THIS THE SITUATION - Let me tell you this, as you all know I am not a big fan of PBF at all but I do give him credit for beating Zab and didnt resort to thug tactics like Judah, which he could have because PBF was losing for almost the first half of the fight so I do respect that.

SO here it is PBF got skills but not the #1 p4p, PBF is only behind Winky and Manny P, but you know what who ****in cares about p4p ppl have taken it way to seriously. This what needs to happen for PBF to be the "best" next fight needs to be against Margarito and then Hatton no excuses do not cherry pcik some bull**** fighter and dont call urself the champ at wleter b/c u are not

The champ is Baldomir and hes fightin Gatti and since I think I am thee expert or one of thee experts when it comes to Gatti on this board I will tell how I think and how it should shake down at 147. In my opinion I think 147 is going to revolve around Gatti. NOW HOLD UP! (I can already see you guys going for the red karma) because if everything goes right im hoping Gatti can beat Baldy and be the linear champ so this is deal, no way is he fighting PBF again, I dont want to see it and the fans dont want to see it. The plan should be for Gatti to take on Oktay Urkal or the winner of the Cintron/Estrada match up, and then maybe a possible fight with Hatton. Which he then should vacate the title and possibly move to 154 for a possible last fight with vargas.

So that is really what it comes down to at 147 if Gatti beats Baldy it gonna be up to him on how many defense he makes before he vacates the title. In the mean time what should happen is after Collazo Hatton should fight Spinks and Mayweather should fight Margarito and the winner of those 2 should fight for the eventual linear title at 147 that Gatti will vacate

Gatti should retire

Nah there's a fighter out there that loves to beat up Italians, and he might take on Gatti IF Gatti beats Baldi, I think his name is Miguel something...;)

THIS THE SITUATION - Let me tell you this, as you all know I am not a big fan of PBF at all but I do give him credit for beating Zab and didnt resort to thug tactics like Judah, which he could have because PBF was losing for almost the first half of the fight so I do respect that.

SO here it is PBF got skills but not the #1 p4p, PBF is only behind Winky and Manny P, but you know what who ****in cares about p4p ppl have taken it way to seriously. This what needs to happen for PBF to be the "best" next fight needs to be against Margarito and then Hatton no excuses do not cherry pcik some bull**** fighter and dont call urself the champ at wleter b/c u are not

The champ is Baldomir and hes fightin Gatti and since I think I am thee expert or one of thee experts when it comes to Gatti on this board I will tell how I think and how it should shake down at 147. In my opinion I think 147 is going to revolve around Gatti. NOW HOLD UP! (I can already see you guys going for the red karma) because if everything goes right im hoping Gatti can beat Baldy and be the linear champ so this is deal, no way is he fighting PBF again, I dont want to see it and the fans dont want to see it. The plan should be for Gatti to take on Oktay Urkal or the winner of the Cintron/Estrada match up, and then maybe a possible fight with Hatton. Which he then should vacate the title and possibly move to 154 for a possible last fight with vargas.
So that is really what it comes down to at 147 if Gatti beats Baldy it gonna be up to him on how many defense he makes before he vacates the title. In the mean time what should happen is after Collazo Hatton should fight Spinks and Mayweather should fight Margarito and the winner of those 2 should fight for the eventual linear title at 147 that Gatti will vacate


You're serious?? GATTI IS A B LEVEL FIGHTER. SO HE SHOULD CONCENTRATE ON FIGHTING B LEVEL OPPONENTS.

I think Gatti's best days are behind him but hes still a good boxer with alot of heart. He might be able to get a fringe belt at 147...

Nah there's a fighter out there that loves to beat up Italians, and he might take on Gatti IF Gatti beats Baldi, I think his name is Miguel something...;)


I hope Gatti breaks Cottos face just for you sayin that. But it wont happen.

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I think Gatti's best days are behind him but hes still a good boxer with alot of heart. He might be able to get a fringe belt at 147...

