Apparently since Marciano beat a bunch of 180 pound trash back in the day that means he could beat 230 pound skilled fighters from the 70's till today i am guessing this so called great Marciano would kick Gods ass too.
Marciano in one round.Freaking Morons

Marciano in one round.Freaking Morons


u said it urself, so marciano ko1 god with suzieQ, which is a force of nature itself!! god was in his right hand so how could god beat his own self!! he cant!! so this "fantasy fantistical matchup" is null n void!! btw, i see all u can talk about is marciano so find sumbody else to talk crap of, frazier, and his 15th round he didnt come out for in the thrilla!! bah, humbuggers r good, i ate one tonite, or shall i say dis morning!! crack makes me whack yo :confused: :rolleyes: :eek: :D

Marciano KO's god in the fantasy fight section.

The weight issue's or not,Marciano was a tough and durable guy
who hit hard as hell.These guys might have outweighed him,but
he hit harder than most.And could take a heck of a shot too.
Two thing very important in the heavyweight division.I don't
think people are morons for thinking that Marciano could hang
with the 70's heavyweights,and certainly not todays heavyweights.
I don't see the big deal.As for him beating bums,yeah your right.
But he beat everyone he could that was around at the time.

Marciano was a victim of the times. He didn't duck anyone in his era.

Marciano by DQ.

Apparently since Marciano beat a bunch of 180 pound trash back in the day that means he could beat 230 pound skilled fighters from the 70's till today i am guessing this so called great Marciano would kick Gods ass too.
Marciano in one round.Freaking Morons


Atleast Marciano didn't fight untill he was 95 years old and risk the chance of getting killed in the ring like your boy Tommy Hearns.

Marciano by KO, because he is real!

Marciano was the best basketball player of all time .One time i seen him dunk from half court.Man there is nothing Marciano couldn't do.Well he couldn't fight 200 pound heavyweights and he couldn't avoid being knocked down by Archie Moore a blown up middleweight who was pushing 50 with one punch..And he couldn't knock out Moore a man who was knocked out with a few punches by guys who were middleweights in his prime but yet Marciano had to take 8..But besides that Marciano is the greatest thing that ever lived.

Marciano hit harder than who?Give me a ****ing break retards.Look at Holyfields record when he fought 180 pound guys.His knock out percentage was really high but when he moved up it dropped big time and Holyfield fought legends.So why would you assume Marciano could keep his fake power?Who the hell did ever knock out who was as tough as Frazier,Lyle or any of the guys Foreman fought and beat?Nobody that is who.
And Marciano didn't duck anybody?You are a complete idiot.Corley Wallace who fought Marciano when Maricano was a 20 plus year old amateur he knocked Marciano out in one round.Was Corley a world class fighter?Hell no but he was a 200 pound fighter who was still in his prime.And When they both turned pro Marciano ducked him.
As i said and will say again Marciano isn't a heavyweight.So he wouldn't be able to handle any decent heavyweights punch.He couldn't hurt any heavyweight with a decent chin.You say he is tough right?So being tough for a 180 pound man means he can handle a 220 pound man who can punch punches?Was Joe Frazier not tough?And what did Foreman do to him?Frazier was a 200 plus pound man but against a bigger stronger fighter like Foreman he became nothing and so would Marciano.I hope you get my point.

Marciano hit harder than who?Give me a ****ing break retards.Look at Holyfields record when he fought 180 pound guys.His knock out percentage was really high but when he moved up it dropped big time and Holyfield fought legends.So why would you assume Marciano could keep his fake power?Who the hell did ever knock out who was as tough as Frazier,Lyle or any of the guys Foreman fought and beat?Nobody that is who.
And Marciano didn't duck anybody?You are a complete idiot.Corley Wallace who fought Marciano when Maricano was a 20 plus year old amateur he knocked Marciano out in one round.Was Corley a world class fighter?Hell no but he was a 200 pound fighter who was still in his prime.And When they both turned pro Marciano ducked him.
As i said and will say again Marciano isn't a heavyweight.So he wouldn't be able to handle any decent heavyweights punch.He couldn't hurt any heavyweight with a decent chin.You say he is tough right?So being tough for a 180 pound man means he can handle a 220 pound man who can punch punches?Was Joe Frazier not tough?And what did Foreman do to him?Frazier was a 200 plus pound man but against a bigger stronger fighter like Foreman he became nothing and so would Marciano.I hope you get my point.

You like cock dont you?

Lol wow from a man with Roy Jones Jr as your avitar you are the one to talk..When you get some pussy then get back with me,until then you are just a ***got with a mans picture who you want to spoon as your avitar..Ha you people crack me up.Jokes by ***gots in a boxing forum as if any of you people matter to me.You are just words on a computer screen to me and if the best you can do is some homosexual comment then **** off.A bitch with glass chin Roy Jones Jr as his avitar tries to insult me..now i have seen everything.By the way your mom loves my cock..It is alot bigger than your ***got dads.

Lol wow from a man with Roy Jones Jr as your avitar you are the one to talk..When you get some pussy then get back with me,until then you are just a ***got with a mans picture who you want to spoon as your avitar..Ha you people crack me up.Jokes by ***gots in a boxing forum as if any of you people matter to me.You are just words on a computer screen to me and if the best you can do is some homosexual comment then **** off.A bitch with glass chin Roy Jones Jr as his avitar tries to insult me..now i have seen everything.By the way your mom loves my cock..It is alot bigger than your ***got dads.

How does George Foreman's dick feel in your ass? nobody takes you seriously bro. Marciano was the greatest :)

Marciano hit harder than who?Give me a ****ing break retards.Look at Holyfields record when he fought 180 pound guys.His knock out percentage was really high but when he moved up it dropped big time and Holyfield fought legends.So why would you assume Marciano could keep his fake power?Who the hell did ever knock out who was as tough as Frazier,Lyle or any of the guys Foreman fought and beat?Nobody that is who.
And Marciano didn't duck anybody?You are a complete idiot.Corley Wallace who fought Marciano when Maricano was a 20 plus year old amateur he knocked Marciano out in one round.Was Corley a world class fighter?Hell no but he was a 200 pound fighter who was still in his prime.And When they both turned pro Marciano ducked him.
As i said and will say again Marciano isn't a heavyweight.So he wouldn't be able to handle any decent heavyweights punch.He couldn't hurt any heavyweight with a decent chin.You say he is tough right?So being tough for a 180 pound man means he can handle a 220 pound man who can punch punches?Was Joe Frazier not tough?And what did Foreman do to him?Frazier was a 200 plus pound man but against a bigger stronger fighter like Foreman he became nothing and so would Marciano.I hope you get my point.

your a complete idiot see i love when people say that Marciano got Ko'd by somebody when he was an amateur because he never got KO'd when he was pro which is where it counts.

OK
First, I can't even find anything on Corley Wallace, maybe you spelt his name wrong but if you can supply me with ample evidence of him having a pro career then i'd have a better argument.

what i can say about his amateur career (8-4 was his record)
Ok when he first started boxing as an amateur he was a heavy smoker and very out of shape. He only went in because he knew he had a "hellava" punch. So his first fight he lost because he went up against a trained, conditioned boxer who he ended up kneeing and getting DQ'd for. he started fighting around 1946, his first Pro fight was 1947. Hmmmm he started fighting amateur not knowing anything and a year later he was in with the pro's, sounds to me like he wasn't trained the best at that point which is why he went back down to amateurs for another year, and also trying to become a professional baseball player. in 1948 he was back in the ring as a pro, alittle better trained but not much. This is why he never developed a true boxing style which is why he had such a wild awkward style in the beginning which Al goldman crafted into a heavyweight champion style.



so get back to me

also for more info on rocky's amateur career go here

http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Arena/1047//Rocky22.html

the site sometimes goes down due to bandwidth overflow or some nonsense but if you try back within a few hours or so its usually back up.

