I always got this impression. Naz's religion was "in your face" even in a time before anti-Islamism was fashionable.

Hearing the commentary on the Kevin Kelley fight last night there were plenty of between-the-lines digs at Naz's Easternism dressed up as light asides by Merchant.

Did this wind people up?

I always got this impression. Naz's religion was "in your face" even in a time before anti-Islamism was fashionable.

Hearing the commentary on the Kevin Kelley fight last night there were plenty of between-the-lines digs at Naz's Easternism dressed up as light asides by Merchant.

Did this wind people up?


No I dont think it had anything to do with it.

People just hate guys who are ****y.

But they miss them when they're gone..

I hated him because he was a ****y showoff. I want to see that video of him getting rocked by Barrera.

He wasn't ****y after that Catholic Mexican Warrior MAB humbled him.. Naz is a coward with no heart.. All those years he was acting like an asz in thering just shows me it was a front. That was all nervous energy.. Otherwise, he would have tried to avenge his loss to MAB..

I always got this impression. Naz's religion was "in your face" even in a time before anti-Islamism was fashionable.

Hearing the commentary on the Kevin Kelley fight last night there were plenty of between-the-lines digs at Naz's Easternism dressed up as light asides by Merchant.

Did this wind people up?


Picture MAB doing things he does and you'll hate him too. :D

I always got this impression. Naz's religion was "in your face" even in a time before anti-Islamism was fashionable.

Hearing the commentary on the Kevin Kelley fight last night there were plenty of between-the-lines digs at Naz's Easternism dressed up as light asides by Merchant.

Did this wind people up?


I disliked the guy to hell and I didn't even know he was Muslim! Religion has nothing to do with it. It's his ****yness or arrogance that turned people off.

YES it was & plus he was a protected euro ******

YES it was & plus he was a protected euro ******

Whoa, talk about in your face.

[SIZE=4]NO they just hatge him cause
he is a Prick !!!

I mean, the guy was incredible to watch, but he was beyond the point of tolerance when it came to his antics. When did his career end?

I dont think anyone really cares when they're in the ring, as long as they can fight. I always thought the guy was a dick, but i couldnt give a **** about his religion.

This is what happens, to most flashy, exciting boxers, they get hated on, cause people feel excluded, guys hate their popularty. Being ****y is a part of fighting, I'am with Toney when he said something, along the lines of, "how can they let, an ugly midjet write about boxing".

No Brother, his religion doesn't have anyhting to do with me disliking the guy. It's his antics and arrogance in and out of the ring that pisses me off. ;)

I always got this impression. Naz's religion was "in your face" even in a time before anti-Islamism was fashionable.

Hearing the commentary on the Kevin Kelley fight last night there were plenty of between-the-lines digs at Naz's Easternism dressed up as light asides by Merchant.

Did this wind people up?


....I hated him because of his hip/hop showman bull**** style that had no substance. It also didn't help me to like him anymore knowing he was Islamic.

....I hated him because of his hip/hop showman bull**** style that had no substance. It also didn't help me to like him anymore knowing he was Islamic.


Ali was Islamic too and was one of the ****iest, most arogant fighters of all time. I'm starting to see a pattern here

No one hated Naz because of his religion, they hataed him because he was DICK!!

Ali was Islamic too and was one of the ****iest, most arogant fighters of all time. I'm starting to see a pattern here


**** that, naz was a wannabe. MAB exposed him, Naz had talent, but he can't compare himself to Ali - Ali is in a different league, the prince can't hold Ali's jock

I always got this impression. Naz's religion was "in your face" even in a time before anti-Islamism was fashionable.

Hearing the commentary on the Kevin Kelley fight last night there were plenty of between-the-lines digs at Naz's Easternism dressed up as light asides by Merchant.

Did this wind people up?


I didnt like Naz because he is a ****ing jerk off. Thank God for Marco Antonio Barrera.

No one hated Naz because of his religion, they hataed him because he was DICK!!

Amen.

i loved watching barrera throw him to the canvas, hit him after the clinch, and slam his head into the ringpost asking "who's your daddy?"

I'm a massive fan of him as a fighter but even I'd admit that the guy was a total dickhead. It had nothing to do with religion, he didn't even start proclaiming his love of Islam until well into his career and people already disliked him by that time.

Nah, it was just because he was to damn ****y.

I need to see that fight with him and barrera. I have never seen Barrera fight, and i want to see him waste that freakin punk Hassem.

Ali was Islamic too and was one of the ****iest, most arogant fighters of all time. I'm starting to see a pattern here


Oh yes Ali was Islamic too but ****y? Arrogant? Only when promoting his fights . . . after the HYPING period you'll find a quite different ALI. ;)

Damn am I the only one on this site who likes naz......I loved his swagger drama is all ways good for boxing and he was just one funny M-F

I mean, the guy was incredible to watch, but he was beyond the point of tolerance when it came to his antics. When did his career end?

pfff just incredibly powerful(which is a lot already) but always off balance, limited technically and just a deep *******

....I hated him because of his hip/hop showman bull**** style that had no substance. It also didn't help me to like him anymore knowing he was Islamic.

so u are a kind of racist aren't you?
personally I'm not interested in any kind of religion but I don't discriminate people(except fanatics of course) based on this coz it's just something personal
please don't spread **** like that

most of it was because of his ****y attitude.

What do you mean Naz is Islamic? I think you better take another look because I always thought he was black...............



Stupid question...........but I'm gonna answer it for real now.

WE LOVE and / or HATE Naz because he's a DICK! Period!

i shouted for MAB when they fought due to the fact he was a ****y arrogant ****, but I have to take issue with some of the things said on this thread, he was not a protected fighter nor a bum, he held the WBC WBO and IBF belts in the 90's do your research you ignorant joke. Keep embarassing yourself idiot.

He was undoutedly the featherweight of the 90's universally acclaimed as so.

He was way past his peak when he fought barerra, not in terms of age but in retrospect in his career, he had split fomr his trainer and long term mentor Brendon Ingle and was never the same fighter. In a similar way as tyson wasnt post Cus passing away.

He started to believe his own hype and while he was soundly beaten by MAB it would have been interesting to have seen him in with Marco while he was still with Ingle.

