" ****.
If anyone is blind it's got to be a Byrd fan with his tongue up Byrd's ass and can't go a day without praising the ****ty "boxer".

I think all that masturbating to Byrd's pictures has left you with vision problems.
You're supposed to aim the semen away from your face.

I'am through arguing with you. You just wanna keep continuing it don't you? I well not resort to childish name calling, like you.I will not respond to any of your antagonizing posts again.

I'm officially extending the olive branch.

For you to answer my questions. Yes or no?

Nah man. It was a clean shot. It certainly didn't look hard, but I don't doubt the power. When he pounded Joppy silly, the punches also weren't jaw dropping impressive but teh effects were visible.

I'am through arguing with you. You just wanna keep continuing it don't you? I well not resort to childish name calling, like you.I will not respond to any of your antagonizing posts again.

I'm officially extending the olive branch.
Will you actually end this or will you continue it and say that I'm lying and that you never wanted to end it?

Will you actually end this or will you continue it and say that I'm lying and that you never wanted to end it?

Go back and read my post again. I'm ending it.

Nah man. It was a clean shot. It certainly didn't look hard, but I don't doubt the power. When he pounded Joppy silly, the punches also weren't jaw dropping impressive but teh effects were visible.
To me it didn't look like a clean shot.
I saw part of Hopkins' glove hit DLH then DLH stalled made a little grunt then finally went down and showed that he is a horrible actor.

For you to answer my questions. Yes or no?
What is your question?

To me it didn't look like a clean shot.
I saw part of Hopkins' glove hit DLH then DLH stalled made a little grunt then finally went down and showed that he is a horrible actor.

I also didn't see the partial block. It wasn't his fist more like the palm of the glove and it was a quick, short, hard slap/pound more than a punch.

1) If you heard DLH grunt immediately after he got. If so, whether you think he faked it or not

2) If you saw DLH immediately drop his arm to the area Hopkins hit him, leaving his head wide open. If so, explain why he would do that if the punch didn't hurt.

The identical punch he hurt Allen with happened at 1:05 remaining in the 9th round in their fight. If you have a copy, check it out.

1) If you heard DLH grunt immediately after he got. If so, whether you think he faked it or not

2) If you saw DLH immediately drop his arm to the area Hopkins hit him, leaving his head wide open. If so, explain why he would do that if the punch didn't hurt.

The identical punch he hurt Allen with happened at 1:05 remaining in the 9th round in their fight. If you have a copy, check it out.
I'll check the clip again then reply.

1) If you heard DLH grunt immediately after he got. If so, whether you think he faked it or not

2) If you saw DLH immediately drop his arm to the area Hopkins hit him, leaving his head wide open. If so, explain why he would do that if the punch didn't hurt.

The identical punch he hurt Allen with happened at 1:05 remaining in the 9th round in their fight. If you have a copy, check it out.
Ok I checked it out again.
From one angle it looked like it was blocked.
I didn't see the other angle where it showed that it wasn't.
It still looked like a weak punch and I did not hear Oscar grunt and I saw him kinda move his arm.

As I stated before, there was no reason for him to go down and stay down from that shot.

Ok I checked it out again.
From one angle it looked like it was blocked.
I didn't see the other angle where it showed that it wasn't.
It still looked like a weak punch and I did not hear Oscar grunt and I saw him kinda move his arm.

As I stated before, there was no reason for him to go down and stay down from that shot.

Man how would you know you weren't on the recieving end of that shot. I guess YOU would have stood up to it right :rolleyes:

Whether the punch looked impressive or not it, it shouldn't matter. I trully doubt that Oscar took a dive. The guy's been down before in the past and still got up...just not from this one.

Man how would you know you weren't on the recieving end of that shot. I guess YOU would have stood up to it right :rolleyes:

Whether the punch looked impressive or not it, it shouldn't matter. I trully doubt that Oscar took a dive. The guy's been down before in the past and still got up...just not from this one.
Atman said a similiar thing.
I'm not a professional boxer, Oscar is.
That slap/"punch" should not have taken out Oscar.

