Can you think of any fights where the ref wanted one guy to win over the other and showed it with his crooked officiating?

I think Richard Steele wanted Hearns to win the Hagler fight.

The ref that did the Benn/McClellan fight.

The ref that did Raheem/Juarez

Steele in Taylor/Chavez I

Lewis-Klitschko.

Lewis-Klitschko.

What are you talking about?

leff in whose favour, i think he favourd lewis

and also augustus-burton pure dumness
and mayorga - spinks wanted spinks so badly, that he didn't count a knockdown in what i think the last round.

(there was a hard body shot right after the break, but the ref said no KD)

What are you talking about?

He let LL get away with edge glove punch which forsed the doctor to stop the fight vk was wining

Jay Nady was on Jones's side against Ruiz. Whenever they became close (Jones and Ruiz) Nady was there. He knew Roy wanted to stay outside and Ruiz wanted it inside. Refs shouldn't be biased, if they were we would have special guest Referees like in the WWE/F. Could you see Lewis being the ref in the VK vs HR fight. That could be entertaining.

Refs shouldn't be biased, if they were we would have special guest Referees like in the WWE/F. Could you see Lewis being the ref in the VK vs HR fight. That could be entertaining.

lol, Rahman might actually have a decent chance then

Robin Reid vs. Sven Ottke (Reid's bamboozled expression when the ref actually warned him for hitting his opponent was priceless - most biased ref of all time)

Williams vs. Tyson

Lewis vs. Tyson

Williams vs. Tyson

Lewis vs. Tyson

What? How so? Tyson was clearly owned in both of those bouts.

Robin Reid vs. Sven Ottke (Reid's bamboozled expression when the ref actually warned him for hitting his opponent was priceless - most biased ref of all time)

Williams vs. Tyson

Lewis vs. Tyson

Yeah, I agree

Williams vs. Tyson

Lewis vs. Tyson

What? How so? Tyson was clearly owned in both of those bouts.Two points deducted from Williams in a single round (I've NEVER seen that before... even Tyson only got two points deducted for biting Evander's ear off) plus an excuse (legitimate, but even so...) for a long count.

As for the Lewis one, he spoke to Lewis like crap, but was soothing towards Mike.

He let LL get away with edge glove punch which forsed the doctor to stop the fight vk was wining

Edge glove punch?? He hit Vitali with his glove and opened up his face, nothing wrong with that.

I hope your joking with that edge glove punch bull****, because if your not your a ****ing moron.

Edge glove punch?? He hit Vitali with his glove and opened up his face, nothing wrong with that.

I hope your joking with that edge glove punch bull****, because if your not your a ****ing moron.


definitly, edge glove punch? you mean the end of his fist *******? get off vitali klitoris's dick man

definitly, edge glove punch? you mean the end of his fist *******? get off vitali klitoris's dick man

What are you talking about ***. I'm not the one who said edge glove punch you ****ing homo.

Are you the one who changed my custom title?

Emanuel Augustus vs. Courtney Burton...What a mother ****ing joke-the ref, the state commission, the judges, the fans...everyone had the outcome of that fight predetermined...This was just as bad as Raheem/Juarez...in my mind it was much worse!

Edge glove punch?? He hit Vitali with his glove and opened up his face, nothing wrong with that.

I hope your joking with that edge glove punch bull****, because if your not your a ****ing moron.

No, im not ive seen it so many times.

I hope your joking when you say im a moron for not agreeing with you?

Cause if your not your a ****ing moron.

No, im not ive seen it so many times.

I hope your joking when you say im a moron for not agreeing with you?

Cause if your not your a ****ing moron.

Whatever you say ***... :rolleyes:

Whatever you say ***... :rolleyes:

Oooooh another internett tuff guy.

Oooooh another internett tuff guy.

ooooh another vitali fan who is ****ing blind and dumb. Figure it out moron.

