Here's MAXBOXING's P4P list after that Jones lost.

1.BERNARD HOPKINS - 44-2-1 (32)
2.FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR. - 32-0 (21)
3.ANTONIO TARVER - 22-2 (18)
4.ERIK MORALES - 47-1 (34)
5.MANNY PACQUIAO - 38-2-2 (29)
6.WINKY WRIGHT - 47-3 (25)<O:p.
7.DIEGO CORRALES - 39-2 (32)
8.OSCAR DE LA HOYA - 36-3 (29)
9.JUAN MANUEL MARQUEZ - 43-2-1 (33)
10.JAMES TONEY - 68-4-2 (43)

The next ten

Rafael Marquez
Cory Spinks
Kostya Tszyu
Shane Mosley
Marco Antonio Barrera
Joel Casamayor
Ricardo Mayorga
Sharmba Mitchell
Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
Joe Calzaghe
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If you want to see the whole write up here's the link:
http://www.maxboxing.com/News/Pfp.asp


Hey people don't you ever BASH me or CURSE me for this it's not my list I'm just sharing it with you :D so we can discuss it.

No bashing and no dissing that list. ;) I just have my own:

1. Hopkins
2. Mayweather
3. Morales- He's the most active p4p fighter
4. Tzyu- He is No.1 in the most talent-filled division and has beaten 6 of his 10 best contenders.
5. Corrales
6. Tarver
7. Pacquiao- relegated due to inactivity
8. Winky Wright
9. Oscar De la Hoya
10.Rafael Marquez :D
++++++++++++++

11. Cory Spinks
12. Pongsaklek Wongjongkam
13. Juan Manuel Marquez
14. Ricardo Mayorga
15. Joel Casamayor ;)

No bashing and no dissing that list. ;) I just have my own:

1. Hopkins
2. Mayweather
3. Morales- He's the most active p4p fighter
4. Tzyu- He is No.1 in the most talent-filled division and has beaten 6 of his 10 best contenders.
5. Corrales
6. Tarver
7. Pacquiao- relegated due to inactivity
8. Winky Wright
9. Oscar De la Hoya
10.Rafael Marquez :D
++++++++++++++

11. Cory Spinks
12. Pongsaklek Wongjongkam
13. Juan Manuel Marquez
14. Ricardo Mayorga
15. Joel Casamayor ;)
Hey that's realistically more acceptable to me than the MAX's original list.
Let's wait and see for the other guys to makle their own list.:)

Hey that's realistically more acceptable to me than the MAX's original list.
Let's wait and see for the other guys to makle their own list.:) :) Good to note that you agree! Sure, let's wait and see the others'... ;)

i believe you guys left out Baby Joe Mesi

i believe you guys left out Baby Joe Mesi

Hey Bro, make your own list so we can compare it.;)

:) Good to note that you agree! Sure, let's wait and see the others'... ;)
There's no reason for me to disagree Bro. everybody in that list are all good fighters. But I can't agree to you more when you put Rafael up in the top ten and put Juan below . . . Rafael is more exciting fighter than his brother, not to mention his flexibilty and agility to change his tactics depending on what his opponent brings up in the ring. ;)

Way I measure P4P is the quality and recency of the fighter's last five fights. I don't rank fighters who have been inactive for over a year.

1-Bernard Hopkins - He is the man.
2-Floyd Mayweather - He could be the man, if takes a meaningful fight before the year is up.
3-Erik Morales - He could be the man if he beats Barrera decisively in November.
4-Manny Pacquaio - He could also be the man, if he rematches Marquez and beats him decisively or takes some other meaningful fight.
5-Antonio Tarver - If he got off his ass and took a fight Glenn Johnson, he could be the man.
6-Diego Corrales - If he gets another meaningful fight by Year's end, he could be the man.
7-Winky Wright - If he beats Shane Mosely again and scored wins over someone of Ouma's calibre......he could be the man.
8-James Toney - If he got more active and beat a top heavyweight......he could be the man.
9-Rafael Marquez - IF he unifies or scores some other good wins, he could be the man.....if the man or other fighters who could be the man slip up somehow.
10-Jose Luis Castillo - see above.


Missing the cut-
Felix Trinidad - He is back. but not on the list yet.

