View Full Version : Holyfield vs. Frazier
Jenks88 04-23-2006, 06:54 PM Who do you think would win this one? It would be a hellacious fight, just like Holyfield-Qawi but at heavyweight. Holyfield is more versatile and is an excellent boxer. Frazier is the better puncher. Conditioning and heart are equal, and Holyfield I think has at least a slightly better chin. I'd favor Holyfield slightly, but it wouldn't surprise me if Frazier took it.
Holyfield SD 12 or 15
Southpaw Stinger 04-23-2006, 09:03 PM Frazier by KO.
blockhead 04-23-2006, 09:19 PM Frazier by KO.
i dont think so. holychamp would stay awake for this one.
Southpaw Stinger 04-23-2006, 09:21 PM i dont think so. holychamp would stay awake for this one.
Frazier won't bite anything off Holy and will knock him out late.
Jenks88 04-24-2006, 01:10 AM Frazier would give Holyfield a hard time even if Holyfield used the strategy that beat Tyson, which would be to smother him with punches and tie him up once he got inside. The reason is that even when Frazier gets held he still sneaks in some punches. The guy just never stops punching.
However, if Holyfield can muscle Frazier around and keep him on the backfoot, as he did with Tyson, then Holyfield will give Frazier problems. But, regardless, Frazier is going to be right on top of Holyfield the whole time and I think Holyfield is going to be forced to fight him. I slightly favor Holyfield because he is more versatile and has a better chin, but Frazier is so relentless I can't count him out. It would be an awesome fight.
RockyMarcianofan00 04-24-2006, 01:15 AM Frazier would knock holyfeild out
Holyfeild would put up a good fight trading with frazier occasionally but Frazier's superior power and stamina would eventually wear down and ko holy feild
Frazier KO 10
Yaman 04-24-2006, 07:10 AM After a big battle it ends in a DRAW.
hoppymarciano 04-24-2006, 07:41 AM It would be a good fight, i think a points win for Frazier
King Koyle 04-24-2006, 11:35 AM What a war this would be!!I will go with Frazier on this one.
Although I have nothing to back that up. :confused:
Evander Holyfield would make this one helluva challenge for Joe Frazier with his heart, skill and solid chin. Frazier would have to be at his very best to beat a prime Holyfield.
The Frazier that defeated Muhammad Ali would be victorious I believe. His neverending bombardement of punches and great stamina, would be too much for Holyfield. Frazier was not as easy to hold and push around as were Mike Tyson, and the constant attack would wear Holyfield down.
Joe Frazier by tko12.
Foreman 05-09-2006, 01:39 PM Somebody is going to get seriously hurt in this one. These guys are too evenly matched with absolutely no quit in either of them. In the end, a Frazier left hook lands sending Holy to floor. Although he gets up, the ref steps in to stop the carnage before someone gets killed.
rocco1252 05-09-2006, 03:38 PM I dont see all that great of a fight honestly, Holyfield has a great chin and tremendeous heart but he cant stay with a prime Frazier, Holyfield is no Ali and he's no Foreman he would put up a great fight for a few rounds but in the end it's a Frazier KO toward the middle rounds.
hugh grant 05-09-2006, 03:39 PM Very evenly matched. But i go for Holyfield. Punchs pretty hard and had a second to none chin. Points victory.
THE REAL NINJA 08-20-2006, 11:26 AM Does Frazier have the power to ko Holyfield ? sure he does .But power was never the thing that beat Holyfield size was .If Holy can take hits from Bowe, Tyson, Foreman, Holmes, Lewis, I find it hard to see Frazier taking him out with one shot which is all Holy will let him get at one time . Vander will hold hit then push off the whole fight like he did with Tyson and lets remember that Joe is even smaller then Tyson around [5'10 215lbs] and no where near as strong . With Holy leaning on him all night he will tire quick and a young Vander was good at sticking and moving he was always on his toes.It will all come down to what type of fight Holy makes it but i'll go with holy by a split .
KingDosia 08-25-2006, 08:08 PM Frazier by KO.