Alright i'll await the reply :boxing:

i did find his record and what i thought is correct

COLEY Wallace (you said Corley) turned pro in 1950 and retired in 1956. Marciano started fighting in 47 to 56.

by the time Wallace began fighting rocky was already 24-0, and nobody that is 0-0 is going to get a fight with somebody that is 24-0 and is already fighting fighters like Carmine Vingo (who was considered and up coming contender and is the last fight before Wallace turned pro)

by the time Wallace turned pro Rocky was probably already a top 20 fighter. So how is Rocky ducking somebody that is not even near his level.

well i'd saythat i'm right but if you have something to add

maybe i have the wrong fighter (that is how you spell his name because i checked his amateur record in the link i provided in my last post)

here's there records

http://boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=9032
Carmine Vingo is the last fighter he fought before wallace turned pro

http://boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=10361

alright

I am a idiot because you are a simple minded racist white guy who still believes that a 180 pound man such as Marciano could handle a 230 plus pound mans punches(I could of sworn boxing has weight classes because they know this is not possible) but i guess having white skin liks Marciano makes you above everything every other boxer has to follow.
How old was Marciano when he was a amatuer?The man was in this 20's and since you seem pretty slow let me explain this to you.You know how in other sports you can learn to lets say become a better free throw shooter or something like that?Well in boxing if you could be knocked out in 1 round one time then you are capable or being knocked out like that again...it isn't like Marciano was a teenager when this happened because he was a grown ass man.
You say Wallace wasn't at the level of Marcinao so why would he duck him?What level did Marciano ever reach?Knocking out F level opponents who were also 180 pounds means you are great now in your eyes right?Marciano ducked him because Wallace wasn't pushing 50 when he challenged Marciano..and Marciano knew Wallace a complete bum had the power to knock him out before so he wasn't going to fight somebody he didnt have to who he knew he couldn't beat.
So get this through your head if Wallace a complete waste of space could knock out Marciano..If Archie Moore a natural middleweight could knock him down with one punch and go toe to toe with him for 8 rounds before being stopped (Look it up Moore fought at middleweight for 8 maybe 9 years and was knocked down and out several times by guys his own size in his prime)If Walcott a 190 pound guy could knock down Marciano with one punch then why would you still assume that a true heavyweight like Foreman,Tyson,Lewis,Bowe,both Klitchko's,Tua,Ibeabuchi,Peters man i could go on and on about who wouldn't just destroy Marciano.
I don't know how i can explain it any better..just say you love the man because he was white,say you have no clue about boxing but you heard other racist white guys mention his name a lot.Say for a 180 pound fighter who made a whole career out of fighting bums he was decent..But don't keep placing this mans name with the all time heavyweight greats because the man was never a heavyweight and he only fought about 4 or 5 guys who weight 200 or more pounds.It is like me saying because i am black and like Jeff Lacy that means he could knock out Vitali or Wladimir Klitchko.Either of them would crush Lacy wiht no problem because they are both bigger and stronger than he is.
Marciano is the most overrated athelete in sports history period.Get over it.Find another boxer to be a fan of..

I get the point that your a hateful loser.
And no matter what anyone says,your still
going to think that Marciano's a bum.
You can speculate all you want about him
or his power.We will never know.But the
fact is he retired undefeated and beat
the best compeition there was around.
As for the ducking thing,your so full of
it,and you know it.Somebody always has a
new name everytime I argue with them about
Marciano.He was the heavyweight champion
of the world,he didn't duck some guy who
beat him in the amatuers.You can think
Rocky sucks all you want.But too question
his power and courage is stupid.You are
looking like the retard man!

Coley Wallace did not knock Marciano out as an amateur.

People can be fans of whoever they please.
Your a Tommy Hearns fan.Thats cool,he was
a great fighter.But not the best who ever
lived.Just like Rocky!

I am a idiot because you are a simple minded racist white guy who still believes that a 180 pound man such as Marciano could handle a 230 plus pound mans punches(I could of sworn boxing has weight classes because they know this is not possible) but i guess having white skin liks Marciano makes you above everything every other boxer has to follow.
How old was Marciano when he was a amatuer?The man was in this 20's and since you seem pretty slow let me explain this to you.You know how in other sports you can learn to lets say become a better free throw shooter or something like that?Well in boxing if you could be knocked out in 1 round one time then you are capable or being knocked out like that again...it isn't like Marciano was a teenager when this happened because he was a grown ass man.
You say Wallace wasn't at the level of Marcinao so why would he duck him?What level did Marciano ever reach?Knocking out F level opponents who were also 180 pounds means you are great now in your eyes right?Marciano ducked him because Wallace wasn't pushing 50 when he challenged Marciano..and Marciano knew Wallace a complete bum had the power to knock him out before so he wasn't going to fight somebody he didnt have to who he knew he couldn't beat.
So get this through your head if Wallace a complete waste of space could knock out Marciano..If Archie Moore a natural middleweight could knock him down with one punch and go toe to toe with him for 8 rounds before being stopped (Look it up Moore fought at middleweight for 8 maybe 9 years and was knocked down and out several times by guys his own size in his prime)If Walcott a 190 pound guy could knock down Marciano with one punch then why would you still assume that a true heavyweight like Foreman,Tyson,Lewis,Bowe,both Klitchko's,Tua,Ibeabuchi,Peters man i could go on and on about who wouldn't just destroy Marciano.
I don't know how i can explain it any better..just say you love the man because he was white,say you have no clue about boxing but you heard other racist white guys mention his name a lot.Say for a 180 pound fighter who made a whole career out of fighting bums he was decent..But don't keep placing this mans name with the all time heavyweight greats because the man was never a heavyweight and he only fought about 4 or 5 guys who weight 200 or more pounds.It is like me saying because i am black and like Jeff Lacy that means he could knock out Vitali or Wladimir Klitchko.Either of them would crush Lacy wiht no problem because they are both bigger and stronger than he is.
Marciano is the most overrated athelete in sports history period.Get over it.Find another boxer to be a fan of..

you know byyour logic valuev is unbeatable and you obiusly havent heard off primo carnera

I am a idiot because you are a simple minded racist white guy who still believes that a 180 pound man such as Marciano could handle a 230 plus pound mans punches

you are the first one who brought the race factor, i dont care if Rocky was white black purple yellow tie-die whatever the **** you want it to be the man was though a ****, i dont see how he is not a valid great HW. maybe you are the racist who thinks a white man cannot be a great HW just because he is white

Tommyhearns is the resident clown on this forum. He considers LaMotta to have an average chin, Foreman to have a better chin than Ali even though he was rocked by fighters who's punches Ali shook off, and Tyson to have had no defense. Pretty much whatever he says, the opposite is true.

Tommyhearns is the resident clown on this forum. He considers LaMotta to have an average chin, Foreman to have a better chin than Ali even though he was rocked by fighters who's punches Ali shook off, and Tyson to have had no defense. Pretty much whatever he says, the opposite is true.

yeah, he even called jack dempsey a coward, lol!

Pretty much whatever he says, the opposite is true.

Yep, pretty much.

He also has the convience to ignore what others say to him, as well, as I've posted the fight description of Marciano & Wallace at least a couple of times on here in response to him (possibly even more), and have also included plenty of other links/sources stating that the fight went the distance and wasn't without it's share of controversy...

But this moron continually chosed to ignore that and instead believes in some AP report of Wallace's death which made a false claim that Wallace knocked out Marciano as an amateur...Apparently he also missed the follow up AP report from a few days later when they publicly admitted that they made a mistake with that information on their amateur fight.

Yep, pretty much.

He also has the convience to ignore what others say to him, as well, as I've posted the fight description of Marciano & Wallace at least a couple of times on here in response to him (possibly even more), and have also included plenty of other links/sources stating that the fight went the distance and wasn't without it's share of controversy...

But this moron continually chosed to ignore that and instead believes in some AP report of Wallace's death which made a false claim that Wallace knocked out Marciano as an amateur...Apparently he also missed the follow up AP report from a few days later when they publicly admitted that they made a mistake with that information on their amateur fight.

haha, lol!

I almost feel like it should be possible to ban Hearns on account of his ignorance. Can we do that?

haha this is some funny shit. tommyhearns is biased as balls and marciano was a great but he does raise some questions about his ability to withstand big boys. i think alot of the bigs in history would have knocked marciano out but he couldnt do n e thing more than beat everyone in his path. he's a great.

Tommyhearns is the resident clown on this forum. He considers LaMotta to have an average chin, Foreman to have a better chin than Ali even though he was rocked by fighters who's punches Ali shook off, and Tyson to have had no defense. Pretty much whatever he says, the opposite is true.


yeah he also said the discovery channel doesn't sell lions.