Kassim Ouma - He has beaten every credible 154 lber out there.....except Wright or Mosely. Therin lies the reason he is not on the list.

i believe you guys left out Baby Joe Mesi :D!!! LOL!!! Joe Mesi, Pound for Pound!!! LOL!!! That's a good one!!! :D ;)

There's no reason for me to disagree Bro. everybody in that list are all good fighters. But I can't agree to you more when you put Rafael up in the top ten and put Juan below . . . Rafael is more exciting fighter than his brother, not to mention his flexibilty and agility to change his tactics depending on what his opponent brings up in the ring. ;)Thanks,pal :) There are even some who would argue that the younger Marquez is a much better fighter; and failing to prove that, are sure that at least he's the more exciting one. I suspect that he has better one-punch power than his elder brother in the way he moves his feet and thus gets better leverage. The younger Marquez also had better quality opposition and has trounced everyone he faced decisively. The way he took the crown from a champion who until their meeting was widely considered the best in his class ( p4p in some lists), and then defending it against a similar fella to prove that his first victory was not a fluke...!JMM has never met anyone approaching p4p quality except Pacman. :) I'd even venture to say that the more interesting contest would be Pacman-Rafael, down the road, if their roads cross, which is a good possibility in that Marquez can go up to feather as he grows older, while Pac is at his best, and shall continue to be at his best, at featherweight/ jr. feather in the next couple of years. ;) I don't agree with Pac going up to jr. light in that span of time atall! That's too much too soon! Besides, we've seen in recent occassions how much damage going up in weight too soon can do to even the best fighters.

Way I measure P4P is the quality and recency of the fighter's last five fights. I don't rank fighters who have been inactive for over a year.

1-Bernard Hopkins - He is the man.
2-Floyd Mayweather - He could be the man, if takes a meaningful fight before the year is up.
3-Erik Morales - He could be the man if he beats Barrera decisively in November.
4-Manny Pacquaio - He could also be the man, if he rematches Marquez and beats him decisively or takes some other meaningful fight.
5-Antonio Tarver - If he got off his ass and took a fight Glenn Johnson, he could be the man.
6-Diego Corrales - If he gets another meaningful fight by Year's end, he could be the man.
7-Winky Wright - If he beats Shane Mosely again and scored wins over someone of Ouma's calibre......he could be the man.
8-James Toney - If he got more active and beat a top heavyweight......he could be the man.
9-Rafael Marquez - IF he unifies or scores some other good wins, he could be the man.....if the man or other fighters who could be the man slip up somehow.
10-Jose Luis Castillo - see above.


Missing the cut-
Felix Trinidad - He is back. but not on the list yet.

Kassim Ouma - He has beaten every credible 154 lber out there.....except Wright or Mosely. Therin lies the reason he is not on the list.I see that both De la Hoya and Tzyu are off of the list, top ten and below. Uhm, okay. You have Toney and Castillo in the exclusive club instead? Well...Toney has had one recent fight, book-ended by injuries, and the quality of his opposition immediately before the first injury was a way-past-his-prime Holyfield and one other forgettable guy? Castillo? He doesn't deserve being under-rated the way he is by many. In my book, he's top 20. And so, I think, is Ouma. That much can be conceded at this time. :)
I went for Tzyu in spite of his relative inactivity because of what he's shown every time he's active. That one gets the feeling every time Tzyu fights that he's a disaster waiting to happen, is, to me, a testament to the depth of the division he's in than a knock on his talent. And Oscar, I evaluted not as a middleweight but as a jr. middle, a division that's also talent rich (and yes, largely because of the drawing power of the Golden Boy, cash rich! :D ) Sorry to disagree, pal! :o :)

My P4P list : :D
1. Bernard Hopkins
2. Floyd Mayweather
3. Erik Morales
4. Antonio Tarver
5. Diego Corrales
6. Manny Pacquiao
7. Rafael Marquez
8. Cory Spinks
9. Winky Wright
10. Juan Manuel Marquez

Up and comers (in no particluar order) :
James Toney
Oscar de la Hoya
Felix Trinidad
Jose Luis Castillo
Miguel Cotto
Kostya Tzsyu
Ricardo Mayorga
Pongsaklek Wonjongkham

My P4P list : :D
1. Bernard Hopkins
2. Floyd Mayweather
3. Erik Morales
4. Antonio Tarver
5. Diego Corrales
6. Manny Pacquiao
7. Rafael Marquez
8. Cory Spinks
9. Winky Wright
10. Juan Manuel Marquez