How many times have we heard that about a Holyfield apponent?
Can't count that man our for anything
KingDosia 08-25-2006, 08:11 PM I've seen Frazier KO'd by second rate guys. And I've seen Holyfield stand up with the hardest hitting big men the sport has ever seen.
Honestly I think this one goes to the cards and Holyfield wins.
And I wouldn't be suprised to see him ko frazier.
Dempsey 1919 08-30-2006, 06:08 PM Holyfield is not ali. He's not as fast as ali, and his chin is not as good as ali, so frazier will get him in 8.
Hard Boiled HK 08-30-2006, 08:53 PM I've seen Frazier KO'd by second rate guys. And I've seen Holyfield stand up with the hardest hitting big men the sport has ever seen.
Honestly I think this one goes to the cards and Holyfield wins.
And I wouldn't be suprised to see him ko frazier.
You've seen Frazier knocked out by second rate guys? Frazier only lost to Muhammad Ali and George Foreman in his career. Who's second rate, Ali or Foreman? If you think either one of them is second rate then you are a 100% pure dumb shit. Either that, or you are just an idiot taking shit from your toilet and serving it to us on a platter.
phallusy 08-30-2006, 11:01 PM Does Frazier have the power to ko Holyfield ? sure he does .But power was never the thing that beat Holyfield size was .If Holy can take hits from Bowe, Tyson, Foreman, Holmes, Lewis, I find it hard to see Frazier taking him out with one shot which is all Holy will let him get at one time . Vander will hold hit then push off the whole fight like he did with Tyson and lets remember that Joe is even smaller then Tyson around [5'10 215lbs] and no where near as strong . With Holy leaning on him all night he will tire quick and a young Vander was good at sticking and moving he was always on his toes.It will all come down to what type of fight Holy makes it but i'll go with holy by a split .
joe frazier is not smaller than tython, he's half an inch taller ( 5'11 1/2") but in his prime weighs around 205 lbs, later he was much heavier - around 220. frazier had very strong legs. holy had an amazing chin, i don't think frazier could knock him out, i think frazier outworks holy to win a decision
Heckler 08-31-2006, 09:13 AM Frazier wins... definately. Holyfield was not slick nor a great defensive fighter. Holyfield tended to go toe to toe with his opponents and on the inside he would meet a man that had just as much heart, who was more competent at that range, who he couldn't hurt, and who had greater punching power. Frazier is a totally different kettle of fish to Tyson, its a poor comparison... Holyfield was able to use his counterpunching ability and go toe to toe because a) tyson was a mid-range fighter and b) Tyson was a headhunter at the stage in his career. Its clear that Evander doesn't have the ability to go toe to toe with Frazier nor the tools to establish distance. Evander was a very good heavyweight, but i feel he is overrated at this point in time. Heart and courage will only take you so far... this was always Evanders equalizer, but he wouldn't an advantage in heart over Frazier.
Heckler 08-31-2006, 09:41 AM Does Frazier have the power to ko Holyfield ? sure he does
.But power was never the thing that beat Holyfield size was .If Holy
can take hits from Bowe, Tyson, Foreman, Holmes, Lewis, I find it hard
to see Frazier taking him out with one shot which is all Holy will let
him get at one time . Vander will hold hit then push off the whole
fight like he did with Tyson and lets remember that Joe is even smaller
then Tyson around [5'10 215lbs] and no where near as strong . With Holy
leaning on him all night he will tire quick and a young Vander was good
at sticking and moving he was always on his toes.It will all come down
to what type of fight Holy makes it but i'll go with holy by a split
.