A fringe belt?? your missing something here if Gatti beats Baldomir he will be considered the linear champ at welterweight which means when you look the **** up in history books his name will be there. Nobody cares about the IBA, WBA, WBO, that is all bull****. No offense but what PBF is a fringe belt at best Judah lost to Baldy but before the fight Baldy dosent pay the sanctioning fees for the IBF strap so they give the title back to Judah??? That belt should have been vacated. It bad enough we have all these organizations in boxing it makes **** worse when they pull ridiclous **** like that

As for BORIKUIA thats weak sauce man, Cotto has beaten one italian and that Branco, he'll have his hands full with Paulie no doubt, Paulie absolutely has been schoolin Middleweights down at Gleasons so the size wont be a problem for the Magic Man, we'll see if he can take Cotto punch that what its gonna come down to. Big ups to DERRANGED for pointing that out

But back to Gatti and you DERRANGED i think a Gatti/Vargas match would be quite intresting if held say at a catch weight around 150. Vargas is not the fighter he used to be more defensive now but still has pop. As for Gatti he not obviously the fighter he used to be but still has improved his boxing skills and cannot resist to brawl everyonce and a while.

I think Gatti's best days are behind him but hes still a good boxer with alot of heart. He might be able to get a fringe belt at 147...

gatti isnt a good boxer man...

Ohhh, did I hurt some feelings?

THIS THE SITUATION - Let me tell you this, as you all know I am not a big fan of PBF at all but I do give him credit for beating Zab and didnt resort to thug tactics like Judah, which he could have because PBF was losing for almost the first half of the fight so I do respect that.

SO here it is PBF got skills but not the #1 p4p, PBF is only behind Winky and Manny P, but you know what who ****in cares about p4p ppl have taken it way to seriously. This what needs to happen for PBF to be the "best" next fight needs to be against Margarito and then Hatton no excuses do not cherry pcik some bull**** fighter and dont call urself the champ at wleter b/c u are not

The champ is Baldomir and hes fightin Gatti and since I think I am thee expert or one of thee experts when it comes to Gatti on this board I will tell how I think and how it should shake down at 147. In my opinion I think 147 is going to revolve around Gatti. NOW HOLD UP! (I can already see you guys going for the red karma) because if everything goes right im hoping Gatti can beat Baldy and be the linear champ so this is deal, no way is he fighting PBF again, I dont want to see it and the fans dont want to see it. The plan should be for Gatti to take on Oktay Urkal or the winner of the Cintron/Estrada match up, and then maybe a possible fight with Hatton. Which he then should vacate the title and possibly move to 154 for a possible last fight with vargas.

So that is really what it comes down to at 147 if Gatti beats Baldy it gonna be up to him on how many defense he makes before he vacates the title. In the mean time what should happen is after Collazo Hatton should fight Spinks and Mayweather should fight Margarito and the winner of those 2 should fight for the eventual linear title at 147 that Gatti will vacate


floyd isnt number one p4p becuase he exposed gatti as a one dimensional fighter.
if he gets the belt at 147 its a joke, because everyone knows hes not the true champ.

just face facts that you hate floyd becuase he beat the living **** out of your boy



gatti isnt the key to anything

But back to Gatti and you DERRANGED i think a Gatti/Vargas match would be quite intresting if held say at a catch weight around 150. Vargas is not the fighter he used to be more defensive now but still has pop. As for Gatti he not obviously the fighter he used to be but still has improved his boxing skills and cannot resist to brawl everyonce and a while.

this is not going to happen- after mosely vargas is going to 160-he becomes too depleted at 154. 150 aint happening

floyd isnt number one p4p becuase he exposed gatti as a one dimensional fighter.
if he gets the belt at 147 its a joke, because everyone knows hes not the true champ.

just face facts that you hate floyd becuase he beat the living **** out of your boy



gatti isnt the key to anything

PBF isnt #1 because he doesnt beat the # 1 guys in the division, Look at 140 he tipped toed through that division which had loads of talent. While guys like WInky Wright and and Manny P beat guys that were actually in the top 10 p4p. Once PBF beats Margarito and Hatton , then I will consider him to be #1 maybe even if he beats just one of them.