Up and comers (in no particluar order) :
James Toney
Oscar de la Hoya
Felix Trinidad
Jose Luis Castillo
Miguel Cotto
Kostya Tzsyu
Ricardo Mayorga
Pongsaklek Wonjongkham Hey Buddy! How's it going?! Good list! But I see you don't have Kotsya and Oscar in the top ten either? You had Cory and JMM instead! Oh, well, I must confess, it was a tough call for me re Tsyu and Spinks, although I put the transplated Russian way up in the ladder and Spinks as just outside the magic circle. True,Tzyu's inactivity argues volumes against him. To my mind, that makes him either high up there or nowhere.

With Oscar: would you say I was blinded by the glitz and sheen of the Golden Boy? LOL!!! Could be you're right, you know! LOL!!!

I just couldn't get it up for JMM, however. The guys he fought were the Medinas and Gainers of this world. The only redeeming gem in his career, to me, is that draw with the Pacman. I'd rather much go for Castillo if Oscar is dropped. Although I erred in not putting Castillo in my up-and-comer list. :o Just plainly forgot! :) Miguel Cotto too!!! Forgive an old fella?!!! That PRican is something to watch!!!

Hey Buddy! How's it going?! Good list! But I see you don't have Kotsya and Oscar in the top ten either? You had Cory and JMM instead! Oh, well, I must confess, it was a tough call for me re Tsyu and Spinks, although I put the transplated Russian way up in the ladder and Spinks as just outside the magic circle. True,Tzyu's inactivity argues volumes against him. To my mind, that makes him either high up there or nowhere.

With Oscar: would you say I was blinded by the glitz and sheen of the Golden Boy? LOL!!! Could be you're right, you know! LOL!!!

I just couldn't get it up for JMM, however. The guys he fought were the Medinas and Gainers of this world. The only redeeming gem in his career, to me, is that draw with the Pacman. I'd rather much go for Castillo if Oscar is dropped. Although I erred in not putting Castillo in my up-and-comer list. :o Just plainly forgot! :) Miguel Cotto to!!! Forgive an old fella?!!! LOL!!!

It's been a great weekend of boxing there buddy! We were all entertained, the blood thirsty fans that we are hahahaha LOL :D
Oscar in my opinion was P4P 2 weight classes ago, right now...well, i dunno...he got a controversial win over Sturm and was finally executed by B Hop. He would give a more competitive fight against Tito though IMO and I won't be surprised if he wins a tight decision in the rematch.
JMMarquez i think proved his worth against that wrecking machine last May. It still puzzles me that he hasn't fought Morales and Barrera. I really think that his style is perfect for Morales though a fight with Barrera could prove to be boring (unless MAB opts to fight). Of course, we may never know ;)
Man, i'm really impressed with JL Castillo and Cotto they will rock the top 10 list. I hope Castillo-Corrales materializes, great fight, what do you think?

It's been a great weekend of boxing there buddy! We were all entertained, the blood thirsty fans that we are hahahaha LOL
Oscar in my opinion was P4P 2 weight classes ago, right now...well, i dunno...he got a controversial win over Sturm and was finally executed by B Hop. He would give a more competitive fight against Tito though IMO and I won't be surprised if he wins a tight decision in the rematch.
JMMarquez i think proved his worth against that wrecking machine last May. It still puzzles me that he hasn't fought Morales and Barrera. I really think that his style is perfect for Morales though a fight with Barrera could prove to be boring (unless MAB opts to fight). Of course, we may never know
Man, i'm really impressed with JL Castillo and Cotto they will rock the top 10 list. I hope Castillo-Corrales materializes, great fight, what do you think?If JMM proves his mettle vs. Morales, then, I guess I'll be at the front row of those bowing down before him and chorusing, "We are not worthy!!!" LOL!!! I'm just as surprised as you are why there's narry a serious whisper about Morales-Marquez! They don't have much time, both of them! It's not as if they are at the age of that fella that the engineer in you dubbed as a "wrecking machine": Pacman!!!LOL!!!!
Cotto and Castillo leave me speechless!!! I bet, early next year or at the latest, mid-year of next, they'll have those boxing scribes scrambling to re-order their P4P lists!!! I'm adding a prayer to your hope re Castillo-Corrales!!! I can see that it has great possibilities of making any other FOY nominees a good run!!!

