View Full Version : Greatest Brit?


JuicyJuice
04-16-2006, 11:22 AM
Ted 'Kid'? Jimmy Wilde? Bob Fitzsimmons? Jack Berg? Owen Moran?

Who?

supaduck
04-16-2006, 11:44 AM
Nigel Benn.

Yaman
04-16-2006, 11:52 AM
Uhh, Lennox anyone?

Smashing
04-16-2006, 12:04 PM
Benn is the most exciting Brit, but not the greatest.

Yaman
04-16-2006, 12:07 PM
Yeah, he's very exciting when he's rabbit punching, headbutting or blinding opponents with his dreadlocks.

Smashing
04-16-2006, 12:12 PM
i hear what your saying...every fight was a war..

Smashing
04-16-2006, 12:21 PM
Calzaghe...thats a great reign..

Hous
04-17-2006, 02:06 AM
Lennox Lewis...

I think Calzaghie and Hatton are better than Lewis P4P. But Lewis is greatest.

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EDIT: Just remember that Wilde guy was a brit, hes the greatest no contest. Hes P4P best boxer in history.

Dempsey 1919
04-17-2006, 02:09 AM
Lennox Lewis.

Kid Achilles
04-17-2006, 03:06 AM
P4P, Fitzs easily IMO.

mokele
04-17-2006, 07:18 AM
Bob Fitzsimmons was born too soon. Of course it's hard to take a man outside the time period that he has born into, but just based on pure physical skills he was awesome, a skinny-legged, small-hipped middleweight with the upper body strength and punching power of a heavyweight. He also had the heart of a lion and the patience to match. He might not have had the speed and slick boxing ability of great modern fighters, but he had more than adequate skills for the time period in which he fought. If you took a prime Fitzsimmons and transferred him to modern times there's a strong argument that he would become a middleweight champion, close to the equal of Bernard Hopkins in his prime. I wouldn't go as far as to put him up there with Hagler but some people might consider that quite reasonable.

Sure Lennox Lewis was a great fighter and Calzaghe and Hatton have impressed the boxing world, but pound for pound Fitzsimmons was perhaps even greater.

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/fitz.html
http://coxscorner.tripod.com/Images/fitz1.jpg

From the article:

"There is no question that Fitzsimmons had a heavyweights punching power. In 1893, he knocked out seven men in one night and accomplished the feat in under nineteen rounds. All men weighed over 200 pounds. One stood 6-7 and weighed in at 240 pounds according to Carpenter (1964, p 8). The fact that a middleweight could knock out a man the size of Lennox Lewis demonstrates his worth as a hitter. Fitzsimmons actually defeated top heavyweight contenders Peter Maher, Gus Ruhlin and Tom Sharkey all by knockout."

http://boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=10552

Da Iceman
04-17-2006, 09:38 AM
please refer to my thread in non stop boxing. thanks.

supaduck
04-18-2006, 08:30 AM
Yeah, he's very exciting when he's rabbit punching, headbutting or blinding opponents with his dreadlocks.

I guess the only fight you saw was the McClellan one, as he usually fought quite clean and didnt have dreadlocks.

Yaman
04-18-2006, 09:24 AM
I guess the only fight you saw was the McClellan one, as he usually fought quite clean and didnt have dreadlocks.

Well, he did **** Gerald up with those dirty tactics so i can't like the guy.

JuicyJuice
04-18-2006, 09:45 AM
Well, he did **** Gerald up with those dirty tactics so i can't like the guy.
He ****ed up McClellan with about 100 knockout punches, not with any imaginary headbutt or two slight taps to the back of the head. If you bother to watch Benn's first 22 fights, you'll see that he was able to hit harder than anybody.

McClellan had the best chin I've ever seen, but his chin was too good for his own good.. unfortunately :(

Yaman
04-18-2006, 10:08 AM
He ****ed up McClellan with about 100 knockout punches, not with any imaginary headbutt or two slight taps to the back of the head. If you bother to watch Benn's first 22 fights, you'll see that he was able to hit harder than anybody.

McClellan had the best chin I've ever seen, but his chin was too good for his own good.. unfortunately :(

I don't care how he fought in his other fights, all i know is when he met a lion like Gman in the ring, he was nearly KO'd and had to rabbit punch(And i've seen the fight a lot of times, he did it troughout the fight) headbutt etc. Dirty tactics. Im not saying he was that kind of a fighter, im saying he damaged McClellan for good with that ****.

supaduck
04-18-2006, 11:08 AM
Well I ain't gonna disagree with that but anybody else woulda been knocked out, it's just McClellan's solid chin and heart kept him goin. Too bad what happened to him, but I don't blame Benn, **** he even gave an apology on TV and said about how nobody had ever wanted it to happen, etc. Plus props to Nigel for gettin back into the ring after bein knocked out of it.

oldgringo
04-18-2006, 12:07 PM
Jimmy Wilde...one of the greatest little guys ever. 131-3 (99) who beat pretty much every fighter around his time and had pretty devastating power for such a small guy.

Wasn't he the first real flyweight champ?

