In the 70's, it's called the GREAT WHITE HOPE. I think so far Vitaly Klitschko has got what it takes to be the greatest white heavyweight boxer of all time. (Do we consider John Ruiz, who has been a title-holder for sometime now, a "white"?)
A number of white sluggers in the past also comes to mind. They provided life, excitement and top-caliber challenges in the black-dominated heavyweight division.

Rocky Marciano
Joe Bugner
Tommy Morrison
Gerry Cooney
Duane Bobick
Henry Cooper
Jerry Quarry
George Chuvalo
Gerrie Coetzee
Chuck Wepner (who inspired the first Rocky movie)
Randy "Tex" Cobb
James "Bonecrusher" Smith
to name a few.

Who's the greatest white HW boxer of all time for you?

thats easy vitali klitscko

In the 70's, it's called the GREAT WHITE HOPE. I think so far Wlad Klitschko has got what it takes to be the greatest white heavyweight boxer of all time. (Do we consider John Ruiz, who has been a title-holder for sometime now, a "white"?)
A number of white sluggers in the past also comes to mind. They provided life, excitement and top-caliber challenges in the black-dominated heavyweight division.

Joe Bugner
Tommy Morrison
Gerry Cooney
Duane Bobick
Henry Cooper
Jerry Quarry
George Chuvalo
Gerrie Coetzee
Chuck Wepner (who inspired the first Rocky movie)
Randy "Tex" Cobb
James "Bonecrusher" Smith
to name a few.

Who's the greatest white HW boxer of all time for you?


Ruiz is actually is Latino.

My pick is The Rock, one of the greatest fighters of all time. Rocky knew his flaws and knew he was vulnerable and worked against the flaws to make him better.

Rocky Marciano.James "Bonecrusher" Smith is black.

Can't be much debate there. Though John L Sullivan achieved a lot but you can't really compare him I don't think.

Butterbean?

Rocky Marciano, fool!

Heres the greatest Rocky Marciano 49-0
http://www.rockymarciano.com/images/hp1.gif

Ruiz is actually is Latino.

Do you mean that there are no white latinos? Ruiz is not White cuz he is Latino but Vitali is?

Gerry Cooney was a fighter with great potential, who lost the desire after losing to Larry Holmes, a true underachiever. Quarry was a very talented fighter who never seemed to train himself into top physical condition, which played a big part in his failure to ever become Champ, along with his tendency to cut. Max Baer and Ingamar Johannson were both pretty good fighters who were both Champs at one point in their careers, along with Schmeling. And of course, the rock tops them all lol.

In the 70's, it's called the GREAT WHITE HOPE. I think so far Wlad Klitschko has got what it takes to be the greatest white heavyweight boxer of all time. (Do we consider John Ruiz, who has been a title-holder for sometime now, a "white"?)
A number of white sluggers in the past also comes to mind. They provided life, excitement and top-caliber challenges in the black-dominated heavyweight division.

Joe Bugner
Tommy Morrison
Gerry Cooney
Duane Bobick
Henry Cooper
Jerry Quarry
George Chuvalo
Gerrie Coetzee
Chuck Wepner (who inspired the first Rocky movie)
Randy "Tex" Cobb
James "Bonecrusher" Smith
to name a few.

Who's the greatest white HW boxer of all time for you?

Can't believe you even posted this thread, especially with the names listed.

ROCKY MARCIANO. And by a very long way.

VK will never even come close. :cool:

Can't believe you even posted this thread, especially with the names listed.

ROCKY MARCIANO. And by a very long way.

VK will never even come close. :cool:

Fine with me!

I'm not sure Wepner and Cobb are the best choices to represent caucasian fighters lol

rocky man... he stayed undefeated.... no one else ever did that in the heavy weight division...

In the 70's, it's called the GREAT WHITE HOPE. I think so far Wlad Klitschko has got what it takes to be the greatest white heavyweight boxer of all time. (Do we consider John Ruiz, who has been a title-holder for sometime now, a "white"?)
A number of white sluggers in the past also comes to mind. They provided life, excitement and top-caliber challenges in the black-dominated heavyweight division.

Joe Bugner
Tommy Morrison
Gerry Cooney
Duane Bobick
Henry Cooper
Jerry Quarry
George Chuvalo
Gerrie Coetzee
Chuck Wepner (who inspired the first Rocky movie)
Randy "Tex" Cobb
James "Bonecrusher" Smith
to name a few.

Who's the greatest white HW boxer of all time for you?


Ruiz is LATINO. Hence the last name RUIZ.

I'm still in shock that he pick "Wladimir" Klitschko as the best white heavyweight ever. Even Vitali would have shocked me but Dempsey and Marciano blow both Klitschkos away by thousands of miles. Forget that they are even white, they are regarded as two of the best heavyweights ever to step foot in the ring.

easy marciano. wasn't bonecrusher a brotha?

Rocky Marciano!!!!!!

In the 70's, it's called the GREAT WHITE HOPE. I think so far Wlad Klitschko has got what it takes to be the greatest white heavyweight boxer of all time. (Do we consider John Ruiz, who has been a title-holder for sometime now, a "white"?)
A number of white sluggers in the past also comes to mind. They provided life, excitement and top-caliber challenges in the black-dominated heavyweight division.

Joe Bugner
Tommy Morrison
Gerry Cooney
Duane Bobick
Henry Cooper
Jerry Quarry
George Chuvalo
Gerrie Coetzee
Chuck Wepner (who inspired the first Rocky movie)
Randy "Tex" Cobb
James "Bonecrusher" Smith
to name a few.

Who's the greatest white HW boxer of all time for you?


I'd have to say Rocky Marciano even though he's not on your list. Also Bonecrusher Smith is black.

i thought he was a brotha, thanks for clarifying

Gotta go with the rock on this one.

Marciano. Easily. I really like Klitschko as well though. He needs to prove himself a bit though before he really enters into greatness.

Cmon man! You all forgot about Boone Kirkman!

I still can't believe that Joe Louis only fought three or four white fighters during his reign. Something I didn't know. Maybe Joe is a little over rated.

Did someone forget
Rocky Marciano!!!!!!

No, i just mentioned him.

There's no argument here at all. Marciano by a mile. He was one of the best eva, not just white. Thread officially closed!

Without doubt the greatest white heavyweight boxer of all time is Rocky "The Brockton BlockBuster" Marciano.

Rocky Balboa

... hands down ...

Rocky Balboa

... hands down ...

:D Rocky 3 was on last night, he beat Hulk Hogan up and then Mr T :eek: He was good

Heres the greatest Rocky Marciano 49-0
http://www.rockymarciano.com/images/hp1.gif



.....Yeah, I don't think there is any debate about it really.

Like everyone else has already said it is deffinitly Rocky Marciano. But what about Jim Jeffries? One of the first great heavyweights or how about Gene Tunney?

Rocky Marciano is it!!!

Like everyone else has already said it is deffinitly Rocky Marciano. But what about Jim Jeffries? One of the first great heavyweights or how about Gene Tunney?


Tunney is an overrated HEAVYWEIGHT. He doesn't have that great a resume at heavy.
But, he's a great fighter in the lb4lb. sense.

Its obviously the brain damaged Baby Joe Mesi.