I couldnt stand Hamed, but you shouldnt let his personality get in the way when judging his undoubted talent.

"Was the fact that Naz was so forcefully Islamic a large part of people disliking him?"

:eek: Hell no!

no way. he's just a jerk. mundine is the same

I never had a problem with those practicing Islam, until Hamed showed up.
I dislike Muslims because of Hamed, not the other way around.....lol.

so u are a kind of racist aren't you?
personally I'm not interested in any kind of religion but I don't discriminate people(except fanatics of course) based on this coz it's just something personal
please don't spread **** like that


....Yes, your right there is absolutely nothing to dislike about Islamics. They are a peace loving non violent religion that places women on a pedastal and would never stoop to acts of terror. Hell, all of the problems in the middle east have nothing to do with Muslims at all. In fact, I think it was white anglo's that downed the twin towers. STFU and put the towel back on your head.

....Yes, your right there is absolutely nothing to dislike about Islamics. They are a peace loving non violent religion that places women on a pedastal and would never stoop to acts of terror. Hell, all of the problems in the middle east have nothing to do with Muslims at all. In fact, I think it was white anglo's that downed the twin towers. STFU and put the towel back on your head.

You may as well include Catholics too then, what with the IRA and all. :rolleyes:

....Yes, your right there is absolutely nothing to dislike about Islamics. They are a peace loving non violent religion that places women on a pedastal and would never stoop to acts of terror. Hell, all of the problems in the middle east have nothing to do with Muslims at all. In fact, I think it was white anglo's that downed the twin towers. STFU and put the towel back on your head.

LOL!! uhh ohh! You better watch out pbds they might try to chop your head off, or call you an infidel if you have a different viewpoint then theirs. It feels good to know that if I tried to talk about my God in an Islamic country that I could get my hand chopped off or even executed, yet my country and its citizens give more to Tsunamia aid than any other nation. Oh yeah I forgot, Saudi Arabia gave a whopping 10 million. Go ahead flame away Allah nuthuggers

Hamed was, is, and always will be a dickhead. I live near his home city and have seen him in his Aston. I knew it was him from the reg plate. You couldn't see his face, just the top of an oversize head sticking over the top of the steering wheel. He won due to his reflexes but it was a great day when MAB kicked his arse, and no ammount of skill excuses him being a dickhead.

Lol

I didn't really think too much of how he handled himself, and that was before I ever knew he was a Muslim.

I guess it should be divided into two categories:
-how someone is personally, or how they act
-how they are in the ring

Musilms in the ring:
Danny Williams
Prince Hamed
Mohammed Ali

well, I don't know too much about Ali, but at times he was a arrogant boxer, but in life, as far as I know, he was a good man.
Danny Williams, hasn't impressed me in the ring too much, outside of it, he seems to be a nice guy, maybe said a thing or two he shouldn't have, but that's prolly due to his flamboyant trainer.
Prince Hamed... well, way arrogant, so didn't really like how he carried himself, BUT was a good boxer in the ring

(wow, I loved watching MAB beat him up, even if only due to the way that the Prince entered the ring.. I won't give it away for those trying to see the fight (if that parr is even included)

Anorak, I'm guessing that you are a Muslim from maybe India or Pakistan and you like to support boxers that share similarities with you?
If so, I can dig it... Many of the boxers that share my faith, I do not care for as boxers (even though I think my favorites believe in my religion). But I do respect them as people, such as Chris Byrd... look at when he fought McCline. After, they both prayed and showed sportsmanship, that's cool. But I don't perfer them or dislike them due to their religion (even though it's almost inevitable at some point to favor one of your own faith over one of another)

so, it's doubtful that most who disliked him only did it due to his religion..

wow, i'm long-winded today :p

LOL!! uhh ohh! You better watch out pbds they might try to chop your head off, or call you an infidel if you have a different viewpoint then theirs. It feels good to know that if I tried to talk about my God in an Islamic country that I could get my hand chopped off or even executed, yet my country and its citizens give more to Tsunamia aid than any other nation. Oh yeah I forgot, Saudi Arabia gave a whopping 10 million. Go ahead flame away Allah nuthuggers


....A smart new member that deserves some Karma. :)

You may as well include Catholics too then, what with the IRA and all. :rolleyes:


....Yeah nice try but no comparison pal.

....Yeah nice try but no comparison pal.

Tell that too the families of the little kids blown up in Warrington.

Tell that too the families of the little kids blown up in Warrington.


....So whats your point? Is the IRA a terrorist organization? Hell yeah they are. Are Irish extremists commiting acts of terror all over the planet on a daily basis? are they plotting the downfall and death of infidels daily? Are they involved in a religion that makes women a little more than an animal? Hell no!! Your confusing a small group of IRA with the general mindset of 100's of millions of people. Like I said, nice try but no cigar.

So noraid never funded the IRA then. The big paddy day parades in the 70s and 80s none of that money funded weapons for the IRA? Mate the US govt used to help fund the friggin IRA.

one thinks people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones.


Terrible though the events of 9/11 were, its not fair to lable muslims as terrorists anymore than it was for us to do so with the Irish - just cos your catholic Irish doesnt make you a member of the IRA any more than just cos you are muslim makes you al queda. There are very pertinent comparisons.

This is a new thing for america what you forget is the English lived with the threat of terrorism for 30 years plus prior to 9/11. Its all a nightmare and you have my sympathies we all must pull together but to brand one section of the world population as responsible is not the way forward.

Anyway i thought this was a boxing website.

....So whats your point? Is the IRA a terrorist organization? Hell yeah they are. Are Irish extremists commiting acts of terror all over the planet on a daily basis? are they plotting the downfall and death of infidels daily? Are they involved in a religion that makes women a little more than an animal? Hell no!! Your confusing a small group of IRA with the general mindset of 100's of millions of people. Like I said, nice try but no cigar.

The principal's the same. It's just plain ignorant to say that any more than a tiny percentage of the muslim population of the world are mad fundamentalists, just as it would be to tar all catholics with the same brush. There's crazy fanatical sects within every religion, not just Islam. I take it that you dislike Ali and Tyson too then for the same reason?