What are you talking about ***. I'm not the one who said edge glove punch you ****ing homo.

Are you the one who changed my custom title?


i was agreeing with you man, relax, no that wasnt me

ooooh another vitali fan who is ****ing blind and dumb. Figure it out moron.


Hey im not the guy who didnt manage to see the edge glove punch.

i was agreeing with you man, relax, no that wasnt me

He insulted the wrong man, what a smart tollerant newbiw we have here

something bout that steele guy... he seems to always to favor one guy more than the other.... taylor shoulda won that fight...

He insulted the wrong man, what a smart tollerant newbiw we have here


i actually try to agree with the guy,and he berates me, nice

The punch definately didn't land flush...I think it opened a cut on VK and then the punch landed so high that the duck tape on the gloves certainly opened it more...

Lewis never threw a good right hand the entire night, everything was wild and you could see it coming...the punch did not land clean-that was for sure.

Raheem/Juarez not dquestions asked

Robin Reid vs Sven Ottke - That was like a tag team fight, Ottke and the ref vs Reid.

Richard steele also wanted Chavez to win against Taylor and it showed.

Richard steele also wanted Chavez to win against Taylor and it showed.
We may as well just say Steele in every fight.

i heard the ref in the pacquaio-nedal hussein took a long time to count pacquaio when he was floored.

ya definately good one

18 seconds!!!!!!!!!

Warrior Spirit its a public forum, so respect everyones opinion

ya definately good one

18 seconds!!!!!!!!!
yeah that's right. 18 seconds. that's crazy.

[QUOTE=Anorak]Robin Reid vs. Sven Ottke (Reid's bamboozled expression when the ref actually warned him for hitting his opponent was priceless - most biased ref of all time)

You beat me to the punch on that one. Sven ottke was nothing but a cheating toerag. I've watched a few of his fights and when the ref wasn't protecting him he was playing the ref at every opportunity. No wonder he didn't want to come out and play with Calzhage. I was really hoping Reid would do a number on Ottke but if your'e not even allowed to hit your'e opponent, what chance do you have?

Lol :D

You're all wrong about Steele, concerning Taylor-Chavez.

Have any of you seen the fight ?
If you did, how can you say Steele was biased against Taylor when he allowed Meldrick to REPEATEDLY hit Chavez below the belt ?

I guess....he let Taylor do that all night long, because he just KNEW he'd get a chance to steal it from Meldrick later in the fight ?
Nonsense.

You just like Chavez..

You're all wrong about Steele, concerning Taylor-Chavez.

Have any of you seen the fight ?
If you did, how can you say Steele was biased against Taylor when he allowed Meldrick to REPEATEDLY hit Chavez below the belt ?

I guess....he let Taylor do that all night long, because he just KNEW he'd get a chance to steal it from Meldrick later in the fight ?
Nonsense.

I watched this for the first time recently and I've no affinity to either fighter. I'd have to agree that Taylor was constantly hitting on the hips, the commentators were even discussing it as a probable tactic of his.

I don't see where the controversy is on the stoppage either, the ref's not the time keeper so he didn't know how long was left and Taylor wasn't responding to him. It's a shame though, he was totally kicking his ass.

You just like Chavez..


Actually....I like them BOTH.

I'm using logic here......If Steele was biased for Chavez, why did he allow Taylor to land so many low blows ?

Besides the MIRACLE stoopage at the end, was there any evidence that Steele was helping Chavez ?

Are we to believe he was paid to stop the fight, in Chavez's favor, as soon as the opportunity presented itself ?
If that was the case.....how come Steele didn't break out with a massive smile of relief when he finally got his chance to collect his payoff....when Chavez came through with the last second heroics ?

BTW....

Steele's worst stoppage ever was when he stopped Tyson-Ruddock I.
Ruddock had not been battered, at all, when Steele stopped the fight. It was one good flurry, Ruddock reeled, & Steele ended it.
This a round after Ruddock had Tyson hurt.