:D Rocky 3 was on last night, he beat Hulk Hogan up and then Mr T :eek: He was good

he even went all the way to Russia just to train in the tundra!

marciano has be up there, demspey too ( tho i dont rate him that highly in the top ten all time stakes).

honourable mentions Max schmeling and Tunney

I'm still in shock that he pick "Wladimir" Klitschko as the best white heavyweight ever. Even Vitali would have shocked me but Dempsey and Marciano blow both Klitschkos away by thousands of miles. Forget that they are even white, they are regarded as two of the best heavyweights ever to step foot in the ring.


Haven't actually saw Marciano and Dempsey fight, even from old footages. And I won't know how they would have fared with the next generations of white heavyweights. The earliest I saw was Chuvalo, then Bugner and so on.

But I agree that their records, as really impressive and unsurpassed to this day as they are, speak for themselves. Yes, they could be the greatest white HW's of all time!

Jack dempsey, Rocky marciano, Vitale

Vladamir Klitschko HAHAHAHAHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He got knocked out by Lamon Brewster HAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHHAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Imagine would Rocky Marciano would do to him!


#1 best heavyweight of all time


ROCKY "The Brockton Blockbuster" MARCIANO!!!!!


Jack Dempsey and Gerry Cooney should be ranked high to

Who ever doesnt think Marciano is the best,
disserves to get his ball cut off
so he cannot contaminate the rest of the planet

Vladamir Klitschko HAHAHAHAHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He got knocked out by Lamon Brewster HAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHHAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ha-ha-ha!! That should have been VITALY! But I had a bigger laugh than you!!! Ha-ha-ha!!! :D

Easily Marciano, I would have liked to have seen what Golota's career could have been like if he wasn't crazier than a ****house rat though.

The greatest white heavy was Marciano! But I would not get mad at anyone who claimed Dempsey or Tunney either... :)

marciano was the greatest white heavy of all time. not the greatest boxer, he was however as strong as a bull. 49 and 0 don't lie.

MARCIANO MARCIANO MARCIANO.

who else???

he inst just the greatest white ever he is top 3 greatest ever.

Honourable mention schmelling, dempsey, tunny

Klitchko sucks man how many real battles has he been in? The only true heavyweight fighters out there now well actually there arent any good ones, unless you think of byrd (ahhhhahahah) and Toney or friggan Ruiz ahahahhhahahaa. Come on greatest white heavy weight is Rocky Marciano hands down!

It's either James Jeffries, Jack Dempsey or Rocky Marciano...and contrary to what most in this thread believe, arguments can be made supporting any of those three fighters.

thats easy vitali klitscko

What a dumb **** you are...


Either Dempsey or Marciano

i think rocky M is disgustingly overrated

Klitchko sucks man how many real battles has he been in? The only true heavyweight fighters out there now well actually there arent any good ones, unless you think of byrd (ahhhhahahah) and Toney or friggan Ruiz ahahahhhahahaa. Come on greatest white heavy weight is Rocky Marciano hands down!
Idiot, Can you STOP Posting to Last Years News?

Rocky Marciano. End of thread. :cool:

It's either James Jeffries, Jack Dempsey or Rocky Marciano...and contrary to what most in this thread believe, arguments can be made supporting any of those three fighters.

exactly. beautifully f-++-n' exposed

Without A Doubt Butterbean, Yea Right! Rocky Marciano Is The Best White Heavyweight Ever, Current Vitali Klitschko

IMO, it's Rocky Marciano with Jack Dempsey running a close second. The Klits aren't even in their league. Dempsey would murder VK like he did Jess Willard and Marciano would just suzy-q his ass into oblivion.

Marciano, Dempsey - Cooper was underated, he had Ali down and out but for the 'glove'

Rocky The Brockton Blockbuster Marciano.

stupid question

In the 70's, it's called the GREAT WHITE HOPE. I think so far Vitaly Klitschko has got what it takes to be the greatest white heavyweight boxer of all time. (Do we consider John Ruiz, who has been a title-holder for sometime now, a "white"?)
A number of white sluggers in the past also comes to mind. They provided life, excitement and top-caliber challenges in the black-dominated heavyweight division.

Rocky Marciano
Joe Bugner
Tommy Morrison
Gerry Cooney
Duane Bobick
Henry Cooper
Jerry Quarry
George Chuvalo
Gerrie Coetzee
Chuck Wepner (who inspired the first Rocky movie)
Randy "Tex" Cobb
James "Bonecrusher" Smith
to name a few.

Who's the greatest white HW boxer of all time for you?

How can you not have Dempsey? Dempsey would have a better chance of fighting in todays era then any of the guys from the past. Also James J Corbett deserves some respect. He was small for a heavyweight when he fought but he really did teach the division how to box and as a lightheavy he would be an all time great. I think Vitali Klitschko could beat Marciano's ass, but Marciano would KO Dempsey. Marciano, Dempsey and Klitshco are close. What Klitshco does in the next five years could put him at the top or barely top ten.

Marciano, no question. anybody who says different is an idiot.

Rocky Marciano is the greatest white boxer of all time & is one of the top 5 heavyweights of all time. 49-0 43 ko's.

Dempsey first and Marciano second.

Frans Botha.

For me its a toss up between Marciano and Dempsey. You mayb have to go with Marciano due to his umblemished record.

Marciano!!

Rocky Marciano.

Vitali could have been a really great champ but as it stands he accomplished absolutely nothing. When your best wins are Corrie Sanders and Danny Williams, you've got problems.

im watchin tyson vs.bonecrusher smith right now and uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh,he doesnt look white:ugh:

Rocky Marciano
followed by Dempsey, Tunney, Baer, and Jeffries.

Everybody is going to say Marciano or somebody else. Truth is their so many white Champions and many more that we don't know or hardly hear about. But i'd be interested to see what Bert Sugar had to say.

I havne't read this thread but i wonder if somone has even mentioned John L. Sullivan, not that i know so much about him but enough that he is considered a great fighter.

not in any order
Jeffries
Dempsey
Marciano
Corbett
Choyskie
sullvian
Baer
Smchling
Burns
Tunny
Willard if you watch the Johnson fight and not Dempsey

Gerry Cooney was a fighter with great potential, who lost the desire after losing to Larry Holmes, a true underachiever. Quarry was a very talented fighter who never seemed to train himself into top physical condition, which played a big part in his failure to ever become Champ, along with his tendency to cut. Max Baer and Ingamar Johannson were both pretty good fighters who were both Champs at one point in their careers, along with Schmeling. And of course, the rock tops them all lol.


I grew up watching Gerry Cooney knock out his opponents with his trademark devastating left hook to the liver. If you have a video of the Ron Lyle bout, you know what I'm talking about. He's big, powerful and seemed to be a low-profile, humble person. The media drew parallels with him and Rocky Balboa, the Rocky movies was the 'in' thing in Hollywood back then. Cooney even used the Rocky movie soundtrack as his ring entrance towards the Larry Holmes fight. Larry spoiled the party and shattered what became infamously known as The Great White Hype!

Jerry Quarry was good, but Joe Frazier was simply too strong and Muhammad Ali was simply much, much better...he was in the wrong generation.


Rocky Marciano is the greatest white heavyweight boxer IMO.

the Rock..... 49-0

the Rock..... 49-0



Plain and simple.

of all time its probably demspey

It's Jack Dempsey. Best honky heavyweight ever.

Jack Dempsey and Rocky Marciano are the two greatest white heavyweights ever. No-one comes close to them.