Lol Marciano is only great in the eyes of white men.When was the last Italian heavyweight champion?When there is another get back with me will your bullshit..Lol and Frazier knocked Ali down and couldnt hurt Foreman so what does that mean ?Norton hurt Ali and yet couldnt do jack to Foreman Cooper almost knocked Ali out with one punch but yet a old Foreman walked thru Tommy Morrisons punches like they were nothing.He also walked thru Holyfields punches something that Tyson couldnt do.. Name one figher that hurt Foreman that couldnt hurt Ali?You want me to name him for you?It was Lyle ..But let me give you some more people who hurt Ali.Chuck Wepner a guy who Foreman killed years before Ali fought him.Doug Jones a 180 pound fighter yet Foreman couldnt be hurt by Shannon Briggs who is a big time 230 pound man who can punch.
Who else could i name who hurt Ali...Chuvalo landed some good punches that seem to bother Ali late in i believe their second fight yet Chuvalo couldnt make Foreman budge.But yeat Ali had alot better chin than Foreman did.LOl that is why Ali is the one with brain damage now because he is so freaking tough.
And when did Tyson have a d?Since 5 men knocked him out?I guess being knocked out 5 times makes you have great d right?Guess what then since Foreman was only stopped once by another all time great.That means Foreman has the best D of any heavyweight champion right moron?Wrong as i said When you can fight world class fighters and avoid their punches then you have great d and no heavyweight really had that good of a d-fense.A fighter like "Sweet Pea" had great d because he made every fighter in his prime miss.
Hey mgkirkpatrick if Ali would of fought the 180 pound bums Marciano fought would he lost?Would Tyson of lost to them?How about Foreman,Holmes,Lewis,Bowe,Frazier,Holyfield ect ect ect.Would any of them lost to the 180 pound trash Marciano fought?So having a career beating bums makes you great wait let me guess your skin has to be white.Damn to bad all of the fighters i named were black.Blacks have come along way in this country but they are still no match for some loser reject boxer like Marciano.I wish i was white so i could be a loser my whole life and have people kiss up to me..
I am the only sane person who post here.You never seen me pull shit out of my ass for any fighter..My screen name is Tommy Hearns because i am a fan of his but you don't see me saying he could knock out Roy Jones with one punch because i don't like Roy Jones.Just because i hate Tyson because is a cowardly rapist you don't see me saying this or that guy would knock out a prime Tyson with one punch because the man was never knocked down our out with one punch.
You know how you show you are great at a certain weight class?First you have to fight fighters from that weight class and you have to be that weight yourself.You can't say a fighter is a great welterweight if he wasn't a welterweight or didn fight any.It is like somebody who likes De La Hoya saying he is the best super middleweight who ever lived and would knock out Jeff Lacy or something like that which we know is bull.Second to be great you have to fight hall of fame fighters in their primes and beat them.Even at 180 pounds who did Marciano fight in their primes.I mean guys who never lost or had only a few loses when he fought them..Did Marciano do this?Hell no so he wasn't even great at beating people his own size.
The only heavyweights who can say they fought and beat legends in their prime are Ali,Foreman,Frazier,Norton, if you consider Holyfield great then Bowe beat him and Holyfield beat Bowe,M Moorer beat Holyfield.And there are a few more i could of named by this post is long as it is.
And to the moron who said i said Dempsey is a coward he was.He ducked every single black man who challenged him.Wait because he is white again its ok for him to duck somebody because they are black and he knew he would lost to them?And little kid you can bullshit about Marciano not being knocked out by Wallace all you want.When Wallace died a while back it had in the paper he knocked out Marciano then you will read in some book that Marcinao beat him then you will see in another book that Wallace just knocked Marciano down but Marciano got up and lost that way.But were you there?Nope and I wasn't either.The point is he lost to a bum.If a bum could beat him then a guy like Tyson would kill him..
And Kid Achillies do you think i give a damn about you?I made this post and you came and replied..So evidently you are the loser.I know you are a fool so i see a post and it is made by you i won't respond to you.I don't care how much i want to do so i just don't.But you people live for people like me.When i type in this forum people flock to the post i create.And you know why?because i am damn good.Nobody gives a damn about most of the people here but i have following.When i type people listen.I box..I am still new to it because i just got out of the armed forces you know fighting for my country while you just type big bad words on the computer.Worshipping some white man you never met.
Wait i forgot something Kid Achillies i am a clown ?Lol this fool actully said George Chuvalo was far more skilled than Foreman.What retard would actually say some crap like this.Kid did a black man take your woman?Banged her right in front of you and that is why you come to boxing post and rant your racial stupidity.What a fool.A fool calling a god a clown.You are waste of space.Chuvalo more skilled than Foreman?Ohhhhh that is why Chuvalo lost almost 20 times or was it more?Yeah he was so skilled.Don't you remember that time he fought Foreman and knocked him out with one punch?Sure you do retard.Nobody but other racist white guys care about what you type in here.Do peopl even come to your post?
People actually send me personal mail telling me how they agree with me about how stupid you little racist are about Marciano.But anyway as i said when another italian heavyweight comes along and rules boxing like black fighters have for years maybe what you people post will bother me.But until my black fighters are the ones who make the sport of boxing go on.
Something else i just thought of.I know why some of you whites live in the past with your little loser Marciano's and cowardly Dempsey's it is because my race rules most sports.Either black men or hispanics so some of you whites who are racist need to have something to grasp on too.Yeah i feel bad for you.Having to watch black men rule basketball,black men rule football,hispanics rule the american past time baseball.It is ok.I know how it is.Infact i will just put all people in here who are Tyson fans or Marciano fans on ignore.I am done with you people.I keep saying i am going to do it but know is the time.Bye bye.

i just got out of the armed forces you know fighting for my country
It's reassuring to know that an education or a brain is not a pre-requisite for serving our country.

El Jefe+ Little boy Marciano isn't a great heavyweight because he isn't a heavyweight..Get it crack head?The man at best is a small cruiserweight.How the hell are you going to keep saying he is a valid heavyweight when he never fought any true heavyweights.Name a heavyweight he fought child..come on name one.He fought 0 you know zero none..
Bring him back to life and have him fight 220 plus pound men and do something then he will be a great heavyweight.And me racist?Lol that is a laugh.Tommy Morrison is the fighter who made me love boxing.All of my favorite atheletes are white..Well almost all....so try again.Read the post i made when people keep bashing Vitali and Wladimir Klictcko child and then tell me who the racist is.You want me to tell you who is the racist?You are if you think that a man who wasn't a heavyweight who was knocked down by blown up middleweights like Archie Moore could handle a man who was 230 pounds like Lewis punches you are either racist or retarded in any case i feel sorry for you and if you keep up the stupid post you will be put on ignore like Kid Achillies and the rest of the idiots who annoy me.
And to the guy who said Primo Carnera is great you get put on ignore for that.Primo was a joke who was controlled by the italian Mafia.Lol and i wait i said because you were 300 pounds you couldnt lose?Do you smoke crack?Yeah why am i asking of course you do.Valuev would never lose to a 180 pound fighter no matter how bad he was.He wouldn't be able to hurt him period .There is a limit to size.Most all of the real greats were between 6'2 to 6'6 and from 215 to 240 any bigger and it makes you slower and smaller and it hurts your ability to jab and box.
And little boy let me ask you again if size wasn't important then why are there weight classes?Why is it that as Roy Jones moved up his power decreased?Why is that as a welterweight hearns punched like a horse kicked but as he moved up his power dropped?Because weight means a great deal.Again if Moore a natural middleweight could drop Marciano would one punch what do you think Tysons punches would do?What would Foremans do?Wait you are telling me Moore a middleweight for the first 8 years of his career could punch harder than Tyson or Foreman and i don't mean pound for pound i mean could he really punch harder?I think not..And it isnt just those 2 Cooney would of Murdered him so would Morrison,Wlad and Vitali,Tua,Bowe,Lewis,Ibeabuchi the list goes on and on and if you do have brain stop trying to fit in with these clowns you know what is right.Deep inside you know what i am saying is right.