Terrible though the events of 9/11 were, its not fair to lable muslims as terrorists anymore than it was for us to do so with the Irish - just cos your catholic Irish doesnt make you a member of the IRA any more than just cos you are muslim makes you al queda. There are very pertinent comparisons.

This is a new thing for america what you forget is the English lived with the threat of terrorism for 30 years plus prior to 9/11. Its all a nightmare and you have my sympathies we all must pull together but to brand one section of the world population as responsible is not the way forward.

Anyway i thought this was a boxing website.


LOL

all nations have had to deal with it for the last 30 years..

the answers lay with the founders of the religions, in the scriptures and their instruction to the followers. who is obeying their prophet, who isn't....

The principal's the same. It's just plain ignorant to say that any more than a tiny percentage of the muslim population of the world are mad fundamentalists, just as it would be to tar all catholics with the same brush. There's crazy fanatical sects within every religion, not just Islam. I take it that you dislike Ali and Tyson too then for the same reason?


studies show that around 15% of the world's Muslim population support the mission of the extremists. Calculated to around 200 million people.


Tyson and Ali were characters :) and great boxers too!
God loves them, so how can I dare hate them?

yes you are correct all natons have lived under repression and the threat of terrorism at some point in their history although i was talking about the direct comparison between the ira and al queda.

studies show that around 15% of the world's Muslim population support the mission of the extremists. Calculated to around 200 million people.


Tyson and Ali were characters :) and great boxers too!
God loves them, so how can I dare hate them?


and what percentage of the christian west seems to think most muslims are terrrorist or supporters of terrorism, jusdging by this thread more than 15%.

so there we are back at square one. :eek: :rolleyes:

until we learn to get along irrespective of creed, race, religion, there are always going to be such issues.

....So whats your point? Is the IRA a terrorist organization? Hell yeah they are. Are Irish extremists commiting acts of terror all over the planet on a daily basis? are they plotting the downfall and death of infidels daily? Are they involved in a religion that makes women a little more than an animal? Hell no!! Your confusing a small group of IRA with the general mindset of 100's of millions of people. Like I said, nice try but no cigar.

Im curious, what do you think of all the millions of peaceful, intelligent muslim women, , the doctors, teachers and mothers, who love their religion. Not because they are forced to, but because they believe it is the right faith for them?

studies show that around 15% of the world's Muslim population support the mission of the extremists. Calculated to around 200 million people.


Tyson and Ali were characters :) and great boxers too!
God loves them, so how can I dare hate them?

I struggle to see where those figures could have come from with any accuracy but who am I to say they're wrong. If people want to dislike Naz because they think he's a terrorist then let them, they're only embarassing themselves.

and what percentage of the christian west seems to think most muslims are terrrorist or supporters of terrorism, jusdging by this thread more than 15%.

so there we are back at square one. :eek: :rolleyes:

until we learn to get along irrespective of creed, race, religion, there are always going to be such issues.

It doesn't matter if 90% of the "Christian west" thinks muslims are terrorists, what matters is are they killing them? Are they oppressing them? Are they forcing them to convert? Of course the west is ignorant to much of the world's activities, aren't we brainwashed by media as earthlings?

until we learn to get along? How is this possible when there is a religion that says it will not be fulfilled until the Jews and the state of Israel are exterminated?

It doesn't matter if 90% of the "Christian west" thinks muslims are terrorists, what matters is are they killing them? Are they oppressing them? Are they forcing them to convert? Of course the west is ignorant to much of the world's activities, aren't we brainwashed by media as earthlings?

until we learn to get along? How is this possible when there is a religion that says it will not be fulfilled until the Jews and the state of Israel are exterminated?

According to you're stats, 85% of that religion do want to get along.

As for Naz, his way of ridiculing and humiliating his opponent (e.g steve robinson)in front of thier family and friends, for the amusement of the crowd, and to be a 'showman', proved he didnt respect the sport and the years of dedicated hard training it takes to earn decent money while risking your life/health in the ring.
He was exciting but became too rich and lazy, and despite what he preached, had absolutly none of the qualities it takes to become a 'great' fighter.

Basically, he was full of ****!

If people want to dislike Naz because they think he's a terrorist then let them, they're only embarassing themselves.

I just didn't care for how he carried himself, i.e. his grand entrance against MAB, etc..
but I've never met the guy, so I can't really tell how he is personally to friends and such..
but if I dislike him, it won't be because of his religion..
:)

According to you're stats, 85% of that religion do want to get along.

You're exactly right!
Thank God for that. I happen to personally know many of them.
The danger lies where if they disagree with their scriptures and try to go against them, then can be labeled as 'apostates' and be in danger of being murdered according to those same scriptures..

but as they say, can't we all just get along?
and 'give peace a chance'?

I just didn't care for how he carried himself, i.e. his grand entrance against MAB, etc..
but I've never met the guy, so I can't really tell how he is personally to friends and such..
but if I dislike him, it won't be because of his religion..
:)

Me neither to be honest. I found his whole persona hilarious because I think he genuinely believed he was being cool.

Me neither to be honest. I found his whole persona hilarious because I think he genuinely believed he was being cool.

I guess you gotta give him credit for living it up, playing the part, and leaving his mark... it's not easy to forget a sports character like that :p

I guess you gotta give him credit for living it up, playing the part, and leaving his mark... it's not easy to forget a sports character like that :p

He's a legend.....for all the wrong reasons. :D

As for Naz, his way of ridiculing and humiliating his opponent (e.g steve robinson)in front of thier family and friends, for the amusement of the crowd, and to be a 'showman', proved he didnt respect the sport and the years of dedicated hard training it takes to earn decent money while risking your life/health in the ring.
He was exciting but became too rich and lazy, and despite what he preached, had absolutly none of the qualities it takes to become a 'great' fighter.

Basically, he was full of ****!


Well said you sexy Brit. :D

Again I Think You Guys Need To Evaluate Pre And Post Ingle.

yeah, you're probably right..
a coach, trainer, mentor, etc definitely has a lot to do with someone's outlook, attitude, and overall character.

in fact this thread is a bit stupid as Naz fought MAB in april 2001

before 9/11 i think its been only really since then that islam has been a bone of contention.

so in aswwer to the question no, doesnt make one iota of difference.

in fact this thread is a bit stupid as Naz fought MAB in april 2001

before 9/11 i think its been only really since then that islam has been a bone of contention.

so in aswwer to the question no, doesnt make one iota of difference.