Modern era....Gene Tunney....or Dempsey.

marciano
dempsey
tunney

rocky marcianao or jack dempsey or gene tunney

although i put the rock top of the pile

:D Rocky 3 was on last night, he beat Hulk Hogan up and then Mr T :eek: He was good


Thats what legends do. Who else could work over Mr.T and the Hulkster in 2 hours. He's on a comeback we'll see him fight in December. He's a legend but he better watch out because he is fighting the legend killer. LOL Hey hey Rocco

It's Jack Dempsey. Best honky heavyweight ever.

Whats with the racial bull****. Don't come on this site if you have problems with other races. How can you truly be a fan and be a racist.

Whats with the racial bull****. Don't come on this site if you have problems with other races. How can you truly be a fan and be a racist.



personally i don't care about all the racist comment directed against white people they cna call me honky or cracker all they want

personally i don't care about all the racist comment directed against white people they cna call me honky or cracker all they want


Hell, I'm a honky, cracker, whitebread, pasty-person, whatever.

It's been a long time since I've been called some racial insult as an insult....elementary school, I think.


Sides, I don't think the person meant any harm in calling Dempsey a "honky-heavyweight".......no more than the peron who started the thread meant any racial overtones by posing the question. I think he was just trying to be funny. I chuckled.

Whats with the racial bull****. Don't come on this site if you have problems with other races. How can you truly be a fan and be a racist.

reported for accusations of racism.

you're in trouble now mother****er.

Italians were treated as if they were negroes at one time so Im going to exclude them from the discussion.

I'm also going to exclude everyone who fought before the Joe Louis era because the Boxing was wild and all those fighters would lose if they fought today including Jack Johnson.

Which leaves James Braddock and Tommy Morrison.

Braddocks record was spotty at best so Tommy Morrison is the greatest white Heavy.

hahahahaha

The Rock #1
Dempsey #2

Why is everyone saying Marciano? Other than his perfect record I don't see how you can say that he was the greatest white heavyweight. Jack Dempsey was the greatest. He had the most killer instint of probably any boxer in history. He also had more 1st round knockouts than any belt holder of any weight class in boxing history. He was the pioneer of the bob-and-weave and did it to perfection. In the Caucasian race, Jack Dempsey is in a class by himself. There's Jack Dempsey, and then there's the top ten.

http://poorwilliam.net/pix/dempsey-jack.jpg

Why is everyone saying Marciano? Other than his perfect record I don't see how you can say that he was the greatest white heavyweight. Jack Dempsey was the greatest. He had the most killer instint of probably any boxer in history. He also had more 1st round knockouts than any belt holder of any weight class in boxing history. He was the pioneer of the bob-and-weave and did it to perfection. In the Caucasian race, Jack Dempsey is in a class by himself. There's Jack Dempsey, and then there's the top ten.

http://poorwilliam.net/pix/dempsey-jack.jpg

hey butterfly.






































































shut up:tapedshut

I'm still in shock that he pick "Wladimir" Klitschko as the best white heavyweight ever. Even Vitali would have shocked me but Dempsey and Marciano blow both Klitschkos away by thousands of miles. Forget that they are even white, they are regarded as two of the best heavyweights ever to step foot in the ring.

Such a blatant nuthugging makes me sick.

I'm still in shock that he pick "Wladimir" Klitschko as the best white heavyweight ever. Even Vitali would have shocked me but Dempsey and Marciano blow both Klitschkos away by thousands of miles. Forget that they are even white, they are regarded as two of the best heavyweights ever to step foot in the ring.

The problem is, could Marciano take Wlad's punch?


I vote for Dempsey...I think he would beat the Rock, prime vs prime.

Gotta go with the rock on this one.

Marciano. Easily. I really like Klitschko as well though. He needs to prove himself a bit though before he really enters into greatness.

Did someone forget
Rocky Marciano!!!!!!

There's no argument here at all. Marciano by a mile. He was one of the best eva, not just white. Thread officially closed!

Without doubt the greatest white heavyweight boxer of all time is Rocky "The Brockton BlockBuster" Marciano.

Need I show more proof that Rocky Marciano is extremely overrated?:nonono:

Need I show more proof that Rocky Marciano is extremely overrated?:nonono:


need i search all over boxing scene to find proof of your overwhelming bias against marciano?

marciano was a great boxer i think the oucome of a fight between him and wlad will be decided by hoe wlad takes body shots

need i search all over boxing scene to find proof of your overwhelming bias against marciano?

marciano was a great boxer i think the oucome of a fight between him and wlad will be decided by hoe wlad takes body shots

I'm not talking about Wlad, I'm talking about Dempsey.:rolleyes:

In the 70's, it's called the GREAT WHITE HOPE. I think so far Vitaly Klitschko has got what it takes to be the greatest white heavyweight boxer of all time. (Do we consider John Ruiz, who has been a title-holder for sometime now, a "white"?)
A number of white sluggers in the past also comes to mind. They provided life, excitement and top-caliber challenges in the black-dominated heavyweight division.

Rocky Marciano
Joe Bugner
Tommy Morrison
Gerry Cooney
Duane Bobick
Henry Cooper
Jerry Quarry
George Chuvalo
Gerrie Coetzee
Chuck Wepner (who inspired the first Rocky movie)
Randy "Tex" Cobb
James "Bonecrusher" Smith
to name a few.

Who's the greatest white HW boxer of all time for you?



marciano and dempsey obviously

Need I show more proof that Rocky Marciano is extremely overrated?:nonono:



you can say and state and print anything you want son, it doesnt matter cause the fact is that Rocky Marciano never lost a fight, no matter how jealous you are you can't change the facts chief. mul

Need I show more proof that Rocky Marciano is extremely overrated?:nonono:

shut up butterfly:boxing: :banana:

ahahahaha, how the hell do say James "Bonecrusher" SMith is one of the best WHITE heavys...

http://www.braggingrightscorner.com/bonecrusher.bmp


ahahahaha

I think Marciano would probably be considered the best of the white heavys though.

I think Marciano would probably be considered the best of the white heavys though.

Jack Dempsey ko4 Rocky Marciano

I'd say Dempsey was the best white heavyweight, he was a champ both in and out of the ring and carried the sport into a modern era, as well as kicking ass in the ring!

He's followed by the likes of Marciano, VK, Quarry, Bugner, Cooney, Cooper etc.

Jack Dempsey ko4 Rocky Marciano

If this fight ever happened, I doubt that the Manassa mauler would KO Rocky. His chin was made out of cast iron.

I feel it would be stopped on cuts in the later rounds, with Dempsey winning, or Dempsey would win by UD.

If this fight ever happened, I doubt that the Manassa mauler would KO Rocky. His chin was made out of cast iron.

Marciano had a solid chin, but was it ever tested against a real puncher?

Marciano had a solid chin, but was it ever tested against a real puncher?

nope the stories of marcianos chin are slightly over the top

id say shavers and forweman would have hurt him and dempsey too

Definetly Marciano!There's only a few heavyweights(black or white) that I would rank above him.Those HW's being Ali,Louis,Johnson,& possibly Foreman.

If this fight ever happened, I doubt that the Manassa mauler would KO Rocky. His chin was made out of cast iron.

I feel it would be stopped on cuts in the later rounds, with Dempsey winning, or Dempsey would win by UD.

Dempsey was a fast starter. Marciano a notoriously slow starter, plus he was rocked and dropped by Walcott and Moore, that equates to Dempsey jumpimg all over him early in the fight and getting the job done quick.

Marciano had a solid chin, but was it ever tested against a real puncher?