valuev

And to you Mass Pride you are showing why you are a racist.Could any other 180 pound man hit as hard as a 230 pound man who could punch?But wait Maricano could because he was white right?He retired undefeated?Wow So could alot of other true greats if they fought the level of fighters Marciano fought.Maricano is tough?And you know this because you fought him right?Wait as i said before then you are saying Frazier is a coward right?Frazier was a spineless coward acording to you.Frazier's natural weight is about 205 to 215 which is 20 to 30 pounds heavier than Marcinao right?But what did Foreman do to him?Frazier was nothing to Foreman because Foreman was a true heavyweight and Frazier was barely past most bigger cruiserweights.
I know what Frazier had a glass jaw right?Even know Marciano was knocked down by guys smaller than he was.And the only guys who knock down Frazier were Foreman who was naturally 230 plus but got down to 220 for most of this earlier fights and by Bonavena a natural 220 pound man.Let me guess again Mass Pride Frazier couldn't punch worth a damn.That is what you are saying right...Even though Frazier fought the bigger stronger and better fighters and was actually bigger better and stronger and a harder hitter than Marciano that Marciano could knock out a man like Foreman?Is that what you are saying?You can't be that dumb.the only guy who is this dumb is Kid Achillies and he is ignored.
Lol Sabbath are you as coke out as Ozzy Osbourne.Go listen to his preach about the devil or something.Beat off to my black men as we kick your races ass.I also went to UVA a major college and where did you go?Oh you went to ignore college?Where is that?Wait it isn't a college it is a place for racist white guys to go when i am done dealing with them :)

A little boy in a boxing forum with a picture of a coked out man who tried to murder his wife..Yeah you are cool.Too bad i won't be seeing you type to me anymore

You think ANYONE is reading that garbage tommyhearns804?

Its so sad because this bitch tries so hard, but no one gives a ****.

Sabbath are you as coke out as Ozzy Osbourne.Go listen to his preach about the devil or something. I also went to UVA a major collegeYeah, I can tell by your spelling and grammer that you are an educated man. I guess you ran out of Frank Lotierzo articles to plagiarize so now we get blessed with your beautiful deconstruction of the english language.

Keep it up though. You're the laughing stock of this site and we'll miss you if you leave.

I was reading another one of your earlier post Mass and you said Marciano took a great punch?Now i know you are a racist plain and simple.How many times did Marciano face a puncher who was 220 pounds like Tyson?How many times did a prime Foreman rip him with punches?It is like saying since Hagler was hit by Hearns and wasn't hurt that he would move up to heavy just gain 20 pounds so he would be like Marciano and face guys like Lewis and not be hurt.And who did he face at his own size who had lets say 40 wins and 37 knock outs like a Foreman did?Walcott had 50 wins 20 loses and 30 knockouts which doesnt make him a vicious puncher does it?Most of Charles fights went the distance.Moore was a great puncher at middleweight and sure he kept some of his power as he moved up but he wasn't as nearly as good as a puncher when he weighed 185 or so as when he weighed 155 and both Walcott an Moore knocked him down.If you want to say Joe Louis then he fought more bums than Marciano and he ducked every black man who challeged him until his last 2 fights and got a savaged beating.When i said Marciano is the most overrated boxer earlier i should of said Louis was.He was hurt by guys who were middleweights too the only difference is Louis was hurt by Conn a guy who couldn't even punch as a middleweight and Marciano was hurt by a guy who was a huge puncher at middleweight and Marciano was 20 pounds or so smaller than Louis.
And to prove another point about racism if you read other post by me then you know that i know Marciano would of beat Louis no matter how old Louis was.A young Louis would of been knocked out alot quicker because he kept his hands down alot.Louis was past his prime when he fought Marciano but so was Moore..Moore was in his 40's and Louis was in his late 30's and Moore knocked Marciano down so Louis punch was overrated big time.Sure styles make fights but it isnt like Louis didnt land punches on Marciano because he did and he just couldn't hurt him.Marciano would always beat Louis period.But even the Louis was only 200 to 205 so he was still wasn't a true heavyweight(and as i said they man didn't have a great chin)
Get over it people i am too much for you.Give up you will never win.My knowledge is superior to yours.

This is a funny thread. Made me laugh quite a few times.
Someone here needs to take seroquel though, for a severe disillusionmen treatment.

I was reading another one of your earlier post Mass and you said Marciano took a great punch?Now i know you are a racist plain and simple.How many times did Marciano face a puncher who was 220 pounds like Tyson?How many times did a prime Foreman rip him with punches?It is like saying since Hagler was hit by Hearns and wasn't hurt that he would move up to heavy just gain 20 pounds so he would be like Marciano and face guys like Lewis and not be hurt.And who did he face at his own size who had lets say 40 wins and 37 knock outs like a Foreman did?Walcott had 50 wins 20 loses and 30 knockouts which doesnt make him a vicious puncher does it?Most of Charles fights went the distance.Moore was a great puncher at middleweight and sure he kept some of his power as he moved up but he wasn't as nearly as good as a puncher when he weighed 185 or so as when he weighed 155 and both Walcott an Moore knocked him down.If you want to say Joe Louis then he fought more bums than Marciano and he ducked every black man who challeged him until his last 2 fights and got a savaged beating.When i said Marciano is the most overrated boxer earlier i should of said Louis was.He was hurt by guys who were middleweights too the only difference is Louis was hurt by Conn a guy who couldn't even punch as a middleweight and Marciano was hurt by a guy who was a huge puncher at middleweight and Marciano was 20 pounds or so smaller than Louis.
And to prove another point about racism if you read other post by me then you know that i know Marciano would of beat Louis no matter how old Louis was.A young Louis would of been knocked out alot quicker because he kept his hands down alot.Louis was past his prime when he fought Marciano but so was Moore..Moore was in his 40's and Louis was in his late 30's and Moore knocked Marciano down so Louis punch was overrated big time.Sure styles make fights but it isnt like Louis didnt land punches on Marciano because he did and he just couldn't hurt him.Marciano would always beat Louis period.But even the Louis was only 200 to 205 so he was still wasn't a true heavyweight(and as i said they man didn't have a great chin)
Get over it people i am too much for you.Give up you will never win.My knowledge is superior to yours.


So what you're saying is, George Foreman was overrated and Marciano would knock him out? Oh ok.

I am gay and roll in hay with guys named Ray.
Moore was in his 40's and Louis was in his late 30's and Moore knocked Marciano down so Louis punch was overrated big time.Sure styles make fights but it isnt like Louis didnt land punches on Marciano because he did and he just couldn't hurt him.

Good thing for Louis and Moore that power is the last thing to leave a boxer.

Im racist because I like a white fighter?And think he hit hard?
Go back and read my posts,and then read your posts,and tell me who is racist.I don't even know what to say to you.Your making
absolutely no sense.How old are you?Their really should be a age
limit on this board.You can keep on arguing with me about rockys
weight or punching power,or how he would do against Tyson,
Foreman,ETC.But all im saying is he is an undisputed great.He beat everyone around at the time.And never ducked anyone.Which
your bluff has already been called on.Its a fact man!Can you
at least understand that?Maybe it would have been different in
another era.But it is what it is.His accomplishments make him a
great fighter.Im sorry if you hate him because he is white.But
that is your problem.Don't be calling anyone else racist.Your
making a fool of yourself.I had no idea who you were before this,
but obviously some of these guys did.It's obvious your a big joke
on this forum.So keep going,im having a good laugh :D

Lol and i will have a great laugh watching my race dominate your people sport..Lol you are a ****ing moron..but you are white so why would i expect anymore from you?When you can keep mexicans from ruling your country then get back with me as well.You know who else is great then?Frank Bruno he is black like i am so let me just say he is the best ever.He would of knocked out any white fighter who ever lived with one punch..And like your retarded racist friends you get ignored.Now i will have the last laugh.Bye bye idiot :)

I don't even having to say anything at this point. This dickwad does such a great job of completely owning himself that it's easier to sit back and watch.

Are you reading posts by someone else?and thinking it was written
by me?I never once said anything about Frazier or any other
fighter than Rocky.If you wanna argue,then lets argue.But don't
make things up.Other people can see my posts you realize right?
And no one is thinking in their head that your right.Trust me
man,everyone is having a good laugh.Your boxing knowledge is
racist and ignorant.Nothing more!

Thats the 10th time you said your were ignoring me.Do it already.
I,ve already owned you and everyone watched it.So to you I say
bye bye racist pig!Come talk to me when you grow a hair one on
your balls.Now im really done with you.