What do you think of that, Jackie ?

robin reid v sven ottke ,
reid got points deducted for hitting ottke. :eek:

every time I watch the end of that Chavez-Taylor fight, it makes me really sad knowing how Taylor ended up as of today. Do I think Steele was in the wrong? Hard to tell. What I think, is that Don King told Steele pre-fight that he would kill him if he did anything unfair to Chavez. And what Steele did SEEMED unfair because of how close it was to the end of the fight, but the fact is, Meldrick didn't answer correctly after standing up and being asked two questions. Just say Steele had let him pass, that would be unfair to Chavez because he didn't answer the question.

yeah, I think Don King had something to do with it, it appears he let Steele know "Make it fair, or I'll have your ass" maybe he didn't even tell him this directly, but it was understood just dealing with Don. Maybe he gave Steele 25 grand just to be fair to Chavez. WHATEVER the case...I am positive Don King had something to do with it, even something as innocent as giving Steele a briefcase of money just to be fair to his fighter. Don is known for throwing money around.

Edited: I cannot believe Meldrick is fighting again this spring. Every time I hear him speak, it reminds me of that Chavez bout.

Jay Nady was on Jones's side against Ruiz. Whenever they became close (Jones and Ruiz) Nady was there.

That's bull**** buddy. Ruiz DOES hold way too much and DOES violate the rules. He SHOULDN'T be allowed to do the things he has done, and when he was made to fight by the rules he got his ass kicked. Nady is fair and he warned Jones for holding in that fight as well.

The most biased ref of all time was in the Zahir Raheem-Rocky Juarez fight...I think his name was Robert Gonzalez.

That's bull**** buddy. Ruiz DOES hold way too much and DOES violate the rules. He SHOULDN'T be allowed to do the things he has done, and when he was made to fight by the rules he got his ass kicked. N


See, that's one of the reasons I admired Tyson back in the day. It wasn't because of his physique, his punching power, or the way everyone feared him. It was because the guy got so mad when someone would try to clinch with him. He'd get PISSED! come up with a sharp left hook in the clinch make his opponents think twice about doin that again..(holmes)

edited: tyson needs to fight ruiz

don't see where the controversy is on the stoppage either, the ref's not the time keeper so he didn't know how long was left and Taylor wasn't responding to him.

It was a HUGE controversy...are you insane, man? There was a red light right behind Meldrick Taylor as he was being counted and Steele is supposed to see that flashing light which tells him there are less than 10 seconds remaining in the fight.

Also, Taylor WAS looking at Steele then Taylor's cornerman jumped on the rope, distracting Taylor just as he was being asked if he was ok. It was obvious that Taylor had turned his head due to someone jumping on the rope but Steele immediately stopped the fight.

A piss poor decision or a clear bias, however you wanna look at it, Meldrick Taylor got robbed.

Robin Reid vs. Sven Ottke (Reid's bamboozled expression when the ref actually warned him for hitting his opponent was priceless - most biased ref of all time)

Williams vs. Tyson

Lewis vs. Tyson

u got that right and I'm happy u mention it, it was outrageous I was rooting so much for reid to KO this so called champion!
also reid was screwed a 2nd time by the judges (as almost always in germany)

It was a HUGE controversy...are you insane, man? There was a red light right behind Meldrick Taylor as he was being counted and Steele is supposed to see that flashing light which tells him there are less than 10 seconds remaining in the fight.

Also, Taylor WAS looking at Steele then Taylor's cornerman jumped on the rope, distracting Taylor just as he was being asked if he was ok. It was obvious that Taylor had turned his head due to someone jumping on the rope but Steele immediately stopped the fight.

A piss poor decision or a clear bias, however you wanna look at it, Meldrick Taylor got robbed.

No I'm not insane man, I just didn't notice the red light or know that there was that system in place. Has Steele ever answered the question as to whether he saw it or not?