He never really fought any outstanding punchers, but Louis still had a lot of sting in his punches and Jersey Joe wasn't exactly featherfisted. He tended to get himself into a lot of wars too, and survived them all. But it could be said that it was his heart and courage pulling him through then and not his chin. It's all down to opinion and 'what if's' to be honest.

Definetly Marciano!The only heavyweights I rank above him are Louis,Ali,Johnson,and possibly Foreman.

Dempsey was better. He was faster. He was a better puncher. He was more smooth in his movement. He could get in and out of range in a hurry. He had a long reach to keep opponents away. He had a better defense, and he had a better killer instinct.

He never really fought any outstanding punchers, but Louis still had a lot of sting in his punches and Jersey Joe wasn't exactly featherfisted. He tended to get himself into a lot of wars too, and survived them all. But it could be said that it was his heart and courage pulling him through then and not his chin. It's all down to opinion and 'what if's' to be honest.

Marciano didn't fight antybody that took his opponents out as quickly as dempsey did. Actually, I can't think of anyone besides Tyson who could knock his opponents out quicker than Jack Dempsey did. Marciano's plan was to weather the storm and go to the later rounds because of his superior stamina. Louis wasn't someone who went after his opponent and tried to take them out early. Walcott is an overrated puncher and his power is not in the class of Dempsey by any means. Marciano is very vulnerable in the early rounds, and that's when Dempsey is the most dangerous. Dempsey would really put a hurt on Marciano.

Dempsey in 4.

Dempsey was better. He was faster. He was a better puncher. He was more smooth in his movement. He could get in and out of range in a hurry. He had a long reach to keep opponents away. He had a better defense, and he had a better killer instinct.

That's your opinion.Although I agree with most of it except for the killer instinct part.None the less I still rank Marciano over Dempsey whether or not Jack was more skilled.If I was ranking purely on skill than Marciano would not be near the top of my list.His heart,chin,power,and yes killer instinct was what made him great.

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Greatest perfromance by a white champ?

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Greatest perfromance by a white champ?

I would say so. That would make the top 5 of any champ regardless of color!

Paulie Malignaggi.

That's your opinion.Although I agree with most of it except for the killer instinct part.None the less I still rank Marciano over Dempsey whether or not Jack was more skilled.If I was ranking purely on skill than Marciano would not be near the top of my list.His heart,chin,power,and yes killer instinct was what made him great.

Dempsey has more of a killer instinct, and the films show it. Dempsey has more first round knockouts of any champion in any weight class in the history of boxing. How many first round ko's does marciano have? Dempsey would stand over opponents and hammer away not caring anything about his opponent. I've never seen Marciano look that ferocious in any of his fights.

Dempsey > Marciano > The rest of the white heavyweights.

Haha, I shut this thread down!!!!!:cop:

Dempsey has more of a killer instinct, and the films show it. Dempsey has more first round knockouts of any champion in any weight class in the history of boxing. How many first round ko's does marciano have? Dempsey would stand over opponents and hammer away not caring anything about his opponent. I've never seen Marciano look that ferocious in any of his fights.

Dempsey > Marciano > The rest of the white heavyweights.

Marciano was nothing but killer instinct!Every punch was meant to knock your head off.Ask any of his opponents.So what if Dempsey had more first round knockouts?As you've already stated, Marciano is a slow starter.And Dempsey had more technigue behind his punches.This doesn't prove anything to me.

Haha, I shut this thread down!!!!!:cop:

How so?Is your opinion automatically the right one?

Dempsey has more of a killer instinct, and the films show it. Dempsey has more first round knockouts of any champion in any weight class in the history of boxing. How many first round ko's does marciano have? Dempsey would stand over opponents and hammer away not caring anything about his opponent. I've never seen Marciano look that ferocious in any of his fights.

Dempsey > Marciano > The rest of the white heavyweights.

BTW though,Dempsey also had thirty more fights.

Benny Leonard................Rockin':boxing:

Benny Leonard................Rockin':boxing:

what a great heavyweight he was... :ugh:

OOOPS!, missed the heavyweight part. Benny was a lightweight............Rockin':boxing:

i don't usually agree with butterfly when we talk about white heavyweights but hes right on the button

dempsey had more killer instinct than marciano infactthe only boxer who may have had more killer instinct was mike tyson.

marciano fought at a far more measured pace much like frazier this meant he had fewer first round knockouts but he had the highest KO percentage of any heavyweight champ


dempsey is the best (i can't believe the fisrt few pages went without a mention!) marciano is second then you have bonavena quarry gene tunney tommy morrison may deserve a mention too

marciano fought at a far more measured pace much like frazier this meant he had fewer first round knockouts but he had the highest KO percentage of any heavyweight champ

Vitali Klit has a higher one.

I've got Marciano and then Dempsey for me but am currently too lazy to post more reasons.

i don't usually agree with butterfly when we talk about white heavyweights but hes right on the button

dempsey had more killer instinct than marciano infactthe only boxer who may have had more killer instinct was mike tyson.

marciano fought at a far more measured pace much like frazier this meant he had fewer first round knockouts but he had the highest KO percentage of any heavyweight champ


dempsey is the best (i can't believe the fisrt few pages went without a mention!) marciano is second then you have bonavena quarry gene tunney tommy morrison may deserve a mention too

The only reason one would have to rank Marciano above Dempsey is because he retired undefeated. Other than that, there nothing you can say about Rocky that Dempsey wasn't better at.

Gene Tunney was interviewed once and tunney said that when he fought Dempsey, he had the feeling that Dempsey wanted to kill him, and he never felt that way against any other opponent according to Tunney.

3 fighters

Rocky Marciano
Gene Tunney
Jack Dempsey

Gerry Cooney was a fighter with great potential, who lost the desire after losing to Larry Holmes, a true underachiever. Quarry was a very talented fighter who never seemed to train himself into top physical condition, which played a big part in his failure to ever become Champ, along with his tendency to cut. Max Baer and Ingamar Johannson were both pretty good fighters who were both Champs at one point in their careers, along with Schmeling. And of course, the rock tops them all lol.


Nice. I couldn't have said it better myself, I agree completely.

Here's a picture of Dempsey Sparring with Bill Tate. As you can see, even his facial expression shows that he was a crazed maniac in the ring, and that he had pure killer instinct.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/IrishInsomniac00/Jack%20Dempsey/55Dec.jpg

However, Marciano against Roland LaStarza has a serious look, but it doesn't look half as mean as Dempsey's expression.
http://www.ilguerriero.it/pugilato/images/marciano/marcia4.jpg





So as you can see, Dempsey is the more ferocious fighter, since Marciano just wants to knock you out, while Dempsey wants to kill you!

Enough said.:boxing:

i don't usually agree with butterfly when we talk about white heavyweights but hes right on the button

dempsey had more killer instinct than marciano infactthe only boxer who may have had more killer instinct was mike tyson.

marciano fought at a far more measured pace much like frazier this meant he had fewer first round knockouts but he had the highest KO percentage of any heavyweight champ


dempsey is the best (i can't believe the fisrt few pages went without a mention!) marciano is second then you have bonavena quarry gene tunney tommy morrison may deserve a mention too

I like your list but I don't know if Bonavena is white being an Argentine. Maybe I don't know. Ringo Bonavena was tough but partied too much out of the ring and was shot to death after he retired.

Rocky Marciano is the greatest white fighter of all time, followed closely by Benny Leonard.

