View Full Version : In their prime Marvin Hagler v Bernard Hopkins


jimelmoljam
04-26-2006, 12:37 PM
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RAESAAD
04-26-2006, 12:43 PM
I could see Hagler stalking him for the whole night and maybe scoring some kind of stoppage late but I doubt it.Hopkins by UD is a more likely scenario.

Yaman
04-26-2006, 01:01 PM
Hopkins is no Leonard, and even he never managed to convincinly beat Hagler.

Hagler by UD.

King Koyle
04-26-2006, 01:06 PM
Hagler UD Hopkins

M26
04-26-2006, 01:09 PM
Bernard Hopkins was excellent in his prime, and would definitely present Marvelous Marvin Hagler with more than a decent challenge.

How ever, I can't envision Hopkins defeating Hagler, who would be all over him from the get go. I see Hagler winning by decision, in what would be a tough fight.

Marvelous Marvin Hagler by UD.

Jenks88
04-26-2006, 02:05 PM
Hopkins was great, but Hagler is just too much of a beast for him. I don't think Hopkins could put a dent in Halger's chin; Hagler would be all over Hopkins the whole fight. Hopkins was too good a defensive fighter to be knocked out, so I see Hagler winning a hard fought UD.

PS--Was Hagler ever even knocked down, or even hurt significantly throughout his career? I've only seen him against Leonard and Hearns; Leonard didn't hurt him once; the only time Hearns hurt him was in the first 10 seconds of the first round, and Hagler seemed to shake it right off. The man had an UNBELIEVABLE chin.

M26
04-26-2006, 06:45 PM
Hopkins was great, but Hagler is just too much of a beast for him. I don't think Hopkins could put a dent in Halger's chin; Hagler would be all over Hopkins the whole fight. Hopkins was too good a defensive fighter to be knocked out, so I see Hagler winning a hard fought UD.

PS--Was Hagler ever even knocked down, or even hurt significantly throughout his career? I've only seen him against Leonard and Hearns; Leonard didn't hurt him once; the only time Hearns hurt him was in the first 10 seconds of the first round, and Hagler seemed to shake it right off. The man had an UNBELIEVABLE chin.

Marvelous Marvin Hagler had one of the toughest chins of all time, thats for sure. He was down once, but from what I've heard, it was more of a push than a real knockdown.

Dempseyistheman
05-02-2006, 12:36 PM
Hagler UD but Hopkins could have some moments

Imira
05-03-2006, 05:43 PM
Marvelous Marvin Hagler had one of the toughest chins of all time, thats for sure. He was down once, but from what I've heard, it was more of a push than a real knockdown.

Round 1 against Juan Roldan. Roldan threw a wild left hook. Hagler ducked it and Roldan pulled his arm forward causing an off balance Hagler to hit the deck.

VERSATILE2K9
05-03-2006, 05:46 PM
that would be 1 boring fight i tell ya that

SABBATH
05-03-2006, 06:28 PM
Marvelous Marvin Hagler had one of the toughest chins of all time, thats for sure. He was down once, but from what I've heard, it was more of a push than a real knockdown.
Hagler was officially floored once in his career by Juan Roldan. The punch thrown was a looping shot that Hagler ducked under, it caught him in the back of the head/neck and Hagler's foot appeared to slip from under him. It definitely was not a legitimate knockdown in the sense that he was hurt. Hagler was pissed that it was ruled a knockdown.

If you've seen Hagler-Hearns or Hagler-Mugabi and you feel that Hagler was ever hurt in those fights then that's as good as it gets. One of the true iron chins in middleweight division history.

BrooklynBomber
05-03-2006, 11:08 PM
that would be 1 boring fight i tell ya that
I second that.
I dont think that crafty bastard would let Hagler get on a medium distance but Hagler himself was one skilled SOB in his prime.
I say its a decision, and a very close one. Dont know which side though.

wmute
05-03-2006, 11:18 PM
early hagler, the longest night ever for hopkins... great jab, sweet counterpunching, great infighting, southpaw who can actually switch + moves fast around the ring (if there was ever a mw who could stop hopkins it was not a big puncher... it was hagler)

late hagler, being that hopkins is one of the smartest fighters I have ever seen, while the hagler that fought mugabi and leonard sure as hell was not. In that case Hopkins might have a chance.

oldgringo
05-04-2006, 12:29 AM
early hagler, the longest night ever for hopkins... great jab, sweet counterpunching, great infighting, southpaw who can actually switch + moves fast around the ring (if there was ever a mw who could stop hopkins it was not a big puncher... it was hagler)

late hagler, being that hopkins is one of the smartest fighters I have ever seen, while the hagler that fought mugabi and leonard sure as hell was not. In that case Hopkins might have a chance.


I don't see Hagler stopping him.