Yaman
04-18-2006, 12:15 PM
Well I ain't gonna disagree with that but anybody else woulda been knocked out, it's just McClellan's solid chin and heart kept him goin. Too bad what happened to him, but I don't blame Benn, **** he even gave an apology on TV and said about how nobody had ever wanted it to happen, etc . Plus props to Nigel for gettin back into the ring after bein knocked out of it.


He did? Oh thats cool. Didn't expect that since he seemed ****y after he won. I respect Benn though, great fighter, one of the best brits ever for sure.

supaduck
04-18-2006, 12:39 PM
He was ****y after the fight because he thought G-Man was fine and that the only reason the fight took place was because Don King wanted Benn's name on G-man's record, not to help Benn, and everyone expected G-man to KO him, so it was the highlight of his career.

JuicyJuice
04-18-2006, 01:02 PM
I don't care how he fought in his other fights, all i know is when he met a lion like Gman in the ring, he was nearly KO'd and had to rabbit punch(And i've seen the fight a lot of times, he did it troughout the fight) headbutt etc. Dirty tactics. Im not saying he was that kind of a fighter, im saying he damaged McClellan for good with that ****.
Well, I don't care what weird imaginations you possess and **** you can make up. Fact is, McClellan took a punch at the start of round two that would of knocked out any other fighter (or shall I say had knocked out every other fighter).. and then he took those punches for the rest of the fight! He was brain-damaged probably in the second round, permanently with every shot that landed thereafter.

You don't stand in front of the hardest hitter ever with no guard, for 10 rounds and expect to come out alive.

supaduck
04-18-2006, 03:17 PM
... McClellan hit harder than Benn.

Yaman
04-18-2006, 03:59 PM
Julian Jackson aswell.

supaduck
04-18-2006, 04:48 PM
Yeah Julian was a monster, I heard he was an amazing street fighter, like he just KOed anyone came near him wit one punch.

The_One77
04-18-2006, 07:57 PM
Gerald got brain damage because he kept his hands down and took full blooded punches to the head
Nigel was bobbing and weaving all the time, so it was difficult for Gerald to get a clean hit. His defense was better that night

Verstyle
04-18-2006, 11:46 PM
lennox of course, duh :D

Azteca
04-19-2006, 12:27 AM
easily fitzsimmons. possibly the greatest p4p fighter ever, and the greatest brit.

JuicyJuice
04-19-2006, 03:12 AM
... McClellan hit harder than Benn.
I've never seen any non-heavyweight hit harder than Benn.

JuicyJuice
04-19-2006, 03:12 AM
Julian Jackson aswell.
No, he didn't.

supaduck
04-19-2006, 11:21 AM
They both hit harder than Benn!! Face it!

Yaman
04-19-2006, 11:24 AM
Yes, because you can see the impact of their power when they punched their opponents, it was much harder.

The_One77
04-19-2006, 04:24 PM
Julian Jackson hit harder than Benn

JuicyJuice
04-19-2006, 04:36 PM
They both hit harder than Benn!! Face it!
You've not seen how hard Benn hits. How old are you?

JuicyJuice
04-19-2006, 04:36 PM
Yes, because you can see the impact of their power when they punched their opponents, it was much harder.
Bull****. Benn's punches looked much harder, and how would you know anyway seeing as you haven't seen Benn??

JuicyJuice
04-19-2006, 04:37 PM
Julian Jackson hit harder than Benn
No, he didn't.

He was a better one-punch knockout artist, had some beautiful knockouts. But just could not hit as hard as Benn.

JuicyJuice
04-19-2006, 04:38 PM
Benn was known as the most explosive hitter in the world, and he wasn't labelled that for nothing.

supaduck
05-04-2006, 04:02 PM
Omfg, Jackson's knockouts lasted longer, looked harder etc..

Yaman
05-04-2006, 04:12 PM
Bull****. Benn's punches looked much harder, and how would you know anyway seeing as you haven't seen Benn??

I have seen him display his power for 10 rounds long against Gman. I know enough about his punching power.

JuicyJuice
05-05-2006, 06:31 AM
Omfg, Jackson's knockouts lasted longer, looked harder etc..
Jackson didn't put ANY opponents in hospital, Benn put loads.

JuicyJuice
05-05-2006, 06:33 AM
I have seen him display his power for 10 rounds long against Gman. I know enough about his punching power.
Well, McClellan had the best chin in the history of boxing. So no you don't know anything about Benn's punching power unless you watch his first 22 fights.

Benn was talked about as, pound-for-pound, the hardest hitter in the business. His punches even sounded different than everybody elses.

Southpaw Stinger
05-05-2006, 01:47 PM
Well, McClellan had the best chin in the history of boxing

Your the first person to ever say that..........

supaduck
05-05-2006, 01:55 PM
it's untrue, people have taken worse punishment than he did.

Yaman
05-05-2006, 02:44 PM
He did take everything Benn had to offer. He never really got knocked down too, but the best ever? Possible..

gcropper
06-04-2006, 03:01 PM
what about chris eubank

Hydro
02-13-2007, 05:17 PM
Wilde, Fitzsimmons, Lewis.