Weren't we talking about "Heavyweights" ?

because if it is open to all weight classes, P4P, Marciano is not the best, especially when you compare his resume with others.

Gene Tunney was interviewed once and tunney said that when he fought Dempsey, he had the feeling that Dempsey wanted to kill him, and he never felt that way against any other opponent according to Tunney.

Well Tunney was lucky he fought a Dempsey that wasn't in his prime.

Well Tunney was lucky he fought a Dempsey that wasn't in his prime.

Dempsey was inactive for 3 years I believe. That's Dempsey's fault though, he openly avoided many challengers.

Whether his fault or not, he was not a prime Dempsey when he fought Tunney.

Dempsey was inactive for 3 years I believe. That's Dempsey's fault though, he openly avoided many challengers.

Agree, it is his fault, but if you had to choose from getting beaver from Hollywood actresses, making a lot of money doing promotional work, etc. or boxing, which would you pick?

Here's a picture of Dempsey Sparring with Bill Tate. As you can see, even his facial expression shows that he was a crazed maniac in the ring, and that he had pure killer instinct.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/IrishInsomniac00/Jack%20Dempsey/55Dec.jpg

However, Marciano against Roland LaStarza has a serious look, but it doesn't look half as mean as Dempsey's expression.
http://www.ilguerriero.it/pugilato/images/marciano/marcia4.jpg





So as you can see, Dempsey is the more ferocious fighter, since Marciano just wants to knock you out, while Dempsey wants to kill you!

Enough said.:boxing:

I gotta tell ya,im still not convinced because of facial expressions in a couple of pictures:boxing:

Agree, it is his fault, but if you had to choose from getting beaver from Hollywood actresses, making a lot of money doing promotional work, etc. or boxing, which would you pick?

Smoking weed.

Here's a picture of Dempsey Sparring with Bill Tate. As you can see, even his facial expression shows that he was a crazed maniac in the ring, and that he had pure killer instinct.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/IrishInsomniac00/Jack%20Dempsey/55Dec.jpg

However, Marciano against Roland LaStarza has a serious look, but it doesn't look half as mean as Dempsey's expression.
http://www.ilguerriero.it/pugilato/images/marciano/marcia4.jpg





So as you can see, Dempsey is the more ferocious fighter, since Marciano just wants to knock you out, while Dempsey wants to kill you!

Enough said.:boxing:

Why butterfly....I didn't know you were a student of human psychology.

However, concerning their personality and intent, I agree with you. Very nice.

Why butterfly....I didn't know you were a student of human psychology.

However, concerning their personality and intent, I agree with you. Very nice.

Dempsey had this sort of vendetta and inability to cope with the changing ways of the bourgeois 1920's post war America that made him as sort of an animal. He was mean, he was morally corrupt, and he was a genuinely vicious guy.

Marciano wasn't an angry man, he was as happy go lucky as they come. Marciano had a positive disposition as a man, he didn't want to kill people like Dempsey. Good **** Butterfly.

I gotta tell ya,im still not convinced because of facial expressions in a couple of pictures:boxing:

Plus if you look closely, Marciano is in the act of throwing a punch, and he still doesn't look mean, and usually fighter squint their faces as a reflex when throwing a punch. But Dempsey is looking mean just standing there without throwing punches. Imagine if Marciano was not throwing a punch or Dempsey was throwing a punch. Sorry mass Pride, but Dempsey is more vicious.

Dempsey had this sort of vendetta and inability to cope with the changing ways of the bourgeois 1920's post war America that made him as sort of an animal. He was mean, he was morally corrupt, and he was a genuinely vicious guy.

WTF? This is the furthest thing from the truth. Dempsey was actually far more dapper and successful in blending in with upper class society than Marciano ever was. Dempsey had friends in the entertainment industry, athletes, other fighters, and even intellectuals and writers. If Dempsey were "an animal" or "morally corrupt" he would not have such friends. He would also not have turned down Al Capone's offer to fix the 2nd Tunney fight like he did. Dempsey was disliked early on because he was considered a draft dodger but he was known to be very charismatic and likeable in the mid and late 1920's. The women especially lusted after Dempsey. Why do you think he was a movie and serial star? The men wanted to be him and the women just plain wanted him. Marciano never enjoyed such popularity.

As for who was more vicious, I would say they were cut from the same cloth. Hardworking gentlemen outside of the ring, but brutal and lethal inside.

Some of you guys have no clue about these men, in the ring or out.

WTF? This is the furthest thing from the truth. Dempsey was actually far more dapper and successful in blending in with upper class society than Marciano ever was. Dempsey had friends in the entertainment industry, athletes, other fighters, and even intellectuals and writers. If Dempsey were "an animal" or "morally corrupt" he would not have such friends. He would also not have turned down Al Capone's offer to fix the 2nd Tunney fight like he did. Dempsey was disliked early on because he was considered a draft dodger but he was known to be very charismatic and likeable in the mid and late 1920's. The women especially lusted after Dempsey. Why do you think he was a movie and serial star? The men wanted to be him and the women just plain wanted him. Marciano never enjoyed such popularity.

As for who was more vicious, I would say they were cut from the same cloth. Hardworking gentlemen outside of the ring, but brutal and lethal inside.

Some of you guys have no clue about these men, in the ring or out.

Great post. Dempsey was a real gentleman outside the ring, and one of the three most popular boxers of all-time(Ali and Tyson). Good k coming.

As for who was more vicious, I would say they were cut from the same cloth. Hardworking gentlemen outside of the ring, but brutal and lethal inside.

I don't know. Marciano would knock out his opponents in minutes. Dempsey would do it in seconds! I would say Dempsey is more vicious.

.....When it's all said and done, Wlad will go down as the best. Once he unifies and rules for 5-6 years nobody will be able to deny him his place. At least I hope that's how it goes down. :)

.....When it's all said and done, Wlad will go down as the best. Once he unifies and rules for 5-6 years nobody will be able to deny him his place. At least I hope that's how it goes down. :)

Nah, I ve seen him fight, and I still would say that Dempsey would chop him down. Dempsey has better handspeed, power and chin, plus he was an extremely fast starter.

Jack Dempsey ko5 Wladimir Klitchko.

Nah, I ve seen him fight, and I still would say that Dempsey would chop him down. Dempsey has better handspeed, power and chin, plus he was an extremely fast starter.

Jack Dempsey ko5 Wladimir Klitchko.



...Ask Chris Byrd and Calvin Brock how fast Wlad's hands are??

Wlad has quick hands for his size but Dempsey's were a blur when he threw that straight right. Wlad does not have the capabilities to fight inside, while Dempsey was king there. Wlad has great power and accuracy, and so did Dempsey. Wlad's chin is suspect (but underrated) while Dempsey was incredible durable and was difficult to hit in the chin to begin with.

Dempsey would have no problem with Wlad and I am a huge Wlad fan. It'd be like a Tyson vs. Wlad fight except Dempsey was a much better inside fighter than Tyson, was quicker on his feet, had a longer reach and a straighter, better right hand, and had more heart.

Now Marciano, I see Wlad having a chance with. Dempsey? No way in hell.

Plus if you look closely, Marciano is in the act of throwing a punch, and he still doesn't look mean, and usually fighter squint their faces as a reflex when throwing a punch. But Dempsey is looking mean just standing there without throwing punches. Imagine if Marciano was not throwing a punch or Dempsey was throwing a punch. Sorry mass Pride, but Dempsey is more vicious.