Ok I checked it out again.
From one angle it looked like it was blocked.
I didn't see the other angle where it showed that it wasn't.
It still looked like a weak punch and I did not hear Oscar grunt and I saw him kinda move his arm.

As I stated before, there was no reason for him to go down and stay down from that shot.

We're getting somewhere. Now explain what exactly made the punch 'weak'.

We're getting somewhere. Now explain what exactly made the punch 'weak'.
Everyone was saying that the punch was hard and perfect and accurate.
It didn't look hard, it wasn't impressive, and it looked more like a normal body punch that landed somewhere Hopkins' didn't expect it to.

So it was a 'normal' body punch that Oscar didn't see and landed in the perfect spot, no?

Dela Hoya, didn't have to take this fight, but did, he is a warrior, if he won, he would go down as a lgend, if he lost he would become just another victim of Bernard.

But hey, I have repect for delahoya he gave it a go.

No, I'm pretty sure that Hopkins was expecting to land that punch so I don't think this has any merit to turn into a "lucky punch" accusation. DLH was fixated on blocking that first punch and blocked his own vision leaving him open for the second. It seemed to me like Hopkins knew where he wanted that punch to land. And in terms of looking impressive, I've seen Foreman throw some knockout punches that looked weak as hell and still floor people.

I don't understand why this is even being debated. The man was getting overpowered and he didn't even have the power to hurt Hopkins. The man's rich, he has his own promotion business, he acts, he does a little bit of singing, he has a show, he's one of the most marketable men in America. WHAT could Hopkins, his camp, or HBO offer him to take a dive that would overshadow his name being in the books as one of the best that's done it? I really can't think of anything but maybe one of know something I don't, and I'm not bein sarcastic or nothin so don't take it that way. I just can't see why this is even debateable....

Oscar De La Hoya is great. He is a warrior.

No, I'm pretty sure that Hopkins was expecting to land that punch so I don't think this has any merit to turn into a "lucky punch" accusation. DLH was fixated on blocking that first punch and blocked his own vision leaving him open for the second. It seemed to me like Hopkins knew where he wanted that punch to land. And in terms of looking impressive, I've seen Foreman throw some knockout punches that looked weak as hell and still floor people.

I don't understand why this is even being debated. The man was getting overpowered and he didn't even have the power to hurt Hopkins. The man's rich, he has his own promotion business, he acts, he does a little bit of singing, he has a show, he's one of the most marketable men in America. WHAT could Hopkins, his camp, or HBO offer him to take a dive that would overshadow his name being in the books as one of the best that's done it? I really can't think of anything but maybe one of know something I don't, and I'm not bein sarcastic or nothin so don't take it that way. I just can't see why this is even debateable....

I think you nailed it riiight there. No motive.

I'm sure Dr. Cynical and them will cook one up though. Should be fun

I'm sure Dr. Cynical and them will cook one up though. Should be fun
lol Believe me, I'd rather have DLH lose cleanly than have it be because he was paid to take a fall.
I'd hate him if he was indeed paid for that.

That said I think Hopkins was pretty enjoyable after the match.
I think I'll be watching his interviews and press conferences from now on.

lol Believe me, I'd rather have DLH lose cleanly than have it be because he was paid to take a fall.
I'd hate him if he was indeed paid for that.

That said I think Hopkins was pretty enjoyable after the match.
I think I'll be watching his interviews and press conferences from now on.

How much money can could they have possibly offer him? The guy must be already wiping his ass with 100$ bills. On top of that, he was the underdog. So shouldn't it be Nard taking the dive?

I absolutely see no motive for Oscar to take a dive.

"I Can Only Amagin If De La Hoya Was A Natural Middle Wieght" He fought very good for the first 5 rounds. IMO he was ahead 4-1. Hopkins was just to stronge for him.