The title is no joke this is man who worked hard his whole life to become a champ and u call it a joke. The funny thing is Gatti's claim to being a 3 time champ is probably more legit than PBf should he beat Baldy. Eventhough I should reply to ur immature comments I'll drop this knowledge on ya, if ya read my 1st post ud understand my point of Gatti vacating the title b/c their is no worth of another fight w/ PBF, but even without the fight there would be some pretty intrsting match ups for boxing fans and Arturo. Hell Gatti could sell out the Boardwalk Hall fighting you PBF34

PBF isnt #1 because he doesnt beat the # 1 guys in the division, Look at 140 he tipped toed through that division which had loads of talent. While guys like WInky Wright and and Manny P beat guys that were actually in the top 10 p4p. Once PBF beats Margarito and Hatton , then I will consider him to be #1 maybe even if he beats just one of them.

The title is no joke this is man who worked hard his whole life to become a champ and u call it a joke. The funny thing is Gatti's claim to being a 3 time champ is probably more legit than PBf should he beat Baldy. Eventhough I should reply to ur immature comments I'll drop this knowledge on ya, if ya read my 1st post ud understand my point of Gatti vacating the title b/c their is no worth of another fight w/ PBF, but even without the fight there would be some pretty intrsting match ups for boxing fans and Arturo. Hell Gatti could sell out the Boardwalk Hall fighting you PBF34

more legit my ass. gatti fought for a vacant and against tracy patterson

floyd beat hernandez, castillo, gatti and judah.

interesting matchups for gatti? hell yes there are, but that doesnt mean hes the key to 147. hes a brawler at the end of his career.

oh and winky didnt beat any p4p fighters man.
mosley and tito??
not so much

but hey, thanks for "dropping knowledge" :rolleyes:

more legit my ass. gatti fought for a vacant and against tracy patterson

floyd beat hernandez, castillo, gatti and judah.

interesting matchups for gatti? hell yes there are, but that doesnt mean hes the key to 147. hes a brawler at the end of his career.

oh and winky didnt beat any p4p fighters man.
mosley and tito??
not so much

but hey, thanks for "dropping knowledge" :rolleyes:

First off the title ur boy hold now is one of thee most bs titles in recent boxing history...

As for Gatti he holds the key at 147 because should he beat Baldy he will be recognized as the linear champ. Hes not going to fight PBF again so unfortunatly for u and him PBF will have to wait and see what Gatti does before PBF can claim the true title that Gatti should he be victorious will rightly posses. SO why that happens PBF Hatton, Margarito, and possbly spinks and Tszyu will be fighting for the right to be the next champ after Gatti

And r U kiddin me? Mosley was in the top 3 when Winky beat him he came off a win over Oscar who he actually beat twice, and tito has also been in the top ten, hopefully u know Manny P situation on that, and Judah never even cracked the top 10 and when he came close he lost to Baldomir, name a top 10 p4p fighter PBF has beat? Castillo is one but PBF beat him 4 years ago, u do the math on that one

this is not going to happen- after mosely vargas is going to 160-he becomes too depleted at 154. 150 aint happening
this is true, and if the fight did happen vargas would do to gatti what mosley did to him.

Fact - Due to Baldy beating Judah who was the "undisputed champion" at the time, he is and should be considered the champion in the division and the man to beat.

If Gatti beats him which I dont think will be that easy, then he is the main champ. I think if he loses hes done, if he wins then he fights Hatton in his last match. I still think Gatti has some left, but I refuse to judge him on a fight with a guy named Damgard with a grossly padded record.