I can respect your opinion Butterfly,but that's exactly what it is,an opinion.Same as me!Were not dealing with facts here.You can say Dempsey is more vicious in the ring all you want,but it really doesn't make it a fact!

...Ask Chris Byrd and Calvin Brock how fast Wlad's hands are??

sorry, melissa's lil bro, but dempsey was a harder puncher than calvin brock or chris byrd ever dreamed of being. dempsey destroyed jess willard, he broke his jaw, cheekbone, busted his eardrum, in the first round.

if dempsey fought wlad, it would be a terrible beatdown, dempsey could throw as many punches as a welterweight. wlad couldn't handle being swarmed like that

Plus if you look closely, Marciano is in the act of throwing a punch, and he still doesn't look mean, and usually fighter squint their faces as a reflex when throwing a punch. But Dempsey is looking mean just standing there without throwing punches. Imagine if Marciano was not throwing a punch or Dempsey was throwing a punch. Sorry mass Pride, but Dempsey is more vicious.

Both men had bad intentions in the ring,which had worse is purely speculation.I'll leave at that!

sorry, melissa's lil bro, but dempsey was a harder puncher than calvin brock or chris byrd ever dreamed of being. dempsey destroyed jess willard, he broke his jaw, cheekbone, busted his eardrum, in the first round.

if dempsey fought wlad, it would be a terrible beatdown, dempsey could throw as many punches as a welterweight. wlad couldn't handle being swarmed like that



...Yeah, I was more ****ing around a bit with the whole Whole Wlad thing, as the smilie was present.

...Yeah, I was more ****ing around a bit with the whole Whole Wlad thing, as the smilie was present.

sorry dude, i was drooling over the pic of your wife and didn't notice the smile, i was busy looking at debbi's smile...does she still have that mole on her inner thigh? it looks and tastes just like chocolate

sorry dude, i was drooling over the pic of your wife and didn't notice the smile, i was busy looking at debbi's smile...does she still have that mole on her inner thigh? it looks and tastes just like chocolate


.....lol lol Yeah, she still has it. I thought you licked it clean off the last time you came to town, but you did leave a little.

I don't know. Marciano would knock out his opponents in minutes. Dempsey would do it in seconds! I would say Dempsey is more vicious.

Compare Marciano's upbringing, and early lifestyle as a fighter, than look at Dempsey's, now tell me who was the "Hungrier" fighter.

Even in a "poor" Italian family, it can be great.

Lets just say Dempsey wasn't walking around under 200lbs because he wanted to, at least not early on.

Agreed. Dempsey had it as rough as any fighter who ever lived. Riding the rails at the age of 14 and fending off hobos with buttsex on the mind would make a tough guy out of anyone. Dempsey survived that nightmare and ended up becoming one of the greatest heavyweights of all time. Killer instinct, heart, and nerves of steel. Dempsey had all of the psychological advantages to make up for his lack of weight.

if dempsey fought wlad, it would be a terrible beatdown, dempsey could throw as many punches as a welterweight. wlad couldn't handle being swarmed like that

And you can count the fighters that could handle a prime Dempsey on your fingers.

1) Gene Tunney, although some would point out that he was not a heavyweight for much of his career
2) Rocky Marciano
3) Jack Dempsey

I think by the end of his career, Wladimir has a chance of establishing himself as one of the best heavyweights ever, but he has to fight often enough and continue winning decisively for several more years. If Vitali had started younger and had remained healthy, he probably would have become an ATG. There are currently some fine young heavyweights in eastern Europe, some may become ATGs, who knows.

vitaly klitchko.....no doubt....he is huge, has skills, fights tall and has power ..i doubt marciano could have handled him,....anyways marciano is italian(non anglo)..dude had dark eyes hair and skin...most people at that time in the beginning thought he was cuban,,,,if you can pass as hispanic you shouldn't be placed in the anglo category...

Jack Dempsey!

If we are talking matchups then I would take Vitali over all of them. Accomplishment wise its Marciano.

marciano by far...

marciano was italian, not white, and yes there is a diffrence. look at julio cesar chavez, his skin was white, but he is 100% mexican.

marciano and dempsey

Rocky Marciano, Jack Dempsey, and Gene Tunney are in the running...

I have to go with Marciano though.

rocky man... he stayed undefeated.... no one else ever did that in the heavy weight division...


Rocky hand picked his fighters. He beat up on bums. He fought an old joe lewis. So ofcourse u'll be undefeated if u beat up on bums. Sorry to say I see VK as best white heavy weight ever. He would destry marciano. But best heavy weight ofcourse would say ali.

The Rock is the best but Wlad will soon take over. I believe Wlad will clean out the devision before his time is done and he'll not only go down in hystory as the best white HW, but as one of the best heavyweights of all time.

what the **** does the colour of your skin have to do with anything???? so what if your white, black or yellow. Does it matter? we are all human!

The rock without a doubt.

what the **** does the colour of your skin have to do with anything???? so what if your white, black or yellow. Does it matter? we are all human!
for the first time... you made sense.... :boxing:

btw... Rocky Marciano

Rocky Marciano was Italian American but that is still white. You don't have to be of anglo-saxon heritage to be considered white.

Rocky Marciano was Italian American but that is still white. You don't have to be of anglo-saxon heritage to be considered white.

bull****, ask any italian, mexican, puerto rican that's skin is very light if they consider themselves white, they will all say no. i myself am mexican with light skin and i consider my self brown to the bone.

Rocky hand picked his fighters. He beat up on bums. He fought an old joe lewis. So ofcourse u'll be undefeated if u beat up on bums. Sorry to say I see VK as best white heavy weight ever. He would destry marciano. But best heavy weight ofcourse would say ali.
Rocky never hand picked his opponents. Back in those days you fought mandatories once you were champ. He fought all the best at that time - do some research before making posts!

alot of people will say rocky because of his record, imo wlad and vitali would destory pretty much everyone on that list, rocky was lucky that he could make a name off of faded fighters but put him in the ring with guys today and he will get murdered,

cant knock the rock for what he accomplished but highly overrated in terms of who he can beat

dempsey! in his prime he was almost unstoppable

bull****, ask any italian, mexican, puerto rican that's skin is very light if they consider themselves white, they will all say no. i myself am mexican with light skin and i consider my self brown to the bone.

Most Mexicans and Puerto Ricans are considered hispanic. Italians are not.

In the 70's, it's called the GREAT WHITE HOPE.
James "Bonecrusher" Smith
to name a few.

Bonecrusher wanst white.

bull****, ask any italian, mexican, puerto rican that's skin is very light if they consider themselves white, they will all say no. i myself am mexican with light skin and i consider my self brown to the bone.

I've never heard of Italians not being white.

Rocky Marciano easily as of now. Wlad or Vilati would have to get all the belts unified and be considered undisputed as well before I consider them the greatest white heavyweight

In the 70's, it's called the GREAT WHITE HOPE. I think so far Vitaly Klitschko has got what it takes to be the greatest white heavyweight boxer of all time. (Do we consider John Ruiz, who has been a title-holder for sometime now, a "white"?)
A number of white sluggers in the past also comes to mind. They provided life, excitement and top-caliber challenges in the black-dominated heavyweight division.

Rocky Marciano
Joe Bugner
Tommy Morrison
Gerry Cooney
Duane Bobick
Henry Cooper
Jerry Quarry
George Chuvalo
Gerrie Coetzee
Chuck Wepner (who inspired the first Rocky movie)
Randy "Tex" Cobb
James "Bonecrusher" Smith
to name a few.