I was just thinking the same thing mate.

cheers bro, hatton tickets out tomorrow. :D

....Yes, your right there is absolutely nothing to dislike about Islamics. They are a peace loving non violent religion that places women on a pedastal and would never stoop to acts of terror. Hell, all of the problems in the middle east have nothing to do with Muslims at all. In fact, I think it was white anglo's that downed the twin towers. STFU and put the towel back on your head.

Man there would be tons of stuffs to say about such a great display of ignorance and total stupidity...u are melting a religion and its fanatic supporters, ie islamic and islamism.get it ? probably not...personally I don't give a damn about any religion in particular I don't have any, but u know what just go to school read a little bit about the history of the world, all the wars of religions waged by fanatics from any kind of religion since 1500 years ago.
to write comments like "stfu and put the towel back" are u from the kkk or some skinhead right extremist group?
just go to school or go buy yourself a brain and then try to say something smart.
Until then YOU shut the **** up

LOL!! uhh ohh! You better watch out pbds they might try to chop your head off, or call you an infidel if you have a different viewpoint then theirs. It feels good to know that if I tried to talk about my God in an Islamic country that I could get my hand chopped off or even executed, yet my country and its citizens give more to Tsunamia aid than any other nation. Oh yeah I forgot, Saudi Arabia gave a whopping 10 million. Go ahead flame away Allah nuthuggers

I really doubt you have ever stepped out of your contry...you'd better learn a bit before making such stupid comments, you just sound a idiot

Man there would be tons of stuffs to say about such a great display of ignorance and total stupidity...u are melting a religion and its fanatic supporters, ie islamic and islamism.get it ? probably not...personally I don't give a damn about any religion in particular I don't have any, but u know what just go to school read a little bit about the history of the world, all the wars of religions waged by fanatics from any kind of religion since 1500 years ago.
to write comments like "stfu and put the towel back" are u from the kkk or some skinhead right extremist group?
just go to school or go buy yourself a brain and then try to say something smart.
Until then YOU shut the **** up

Pinaldino,

That was a great rant you just made.. Try telling that to AL Zarqawi and see if it prevents him from killing you or your family if you ever encounter him.. History has shown us that you cannot be diplomatic with Muslims they only understand force. When you use force with them and kick their asz they change their tune. When Egypt attcked Israel in the late 60's, Israel beat the crap out of them, now Egypt doesnt even look at Israel the wrong way. Kaddafi has changed his tune after Reagan almost took his head off with a missile after Moammars killing of many innocents via terrorist activity!! When Prince naseem was ****y and arrogant it took a Catholic Mexican Warrior to beat the false manhood out of him..

Yeah man!! :D I just phoned them. The tickets are £50-£300 and go on sale Thursday at 9am but you might be able to get them off the website earlier.

Pinaldino,

That was a great rant you just made.. Try telling that to AL Zarqawi and see if it prevents him from killing you or your family if you ever encounter him.. History has shown us that you cannot be diplomatic with Muslims they only understand force. When you use force with them and kick their asz they change their tune. When Egypt attcked Israel in the late 60's, Israel beat the crap out of them, now Egypt doesnt even look at Israel the wrong way. Kaddafi has changed his tune after Reagan almost took his head off with a missile after Moammars killing of many innocents via terrorist activity!! When Prince naseem was ****y and arrogant it took a Catholic Mexican Warrior to beat the false manhood out of him..

god help us all, mankind is doomed. :(

Pinaldino,

That was a great rant you just made.. Try telling that to AL Zarqawi and see if it prevents him from killing you or your family if you ever encounter him.. History has shown us that you cannot be diplomatic with Muslims they only understand force. When you use force with them and kick their asz they change their tune. When Egypt attcked Israel in the late 60's, Israel beat the crap out of them, now Egypt doesnt even look at Israel the wrong way. Kaddafi has changed his tune after Reagan almost took his head off with a missile after Moammars killing of many innocents via terrorist activity!! When Prince naseem was ****y and arrogant it took a Catholic Mexican Warrior to beat the false manhood out of him..

it also took a few white catholics to invade waht is now USA and genocide the indians then put the black under slavery, go to australia and genocide its people, should I continue with south africa and the appartheid? But reading you and your nazi-like "false manhood" I'm thinking after all you are also approving those stuffs. mixing up muslim and fanatics will just lead to a war of civilization.
I'm just willing to talk boxing I don't want to start a fight about this but I am truly stunned by your comments.
people like al zarqawi are just willing to spread the hatred towards muslims in order to energize their frustrations (of being misunderstood and compared with fanatics) and make the west and eastern world clash into a war. By talking like this, you are a very good advocate of Al Zarqawi.
If you cannot undersatnd this, just travel a bit troughout the world, forget a bit what you have always thought good and right (and taken for granted without just thinking about it) and just open your eyes to the dramatic mistakes you are making.
Comparing al zarqawi and muslimns in general is like comparing any white american and the KKK.

it also took a few white catholics to invade waht is now USA and genocide the indians then put the black under slavery, go to australia and genocide its people, should I continue with south africa and the appartheid? But reading you and your nazi-like "false manhood" I'm thinking after all you are also approving those stuffs. mixing up muslim and fanatics will just lead to a war of civilization.
I'm just willing to talk boxing I don't want to start a fight about this but I am truly stunned by your comments.
people like al zarqawi are just willing to spread the hatred towards muslims in order to energize their frustrations (of being misunderstood and compared with fanatics) and make the west and eastern world clash into a war. By talking like this, you are a very good advocate of Al Zarqawi.
If you cannot undersatnd this, just travel a bit troughout the world, forget a bit what you have always thought good and right (and taken for granted without just thinking about it) and just open your eyes to the dramatic mistakes you are making.
Comparing al zarqawi and muslimns in general is like comparing any white american and the KKK.

correct please learn from this man, terrorist breed on fear hatred and prejudice, by being prejudiced you are helping terrorism....come on its as plain as the nose on your face.

