Margarito is so overrated. What has this guy ever done? He beat a very green Cintron who had never faught anyone, he beat a washed up 6 heads who just got killed by Mayorga and he was losing before the big punch, and he just got beat by Santos. Even if you think he won the fight, he still wasnt impressive at all and he was hurt several times by the feather fisted Santos. People love this guy just because he is Mexican and he brings it every fight but his skills are not great, his power is overrated, and he has no defense.

I have always thought that Floyd would dominate him and make him look stupid. I have also always thought that Floyd would even beat him at his own game. I bet anything that if they fought toe to toe that Floyd would get the best of him. You know how Floyd fights in the pocket? I bet if he did that to Margarito then he would tag him alot and block all of Margarito shots.

I honestly believe he is hype and that Zab would Knock him out right now. I would love to see Zab fight him if Floyd doest. I bet Zab ends the hype on this guy.

What has he done? Someone please tell me. Give me one great win on his resume. Are you going to count Cintron who was green, never beat anyone, and looked like crap against a shot Teddy Reid? 6 Heads who was washed up, overrated and Mayorga killed twice. And again this guy couldnt beat Santos and was hurt several times. If Floyd had that same fight with Santos then everyone would be ripping Floyd and saying he sucks.

The only thing he will have on Floyd is that Mayweather would way 146 for the fight and he would way 166 but that still wouldnt save this dude. It would be a old style Sugar Ray Robinson ass whooping

Maybe some of your criticism is warranted.But you know who really is/was all hype?


Zab Judah.


I usually commend you on your posts,But how you can think Zab would kill margarito is beyond me.Margarito by KO.

You and many others who think like you may be right, however it is undoubtedly that he deserves a shot. If no one will give him the shot then how is he supposed to step into the light?

Judah thought itd be better face Cosme Rivera than Margarito
Spinks ran towards semi-retired Miguel Angel Gonzalez than Margarito.

Margarito deserves the shot, yes he might get humiliated, but the fact is this fight has many variables and it needs to be made to erase any doubts. If you could just judge all fighters without the fights actually taking place, then what would be the point of fighters ever facing each other u could just say floyd beats the entire world and hed never have to fight again.

I'll say again, Margarito is no castillo but he is Big, tough, strong, punches hard and technically sound enough for everyone at welterweight to avoid him. If people didnt feel he was a threat everyone and their mom would have fought him at welterweight already.

i do believe margirito is a good fighter, but i dont believe that his accomplishments warrent the rating he has. his talent probably does, however

I can agree with you last 2 guys. Im all for a guy getting a shot and I do think he deserves one but I also think the 1st time he steps up will be the 1st time he steps down

Maybe some of your criticism is warranted.But you know who really is/was all hype?


Zab Judah.


I usually commend you on your posts,But how you can think Zab would kill margarito is beyond me.Margarito by KO.
Zab is not a focused fighters and does dumb things but I think anyone can recognize that he is easily one of the top 5 most talented guys in boxing, if not 1 in overall pure talent.

I didnt see the fight yet but I have read alot of articles so far and alot of them are from writers who rip Zab and dont like him and most of them said that the Zab who fought Floyd wouldve beat almost anyone in boxing and wouldve beat everyone at 147. Is that true? I cant judge because I havent seen it but I think when Zab brings his A game then he can beat anyone except for Mayweather.

Thats why Im confused by some on here saying that Floyd wasnt all that impressive because Zab did well but the media people said Floyd was even more impressive because that Zab wouldve beat alot of fighters. You tell me what you think

I can agree with you last 2 guys. Im all for a guy getting a shot and I do think he deserves one but I also think the 1st time he steps up will be the 1st time he steps down
he is not unbeaten. but he has improved. out of anybody out there this guy is the hardest fight for mayweather and thats why people want to see this fight. he has some good skill. he can beat many front runners who other people are asking to figh PBF. Cotto, Hatton and zab will get beat by margarito, he has skill but just not a big name. Margarito can also give de la hoya some trooble.

Zab is not a focused fighters and does dumb things but I think anyone can recognize that he is easily one of the top 5 most talented guys in boxing, if not 1 in overall pure talent.

I didnt see the fight yet but I have read alot of articles so far and alot of them are from writers who rip Zab and dont like him and most of them said that the Zab who fought Floyd wouldve beat almost anyone in boxing and wouldve beat everyone at 147. Is that true? I cant judge because I havent seen it but I think when Zab brings his A game then he can beat anyone except for Mayweather.

Thats why Im confused by some on here saying that Floyd wasnt all that impressive because Zab did well but the media people said Floyd was even more impressive because that Zab wouldve beat alot of fighters. You tell me what you think

I give Zab credit for what he did,but I wouldnt give him more than 4 rounds.The thing about Zab is:

he's a lefty
hes gifted with speed
hes gifted with power

and he still loses to baldomir.To me Zab is the definition of hype.Yes he's looked good against lesser opposition,but how many fighters wouldnt?.About the best I can say about Zab is that he KO'ed spinks the second time around, but even Mayorga who i saw you ripping on(not that I like mayo),Ko'ed forrest right?