How much money can could they have possibly offer him? The guy must be already wiping his ass with 100$ bills. On top of that, he was the underdog. So shouldn't it be Nard taking the dive?

I absolutely see no motive for Oscar to take a dive.
DLH has lost before but Hopkins hasn't lost in 10 years.
Arum just gained Hopkins didn't he?
You heard what Arum said and how Hopkins and DLH all said the same **** over and over.
Plus, the shot didn't look that good no matter what was said.

Also, isn't the money always more in a rematch?
Especially when they just built up Hopkins and DLH more by giving Hopkins another win and DLH having his first ever knock out loss?

Would it help the discussion, guys, if I point out that there were two punches that preceded De la Hoya's hitting the canvass? The first was the punch to the liver (called "weak" by some); the second was a right to the face. When Hopkins dished out the second punch, he was cradling De la Hoya's head with his left hand. Having said that, I'd like to point out that when De la Hoya rolled over on the canvass, thus making his face open to a camera shot, he was grimacing in pain, his expression eloquently indicating that it was the liver shot that got him down; not the Hopkins facial. That's how I saw it. Were my eyes deceiving me?

Would it help the discussion, guys, if I point out that there were two punches that preceded De la Hoya's hitting the canvass? The first was the punch to the liver (called "weak" by some); the second was a right to the face. When Hopkins dished out the second punch, he was cradling De la Hoya's head with his left hand. Having said that, I'd like to point out that when De la Hoya rolled over on the canvass, thus making his face open to a camera shot, he was grimacing in pain, his expression eloquently indicating that it was the liver shot that got him down; not the Hopkins facial. That's how I saw it. Were my eyes deceiving me?
When you see Manny smiling, do you think he is really happy?

DLH is impressive - He took the UNdisputed middle champ 9 rounds, I thought he'd make it to 11 at leasy - but I'm knid of glad he didn't, he'd start looking like Joppy by then...

Why does everyone assume you have to be bribed to take a dive? Perhaps he just gave up and realized that a liver punch is the most "excusable" of all KO's. The punch looked weak to me and Oscar had PANIC in his eyes in the previous two corner breaks. You may also notice that Bernard really started to quietly goad him verbally and this may have caused Delahoya to start looking for a "HOLLYWOOD" way out.....

When you see Manny smiling, do you think he is really happy?He could be. Why not? And, re Oscar: am I to take it that he's so deep into masochism that whenever he grimaces in obvious pain, he is blissful?

That ending looked phony to me....plus the strange thing is watch Delahoya as he is walking out of the venue with a shirt on.......tell me what he does.

Oscar wanted a commission into the Mosley II decision and you reckon he pulled a work to get out of the fight?

I think all people who question the validity of the KO need a flush Liver shot so they can realise what it feels like...

Oscar wanted a commission into the Mosley II decision and you reckon he pulled a work to get out of the fight?

I think all people who question the validity of the KO need a flush Liver shot so they can realise what it feels like...
:) Exactly

I think all people who question the validity of the KO need a flush Liver shot so they can realise what it feels like...

Maybe they do need a flush liver shot but Delahoya certainly didn't know what one felt like from that fight...watch him walking out of the venue in his shirt.....he ****s up. He should change his name to "DelaHollywood".

That ending looked phony to me....plus the strange thing is watch Delahoya as he is walking out of the venue with a shirt on.......tell me what he does.
What did he do?

Somebody with the whole PPV recorded can tell you if they are observant and know their left from their right. It might be edited out from the re-broadcast. I shan't say another word.

Somebody with the whole PPV recorded can tell you if they are observant and know their left from their right. It might be edited out from the re-broadcast. I shan't say another word.
Oh come on.. Tell me.

Let's give the class a chance to answer.....

It was a 9 round fight - Do you think Hopkins only banged him in the body once?