YES it was & plus he was a protected euro ******


Good Word: Euro ******

why dont ya go back to your mobile home and suck your mums ****.

and dont be so offensive. :D

correct please learn from this man, terrorist breed on fear hatred and prejudice, by being prejudiced you are helping terrorism....come on its as plain as the nose on your face.


LOL!!! You're right terrorists breed on fear. My country will never negotiate with terrorists or let them influence elections (ie Spain for example with the train bombing). Europeans are weak. History has shown us this.. They pacify terrorism now, just as they pacified Hitler as he was establishing his power. Maybe one day you Euro-Weenies will grow up and understand that terrorists dont respect diplomacy, they only respect force. That is the only way to defeat them. If you Euro-Weenies wanna live in LA LA land go ahead.

LOL!!! You're right terrorists breed on fear. My country will never negotiate with terrorists or let them influence elections (ie Spain for example with the train bombing). Europeans are weak. History has shown us this.. They pacify terrorism now, just as they pacified Hitler as he was establishing his power. Maybe one day you Euro-Weenies will grow up and understand that terrorists dont respect diplomacy, they only respect force. That is the only way to defeat them. If you Euro-Weenies wanna live in LA LA land go ahead.

Terrorist breed on poverty and frustration. are u going to genocide the whole palestinians to stop the suicide bombers or instead be a bit smart and try to make the people have a less miserable life so they don't want to sacrfice it to kill blindly people they don't even know?
"europeans are weak" ...u are fantastic man, it just reminds me how good it is to have been to school, and traveled in many countries (including islamic countries) and just be a man.
you must be just a boy, please grow up

LOL!!! You're right terrorists breed on fear. My country will never negotiate with terrorists or let them influence elections (ie Spain for example with the train bombing). Europeans are weak. History has shown us this.. They pacify terrorism now, just as they pacified Hitler as he was establishing his power. Maybe one day you Euro-Weenies will grow up and understand that terrorists dont respect diplomacy, they only respect force. That is the only way to defeat them. If you Euro-Weenies wanna live in LA LA land go ahead.

yeah cos we just rolled over when our calls for help fell on deaf ears for ****ing two years, god bless america :rolleyes:

yeah cos we just rolled over when our calls for help fell on deaf ears for ****ing two years, god bless america :rolleyes:

He's got a point though mate. Japan were straight in there in Afghanistan and Iraq showing us the way. :rolleyes:

Terrorist breed on poverty and frustration. are u going to genocide the whole palestinians to stop the suicide bombers or instead be a bit smart and try to make the people have a less miserable life so they don't want to sacrfice it to kill blindly people they don't even know?
"europeans are weak" ...u are fantastic man, it just reminds me how good it is to have been to school, and traveled in many countries (including islamic countries) and just be a man.
you must be just a boy, please grow up


Hey Pin head your rants are unvirtuous to say the least.. Maybe when you get a mind of your own instead of repeating phrases such as "Terrorism breeds on poverty and frustration" you'll understand the serious threat that terrorism is to the world.. FACT.. 15 of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 were from affluent Saudi families.. Doesn't sound like poverty to me!!

Terrorist breed on poverty and frustration. are u going to genocide the whole palestinians to stop the suicide bombers or instead be a bit smart and try to make the people have a less miserable life so they don't want to sacrfice it to kill blindly people they don't even know?
"europeans are weak" ...u are fantastic man, it just reminds me how good it is to have been to school, and traveled in many countries (including islamic countries) and just be a man.
you must be just a boy, please grow up




You cannot appease terrorists. In the end all you would have is cleaner, smarter , better fed terrorists. Muslim exteremists are not going to quit being Muslim extremists just because their quality of life improves.

How did this thread turn so political? Haseem is obviously not a terrorist. Just an idiot.

Terrorist breed on poverty and frustration. are u going to genocide the whole palestinians to stop the suicide bombers or instead be a bit smart and try to make the people have a less miserable life so they don't want to sacrfice it to kill blindly people they don't even know?
"europeans are weak" ...u are fantastic man, it just reminds me how good it is to have been to school, and traveled in many countries (including islamic countries) and just be a man.
you must be just a boy, please grow up

While I do agree with most of what Soko is saying regarding the current world scene, maybe I can discuss it more calmly ;)

About Palestine.. mothers there dream all of their child's lives about them growing up and becoming martyrs through suicide bombings.. even if you offered them millions, they wouldn't give it up for the world, it's their entrance into paradise (or so they've been brainwashed by Arafat) and speaking of millions of dollars... if the Muslims in Saudi Arabia were so caring of the Palestinians, why don't they just give their Muslim brothers some of the Millions of acres of land and some of their billions of dollars.. why not? because they are using the Palestinians to fight against Israel, their biggest enemy.

I have traveled outside my country often, as a matter of fact, I'm outside of it now. Whereas I do understand what you talk about regarding being enlightened on things that aren't shown or understood within the US, what Soko says about the beheadings and the inability to witness Christianity in many Islamic lands is true and will only get worse, as the Bible predicts for End Times.

Despite all of this, I hate no one, just because we are opinionated and want peace, yet speak our minds (even sometimes harshly) doesn't mean we hate the people themselves...

You cannot appease terrorists. In the end all you would have is cleaner, smarter , better fed terrorists. Muslim exteremists are not going to quit being Muslim extremists just because their quality of life improves.