So to answer your question do I think Zab would beat many other fighters out there,for example Margarito,by fighting the way he fought those 3,4 rounds? I can see Zab hurting some guys,maybe wobbling some guys early on,but these arent 3-4 rounders, if Baldomir can rock zab simply by making it to the later rounds and not being discouraged,Margarito would destroy Zab man.Cotto can move up now and KO Zab,even IF Zab hurt cotto all cotto would have to do is make it out of those early rounds and start walking Zab down.

I think larry merch said it best on fight night when he said, Zab has a style that depends on his athletic ability,If you can overcome some of that,like baldomir was able to by just having seemingly a concrete chin,you can get to zab.

I agree, Im from the UK and if it wasn't for this forum i would not have a clue who he is. His record aint even that good...ive been saying this for a while...Mayweather v Hatton!!! not Mayweather v Margarito!

I agree with you guys too. He's a good fighter that deserves a shot at the rock but, he's not what most people make him out to be. IMO, Maywhether will make him look ridiculous in the ring...then again PBF can make anyone look stupid in there. :D

ye he overated. why is it always the espn boxers

pbf needs to teach magarito a lesson

I give Zab credit for what he did,but I wouldnt give him more than 4 rounds.The thing about Zab is:

he's a lefty
hes gifted with speed
hes gifted with power

and he still loses to baldomir.To me Zab is the definition of hype.Yes he's looked good against lesser opposition,but how many fighters wouldnt?.About the best I can say about Zab is that he KO'ed spinks the second time around, but even Mayorga who i saw you ripping on(not that I like mayo),Ko'ed forrest right?

So to answer your question do I think Zab would beat many other fighters out there,for example Margarito,by fighting the way he fought those 3,4 rounds? I can see Zab hurting some guys,maybe wobbling some guys early on,but these arent 3-4 rounders, if Baldomir can rock zab simply by making it to the later rounds and not being discouraged,Margarito would destroy Zab man.Cotto can move up now and KO Zab,even IF Zab hurt cotto all cotto would have to do is make it out of those early rounds and start walking Zab down.

I think larry merch said it best on fight night when he said, Zab has a style that depends on his athletic ability,If you can overcome some of that,like baldomir was able to by just having seemingly a concrete chin,you can get to zab.
I dont know man. I think the difference between me and you on this is that you think Baldomire beat Zab and I just think Zab beat himself because he's not focused and he bull ****s around in some fights. You make it sound like Baldomire is better when I think it clearly isnt true.

Basically Im saying that I think you put too much stock in that fight. To me it had nothing to do with Baldomire and all to do with Zab so I dont think its fair to say that Margarito can do that to him just because Baldomire can. 1st off I think if you are somewhat a elite fighter like Margarito is supposed to be then Zab wont B.S. around. I think if Zab and Baldomire fights 10 times then Zab will win 9 times by a blow out.

Even if people believe that Margarito is overrated, I think that he still deserves his shot at PBF. Even if it means him losing

i just want him to fight judah as a measuring stick of his talent

I dont know man. I think the difference between me and you on this is that you think Baldomire beat Zab and I just think Zab beat himself because he's not focused and he bull ****s around in some fights. You make it sound like Baldomire is better when I think it clearly isnt true.

Basically Im saying that I think you put too much stock in that fight. To me it had nothing to do with Baldomire and all to do with Zab so I dont think its fair to say that Margarito can do that to him just because Baldomire can. 1st off I think if you are somewhat a elite fighter like Margarito is supposed to be then Zab wont B.S. around. I think if Zab and Baldomire fights 10 times then Zab will win 9 times by a blow out.

Nah I dont think Bladomir is better,All I was saying is,no way in hell should a guy of Zab's supposed elite status lose to a guy like baldomir.And be made to look that bad really.And its not just that fight,when its counted I dont think Zab has ever really impressed,the way a top fighter should.

KO 2 vs Tszyu
UD L to spinks the first time

and SD wins against chop and Rafael Pineda.Basicaly Zab is the new gatekeeper.

The Margarito fight,when you say Zab shows up against elite fighters,has he really? I think he's failed to do so almost every time,It shouldnt take a second time to do what he should have done the first time against spinks.

Nah I dont think Bladomir is better,All I was saying is,no way in hell should a guy of Zab's supposed elite status lose to a guy like baldomir.And be made to look that bad really.And its not just that fight,when its counted I dont think Zab has ever really impressed,the way a top fighter should.

KO 2 vs Tszyu
UD L to spinks the first time

and SD wins against chop and Rafael Pineda.Basicaly Zab is the new gatekeeper.

The Margarito fight,when you say Zab shows up against elite fighters,has he really? I think he's failed to do so almost every time,It shouldnt take a second time to do what he should have done the first time against spinks.I actually thought he won the 1st fight and alot of people didnt give him that one round just because he turned his back on Spinks and started talking trash but I still thought he won that round.