Hopkins biggest weapon would be his very quick, very sharp right hand lead. It was a mastered punch at his peak, being that Hagler is a southpaw, it would most likely be effective.

I think there would only be so long to Hopkins could keep Marvins pressure off of him...and he'd be hit more and more at the end of the fight. Hopkins had a very good chin, and Hagler was never a devastating puncher, although he was a good puncher overall.

wmute
05-04-2006, 04:28 AM
I don't see Hagler stopping him.

Hopkins biggest weapon would be his very quick, very sharp right hand lead. It was a mastered punch at his peak, being that Hagler is a southpaw, it would most likely be effective.

I think there would only be so long to Hopkins could keep Marvins pressure off of him...and he'd be hit more and more at the end of the fight. Hopkins had a very good chin, and Hagler was never a devastating puncher, although he was a good puncher overall.

I see what you mean, and in fact I am definitely not sure (I would have picked hagler UD) the one handed (as far as real power goes) Hagler could stop Hop.

What I was trying to say is that I think it's impossible to stop hop with a single big punch: he is way too crafty (and with too good a chin) for that. But a fighter like hagler who can counterpunch you and/or pressure you all night (for 15 rounds), without even feeling your punches can put anyone in trouble, even if he does not punch as hard as gerald mclellan.

Hector_pickle
05-04-2006, 09:34 AM
I'm thinking a better match-up would of been Hagler vs Monzon

SABBATH
05-04-2006, 09:48 AM
Not really a great match-up from an excitement point of view. Both guys are primarily counter-punchers. Skilled boxers like Leonard and Duran made Hagler lead and were able to effectively counter Hagler who did not have the greatest handspeed.

Hagler looked great against guys like Hamsho I&II, Antueffermo II and Sibson, because they came straight at Hagler. Forget the Hearns fight. Hagler didn't usually fight that way. He had to swarm Hearns. It was his only chance against a guy that had an edge in handspeed, reach, height and power. Hagler banked on his chin holding up to Hearns power better than Hearns chin holding up to his own power and he was right.

Having said that, I would favour Hagler over Hopkins in a chess match. Hagler fighting southpaw would be the busier fighter on the way to a decision win.

oldgringo
05-04-2006, 01:54 PM
Not really a great match-up from an excitement point of view. Both guys are primarily counter-punchers. Skilled boxers like Leonard and Duran made Hagler lead and were able to effectively counter Hagler who did not have the greatest handspeed.

Hagler looked great against guys like Hamsho I&II, Antueffermo II and Sibson, because they came straight at Hagler. Forget the Hearns fight. Hagler didn't usually fight that way. He had to swarm Hearns. It was his only chance against a guy that had an edge in handspeed, reach, height and power. Hagler banked on his chin holding up to Hearns power better than Hearns chin holding up to his own power and he was right.

Having said that, I would favour Hagler over Hopkins in a chess match. Hagler fighting southpaw would be the busier fighter on the way to a decision win.


Most of those fights you mentioned came after Hagler had slowed down some though. The Hagler who dismantled Cyclone Hart, Bad Briscoe, and Fully Obelmeijas was a different Hagler than the one who fought Duran, Hearns and Mugabi. At those later stages of his career he banked on his chin and iron will to win him fights. In that first Antuofermo fight (bad decision) it was still the complete Hagler who could lead or counter with the best of em. Hagler started to slow down and change in '83. I think Hearns knew he had to go in there and jump on Hagler much the same as Hagler thought....well...if you believe the story about Tommy knowing that his legs were spent and all.

hummer3
05-18-2006, 09:17 PM
hagler will make hopkins shit out his pants.hagler wins by brutal knock out

Hydro
06-27-2006, 07:27 PM
hagler would win in a drinking contest or whining contest, or car-destroying contest.

in the ring, the toothless wonder wins.

jack_the_rippuh
06-27-2006, 07:55 PM
I think Bernard Hopkins would beat him by decision.
Just as OldGringo said, the lead right is Hopkins' best punch and Sugar Ray Leonard said that was the punch Marvelous Marvin was most vulnerable to.
Another thing I'd like to point out is that Hagler had no power in his left hand.

BigSlick
06-29-2006, 01:20 AM
I really think that B-Hop's beautiful footwork takes away Haglers right hand and makes this fight extremely boring. We would see Hagler chase B-Hop all night and won't see much in terms of action. I can see this fight escalade into a DQ.

Dempsey 1919
06-29-2006, 03:51 AM
Hagler wins.

hellfire508
06-29-2006, 05:13 AM
Hopkins is no Leonard, and even he never managed to convincinly beat Hagler.

Hagler by UD.

Hagler wasn't prime vs. Leonard. Hagler would win, but it would be tough nonetheless.

Dynamite76
07-01-2006, 10:31 AM
Marvin would beat Bernard in a good, tough fight.Most likely, it would be by UD, but he may could stop Bernard late.