I don't even having to say anything at this point. This dickwad does such a great job of completely owning himself that it's easier to sit back and watch.

pass the popcorn

You know who is another great heavyweight?Tye Fields.Sure even though he never fought anybody worth mentioning he did only lose one time.So based on how stupid you retarded racist are Fields is better than Ali.He did lose less times.Infact fields doesnt have to win the heavyweight title he is the best heavyweight champion of all time.If Maricano could be the best heavyweight of all time with out fighting heavyweights then Fields could be the best heavweight champion of all time with out actually being the champion.
Yeah this feels good.I see why you people act like complete morons.Being a complete waste of life is great..Let me type something else stupid.You know even though Karl Malone never won a nba championship ring with the Jazz and Larry Bird and the Celtics won plenty but because i am black like Malone then Karl Malone is a far better winner than Larry Bird is.
And Allen Iverson is a better shooter than Rick Barry.Shaq is a better free throw shooter than Nash..Jackie Robinson is a better homerun hitter than the great Babe Ruth.Yeah i am going to be a complete disgrace to god and my race like you people are.Just because i black that means everthing blacks do will be better than whites even if the black isn't good at all.Here is another one even though a black man has never been the president of this country the greatest president this country ever had was black..
Wow it feels great to be a loser with no life and actually think what is typed about me in a dumb boxing forum can hurt me...Yeah wait i have a life.This Forum isnt what i am about you can either read what i type and agree like the sane people do or you can kiss my black ass but i could care less about either.
As i said before most of the guys white or blacks aren't racist..You come here for the same reason i do because you are a fan of this sport.If you are so simpled minded that you can't understand why a 180 pound man no matter what his skin color is or record is will never be able to handle a skilled powerful 220 plus pound man then i feel bad for you but i will still ignore you.I will waste no more time trying to explain to you that because you go undefeated fighting tomato cans and some other fighter lost 3 or 4 times to world class fighters that the fighter who didnt lose isnt better than the one who has.If you can't understand that boxing has weight classes for a reason then you will never will.But i will still be better than you.You will still follow me from post to post trying to type to some man who could give a damn about.I will continue to see my race rule this sport.I will sit back and continue to see mexican after mexican come here and rule you.As you worry about some dead italian boxer you should be worrying about how your country is slipping from you.Get a life.Either come to me with boxing knowledge or don't come at all.
Man i wonder what happened to the people that were here last year.when in joined here a year ago there was hardly any racially biased people here.Now this forum is full of rapist loving Tyson fans,people like Kid Achilles by the way if that is your real picure on your avitar i see why you have no life..you are one ugly little boy..I bet you have to get laid by picking up kids online right?A regular child molestor.I am not a 10 year old boy so get off my balls alright.But you are still ignored so why bother responding to me :p

Lol is Kid stil posting about me?The boy is in love i put him and just about every other person who responded to my post and they still come here and read what i type and make little boxing forum comments about their god..Come on worship me.I live for this.To come to a forum and completely own it.Tell me how you worship the ground i walk on Kid Achillies.Tell me how if you had a chance to get into heaven which you don't.Child molestors don't go to heaven but if you did you would rather come to this forum and keep typing here and beating off to everything i type.
You know this is fun but i have better things to do with my life than to keep typing to or about you.I will go out and get some pussy.Maybe from one of your women who have to run to black men like me because you white boys are packing anything.That is why most of you live online ..When i am banging your white women making them cry i will tell them to say black men rule your white race.It should be fun..

He has everyone on ignore.So i guess he wins the arguments.
:rolleyes: This just shows his age.

Most people just go out their and get laid man.Not talk about it
on a forum.Thats when you know their full of it.Trust me,man
any girl I know would never touch your stank ass.You and everyone
here knows that your a 13 year old kid who probadly isn't even
sure of his preference when it comes to gender yet.

Apparently since Marciano beat a bunch of 180 pound trash back in the day that means he could beat 230 pound skilled fighters from the 70's till today i am guessing this so called great Marciano would kick Gods ass too.
Marciano in one round.Freaking Morons


I second this. I was thinking about this a while back, also. These white guys will seriously sit down and argue about how Rocky could beat God. Well, not to say it's a race thing, because they're so egotistical that their race has painted christ and God as white men.. ha

I just said he was a great fighter.Thats all.

I am a idiot because you are a simple minded racist white guy who still believes that a 180 pound man such as Marciano could handle a 230 plus pound mans punches(I could of sworn boxing has weight classes because they know this is not possible) but i guess having white skin liks Marciano makes you above everything every other boxer has to follow.
How old was Marciano when he was a amatuer?The man was in this 20's and since you seem pretty slow let me explain this to you.You know how in other sports you can learn to lets say become a better free throw shooter or something like that?Well in boxing if you could be knocked out in 1 round one time then you are capable or being knocked out like that again...it isn't like Marciano was a teenager when this happened because he was a grown ass man.
You say Wallace wasn't at the level of Marcinao so why would he duck him?What level did Marciano ever reach?Knocking out F level opponents who were also 180 pounds means you are great now in your eyes right?Marciano ducked him because Wallace wasn't pushing 50 when he challenged Marciano..and Marciano knew Wallace a complete bum had the power to knock him out before so he wasn't going to fight somebody he didnt have to who he knew he couldn't beat.
So get this through your head if Wallace a complete waste of space could knock out Marciano..If Archie Moore a natural middleweight could knock him down with one punch and go toe to toe with him for 8 rounds before being stopped (Look it up Moore fought at middleweight for 8 maybe 9 years and was knocked down and out several times by guys his own size in his prime)If Walcott a 190 pound guy could knock down Marciano with one punch then why would you still assume that a true heavyweight like Foreman,Tyson,Lewis,Bowe,both Klitchko's,Tua,Ibeabuchi,Peters man i could go on and on about who wouldn't just destroy Marciano.
I don't know how i can explain it any better..just say you love the man because he was white,say you have no clue about boxing but you heard other racist white guys mention his name a lot.Say for a 180 pound fighter who made a whole career out of fighting bums he was decent..But don't keep placing this mans name with the all time heavyweight greats because the man was never a heavyweight and he only fought about 4 or 5 guys who weight 200 or more pounds.It is like me saying because i am black and like Jeff Lacy that means he could knock out Vitali or Wladimir Klitchko.Either of them would crush Lacy wiht no problem because they are both bigger and stronger than he is.
Marciano is the most overrated athelete in sports history period.Get over it.Find another boxer to be a fan of..

your an idiot

Marciano had no defense as an amateur and for most of his professional career if that guy came back he'd be murder-- and going by what your saying Ali hit harder then Marciano or Vingo hit harder then Marciano, James Tony hits harder then Marciano

I'm the biased one because i say Marciano could KTFO Wallace or maybe its you being biased hating Marciano

just shut up cause your spewing garbage--but hey lets look

also Marciano's punch had the force to lift up 1000 pounds, this isn't false this actually was a test done, his punch was stronger then an armor piercing bullet, the only over 200 pound hw's since marciano that i think could match this are Joe Frazier,George Foreman, and Mike Tyson and maybe Sonny Liston, thats it

even somebody on this forum said ppl have done tests and determined that marciano's punch psi was over 1100 PSI

Need more proof show me other Heavyweights that Nearly killed someone, had most of his opponents pissing blood, broke guys arms in a fight, had one of there opponents vomitting blood in there corner, cause blood clots in other guys arms.
also show me somebody that has an 88% KO rate (beside prime foreman)

o and Marciano had trash oppenents?

look at this link
http://www.********boxing.com/news.php?p=4488&more=1
put e a s t s i d e where the stars are (no spaces)


so yes Marciano had a stronger punch then every 200+ hw except for these guys

this isn't a black white thing this is an idiot smart thing

we know what we are talking about and your an idiot

More links about his "questionable" power




http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Arena/1047//Rock5.html

http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Arena/1047//tough.html

http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Arena/1047//Rock.html
these sites can go down so check back in an hour

and don't come back spewing garbage until you actually read up on the fighter your bad mouthing

because personally Jack Johnson had shittier opposition and everybody raves about him.

the thing that u dont get, and i think it's because you're an inbred ****head, is that people are entitled to their own opinions. i think u should have been belted as a child. taught that whatever pops into your head doesnt become fact. you want to call me a racist because i think its an achievement to remain undefeated heavyweight champion of the world? ur diggin yourself deeper and deeper. u want to call me racist when im starting threads about wanting mundine to give green a beating because he's an ignorant redneck? man go play with your floppy inch. retards like you should be givin a world limit. then we'd get 'i think marciano was overrated' and it wouldnt be followed by a thousand words of race related paranoia.