First off the title ur boy hold now is one of thee most bs titles in recent boxing history...

As for Gatti he holds the key at 147 because should he beat Baldy he will be recognized as the linear champ. Hes not going to fight PBF again so unfortunatly for u and him PBF will have to wait and see what Gatti does before PBF can claim the true title that Gatti should he be victorious will rightly posses. SO why that happens PBF Hatton, Margarito, and possbly spinks and Tszyu will be fighting for the right to be the next champ after Gatti

And r U kiddin me? Mosley was in the top 3 when Winky beat him he came off a win over Oscar who he actually beat twice, and tito has also been in the top ten, hopefully u know Manny P situation on that, and Judah never even cracked the top 10 and when he came close he lost to Baldomir, name a top 10 p4p fighter PBF has beat? Castillo is one but PBF beat him 4 years ago, u do the math on that one


First off, Gatti is not the Key to 147lbs. There is no interest in seeing him fight PBF again. The key to 147lbs will be Margarito, PBF, Hatton and Cotto (only has Paulie and 1 other fight at 140lbs). Dont get me wrong Gatti is great to watch, but he is B level skills with an A heart. Gatti is the Rudy of boxing. He gets crushed by elite fighters and unlike PBF the others on the list have real power and can really hurt Gatti. If he beats Baldi I think he should defend vs other B level opponents and retire or just retire champ, no need to risk serious injury and punishment versus the elites.

Next point is that Winky beat 2 top ten P4P fighters. Yeah a P4P former lightweight and a p4p former jr welter weight. Tito himself never beat a real middleweight. Its a moot point because Winky will lose to a real middle weight and that will be the end of that.

Pacman is 2-1-1 versus top fighters, another very good fighter but not p4p the best.

Nah there's a fighter out there that loves to beat up Italians, and he might take on Gatti IF Gatti beats Baldi, I think his name is Miguel something...;)
That's cause we all focus on Soccer, if italians would give a **** about boxing as much as the rest of the world we'd have a bunch of A class fighters right now.

Gatti the key at 147? You're joking, right? Please tell me this is all one big joke. For the love of god, dude. I understand you're a huge Gatti fan, but what you're saying cannot be justified.

First off the title ur boy hold now is one of thee most bs titles in recent boxing history...

As for Gatti he holds the key at 147 because should he beat Baldy he will be recognized as the linear champ. Hes not going to fight PBF again so unfortunatly for u and him PBF will have to wait and see what Gatti does before PBF can claim the true title that Gatti should he be victorious will rightly posses. SO why that happens PBF Hatton, Margarito, and possbly spinks and Tszyu will be fighting for the right to be the next champ after Gatti

And r U kiddin me? Mosley was in the top 3 when Winky beat him he came off a win over Oscar who he actually beat twice, and tito has also been in the top ten, hopefully u know Manny P situation on that, and Judah never even cracked the top 10 and when he came close he lost to Baldomir, name a top 10 p4p fighter PBF has beat? Castillo is one but PBF beat him 4 years ago, u do the math on that one
and your boy is only famous for beating Irish Micky Ward twice, so you shouldnt be talking too much. yes Gatti is an exiting figther but thats about it, Title contender??? yes when he fights bumbs, what happened when he fought floyd??
he got killed, floyd just dismatled him, and showed the rest of the world who thought Gatti was the ****, how good Gatti really is. so dont even say **** about floyd's titles being bs or his opposition not beaing decent, because your boy's is worse, lets compare Daamgrad and Judah why dont we??? or Ward and Castillo??
Jesse James Leija Vs Corrales?? or Gianluca Branco Vs Corley???
the only good Boxers Gatti has faced are DLH and Pretty Boy and we know how both ended up. i cant believe someone can possibly nut hugg Gatti after what Floyd did to him :boxing:

and your boy is only famous for beating Irish Micky Ward twice, so you shouldnt be talking too much. yes Gatti is an exiting figther but thats about it, Title contender??? yes when he fights bumbs, what happened when he fought floyd??
he got killed, floyd just dismatled him, and showed the rest of the world who thought Gatti was the ****, how good Gatti really is. so dont even say **** about floyd's titles being bs or his opposition not beaing decent, because your boy's is worse, lets compare Daamgrad and Judah why dont we??? or Ward and Castillo??
Jesse James Leija Vs Corrales?? or Gianluca Branco Vs Corley???
the only good Boxers Gatti has faced are DLH and Pretty Boy and we know how both ended up. i cant believe someone can possibly nut hugg Gatti after what Floyd did to him :boxing:


Enough said really.

I like Gatti. I love the heart and spirit this guy has. But, realistically he should avoid fighting anymore and retire. I would hate to see him get beat in the ring any more. His last fight should have been against PBF. He looked horrible in that fight, but maybe that is what PBF does to people.

THIS THE SITUATION - Let me tell you this, as you all know I am not a big fan of PBF at all but I do give him credit for beating Zab and didnt resort to thug tactics like Judah, which he could have because PBF was losing for almost the first half of the fight so I do respect that.

SO here it is PBF got skills but not the #1 p4p, PBF is only behind Winky and Manny P, but you know what who ****in cares about p4p ppl have taken it way to seriously. This what needs to happen for PBF to be the "best" next fight needs to be against Margarito and then Hatton no excuses do not cherry pcik some bull**** fighter and dont call urself the champ at wleter b/c u are not

The champ is Baldomir and hes fightin Gatti and since I think I am thee expert or one of thee experts when it comes to Gatti on this board I will tell how I think and how it should shake down at 147. In my opinion I think 147 is going to revolve around Gatti. NOW HOLD UP! (I can already see you guys going for the red karma) because if everything goes right im hoping Gatti can beat Baldy and be the linear champ so this is deal, no way is he fighting PBF again, I dont want to see it and the fans dont want to see it. The plan should be for Gatti to take on Oktay Urkal or the winner of the Cintron/Estrada match up, and then maybe a possible fight with Hatton. Which he then should vacate the title and possibly move to 154 for a possible last fight with vargas.

So that is really what it comes down to at 147 if Gatti beats Baldy it gonna be up to him on how many defense he makes before he vacates the title. In the mean time what should happen is after Collazo Hatton should fight Spinks and Mayweather should fight Margarito and the winner of those 2 should fight for the eventual linear title at 147 that Gatti will vacate

what u smokin lmfao

u say mayweather cant hand pick people that he has to fight margarito or hatton next

then u say gatti gonna fight baldy urkal and ****ing cintron/estrada winner lmao
u seriously aint even making any sense dude

why this double standard where gatti can fight bums so u can call him great but mayweather cant even get a tune up

remember mayweathers tune up at 147 was sharmba mitchell who wouldve beat gatti
mayweather is one of only a couple fighters that would fight someone as good as mitchell and it be called a tune up

if gattis gonna try sneaking into another title then he at least needs to defend it against championship level opposition and not cintron/estrada winner level

gatti should fight the hatton/collazo winner and unify wba and wbc
mayweather will give up ibf to fight oscar at light middle
castillo might come up there too
cotto might too

so let gatti fight them or admit hes washed up and not parade around calling himself champ after he beats baldomir

Nah there's a fighter out there that loves to beat up Italians, and he might take on Gatti IF Gatti beats Baldi, I think his name is Miguel something...;)


Oooh wow, he beat one guy who stood in front of him for 8 rounds.

First off, Gatti is not the Key to 147lbs. There is no interest in seeing him fight PBF again. The key to 147lbs will be Margarito, PBF, Hatton and Cotto (only has Paulie and 1 other fight at 140lbs). Dont get me wrong Gatti is great to watch, but he is B level skills with an A heart. Gatti is the Rudy of boxing. He gets crushed by elite fighters and unlike PBF the others on the list have real power and can really hurt Gatti.