Joe was nowhere near as strong as Tyson - Its possible that Joe Frazier
possesed just as much boxing specific strength as Tyson... Its also
possible Tyson possesed more than Frazier, but 'nowhere near as strong'
is a huge exaggeration. Joe Frazier was a natural 200 pounder whom
displayed excellent functional strength in the ring. Joe Frazier was
not easy to clinch at all and his fights with muhammad ali (who had
brilliant functional strength and a great understanding of leverage on
the inside) show this clearly. 'he will tire quick' - The only HW you
could make a case for having more stamina than Joe Frazier is Rocky
Marciano. Joe Frazier applied more pressure then any HW of all time,
his relentless workrate surpassed that of even Rocky Marciano, and he
carried his punching power late into a fight. Ali was leaning on
Frazier all night in the rematch and Frazier showed no signs of
significant fatigue.... and this isn't even the peak, top condition 205
pound Frazier.
a young Vander was good at sticking and moving he was always on his
toes - So was one particular boxer by the name of Muhammad Ali. In
terms of boxing on the backfoot and establishing range no-one not even
Larry Holmes surpassed Ali in this regard. Ali with his amazing ability
to judge and establish range, his blistering handspeed, far greater
reach and ring generalship was not able to keep Frazier off him
sufficently enough to snatch the win... so where would this leave
Holyfield with less suitable characteristics for executing the stick n
move plan? On the canvas in the later rounds. If Holyfield decides go
toe to toe Joe's equal will to win, superior punching power and superb
inside skils give him the win.... if Holyfield decides to move a
relentless Frazier cuts him off, initiates a focused body attack that
systematically brakes him down and puts him in a position to close the
show.
Holyfield is an amazing man with a huge heart and will to win, he
would no doubt put up a brilliant fight but i feel he would come up
short.
Kid Achilles 08-31-2006, 10:16 AM Heckler I agree with you 100% and couldn't say it any better.
dans0123 08-31-2006, 10:49 AM This is a tough one to call. I say Holyfield wins by decision. It would be a war though and I could see Evander hitting the canvas once but still grinding out the victory. His ability to punch while being hurt is incredible and it would go a ways with Frazier who would probably try and finish him. This is just a credit to Holyfield, who I believe matches up well with almost any heavyweight.
hemichromis 08-31-2006, 03:39 PM Heckler I agree with you 100% and couldn't say it any better.
ditto!!!!!!!!!!
T.N.T 09-09-2006, 03:03 PM I can only agree with you great discription
paul750 09-09-2006, 04:14 PM Not sure about Frazier knocking Evander Holyfield out, Holyfield has proven his chin and heart, time and time again, taking shots from huge men like Bowe and Lewis, who are bigger and stronger punchers than Frazier surely. Fraziers left hook was a good one, but at only 205 lbs, holy has taken bigger punches. Evander also fought well when guys came to him. I pick Holyfield.
Hydro 01-10-2007, 07:47 PM Frazier's bodywork would be the difference.
Frazier decision.
ceboxer15 01-10-2007, 08:40 PM Who do you think would win this one? It would be a hellacious fight, just like Holyfield-Qawi but at heavyweight. Holyfield is more versatile and is an excellent boxer. Frazier is the better puncher. Conditioning and heart are equal, and Holyfield I think has at least a slightly better chin. I'd favor Holyfield slightly, but it wouldn't surprise me if Frazier took it.
Holyfield SD 12 or 15
this would be a close fight, I think Frazier wins by SD.
Bob Anomaly 02-22-2007, 01:42 PM Frazier outworks Holyfield.
brownpimp88 02-22-2007, 02:15 PM this would be a close fight, I think Frazier wins by SD.
you pick frazier to beat holyfield, holmes, tyson and marciano. I think we can conclude that ur a nuthugger. There is a reason that he isnt ranked in most top 5, hell most people have him at #9 or 10.
hardhitter17 02-22-2007, 09:34 PM what's so great about this fight? Holyfield is nothing but a blown-up cruiserweight! and Frazier is too short to be a heavyweight! but if i had to choose i would say that Frazier KO's Holyfield in 5 rounds at the most.
ceboxer15 02-22-2007, 09:35 PM you pick frazier to beat holyfield, holmes, tyson and marciano. I think we can conclude that ur a nuthugger. There is a reason that he isnt ranked in most top 5, hell most people have him at #9 or 10.
well, everyone has a different opinion
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