Need more proof show me other Heavyweights that Nearly killed someone

I think Max Baer and Jess Willard both killed guys in the ring! But there power wasn't in the league of Marciano.

could match this are Joe Frazier,George Foreman, and Mike Tyson and maybe Sonny Liston, thats it

Don't forget Earnie Shavers - he had fists of stone and a chin of glass!

Rocky doesn't match up well with Foreman. That's no big deal, and there's no question who is better. Rocky was busy fighting real contenders while Foreman padded his record to 37-0 by fighting 17 guys with losing records.

Marciano had ridiculous power for his size but I wouldn't say that Baer's power wasn't in his league. Baer's right hand was as dangerous a weapon as one could ask for. I put it right up there with Foreman's, Marciano's or anyone's.

I think Max Baer and Jess Willard both killed guys in the ring! But there power wasn't in the league of Marciano.



Don't forget Earnie Shavers - he had fists of stone and a chin of glass!
i know Baer and willard weren't the only ones to nearly/or actually kill people in the ring

Many fighters have killed in the ring i know this- i actually am not sure why i typed that but you get it right

the thing that u dont get, and i think it's because you're an inbred ****head, is that people are entitled to their own opinions. i think u should have been belted as a child. taught that whatever pops into your head doesnt become fact. you want to call me a racist because i think its an achievement to remain undefeated heavyweight champion of the world? ur diggin yourself deeper and deeper. u want to call me racist when im starting threads about wanting mundine to give green a beating because he's an ignorant redneck? man go play with your floppy inch. retards like you should be givin a world limit. then we'd get 'i think marciano was overrated' and it wouldnt be followed by a thousand words of race related paranoia.

i understand all this, in many threads i've said people are allowed to there opinions and no matter how hard you try you'll never change them, put the fact that your saying marciano's power wasnt' there is ridiculous. It's not like I'm sitting here just spewing rambling grarbage at you. I've given you links, information. All you've done is said you white people and your Marciano, he's so over rated. Give me some proof then i'll conter that with something real.

I think Max Baer and Jess Willard both killed guys in the ring! But there power wasn't in the league of Marciano.



Don't forget Earnie Shavers - he had fists of stone and a chin of glass!
:rolleyes: i actually haven't seen to many of Shavers fights but the ones i have seen were pretty devastating as far as punching power goes

And to the moron who said i said Dempsey is a coward he was.He ducked every single black man who challenged him.Wait because he is white again its ok for him to duck somebody because they are black and he knew he would lost to them?

ok, number 1, i'm black, so saying that i stick up for dempsey because he's white holds no bearing in this argument. number 2, dempsey didn't duck harry wills. promoter tex rickard didn't allow that fight to happen, so there was nothing dempsey could do about it. dempsey actually signed the contract to fight wills, so it's not his fault.

and you saying that dempsey was a coward is bull, because dempsey probably had more balls than anyone. this guy was a homeless hobo at the age of 14 and he basically had to fight other hobos just for food. and these were grown men he was taking on, while he was just 14 or 15. yeah, that real cowardly, huh? :rolleyes: and when he started boxing, he had to fight guys alot bigger than he was. he was like 15 or 16 and weighed about 140lb. and he was fighting and beating 200+lb. fighters. and he did beat some good black fighters before he won the title. fred fulton a black man was 6'-4" and about 220, and i believe carl morris was black as well, and he was i think 6'-2" and 205, so you don't know what your talking about.

oh yeah,
muhammad ali ko8 george foreman! :D

ok, number 1, i'm black, so saying that i stick up for dempsey because he's white holds no bearing in this argument. number 2, dempsey didn't duck harry wills. promoter tex rickard didn't allow that fight to happen, so there was nothing dempsey could do about it. dempsey actually signed the contract to fight wills, so it's not his fault.

and you saying that dempsey was a coward is bull, because dempsey probably had more balls than anyone. this guy was a homeless hobo at the age of 14 and he basically had to fight other hobos just for food. and these were grown men he was taking on, while he was just 14 or 15. yeah, that real cowardly, huh? :rolleyes: and when he started boxing, he had to fight guys alot bigger than he was. he was like 15 or 16 and weighed about 140lb. and he was fighting and beating 200+lb. fighters. and he did beat some good black fighters before he won the title. fred fulton a black man was 6'-4" and about 220, and i believe carl morris was black as well, and he was i think 6'-2" and 205, so you don't know what your talking about.

oh yeah,
muhammad ali ko8 george foreman! :D


True,

Dempsey just as much heart or more then anyone :D

Neither Fred Fulton or Carl Morris were black, Butterfly.

Neither Fred Fulton or Carl Morris were black, Butterfly.

well, who were the black guys he fought? :confused: i remember his fighting some black guys.

well, who were the black guys he fought? :confused: i remember his fighting some black guys.

Off the top of my head...He fought John Lester Johnson, Emmanuel Campbell, and maybe one or more other black heavyweights that I can't recall offhand...

He also regularily seeked the black heavyweights help in training and sparred guys like George Godfrey, Bill Tate, Larry Gains, Ace Clark, etc., etc. He also participated in many exhibitions with those guys mentioned, as well as later black heavyweights like Bill Hartwell and Bearcat Wright.

I am a idiot because you are a simple minded racist white guy who still believes that a 180 pound man such as Marciano could handle a 230 plus pound mans punches(I could of sworn boxing has weight classes because they know this is not possible) but i guess having white skin liks Marciano makes you above everything every other boxer has to follow.
How old was Marciano when he was a amatuer?The man was in this 20's and since you seem pretty slow let me explain this to you.You know how in other sports you can learn to lets say become a better free throw shooter or something like that?Well in boxing if you could be knocked out in 1 round one time then you are capable or being knocked out like that again...it isn't like Marciano was a teenager when this happened because he was a grown ass man.
You say Wallace wasn't at the level of Marcinao so why would he duck him?What level did Marciano ever reach?Knocking out F level opponents who were also 180 pounds means you are great now in your eyes right?Marciano ducked him because Wallace wasn't pushing 50 when he challenged Marciano..and Marciano knew Wallace a complete bum had the power to knock him out before so he wasn't going to fight somebody he didnt have to who he knew he couldn't beat.
So get this through your head if Wallace a complete waste of space could knock out Marciano..If Archie Moore a natural middleweight could knock him down with one punch and go toe to toe with him for 8 rounds before being stopped (Look it up Moore fought at middleweight for 8 maybe 9 years and was knocked down and out several times by guys his own size in his prime)If Walcott a 190 pound guy could knock down Marciano with one punch then why would you still assume that a true heavyweight like Foreman,Tyson,Lewis,Bowe,both Klitchko's,Tua,Ibeabuchi,Peters man i could go on and on about who wouldn't just destroy Marciano.
I don't know how i can explain it any better..just say you love the man because he was white,say you have no clue about boxing but you heard other racist white guys mention his name a lot.Say for a 180 pound fighter who made a whole career out of fighting bums he was decent..But don't keep placing this mans name with the all time heavyweight greats because the man was never a heavyweight and he only fought about 4 or 5 guys who weight 200 or more pounds.It is like me saying because i am black and like Jeff Lacy that means he could knock out Vitali or Wladimir Klitchko.Either of them would crush Lacy wiht no problem because they are both bigger and stronger than he is.
Marciano is the most overrated athelete in sports history period.Get over it.Find another boxer to be a fan of..

the only racist here is you

Off the top of my head...He fought John Lester Johnson, Emmanuel Campbell, and maybe one or more other black heavyweights that I can't recall offhand...