Exactly.

Nah there's a fighter out there that loves to beat up Italians, and he might take on Gatti IF Gatti beats Baldi, I think his name is Miguel something...;)

Cotto ain't beatin' Gatti, he's too slow with his hands and his chin ain't that great. I know Gatti ain't a great fighter, but he'd be there the whole fight if that's what it took, kind of like Castillo will be. If Gatti went into that fight not trying to be SRR, it would only take a few rounds to wear Cotto down and get him out of there, that is, if Cotto managed to avoid his hooks for that long.

Cotto ain't beatin' Gatti, he's too slow with his hands and his chin ain't that great. I know Gatti ain't a great fighter, but he'd be there the whole fight if that's what it took, kind of like Castillo will be. If Gatti went into that fight not trying to be SRR, it would only take a few rounds to wear Cotto down and get him out of there, that is, if Cotto managed to avoid his hooks for that long.

Like I posted earlier, Gatti himself is vulnerable to punches and cuts always has been, its his ability to overcome both that makes us love him, but he doesnt have the talent to compete with the likes of Hatton, Cotto, Castillo, Margarito, PBF or even Zab if he came into the fight in serious shape. He could get seriously hurt facing them. To believe that Gatti can compete versus elites is thinking with your heart instead of your He is better off fighting Baldomir and retiring champ or getting 1 or 2 defenses vs B level opponents and then retire. Gatti doesnt need to and shouldn't fight the elites to get good pay days. He sells out AC as long as he fights decent competition.

Like I posted earlier, Gatti himself is vulnerable to punches and cuts always has been, its his ability to overcome both that makes us love him, but he doesnt have the talent to compete with the likes of Hatton, Cotto, Castillo, Margarito, PBF or even Zab if he came into the fight in serious shape. He could get seriously hurt facing them. To believe that Gatti can compete versus elites is thinking with your heart instead of your He is better off fighting Baldomir and retiring champ or getting 1 or 2 defenses vs B level opponents and then retire. Gatti doesnt need to and shouldn't fight the elites to get good pay days. He sells out AC as long as he fights decent competition.

i posted that in another thread like this one, thats the biggest favor that the human high light reel can give himself and us, the fans. baldy will be no walk in the park - the guys rugged and if gatti gets out of that unscathed, then he should push for a huge (main events can make any gatti defense huge) fight against the winner of the cintron/estrada fight - win lose or draw he'll go out on his shield and make a good payday.

but it'll be a sad day, if main events pits him w/ either pbf, cotto, margarito, hatton or judah. however, i doubt that happens because carl moretti wanted nothing more than to avoid mayweather and it was gatti who thought he could do something, moretti, a smart business man, if he "loves" gatti like a brother like he says he does, wont put him in w/ the aforementioned.

Like I posted earlier, Gatti himself is vulnerable to punches and cuts always has been, its his ability to overcome both that makes us love him, but he doesnt have the talent to compete with the likes of Hatton, Cotto, Castillo, Margarito, PBF or even Zab if he came into the fight in serious shape. He could get seriously hurt facing them. To believe that Gatti can compete versus elites is thinking with your heart instead of your He is better off fighting Baldomir and retiring champ or getting 1 or 2 defenses vs B level opponents and then retire. Gatti doesnt need to and shouldn't fight the elites to get good pay days. He sells out AC as long as he fights decent competition.

I think if he faces Hatton, he'll lose like Zoo did maybe from a cut or a swollen eye, just because of the workrate Hatton can sustain. I think if he faced Margarito, he'd lose because Margarito is just too rangy and has power. I think if he faced Castillo, he could very well lose because of Castillo's chin and stamina, but it could be a very competetive fight. But Cotto?
C'mon, they're the same fighter with different chins lol
IMHO, Cotto's only chance is to cut Gatti early and get them to stop it, otherwise Gatti will be too much for Cotto. They are both basically skilled brawlers, and I'd easily give the skill edge to Gatti. I agree that Gatti has never been and never will be a great fighter, and he'd probably lose to pretty much everyone you mentioned, but I just can't see Cotto beating him, he just has too many flaws in his defense.