That's the key word appease...

as soon as the Terrorists want anything from Spain, they've got it and they know it.. due to the appeasement factor.

i dislike anyone who is forcefully religious, i don't care who it is. but it's just another reason for me to dislike him... one of many.....

if u could stop being full of hate and then stop looking at the world through the glasses ur government put on your nose maybe you could understand a bit what I'm saying.
My country has been striked by terrorist islamist also, and way before it happened in nyc, so stopped thinking u are the center of the world.
and I understand very well what threat terrorism is to the world, coz I see it right there in your speach: terrorist have already succeded in brainwashing people like you and make them confuse many things and finally hate muslims in general. so what do you suggest next? eliminate all muslims from earth ? is that it?

it also took a few white catholics to invade waht is now USA and genocide the indians then put the black under slavery, go to australia and genocide its people, should I continue with south africa and the appartheid? But reading you and your nazi-like "false manhood" I'm thinking after all you are also approving those stuffs. mixing up muslim and fanatics will just lead to a war of civilization.
I'm just willing to talk boxing I don't want to start a fight about this but I am truly stunned by your comments.
people like al zarqawi are just willing to spread the hatred towards muslims in order to energize their frustrations (of being misunderstood and compared with fanatics) and make the west and eastern world clash into a war. By talking like this, you are a very good advocate of Al Zarqawi.
If you cannot undersatnd this, just travel a bit troughout the world, forget a bit what you have always thought good and right (and taken for granted without just thinking about it) and just open your eyes to the dramatic mistakes you are making.
Comparing al zarqawi and muslimns in general is like comparing any white american and the KKK.
just wanted to say it was british protestants that committed genocide on the indians of n.america and the spanish catholics that invaded mexico

If u hate no one then don't backup people who spread hateful messages like ur little buddy soko. It started about a fighter and then some really stupid people started to say very racist things which is not acceptable in any case. and these same people can only insult in return when they are questioned about their opnion

if u could stop being full of hate and then stop looking at the world through the glasses ur government put on your nose maybe you could understand a bit what I'm saying.
My country has been striked by terrorist islamist also, and way before it happened in nyc, so stopped thinking u are the center of the world.
and I understand very well what threat terrorism is to the world, coz I see it right there in your speach: terrorist have already succeded in brainwashing people like you and make them confuse many things and finally hate muslims in general. so what do you suggest next? eliminate all muslims from earth ? is that it?

who is it that you are talking to?

To soko in page 8
for some reason his thread didn't appear
I'm tired of this bull**** let's be reasonable and stick to boxing

Part of the reason he retired was that he was worried about anti-Islamic prejudice following the 9-11.

Part of the reason he retired was that he was worried about anti-Islamic prejudice following the 9-11.



That is pretty weak. His religion would be better served to have someone of his celebrity stand up for it as a peaceful loving faith.

If u hate no one then don't backup people who spread hateful messages like ur little buddy soko. It started about a fighter and then some really stupid people started to say very racist things which is not acceptable in any case. and these same people can only insult in return when they are questioned about their opnion

I don't remember seeing anything (or at least saying) racist...
who said anything about race?

I'm not backing up hate.. Terrorism doesn't give anyone the right to discriminate, to hate, or to spread fear (even though the Quran calls for it's followers to 'strike fear in the hearts of the unbelievers')... BUT it does call for us all to look into what drives them, look into what their aim is, look into what we face if something isn't done about it, look into their beliefs, look into what we need to do to prepare for the future.

I can understand how someone can get easily jaded and then have an attitude like one of Soko... he has his reasons I'm sure, to each their own...

That is pretty weak. His religion would be better served to have someone of his celebrity stand up for it as a peaceful loving faith.
But then again he had a million reasons why he retired.

then read again pbds and soko comments about a "catholica warrior taking out of hamed his false manhood" and any other comments stating that muslims = terrosrists. This is racist, period

then read again pbds and soko comments about a "catholica warrior taking out of hamed his false manhood" and any other comments stating that muslims = terrosrists. This is racist, period

I'm sorry my friend, but I fail to see anything in the statements above that involves race...

there are catholicsthat are white, black, arab, asian, etc
the same holds true with muslims and with terrorists


????
:confused:

I should have said "discrimination based on religious confession"
ok ok ..I could have said racism about discrimination for sexual prference also.
I agree with what u just said, so it's racism towards islam so it's ok for you? millions of muslim people (and many of close friends so I know what I'm talking about) are just normal, tolerant , sensitive, smart...the opposite of terrorism. I feel personally insulted when I read that they have a"false manhood side"

I always got this impression. Naz's religion was "in your face" even in a time before anti-Islamism was fashionable.

Did this wind people up?

Anti-Islam pre-dates Naz's days by about 1000 years.

Fair-skinned folk of European heritage generally have some form of "belly reaction" when faced with any display of ethnicity that is not European, particularly if it relates to the "miltant" aspect of any faith, but particularly the Muslim faith.

Naz was playin' everybody with the Islam stuff, including his own "people", whoever they might be on a given day.

I should have said "discrimination based on religious confession"
ok ok ..I could have said racism about discrimination for sexual prference also.
I agree with what u just said, so it's racism towards islam so it's ok for you? millions of muslim people (and many of close friends so I know what I'm talking about) are just normal, tolerant , sensitive, smart...the opposite of terrorism. I feel personally insulted when I read that they have a"false manhood side"

Let me go on the books as saying it is NEVER acceptable to be racist OR to discriminate against ANYONE for ANY reason including religion.

I was merely stating that I don't think this conversation has been one about race, more about religion.

I may not agree with certain ideologies, but people themselves are simply victims of ideologies, they deserve to be loved and shown the truth, even if they are terrorists.

but people themselves are simply victims of ideologies, they deserve to be loved and shown the truth, even if they are terrorists.

you can't "un-brainwash" a kamikaze pilot. he's gonna kill himself for his cause, unprogramming that would be impossible

Ok I get your point
as for Naz wans't he the topic, I could never stand him because of his attitude, in particular his dance when walking to the ring.
I was really happy the day marco gave him a lesson!
a shame kelley couldn't stand his punch

Im curious, what do you think of all the millions of peaceful, intelligent muslim women, , the doctors, teachers and mothers, who love their religion. Not because they are forced to, but because they believe it is the right faith for them?


...I feel really bad for the way they are treated in the Muslim world. It bothers me that if they accidentily show their ankles they can be executed. I wonder how many of them would buy into the Religion if they didn't fear reprisal? God knows, Muslims have no problem at all with one suddenly denouncing Islam. lol lol lol The day I decided I wanted nothing to do with the catholic church I didn't have to fear for my life. Try making that decision about Islam in Muslim dominated territory and see if you have anything to worry about. If you are refering to Muslim women in the West the same thing still applies. That fear of reprisal is there no matter where they are. There was an article about Muslim women on MSNBC or FOX just the other day that talked about how they face reprisals for their actions in Western parts of the world where they thought they would be free of whacked out Muslim views. One particular case was a Muslim singer who is constantly under death threats for her on stage demeanor. That **** is just plain sick.