He also regularily seeked the black heavyweights help in training and sparred guys like George Godfrey, Bill Tate, Larry Gains, Ace Clark, etc., etc. He also participated in many exhibitions with those guys mentioned, as well as later black heavyweights like Bill Hartwell and Bearcat Wright.

thanks, yogi. :)

Marciano Vs Tyson:
Marciano would have won by a knockout. Tyson was easily beaten and knocked out by Holyfield. Iron Mike has NO heart. He is a bully who seems awesome as long as he is fighting scared, much lesser oponents. Against a fighter who isn't afraid of him, like Holyfield, he lacks the courage to stay in a fight where he is being hurt. And he lacks stamina. Tyson is a short term fighter who loses power after 4-5 rounds. Marciano would have met him toe-to-toe, took Tyson's best shots and given him some that were just as hard or harder, and Tyson would have lost heart just as he did with Holyfield. And Marciano had knockout power to the end of the fight, so even if Tyson could have kept his nerve past 5 rounds, he would have then been fighting someone who still had impact in his punches.
When I say Tyson has no heart, I mean he lacks the mental toughness of the great fighters. Once hit with a solid punch he tends to stop fighting, then goes into one-punch mode and abandons his onslaught. He has never come back in a fight where he was behind, he has never rallied from a knockdown, something all the great fighters do. Louis was down more often than any heavyweight champion, yet only lost twice in fights where he was knocked down. And in both cases, against Schmeling and Marciano, Louis didn't stay down with the first knockdown. Dempsey rallied after being knocked down twice, once completely out of the ring, in his fight with Luis Firpo. Marciano was dropped twice, by Walcott and Moore, and continued on until he KO'd both men. But if Tyson goes down, Tyson is done.
As Larry Merchant said in comparing Tyson and Fraizer, "Frazier was a mile wide and a mile deep. Tyson is a mile wide and an inch deep."

Marciano Vs Muhammand Ali:
This would have been the best fight of all time, with the best heavyweight boxer against the best heavyweight slugger. It would have been similar to the Ali-Frazier wars, but even more relentless. Frazier was a Marciano-type fighter, but Rocky was stronger than Frazier and could take punches even better. Frazier said that when he watched Ali rope-a-dope Foreman he thought,"He couldn't do that with Rocky Marciano. Marciano would be beating his arms right now until he had to drop them." Ali always had trouble with the swarming, slugger types, and Rocky was the best of that school. If Ali could have kept off the ropes for 15 rounds, and scored enough with his jab, he might take a decision. But in every computer simulation I've seen, such as those run by the boxing magazines, the prediction is that Ali would eventually be caught on the ropes and knocked out. Ali could be hit, and Marciano could hit Very hard. Ali in his prime was almost knocked out by Henry Cooper, who was at best a club fighter. So, I give Ali at best even odds.
The classic boxer's worst foe is the swarmer, and Rocky Marciano was the best swarmer ever to fight in the heavyweight division. Witness Frazier's assault on Ali in their first fight, when Joe was in his prime, and you have a taste of an Ali/Marciano war, but with fatal additions for Ali. Whereas Joe's best weapon was a left hook, Rocky used an equally impressive left hook to set up a more devastating right hand. Since I wrote my first assessment of this fantasy fight in 1997, I've since seen both Frazier and George Foreman place Rocky ahead of Ali on their best heavyweight lists. As great as Ali's endurance and ability to take a punch, neither matched Marciano's and it would be a fight in which Rocky would overwhelm Muhammed with his never ending supply of punches. All Ali's tricks of holding and tying up a foe would fail against a deadly infighter such as Rocky. In fact, clinches would play to Rocky's strong suit with his short arms. If Ali had an edge it would be in his ability to cut an opponent and force an early stoppage.
It's become a recent trend to subscribe to Ali's self-made claim of being the "Greatest", much out of nostalgia or even pity for the shell of Ali we see now. But, the truth is he was often in trouble against smaller fighters. Henry Cooper weighed only 185 pounds and yet dropped him with a left hook. Bob Foster, a very good fighter, was 30 years old and only 180 pounds verses Ali's 221 pounds yet lasted 7 rounds and hurt Ali with a cut that required five stitches. Even though Ali knocked Foster down 7 times, it still required all those knock downs for him to beat the much smaller man.
Another point that's often overlooked in this hypothetical matchup is this; it's always brought up how Ali had the speed and moves of a lighter fighter, such as a middleweight or light heavy, but measure against this the fact that Marciano also fought at a middleweight pace.
So, barring a stoppage on cuts (which Rocky never had happen), I think Marciano would eventually get to Ali.

Marciano Vs Joe Louis:
This one would probably favor Joe Louis. He could box on a par with Ali and he hit much harder. But it must be recalled that he was knocked out by a past-his-prime Max Schmeling while in his prime, so he wasn't unbeatable even then. You can't really judge Louis and Marciano on the fight they did have, as Louis was past his prime and Marciano was a hungry fighter after a title shot. After that fight, Louis did remark that he had never fought anyone who hit as hard as Marciano. I would still favor Louis, but would not have been shocked if Rocky knocked him out.

One point I would like to make is this; Joe himself said several times that he thought in their primes Rocky would have beaten him. In the May, 1990 issue of Boxing Illustrated, Joe Louis was quoted as saying, "very few people knew this, but I had a weakness, a bad weakness. I didn't like to be crowded. And that was Marciano's thing. He always crowded. I knew I could never beat Rocky." Half of any fight is believing you're going to win and if Louis believed he'd lose against The Rock no matter when they fought, then it's very probable he was right.
Charlie Goldman was asked about this very thing after Rocky knocked out an aging Joe Louis and said, "It would have been a shorter fight. A younger Louis would have come after Rocky. And nobody can survive coming to Marciano."

Marciano Vs Dempsey:
This would have been a savage brawl. Neither man ever faced anyone as relentless and punishing as each other. It is possible this fight would have been stopped because one or the other was badly cut or injured in some way. It must be remembered that both men literaly broke bones, Dempsey breaking ribs and cheek bones on Jess Willard and Marciano breaking bones in the arms of Roland Lastarza. If this fight wasn't stopped, someone might have died. I would favor Marciano, because I believe he hit harder, but not by much, and he was never knocked out, whereas Dempsey was while on his way up to the title.

Marciano Vs Foreman:
Though both were knockout artist, with Big George ranking #2 in knockout percentage and Marciano #1, I think stamina would have been the key. Foreman was beat by an aging Ali because, like Tyson, he was tired after 5 or more rounds. If Foreman would have a chance, it would be in the early rounds while he still had snap in his punches, but after 5 or 6, Marciano would have still been hitting just as hard. If Ali could knock out Foreman, I have to believe that Marciano could have done it. In this, I would pick Marciano with a knockout in about the 8th round.

Marciano Vs Larry Holmes:
Holmes best weapon was a superb left jab. However, Marciano never stayed outside where a jab could be effective. I see The Rock bulling through the jab and making it an inside fight, which Holmes would have fought at a disadvantage. I don't think Holmes could have stood up to the kind of mauling he would have taken once his best weapon was neutralized. I see Marciano dropping Holmes by about the 9th round.


Marciano Vs Riddick Bowe:
If his corner people would stay out of the fight, so that all Marciano had to deal with was a lazy, out-of-shape Bowe, I see "Big Daddy" getting knocked out. His poor showings against Golota speak for themselves. I pick Rocky with a knockout somewhere after the 7th round.

Marciano Vs Holyfield:
I greatly respect Holyfield, but I really think Marciano would have been too much for him, just as I feel Louis and Ali would have handily delt with him. He is a great fighter for this era, but I think Rocky would have knocked him out, though I see Holyfield putting up a tremendous effort with all his heart.

Marciano Vs Jack Johnson *:
Despite the high regard given Johnson by some boxing writers, I really don’t see him lasting the distance against Marciano. He fought a lot of small men or inexperienced men and was almost beaten by welterweight Sam Langford who stood only 5’ 8" (Sam would later put on weight and fight as a heavyweight, but as a welter he would have been in the 141-147 range). Langford even knocked him down during the fight, which went to a 15 round decision in Johnson’s favor. Johnson refused to fight Langford or any other black fighters once he was champion. I can’t imagine Rocky Marciano going down from the punch of any welterweight who ever lived. Johnson was also knocked down by middleweight Stanley Ketchel, though he did get up to knock Ketchel out. Though a good boxer with fair power, Johnson would have been unable to hurt Marciano or even keep him at bay. I see Rocky bulling in close and pounding Johnson to the body before moving his attack up to the head and knocking Jack out within 7-8 rounds. As Richard Stockton said in "Who Was the Greatest", "Marciano’s swarming style is made to destroy a boxer like Johnson."