THIS THE SITUATION - Let me tell you this, as you all know I am not a big fan of PBF at all but I do give him credit for beating Zab and didnt resort to thug tactics like Judah, which he could have because PBF was losing for almost the first half of the fight so I do respect that.

SO here it is PBF got skills but not the #1 p4p, PBF is only behind Winky and Manny P, but you know what who ****in cares about p4p ppl have taken it way to seriously. This what needs to happen for PBF to be the "best" next fight needs to be against Margarito and then Hatton no excuses do not cherry pcik some bull**** fighter and dont call urself the champ at wleter b/c u are not

The champ is Baldomir and hes fightin Gatti and since I think I am thee expert or one of thee experts when it comes to Gatti on this board I will tell how I think and how it should shake down at 147. In my opinion I think 147 is going to revolve around Gatti. NOW HOLD UP! (I can already see you guys going for the red karma) because if everything goes right im hoping Gatti can beat Baldy and be the linear champ so this is deal, no way is he fighting PBF again, I dont want to see it and the fans dont want to see it. The plan should be for Gatti to take on Oktay Urkal or the winner of the Cintron/Estrada match up, and then maybe a possible fight with Hatton. Which he then should vacate the title and possibly move to 154 for a possible last fight with vargas.

So that is really what it comes down to at 147 if Gatti beats Baldy it gonna be up to him on how many defense he makes before he vacates the title. In the mean time what should happen is after Collazo Hatton should fight Spinks and Mayweather should fight Margarito and the winner of those 2 should fight for the eventual linear title at 147 that Gatti will vacate

you are out of your ****ing mind

I think if he faces Hatton, he'll lose like Zoo did maybe from a cut or a swollen eye, just because of the workrate Hatton can sustain. I think if he faced Margarito, he'd lose because Margarito is just too rangy and has power. I think if he faced Castillo, he could very well lose because of Castillo's chin and stamina, but it could be a very competetive fight. But Cotto?
C'mon, they're the same fighter with different chins lolIMHO, Cotto's only chance is to cut Gatti early and get them to stop it, otherwise Gatti will be too much for Cotto. They are both basically skilled brawlers, and I'd easily give the skill edge to Gatti. I agree that Gatti has never been and never will be a great fighter, and he'd probably lose to pretty much everyone you mentioned, but I just can't see Cotto beating him, he just has too many flaws in his defense.

dude - thats just disrespectful - same fighter, gatti was never the boxer that cotto is, has the ring generalship that cotto has, the body work that cotto can dish out (a body stoppage of dorin doesn't count) and the most blatant thing, the power that cotto has.

i feel that after lamps/merchant said that, after the fight w/ torres, that hes the "next gatti" that the gatti fans that realize that gatti is not as good as they thought have taken that comment and ran with it.

dude - thats just disrespectful - same fighter, gatti was never the boxer that cotto is, has the ring generalship that cotto has, the body work that cotto can dish out (a body stoppage of dorin doesn't count) and the most blatant thing, the power that cotto has.

i feel that after lamps/merchant said that, after the fight w/ torres, that hes the "next gatti" that the gatti fans that realize that gatti is not as good as they thought have taken that comment and ran with it.

C'mon man, you don't see it?
He looked just like Cotto did against Abdul..whatever his name is when he fought Leija. Gatti doesn't move that well in reverse, but neither does Cotto, and Cotto is a plodder big time when he comes forward, much like Gatti. I can't see how everyone thinks Cotto has so much more power than Gatti, they are pretty much the same size, and I have never seen Cotto put punches together the way Gatti has in so many of his fights. If Gatti came in and tried to box Cotto, I could see where that would be a mistake, but if he came in and fought, I can't see Cotto holding up.