One particular case was a Muslim singer who is constantly under death threats for her on stage demeanor. That **** is just plain sick.

her name is Deepika Thathaal or Deeyah
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,145393,00.html

you can't "un-brainwash" a kamikaze pilot. he's gonna kill himself for his cause, unprogramming that would be impossible

I've actually e-met a former PLO terrorist, Walid Shoebat. He can be found online. Now he loves all people.
He escaped that mentality and brainwashing only by the power of the Saviour and Lord Yeshua (Jesus), with Him all things are possible.
He is the only thing that can and will solve everything in the Mid East and world wide.

This is only what I believe, let each man form his own beliefs uncontrolled, untaimed, and free.

Believe me guys I don't discriminate because of race or religion but if there's any ISLAMIC person I hate it's got to be Bin LADEN and not Naz. :D

her name is Deepika Thathaal or Deeyah
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,145393,00.html


....Thanks for finding that link man!!! :)

....Thanks for finding that link man!!! :)

not a problem brother :)

I read the story the other day as well :)

I need to see that fight with him and barrera. I have never seen Barrera fight, and i want to see him waste that freakin punk Hassem.
Never seen MAB fight? Just how old are you?

For someone who is so obviously 'ring experience challenged,' I find it rather strange that you have the audacity to pass comment on fighters at all.

I'm of the opinion that there are a number of 'critics' here, that are rather young and some that should listen and take heed of some of the more knowledgable posters.

Don't get me wrong though....I don't purport to be an expert and certainly don't advocate that you take my remarks as cast in concrete.

By the same token, I remember my father hiring 8mm movies in the early 60's and seeing the 'old' fights between Robinson/Basilio...etc. As a kid, I cut my teeth on legends! My very first live fight that I was taken to, was Viccie Toweel/Jimmy Carruthers, held at the Feathermarket Hall in Port Elizabeth, South Africa. I couldn't see above the seats, so I sat on my dad's shoulders.

And you haven't seen Barrera fight.....Yet make comment?

Oh well............................

i shouted for MAB when they fought due to the fact he was a ****y arrogant ****, but I have to take issue with some of the things said on this thread, he was not a protected fighter nor a bum, he held the WBC WBO and IBF belts in the 90's do your research you ignorant joke. Keep embarassing yourself idiot.

He was undoutedly the featherweight of the 90's universally acclaimed as so.

He was way past his peak when he fought barerra, not in terms of age but in retrospect in his career, he had split fomr his trainer and long term mentor Brendon Ingle and was never the same fighter. In a similar way as tyson wasnt post Cus passing away.

He started to believe his own hype and while he was soundly beaten by MAB it would have been interesting to have seen him in with Marco while he was still with Ingle.

I couldnt stand Hamed, but you shouldnt let his personality get in the way when judging his undoubted talent.
In a nutshell, he was an arrogant, 'shove my religion down your throat,' ****y, little arsehole. His attitude engendered a longing to see him brought down to earth, forcefully.

And.....it happened. Pride cometh before a fall!

In his glory days, people like him because he was entertaining. But at the same time, people dislike him just for that and because not everyone likes ****y guy.

Boxing fans like him because they thought he was talented and could be next big name till he was exposed by Barrera.

I've actually e-met a former PLO terrorist, Walid Shoebat. He can be found online. Now he loves all people.
He escaped that mentality and brainwashing only by the power of the Saviour and Lord Yeshua (Jesus), with Him all things are possible.He is the only thing that can and will solve everything in the Mid East and world wide.

This is only what I believe, let each man form his own beliefs uncontrolled, untaimed, and free.

This Walid was a PLO terrorist and now he believes in Jesus??!! All thing are possible with Him indeed! Alleluia!! :)

You cannot appease terrorists. In the end all you would have is cleaner, smarter , better fed terrorists. Muslim exteremists are not going to quit being Muslim extremists just because their quality of life improves.
You all miss the salient point entirely!

It's not the quality of this life that matters to them, it's the quality of the afterlife that has been promised to them!

Most, are uneducated, or have very little education and have been indoctrinated since birth. It's a mindset and one which is impossible to change. I talk mainly of the Iraqi, Iranian, Palestinian & Muslim 3rd world country's peoples.

However, in the main, this is a boxing forum and posters should really stick to the issues on hand. That's basic forum etiquette.

For those who have a yen to expand, expound and have their say....come and join us at:- www.truthtree.com

The site allows for airing of opinions in civil debate and covers a myriad of topics. I've been resident for almost 6 years. Boxing is merely another intersest which I follow.

You all miss the salient point entirely!

It's not the quality of this life that matters to them, it's the quality of the afterlife that has been promised to them!

Most, are uneducated, or have very little education and have been indoctrinated since birth. It's a mindset and one which is impossible to change. I talk mainly of the Iraqi, Iranian, Palestinian & Muslim 3rd world country's peoples.

However, in the main, this is a boxing forum and posters should really stick to the issues on hand. That's basic forum etiquette.

For those who have a yen to expand, expound and have their say....come and join us at:- www.truthtree.com

The site allows for airing of opinions in civil debate and covers a myriad of topics. I've been resident for almost 6 years. Boxing is merely another intersest which I follow.


even though endoctrinated at birth, uneducated, even brainwashed, it IS possible to be changed, there are survivors that testify of coming out of that mentality.

Although a boxing forum, this particular thread involves not only boxing, but also religion. There are many topics interwoven within many of these boxing threads, and often they are expounded upon. No member is forced to view any one certain thread.

In a nutshell, he was an arrogant, 'shove my religion down your throat,' ****y, little arsehole. His attitude engendered a longing to see him brought down to earth, forcefully.

And.....it happened. Pride cometh before a fall!

yes i know this and i concur, he was still an amazingly talented boxer and the best featherweight of the 90's go check his reocrd or find me another's who is better in this time. you wont be able to.

i didnt like him at all (see my comments aobut shouting for barrera) but i find the fact that so called boxing fans tend to focus on his religious beliefs rather than his talent for the fistic arts somewhat disturbing.

i find the fact that so called boxing fans tend to focus on his religious beliefs rather than his talent for the fistic arts somewhat disturbing.