Re: Oscar-- I guess the name got the better part of my judgement! :o LOL!!! Yes, the present Oscar pales in comparison to the Oscar two weight classes ago. :o

Good to hear from you again, pal!!! :)

Addendum: Didn't get to see last weekend's fights!!! Damn!!! Had to stay out late for several days, TCBizniz. Damn bills to pay!!! But I'll get to watch it on VCR; a friend of mine is lending me a tape. I'll do that this wkend... unless...! :(

If JMM proves his mettle vs. Morales, then, I guess I'll be at the front row of those bowing down before him and chorusing, "We are not worthy!!!" LOL!!! I'm just as surprised as you are why there's narry a serious whisper about Morales-Marquez! They don't have much time, both of them! It's not as if they are at the age of that fella that the engineer in you dubbed as a "wrecking machine": Pacman!!!LOL!!!!
Cotto and Castillo leave me speechless!!! I bet, early next year or at the latest, mid-year of next, they'll have those boxing scribes scrambling to re-order their P4P lists!!! I'm adding a prayer to your hope re Castillo-Corrales!!! I can see that it has great possibilities of making any other FOY nominees a good run!!!

Re: Oscar-- I guess the name got the better part of my judgement! :o LOL!!! Yes, the present Oscar pales in comparison to the Oscar two weight classes ago.

Good to hear from you again, pal!!!

Addendum: Didn't get to see last weekend's fights!!! Damn!!! Had to stay out late for several days, TCBizniz. Damn bills to pay!!! But I'll get to watch it on VCR; a friend of mine is lending me a tape. I'll do that this wkend... unless...!

JMMarquez-Morales may never happen, El Terrible says that after his trilogy with Barrera he's going after "that wrecking machine" Pacquiao LOL :D ...then he's going up at lightweight.

Castillo-Corrales is a possible FOY candidate indeed, there will be fireworks flying in this sure slugfest...hope it's gonna happen soon perhaps on the 4th of December as orginally planned.

You've been busy buddy! It's good to hear from you too. :)

JMMarquez-Morales may never happen, El Terrible says that after his trilogy with Barrera he's going after "that wrecking machine" Pacquiao LOL :D ...then he's going up at lightweight.

Castillo-Corrales is a possible FOY candidate indeed, there will be fireworks flying in this sure slugfest...hope it's gonna happen soon perhaps on the 4th of December as orginally planned.

You've been busy buddy! It's good to hear from you too. :)Oh well, Morales knows where his bread is buttered. A Marquez match wouldn't get him going as it won't draw much save true-blue boxing buffs. If Morales is bent on making Mexican pugilistic history by going up to lightweight after Barrera III and Pacman, who can knock that decision? But if he loses to Pacquiao, he won't draw as much at lightweight, either. Could be that a Marquez meeting would make his eyes twinkle! Marquez after all is the only guy who held pacman to a draw at featherweight. A Morales who had lost to Pacquiao going up against Marquez who held Pacman to a draw will be easy to hype!Stranger things have happened in boxing. :)

Yeah, December 4, so I likewise heard! Praying nothing gets in the way! FIREWORKS, IT WILL BE!!!

THANKS BUDDY!!! Catchya...!!! :)

Oh well, Morales knows where his bread is buttered. A Marquez match wouldn't get him going as it won't draw much save true-blue boxing buffs. If Morales is bent on making Mexican pugilistic history by going up to lightweight after Barrera III and Pacman, who can knock that decision? But if he loses to Pacquiao, he won't draw as much at lightweight, either. Could be that a Marquez meeting would make his eyes twinkle! Marquez after all is the only guy who held pacman to a draw at featherweight. A Morales who had lost to Pacquiao going up against Marquez who held Pacman to a draw will be easy to hype!Stranger things have happened in boxing. :)

Yeah, December 4, so I likewise heard! Praying nothing gets in the way! FIREWORKS, IT WILL BE!!!

THANKS BUDDY!!! Catchya...!!! :)

Strange things happens in boxing indeed. Now that scenario would definitely be an attractive hype (Morales-Marquez). Upsets does happens. ;)

Strange things happens in boxing indeed. Now that scenario would definitely be an attractive hype (Morales-Marquez). Upsets does happens. ;) Pacman proved that vs. Ldwaba and again vs. Barrera... Glenn Johnson's... :)