Who's the greatest white HW boxer of all time for you?

Its a split for me. It's hard to decide between Gerry Cooney and Rocky Marciano.

Rocky never hand picked his opponents. Back in those days you fought mandatories once you were champ. He fought all the best at that time - do some research before making posts!

he only defended the title 6 times

tex cobb, for what he did to earnie shavers :boxing:

Bonecrusher wanst white.

he was only a white man in his fight with tyson,,, lol

Ruiz is LATINO. Hence the last name RUIZ.

Lets face u americans are a bit ignorant. Latino nothing have to do with race but with the language talked in south and central america. Spanish and portuguese (both come from the same heritage LATIN). The people of south and central america countries are most of them a mixture of the ancient indians and europeans that colonized it. So all i wanna say to finnish my cultural statement is that Latin isnt a race. There are 5 latin countries in Europe: Portugal, Spain, Italy, France and Romania. Speaking 5 diferent languages, all came from the ancient LATIN. Then Portuguese and Spanish colonized central and south america. So they speak a LATIN language. Understand it?

Rocky Marciano.




I always wondered whether latino's were white or not.

It's Jack Dempsey people come on!!!

American Heavyweight Champion of the World Rocky Marciano is the only Heavyweight Champion of the World never to be beaten.

EVER.

That must put him in contention for this title.

Lets face u americans are a bit ignorant. Latino nothing have to do with race but with the language talked in south and central america. Spanish and portuguese (both come from the same heritage LATIN). The people of south and central america countries are most of them a mixture of the ancient indians and europeans that colonized it. So all i wanna say to finnish my cultural statement is that Latin isnt a race. There are 5 latin countries in Europe: Portugal, Spain, Italy, France and Romania. Speaking 5 diferent languages, all came from the ancient LATIN. Then Portuguese and Spanish colonized central and south america. So they speak a LATIN language. Understand it?


Very good post.

Sadly some people are ignorant.

People from Spain (a random example is the Liverpool FC soccer player Fernando Torres) http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q=fernando+torres&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi are not the same race as people from Mexico.

Hundreds of years ago the Spanish colonised Mexico and then mixed with the indigenous population.

Most Mexicans today are a mixture and so they are not White, but Spanish people like Fernando Torres are White.

The Rock Hands down greatest ever

It's Jack Dempsey people come on!!!


What makes you so certain, sir?

I am just curious.

rocky...hes the greatest heavyweight periodddddddddddd

john l sullivan

1. jack dempsey 2. rocky marciano

tye fields
vinny maddalone
eric esch

Some very good shouts, there.

Rocky...









Balboa, eat it *****es

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Wcwalp0TRfc

If u guess this movie the quotes from, u get good karma from me. Jewish guy "he beat joe louis..." Black barber "joe louis was gaddamn 100 yrs old!"

John L. Sullivan
Rocky Marciano
Jack Dempsey

Dempsey. Mike Tyson's hero.

No Doubt

http://www.freewebs.com/gulfcoastboxing/images/423lafayette/3829.jpg

Its going to be Wladimir Klitschko.

The greatest heavyweight of all time, black or white, is Rocky Marciano.

The greatest light heavyweight is Gene Tunney.

People say Joe Louis was an old man when Rocky defeated him.

But Joe Louis was three years younger when Rocky beat him, than Oleg Maskaev was when Peter defeated him!

Joe Louis was the same age when he fought Rocky Marciano, age 36, as Joe Calzaghe will be on Sunday! Here yesterday, someone called Joe Calzaghe a "young" fighter.

Schmeling was older when he lost his rematch to Louis, than Louis was when Rocky KOed him.

Rocky Marciano by a long long long shot.

People say Joe Louis was an old man when Rocky defeated him.

But Joe Louis was three years younger when Rocky beat him, than Oleg Maskaev was when Peter defeated him!

Joe Louis was the same age when he fought Rocky Marciano, age 36, as Joe Calzaghe will be on Sunday! Here yesterday, someone called Joe Calzaghe a "young" fighter.

Schmeling was older when he lost his rematch to Louis, then Louis was when Rocky KOed him.

Oleg Maskaev, Joe Calzaghe, even Max Schmeling didn't fight 75 professinal fights at the time, get real. Plus Joe was only fighting for the money, he knew he was shot.

Still, Muhammad Ali slightly edges out Louis as the greatest heavyweight of all time

In the 70's, it's called the GREAT WHITE HOPE. I think so far Vitaly Klitschko has got what it takes to be the greatest white heavyweight boxer of all time. (Do we consider John Ruiz, who has been a title-holder for sometime now, a "white"?)
A number of white sluggers in the past also comes to mind. They provided life, excitement and top-caliber challenges in the black-dominated heavyweight division.

Rocky Marciano
Joe Bugner
Tommy Morrison
Gerry Cooney
Duane Bobick
Henry Cooper
Jerry Quarry
George Chuvalo
Gerrie Coetzee
Chuck Wepner (who inspired the first Rocky movie)
Randy "Tex" Cobb
James "Bonecrusher" Smith
to name a few.

Who's the greatest white HW boxer of all time for you?

Bonecrusher Smith was black.

Between James J. Jeffries and Rocky Marciano.

Oleg Maskaev, Joe Calzaghe, even Max Schmeling didn't fight 75 professinal fights at the time, get real. Plus Joe was only fighting for the money, he knew he was shot.

Still, Muhammad Ali slightly edges out Louis as the greatest heavyweight of all time
Rocky Marciano was definitely better than Ali. Rocky never lost, Ali lost five fights (and really lost a few more, he was given some gift decisions!).

Rocky Marciano was definitely better than Ali. Rocky never lost, Ali lost five fights (and really lost a few more, he was given some gift decisions!).

Fighters shouldn't be ranked by how many fights lost. Ray Robinson lost 19 fights. Rocky could've arguably lost to La Starza the first time they fought and was getting soundly beaten by Jersy Joe until he landed the Suzie Q.

Fighters shouldn't be ranked by how many fights lost. Ray Robinson lost 19 fights. Rocky could've arguably lost to La Starza the first time they fought and was getting soundly beaten by Jersy Joe until he landed the Suzie Q.
But that's part of what made Marciano special, the Suzie Q!

Ali couldn't do that against Norton or the others when he was losing. If Marciano had the more limited power of Ali, he might have lost that Jersey Joe fight!

But that's part of what made Marciano special, the Suzie Q!

Ali couldn't do that against Norton or the others when he was losing. If Marciano had the more limited power of Ali, he would have lost that fight!

Marciano did have great heart and a great chin and was smart enough to realize he was slipping a bit when he retired.

Ali was past his prime by the time he came back from his exile but still had enough to beat the top heavyweights of the time, which made him great, especially considering that the heavyweight division at that time is considered the best in history.

Don't get me wrong, Marciano was great but Ali was better IMO.

Ali was only 29 when he came back from his "exile". Joe Louis and Gene Tunney had many months of inactivity when they went overseas to war, but they never used it as an excuse when they returned. When Ali fought Liston, there wasn't a lot of heavyweight talent, but by the late 60s, there were several top heavyweights. He lost because Frazier was better than Liston, and because Norton was better than Patterson, not because of the months of inactivity.

Vitali Klitschko has been inactive now longer than Ali was, and hasn't been able to spar for much of that time due to injuries. He'll be eight years older than Ali was (37 not 29) when he returns.