Why does everyone assume you have to be bribed to take a dive? Perhaps he just gave up and realized that a liver punch is the most "excusable" of all KO's. The punch looked weak to me and Oscar had PANIC in his eyes in the previous two corner breaks. You may also notice that Bernard really started to quietly goad him verbally and this may have caused Delahoya to start looking for a "HOLLYWOOD" way out.....If he took a dive because he was convinced he had no way to win, that made him all the more a beaten man. If, yes, IF that is how it went, whoever would talk about THE De la Hoya HEART cannot be more than a dunce. :(

Delahoya was PANICKING...so cut the nut swabbing horse****! That fight sucked fat hairy balls....please don't try to egotistically "defend" your purchase of it by overvaluing it's realistic worth....hell I think it was a crock of ****e and I bet 2 dimes on Hopkins by KO.

whoever would talk about THE De la Hoya HEART cannot be more than a dunce.


Fear cuts both ways my friend....it will make a meek man a monster and a monster a meek man....sometimes it just gets over on you. Ya know what I am sayin'?

Delahoya was PANICKING...so cut the nut swabbing horse****! That fight sucked fat hairy balls....please don't try to egotistically "defend" your purchase of it by overvaluing it's realistic worth....hell I think it was a crock of ****e and I bet 2 dimes on Hopkins by KO.De la Hoya was panicking...he took the best way out he could think of at the moment... What do those make De la Hoya? The fight was nothing anyone would relish keeping in one's video lib... I couldn't agree with you more. So, why get all worked up?

Fear cuts both ways my friend....it will make a meek man a monster and a monster a meek man....sometimes it just gets over on you. Ya know what I am sayin'?Got your drift. But then, I was just asking a question. The last period should have been a question mark. Sorry, my fault.

DelaHollywood should be his new moniker....

:);) :D :cool:

Ok I just watched that clip of the body punch.
How the hell can that put someone out?
It looked like Hopkins just went for a normal body punch and his wrist was a bit blocked by DLH and his glove tapped DLH's body.
DLH was still standing after that punch then a delay then he goes down.
Doesn't that seem strange?
Anyway, if this fight was fixed I am no longer a DLH fan.

tha blow was cleaner then it looked he got him on tha button he got him in tha worse spot and he was prolly breathin in between but that was a clean blow

Beautiful guys! the people who dont believe DLH would take a dive to find an easy way out are the ones who believe Presidents are elected, not selected.

DLH is a disappointed. A sham and disgrace to all the true warriors who went out on their feet/backs.

Its all good tho baby...what goes around comes around.

-KARMA IS A BIATCH!

Let's give the class a chance to answer.....

Just tell us man.

ANYONE who is calling DLH out and questioning his heart has never been in a boxing ring and taken a body shot plain and simple.

He could be. Why not? And, re Oscar: am I to take it that he's so deep into masochism that whenever he grimaces in obvious pain, he is blissful?
The reason why I mentioned Manny's smile is this.
Although he is smiling, do you really think he's happy with the situation he's in?
I think DLH put on quite the performance when he was down.
He was obviously looking to be put into a movie with that performance.

tha blow was cleaner then it looked he got him on tha button he got him in tha worse spot and he was prolly breathin in between but that was a clean blow
It looked like that to you.
To me it did not look hard or clean or anything that would warrant DLH's knockdown or knockout.
And certainly not his overdramatic acting on the floor.

The reason why I mentioned Manny's smile is this.
Although he is smiling, do you really think he's happy with the situation he's in?
I think DLH put on quite the performance when he was down.
He was obviously looking to be put into a movie with that performance.Oh, Ok :) And that smiley's not Manny's either! Peace! :)

ANYONE who is calling DLH out and questioning his heart has never been in a boxing ring and taken a body shot plain and simple.
Yeah right what ever you say Jose......no one is questioning his heart....his check was signed and he reasoned that it wasn't going to happen. He was getting tired and decided he'd rather not risk getting his face mucked up. He needs to work on his acting though...rather pedestrian performance.

De La Hoya is a true Mexican Warrior

What warrior takes a dive?