Like I said, I couldn't give a **** who won and am totally impartial. Taylor was asked if he was ok before he looked away and then again as he looked away. The guy was totally out of it. He did deserve to win the fight though.

I apologize. I do not know Steele's comments about the red-light, but looking at the tape it seems he doesn't notice it, but it's his job to. About the fight in general he always says he doesn't regret stopping it and that he will stop a fight with one second left if he feels a fighter cannot continue, which makes no damn sense.

I apologize. I do not know Steele's comments about the red-light, but looking at the tape it seems he doesn't notice it, but it's his job to. About the fight in general he always says he doesn't regret stopping it and that he will stop a fight with one second left if he feels a fighter cannot continue, which makes no damn sense.

No problem. If he did see it he should have let it go, there wasn't enough time for him to take any more punishment. If he didn't then he did the right thing. I saw no bias from him during the fight though, he would have warned Taylor for all the hip punches otherwise.

I apologize. I do not know Steele's comments about the red-light, but looking at the tape it seems he doesn't notice it, but it's his job to. About the fight in general he always says he doesn't regret stopping it and that he will stop a fight with one second left if he feels a fighter cannot continue, which makes no damn sense.

it does if you think about it if a fighter has time to lay one more punch on his opoopenet then that could lead to disaster if he was out of it.

theres enough tragedies in the sport already referee's job is plain and clear he must protect the fighters in the ring. Steele did the right thing in my view.

Actually....I like them BOTH.

I'm using logic here......If Steele was biased for Chavez, why did he allow Taylor to land so many low blows ?

Besides the MIRACLE stoopage at the end, was there any evidence that Steele was helping Chavez ?

Are we to believe he was paid to stop the fight, in Chavez's favor, as soon as the opportunity presented itself ?
If that was the case.....how come Steele didn't break out with a massive smile of relief when he finally got his chance to collect his payoff....when Chavez came through with the last second heroics ?

BTW....

Steele's worst stoppage ever was when he stopped Tyson-Ruddock I.
Ruddock had not been battered, at all, when Steele stopped the fight. It was one good flurry, Ruddock reeled, & Steele ended it.
This a round after Ruddock had Tyson hurt.

What do you think of that, Jackie ?

I never seen that fight, but Tyson would have knocked him out eventually. Be it a hook or an uppercut. Ruddock would have gone down one way or the other..

I never seen that fight, but Tyson would have knocked him out eventually. Be it a hook or an uppercut. Ruddock would have gone down one way or the other..

That's not a justifiable reason to stop a fight.

You never saw the fight ?
Please, don't comment on it then.

Tszyu vs. Hatton hahahaha

[QUOTE=Anorak]Robin Reid vs. Sven Ottke (Reid's bamboozled expression when the ref actually warned him for hitting his opponent was priceless - most biased ref of all time)

You beat me to the punch on that one. Sven ottke was nothing but a cheating toerag. I've watched a few of his fights and when the ref wasn't protecting him he was playing the ref at every opportunity. No wonder he didn't want to come out and play with Calzhage. I was really hoping Reid would do a number on Ottke but if your'e not even allowed to hit your'e opponent, what chance do you have?

Lol :DI couldn't believe what I was seeing... I remember afterwards Reid said (have I said this already?) that he wouldn't be able to get a decision against Ottke even if his mum and two best mates were doing the scoring. :)

Every time Ottke was in trouble he pretended he'd been low blowed... even when he was hit in the head.

That's not a justifiable reason to stop a fight.

You never saw the fight ?
Please, don't comment on it then.

Well good thing there was a rematch..

Well good thing there was a rematch..


They were both pretty damn good fights, actually.

Ruddock took a helluva beating in the second fight, but hung through.....& managed to land a lot of excellent shots on Mike.

Steele in Taylor/Chavez I, big time, 5 secounds to go, and he stoped the fight. Taylor won, he got back on his feet, he deserved it.