Marciano Vs Gene Tunney *:
Though Tunney was, in my opinion, the best pure boxer of the heavyweight division, he would not fare well against Marciano. He did beat Dempsey twice, which is no small feat, but Jack was past his prime and not in shape for even a 10 round fight. Rocky, on the other hand, was never out of shape. Marciano's aggressive, unrelenting style would have overwhelmed Tunney. I see Gene giving a great boxing exhibition through the early rounds and winning on points, but unable to avoid Rocky's bull-like tactics for the distance. In fairness to Tunney, he was another fighter who never stepped in the ring out of shape, so I don't see him failing due to lack of stamina. Also, Gene Tunney was knocked down the fewest times of any heavyweight champion, going down only once in his career, and that to Dempsey in the famous "Long Count" match. Still and all, I don't believe Tunney would have beat Dempsey in his prime and don't see him beating Marciano, either.

Marciano Vs Sonny Liston*:
Liston was actually well into his career when Rocky retired, having started boxing professionally in 1953. By the time of Rocky’s retirement in Sept. 1955, Sonny had 13 fights under his belt. In 1955 Liston weighed 202-206 and was 6’ 1" tall, so he wouldn’t have dwarfed Marciano. If they’d fought then it would have been a bad mismatch and a gifted but inexperienced Liston would have taken a beating.

Today it’s not unusual for a champion to pick up on young up and coming fighters for another easy title defense, but that type fight didn’t draw in Marciano’s era. Don King and such can hype up such a mismatch today and fool people into thinking Joe Unknown with his record of 12-0 against club fighters is a serious challenge for a champion with 35 fights and 7 years of experience as a pro.

Of course, in these fantasy match-ups I’m talking prime to prime. Liston was a feared fighter. His opponents often succumbed to that fear and were beaten before the bell rang, but Marciano feared nobody. Sonny was strong and had good boxing skills. His jab was effective and might have given Rocky trouble.

However, Liston was a complex man with many personal demons. He was a classic example of the school yard bully who wilts when he meets someone who’s not afraid of him. Against Rocky he’d have met just such an opponent; one who not only wasn’t intimidated but would also hurt him. If he quit so easily against a young Cassius Clay, what would he have done with someone like Marciano, who’s punches actually hurt?

I see Marciano bulling in on Sonny and launching a brutal body attack. The 15-20 extra pounds Liston had don’t equate into greater strength so I expect Rocky to be able to shove him around the ring like he did all other 200+ men he fought. (In fact, like he did everyone he fought) There would be some heavy exchanges for a few rounds but Marciano’s inhuman endurance and never ceasing barrage of punches would take the heart out of Liston by the 8th or 9th round, if not sooner. Somewhere around that time Rocky would land a punch, or three or four, and drop Liston. Maybe he’d get up, maybe not, but if he did the next time down would be the end.

Marciano Vs Lennox Lewis*:
I watched the Lennox Lewis/ Michael Grant fiasco just the other night and was disgusted with what passes for heavyweight champions today. Both men are huge and intimidating in appearance, but in the ring they were clumsy, awkward, and slower than an Income Tax Return.

Rocky was criticized for being clumsy, but he was a talented tap dancer in comparison to what I’m seeing with these monstrous men. Before the first round ended both appeared fatigued. Their punches were shoulder-punches or shoves without anything resembling snap.

Some people like to claim that the smaller heavyweights of the past wouldn’t have a chance against this new breed of heavyweight, but I beg to differ. They’d have the same chance as Dempsey had against Willard. In fact, Dempsey preferred the bigger men because they were so easy to hit.

Watching Lewis and Galotta lumber around the ring, can anyone honestly imagine Ali, Dempsey, Marciano, or Louis losing to such fighters unless they stood still and let them hit them?

Even though Rocky would have given up as much as 60 pounds to Lewis, he would have got inside and pounded the body. If you think Lewis is slow now, wait till he takes a few dozen serious body shots from someone who knew how to hit. If Lewis landed a solid shot he might have dropped Marciano, but it's a saying in boxing that "speed equals power" and his punches just don't have any snap to them. When Ring magazine rated the hardest hitters in boxing history they picked Dempsey, Louis, and Marciano for the heavyweight division. They didn't pick Foreman, despite the weight behind his punches, and Big George was several levels above Lewis.

By the same factors that have allowed the great middleweights to take out the average heavyweights, I believe the great, but smaller, heavyweights would maul these big men of today.
Now that Lewis has officially retired, it's possible to take a look at his career and standing among the greats. As the standard bearer for the "Super Sized Heavyweights", the best of that breed, what has Lennox shown us? He showed that like all the giant heavyweights of the past, he still had more trouble with smaller men. Against equally large men he usually fared very well and had easy fights of it. But against Holyfield, a 6'2" 215 pound heavy, he struggled in two very dismal fights. He had to go the full 12 rounds with Zeljko Mavrovic, who while 6'3" tall, weighed only 214, giving Lennox a weight advantage of 29 pounds. And he was twice KO'd by 6' 2" fighters in Rahman and McCall, neither of which will ever make the Hall of Fame.
Lennox's showing against very average fighters such as Rahman and McCall, and struggles with a great but smaller Holyfield, should give an idea of how he'd fare against the greats of the heavyweight past, despite a size advantage. His slow, cautious style and ordinary-at-best stamina would have made him a prime target for the faster, much more aggressive heavyweight greats of the past.
As they say, "It's not the size of the dog in the fight; it's the size of the fight in the dog."

So basically what I just concluded was Marciano could beat God. Marciano KO God round 7

We have all seen that website lol.. its a little slanted to say the least but provides some good information. Using Henry Cooper as justification for Ali loosing against Marciano and the rumble in the jungle as justification for Maricano beating Foreman indicates this.

Anyway, keep it up tommyhearns... We all need a good laugh.

We have all seen that website lol.. its a little slanted to say the least but provides some good information. Using Henry Cooper as justification for Ali loosing against Marciano and the rumble in the jungle as justification for Maricano beating Foreman indicates this.

Anyway, keep it up tommyhearns... We all need a good laugh.
hey I aint tommy Hearns and I dont want to be, I'm only giving you insightful information that I think can be used to your knowledge in future debates. I dont care who would win I am just putting in input.

I know your not tommy hearns.... it was meant as a seperate comment.. sorry.

I know your not tommy hearns.... it was meant as a seperate comment.. sorry.
i got ya man

God is peaceloving but would tko in 1st second

I figure God would stop Marciano around round 11, cos God would probably have better stamina, cos he's, like, you know... God.

I figure God would stop Marciano around round 11, cos God would probably have better stamina, cos he's, like, you know... God.
Watch your mouth!

tommy hearns u are such an idiot............. btw marciano did fight a black man over 200lb.......he fought 215lb JOE LOUIS

tommy hearns u are such an idiot............. btw marciano did fight a black man over 200lb.......he fought 215lb JOE LOUIS

He fought an OLD black man. Regardless, this thread is stupid in general. God? Why the hell are we bringing God into this? God vs Marciano? Does not make sense.

Louis was far from old when they fought. In boxing terms maybe, but its Joe Louis. He was still great.
But yes, I agree with you.

He fought an OLD black man. Regardless, this thread is stupid in general. God? Why the hell are we bringing God into this? God vs Marciano? Does not make sense.



so wut, that old big black man was still better than most young black men

I say Marciano wud win by right srtaight in round 8 after 1 min and 27.82 seconds

Jesus Christ resurructed Himself from the dead!No way would Marciano be able to knock him out. He had amazing footwork as well. I've never seen anyone walk on water. (Except that Mindfreak Chris Angel, but I'm sure there's an explanation). I heard and read that Jesus was a scary mofo. Demons who had possessed people would be completely expelled by just looking at Him. The staredown in the middle of the ring would give anyone fits, let alone demons. I'm just waiting for the Comeback that he promised...

He fought an OLD black man. Regardless, this thread is stupid in general. God? Why the hell are we bringing God into this? God vs Marciano? Does not make sense.

it makes perfect sense, u never read the bible? well god is in it and idk if they ever measured his psi punch but rockys supposedly could knock out a goat...but yeah i cant beleive this topic is still around, tommys gone :( lol im just playing, but i liked his totally racist topics

so wut, that old big black man was still better than most young black men

That only shows the quality of the competition at the time.