At the end of the day I think we are basically saying the same thing but just a littile different. I agree that Judah has done less with so much talent then anyone I can remember. I took you as calling him just hype by meaning that he just isnt good but what I think you really mean is that he is really good and has never done anything with it and I completely agree with that.

I have always thought that he actually needed to leave his dad and posse for a while and go with someone like Roach or Goosen who could fine tune him and make him concentrate and fight for every minute of every round.

I still would love to see Zab vs Margarito if the Floyd fight doesnt go through

you could write how good floyd and zab are all you want but at the end of the day they will not fight Margarito because of fear....and don't say it's because the money because zab fought baldimir for peanuts and floyd fought an old sharmba mitchell for very little money...until zab and floyd put their asses on the ring against Margarito ..they are still pretenders....

he is not unbeaten. but he has improved. out of anybody out there this guy is the hardest fight for mayweather and thats why people want to see this fight. he has some good skill. he can beat many front runners who other people are asking to figh PBF. Cotto, Hatton and zab will get beat by margarito, he has skill but just not a big name. Margarito can also give de la hoya some trooble.

I think its extreemly debatable that Margarito would beat Hatton. I don't believe his achievements warrant such a claim :boxing:

I think its extreemly debatable that Margarito would beat Hatton. I don't believe his achievements warrant such a claim :boxing:
thats because he is avoided. if the big names would give him a chance then we can see what he has. Hatton has a big name so thats why he is getting so many offers. margarito is just anothe mexican so they are not to concern with him. these 2 should fight winner goes after floyd.

Margarito is so overrated. What has this guy ever done? He beat a very green Cintron who had never faught anyone, he beat a washed up 6 heads who just got killed by Mayorga and he was losing before the big punch, and he just got beat by Santos. Even if you think he won the fight, he still wasnt impressive at all and he was hurt several times by the feather fisted Santos. People love this guy just because he is Mexican and he brings it every fight but his skills are not great, his power is overrated, and he has no defense.

I have always thought that Floyd would dominate him and make him look stupid. I have also always thought that Floyd would even beat him at his own game. I bet anything that if they fought toe to toe that Floyd would get the best of him. You know how Floyd fights in the pocket? I bet if he did that to Margarito then he would tag him alot and block all of Margarito shots.

I honestly believe he is hype and that Zab would Knock him out right now. I would love to see Zab fight him if Floyd doest. I bet Zab ends the hype on this guy.

What has he done? Someone please tell me. Give me one great win on his resume. Are you going to count Cintron who was green, never beat anyone, and looked like crap against a shot Teddy Reid? 6 Heads who was washed up, overrated and Mayorga killed twice. And again this guy couldnt beat Santos and was hurt several times. If Floyd had that same fight with Santos then everyone would be ripping Floyd and saying he sucks.

The only thing he will have on Floyd is that Mayweather would way 146 for the fight and he would way 166 but that still wouldnt save this dude. It would be a old style Sugar Ray Robinson ass whooping



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thats because he is avoided. if the big names would give him a chance then we can see what he has. Hatton has a big name so thats why he is getting so many offers. margarito is just anothe mexican so they are not to concern with him. these 2 should fight winner goes after floyd.

I agree I think this fight would be a barnstormer :chairshot and it would shed more light on what Margarito can really do against one of the top guys :boxing:

Margarito is so overrated. What has this guy ever done? He beat a very green Cintron who had never faught anyone, he beat a washed up 6 heads who just got killed by Mayorga and he was losing before the big punch, and he just got beat by Santos. Even if you think he won the fight, he still wasnt impressive at all and he was hurt several times by the feather fisted Santos. People love this guy just because he is Mexican and he brings it every fight but his skills are not great, his power is overrated, and he has no defense.

I have always thought that Floyd would dominate him and make him look stupid. I have also always thought that Floyd would even beat him at his own game. I bet anything that if they fought toe to toe that Floyd would get the best of him. You know how Floyd fights in the pocket? I bet if he did that to Margarito then he would tag him alot and block all of Margarito shots.

I honestly believe he is hype and that Zab would Knock him out right now. I would love to see Zab fight him if Floyd doest. I bet Zab ends the hype on this guy.

What has he done? Someone please tell me. Give me one great win on his resume. Are you going to count Cintron who was green, never beat anyone, and looked like crap against a shot Teddy Reid? 6 Heads who was washed up, overrated and Mayorga killed twice. And again this guy couldnt beat Santos and was hurt several times. If Floyd had that same fight with Santos then everyone would be ripping Floyd and saying he sucks.

The only thing he will have on Floyd is that Mayweather would way 146 for the fight and he would way 166 but that still wouldnt save this dude. It would be a old style Sugar Ray Robinson ass whooping

your a joke.

Your mom is over rated

Mayweather already shut out Baldomir once, I don't see why he wouldn't beat Baldomir Jr. the exact same way.

a floyd fan claiming another fighter is overrated. what else is new?