Ali was only 29 when he came back from his "exile". Joe Louis and Gene Tunney had many months of inactivity when they went overseas to war, but they never used it as an excuse when they returned. When Ali fought Liston, there wasn't a lot of heavyweight talent, but by the late 60s, there were several top heavyweights. He lost because Frazier was better than Liston, and because Norton was better than Patterson, not because of the months of inactivity.

Vitali Klitschko has been inactive now longer than Ali was, and hasn't been able to spar for much of that time due to injuries. He'll be eight years older than Ali was (37 not 29) when he returns.

He had to be very active because of his style, it was clear that his speed and reflexes weren't the same anymore when he came back, that made his accomplishments after his comeback even greater IMO.

At the time that Ali fought them, you're right, Norton was more in his prime that Patterson and Frazier was definitely more in his prime than Liston was.

Norton's style would always give a fighter like Ali problems, look at what he did with Holmes.

Ali took the fight with Frazier only 4 months after his fight with Bonavena, according to Dr. Pacheco, the body shots that Bonavena and Quarry gave him 2 months before hadn't healed fully by the time of the fight but I'm not making excuses for Ali, he lost to Frazier fair and square.

Its going to be Wladimir Klitschko.


On what do you base this prediction?

Rocky Marciano.

Rocky Marciano is the greatest white heavyweight of all time, Jack Dempsey is the runner up.

With that being said, today's great white heavyweights like The Klitschko's would demolish Marciano and Dempsey IMO...The Klitschko brothers are too big,strong,skilled and are capable of beating any heavyweight in history, black or white.

Rocky Marciano is the greatest white heavyweight of all time, Jack Dempsey is the runner up.

With that being said, today's great white heavyweights like The Klitschko's would demolish Marciano and Dempsey...The Klitschko brothers are too big and strong and are capable of beating any heavyweight in history, black or white.
they are capable, however they also showed that they're capable of loosing as well. not hating just a fact.

and i do agree that both klitschkos acould beat marciano and dempsey and handfull of other good fighters. but that's only speculation, at one point people said that tyson was capable of beating any heavyweight in history. despite how his career had turned out, i still maintain that tyson had the potential of beating them all on his best night. that can be said of any fighter.

but it can also be said, that for every fighter out there, there's another fighter waiting to beat him. that's history of boxing evolution, and it cant be changed.

Rocky Marciano is the only Heavyweight Champion of the World, in the entire history of the sport, who is unbeaten.

Therefore, he must certainly be near the top.

i think rocky M is disgustingly overrated

I think your mother was over-rated.

I would say Ivan Drago is the best white heavyweight of all times, this guy hit that thingee with something like 2000 pounds pressure, that is more than the aVERAGE heavyweight (700) and your typical pit bull`s bite (900).

Rocky Marciano is the GOAT at HW, regardless of race. Why are we ranking fighters based on their skin color?

The Klitschko brothers are too big,strong,skilled and are capable of beating any heavyweight in history, black or white.

Ross Purrity! Chris Byrd!

I'm really astonished to find out that I was fool enough to read the whole 23 pages of uninformed opinions. I was hoping to read some common sense and boxing expertise. There were a few, about a SINGLE HANDFUL.

Folks, don't you guys realise that Rocky Marciano was about the worst Heavyweight Champion in history. He never fought a SINGLE opponent who was in his prime or even CLOSE to it.

Folks,.....do me a favour. LOOK UP Marciano's OPPONENTS, and see how battle and age worn, poor records, and just qualifying as opponents they all were. LOOK AT THEIR "RECORDS", which taking everything into consideration, and understanding what's actually there, should convince you that they were almost all, set-ups and negative-record "fighters".

Consider that ALSO boxing was run by The Mafia, fighters, trainers, promoters etc.etc. This should tell you everything about that period.

I've seen every notable fighter since Joe Louis, and i can honestly say that none of them would be able to defeat either of the Klitschkos. They are just too skilled, to big, too fast and too powerful. They are ALWAYS in top shape, and win every round. This can fool the fringe boxing crowd (most of us) into thinkng that they are not "exciting" or that their opponents are "poor" or etc.etc. The fact is that they are so superior to their opposition. no matter who. The only Champions about whom this could have been said in the past are Jack Johnson, Joe Louis, Tyson and Ali, in their primes and a bit afterwards.

Dempsey was mostly retired and chasing sex with Hollywood actresses during most of his Championship tenure. He was actually retired BEFORE he faced Tunney. BUT......he was far far bettetr than Marciano, but still just too small to get near the Klitsckos. Jess Willard was a well washed up fighter, never very good and semi retired when Dempsey beat him, and there are well substantiated reports that Dempsey's gloves were "loaded" a la Margarito.

When Willard " beat " Jack Johnson, Johnson was 37, VERY out of condition, and although much lighter and 6 inches smaller, STILL....won nearly every one of the first TWENTY FIVE rounds, only to go down exhausted in the
26 th. One has to consider EVERYTHING when judging the merits or otherwise of an important fight.

Vitaly Klitschko is virtually unbeaten, the point IS....... just look at how he wins. He has won almost (except for say 4-5 rounds TOTAL) EVERY ROUND of EVERY FIGHT he's had, even the 2 that went against him due to injuries.

Only a SINGLE fighter-near his own height, and a European Champ- went the distance with him, and as usual, lost EVERY round.

The same can be said for his brother Wladimir, whos 3 losses are as tainted as possible, and, except for the Sanders fight, he ALSO has won justy about every round in his over 50 fights including Brewster and Purrity, which fights went against him.

So guys, you just have to understand that today's fighters are far more gifted both physically and skill-wise. I except from this lot only Jack Johnson and Mike Tyson, who, in my opinion, had the all round skills to beat just about anyone in their prime.

But we're talking only of white fighters, and AGAIN, I place Marciano at the very bottom of the "heap".

I go with Rocky Marciano.

Rocky Marciano was probably the best white heavyweight ever.

Jack Dempsey and Jim Jeffries were very good too.

I'd add Gene "The Fighting Marine" Tunney, but he spent most of his career at light heavyweight, where he was definitely the best ever of any race.

Youre forgetting Max Schmelling, Max Baer and Jack Sharkey. They were all great fighters in their prime.

Jerry Quarry for me.

Golota was the greatest unfulfilled talent.

mike tyson



minority here but i've always thought that prime tyson was not human...

mike tyson



minority here but i've always thought that prime tyson was not human...
finally. i agree. tyson is definately the greatest white hw of all time.

mike tyson



minority here but i've always thought that prime tyson was not human...
Mike Tyson had a white Irish grandfather, so he's at least 1/4 white, and Muhammed Ali had one white great-grandparent, so he's at least 1/8 white.

George Foreman has some white heritage on both sides of his family.

Mike Tyson had a white Irish grandfather, so he's at least 1/4 white, and Muhammed Ali had one white great-grandparent, so he's at least 1/8 white.

George Foreman has some white heritage on both sides of his family.

Ali's great grandfather was also Irish. There's a video of him discussing that on a show.

wladimir klitschko easy

Rocky Marciano

Vladimir or Vitaly

Tye Fields.

Tye Fields.

Fields is american bum. all boxer beat this man

Ali's great grandfather was also Irish. There's a video of him discussing that on a show.



That is absolutely correct.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1210524/Muhammad-Ali-freeman-ancestral-home-Ireland.html

Rock Marciano....

Rocky Marciano man, no doubt!

Marciano
Vitali

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