Same here buddy... I'm thinking to myself "who gives a ****"

it's like, do you want to watch him fight or run for senate? for ****s sake. love the fighter for his skills, who cares if he's ****y or flaunts his religion

have some respect, imagine being in his shoes. You were born in England, the boxing circuit is weaker there, and you started thre. Then you made your way to the US, where the best competition lies. You slaughter the US rankings, of course you are gonna be ****y! have some respect kiddies, he's the best featherweight puncher that ever lived

+k

The only proctectd guy in boxing right now is Gatti, Hamed was exciting just as much Gatti, and a winner never lost to Journeymen fighters like Ivan Robinson, Angel Manfreddy, or struggle with Joe Hutchinson (btw the same guy busted in two by Ricky (the Hitman) Hatton.

Hamed should never openly praised allah in the

Hamed was exciting just as much Gatti


how you can even compare those two fighters is beyond me

Gatti's entrances were weaker
Gatti never taunted his opponent or smiled after catching huge shots, in fact Gatti tended to go down
Gatti didn't flip over the rope
Gatti is only fun to watch when he brawls, and his chin is nowhere near what Hamed's was
Gatti is american..so seeing him box here is less cool than watching a foreigner bust up our ranks

i dont care if naseem was ****y
or if he was arrogant
one thing i didnt like was



The 1 hour long entrances!!

i dont care if naseem was ****y
or if he was arrogant
one thing i didnt like was



The 1 hour long entrances!!

yeah. this was one of the 'edges' he had, by coming in last and making your opponent wait...there's a good chance he'll be cooled down by the time ya get in the ring, giving him the advantage.
smart fighters keep their robe on until the other fighter gets in the ring with them. Kevin Kelley took his robe off early and was cooled down before Naz even got in the ring.

yeah. this was one of the 'edges' he had, by coming in last and making your opponent wait...there's a good chance he'll be cooled down by the time ya get in the ring, giving him the advantage.
smart fighters keep their robe on until the other fighter gets in the ring with them. Kevin Kelley took his robe off early and was cooled down before Naz even got in the ring.

That's kinda sad though, to use shady tactics like that just to get an edge. can't these guys just get in there and prove they are better by beating their opponents at BOXING?

I guess it was part of his gimick, to ride in on an elevated swing.. :rolleyes:

That's kinda sad though, to use shady tactics like that just to get an edge. can't these guys just get in there and prove they are better by beating their opponents at BOXING?

I guess it was part of his gimick, to ride in on an elevated swing.. :rolleyes:

Yeah I agree with you there. It is a cheesy move, almost as bad as a lowblow.

They should throw in a new rule, you have a 2 minute limit to get to the ring. But then Hamed would stay in his dressing room like he did vs Barrera, rejecting pair after pair of boxing gloves. (that fight they both used gloves given to them by management)

im personally muslim, and i dont think it had to do with the religion. some ppl like the ****y gyz sum ppl hate them... sum ppl hated ali, some ppl loved him, tht goes for many boxers

im personally muslim, and i dont think it had to do with the religion. some ppl like the ****y gyz sum ppl hate them... sum ppl hated ali, some ppl loved him, tht goes for many boxers

very true :)
I guess another important trait to have to be a real champion is to somehow win over boxing fans that don't like you at first. If he came back humbled, I'd give him mad props :D

very true :)
I guess another important trait to have to be a real champion is to somehow win over boxing fans that don't like you at first.

That's what's interesting. The hated people are always the richest, e.g. Naz, Tyson, Howard Stern. Even the people that hate them tune in. Moreso in boxing because you get to see the guy you hate knocked out. It's like they tune in just for that chance of the guy they hate getting KO'd.

Say a white gay heavyweight prospect started doin some damage in the division, I bet he'd attract the same crowd sizes and PPV #'s as Tyson did, if not more. and around half of those people would only be watching him in anticipation of the possibility of him suffering a KO.


so in the end..the ****y *******s end up richer than, say, a fighter with zero personality, like Malcolm Tann

ppl dont admit, but his religion was definitly a factor in not liking him. why would somebody admit to it, its in everyone's subconcience if not consciously. now you say he was ****y thats why you didn't like him, well so was Muhammad Ali, Leonard, and a lot of other great fighters in History. Muhammad Ali in particular was also disliked, people said he talked to much, that he was ****y and arrogant. But it wasn't just that, it was the fact that he was ****y and was black and was standing up for himself. This is somewhat like Prince Naseem Hamed's situation. The guy entertained like nobody else from incredible entrances to devastating knockouts, he was enthusiastic, very confident and classy. If you say you hate him, think again why you hate him, is it his arrogance or his stand. is it his arrogance of his colour.

I agree Adeelr.
Nice post!

ppl dont admit, but his religion was definitly a factor in not liking him. why would somebody admit to it, its in everyone's subconcience if not consciously. now you say he was ****y thats why you didn't like him, well so was Muhammad Ali, Leonard, and a lot of other great fighters in History. Muhammad Ali in particular was also disliked, people said he talked to much, that he was ****y and arrogant. But it wasn't just that, it was the fact that he was ****y and was black and was standing up for himself. This is somewhat like Prince Naseem Hamed's situation. The guy entertained like nobody else from incredible entrances to devastating knockouts, he was enthusiastic, very confident and classy. If you say you hate him, think again why you hate him, is it his arrogance or his stand. is it his arrogance of his colour.

that's a good point.. just look at the Klitschkos... they're not even ****y, they're respectful, professional, and intellegent, yet they're disliked, prolly because they're white.

I don't hate Prince Hamed. I disliked how he carried himself. But the only reason why any of us even noticed his ****iness is because he was good at what he did, and that was box.
It's sports, but still entertainment. Most of the well known and remembered fighters had their persona, just like WWE wrestlers. whoever was gonna sell the seats and be either liked or disliked GREATLY would be promised to be in the spotlight to some degree..

It's like they tune in just for that chance of the guy they hate getting KO'd.

Say a white gay heavyweight prospect started doin some damage in the division, I bet he'd attract the same crowd sizes and PPV #'s as Tyson did, if not more. and around half of those people would only be watching him in anticipation of the possibility of him suffering a KO.



another good point.. hey wait!!! and here we have the delimna with John Ruiz... LOL
:D