EDIT: I just wanted to add that I don't mean to disrespect Cotto or any of his fans, this is only my opinion.

i think gatti should (hopefully) win the belts from baldy, then have a final easy fight for the fans in AC

C'mon man, you don't see it?
He looked just like Cotto did against Abdul..whatever his name is when he fought Leija. Gatti doesn't move that well in reverse, but neither does Cotto, and Cotto is a plodder big time when he comes forward, much like Gatti. I can't see how everyone thinks Cotto has so much more power than Gatti, they are pretty much the same size, and I have never seen Cotto put punches together the way Gatti has in so many of his fights. If Gatti came in and tried to box Cotto, I could see where that would be a mistake, but if he came in and fought, I can't see Cotto holding up.

EDIT: I just wanted to add that I don't mean to disrespect Cotto or any of his fans, this is only my opinion.

Understood, and just to point out also I'm a huge Gatti fan and love his heart. I truly consider him the Rudy of boxing, if he had the talent of a Zab he could've been an all time great.

I also think that Cotto is more polished than Gatti, however I do agree with your assesment of Cotto putting his punches together recently. But you have to look at his fights of a couple of years ago to see his fluid combinations. I am of the oppinion that his making weight has taken some polish off of him but that he will return to earlier form at 147lbs.

Cotto has better hand speed than Gatti had and more pop. Gatti has the heart but he has been rocked and floored by multiple fighters, but he still gets up and thats why he is exciting. Cotto has also been rocked by multiple fighters but I think he has also shown heart in that he showed good recuperative ability and actually knocked out the two fighters who rocked him.

i think gatti should (hopefully) win the belts from baldy, then have a final easy fight for the fans in AC

My sentiments exactly, I really like Gatti and after he hopefully beats Baldy, it would be nice to have a final farewell fight in AC and retire on top. I also think Gatti has an excellent post fighting career due to his popularity.

I dont want to see Gatti go down the road Holyfield is going, with clearly diminished physical skills and apparent brain damage (at least where speech is concerned).

My sentiments exactly, I really like Gatti and after he hopefully beats Baldy, it would be nice to have a final farewell fight in AC and retire on top. I also think Gatti has an excellent post fighting career due to his popularity.

I dont want to see Gatti go down the road Holyfield is going, with clearly diminished physical skills and apparent brain damage (at least where speech is concerned).

Yeah I would hate to see that, he's worked hard his whole career, and I think he deserves to enjoy life.

'Kay, hands up...Who wants to see Mayweather-Gatti II? :rofl:

You're serious?? GATTI IS A B LEVEL FIGHTER. SO HE SHOULD CONCENTRATE ON FIGHTING B LEVEL OPPONENTS.


in my opinion i think vargas is now also ;)

in my opinion i think vargas is now also ;)

Gotta agree with you there. They put him in too soon versus Tito and ODLH who both gave him hilacious beatings, I think he is a shot fighter. He still has some skills left but its not at the elite A level but more at the B.

Gatti is a drunk

what u smokin lmfao

u say mayweather cant hand pick people that he has to fight margarito or hatton next

then u say gatti gonna fight baldy urkal and ****ing cintron/estrada winner lmao
u seriously aint even making any sense dude

why this double standard where gatti can fight bums so u can call him great but mayweather cant even get a tune up

remember mayweathers tune up at 147 was sharmba mitchell who wouldve beat gatti
mayweather is one of only a couple fighters that would fight someone as good as mitchell and it be called a tune up

if gattis gonna try sneaking into another title then he at least needs to defend it against championship level opposition and not cintron/estrada winner level

gatti should fight the hatton/collazo winner and unify wba and wbc
mayweather will give up ibf to fight oscar at light middle
castillo might come up there too
cotto might too

so let gatti fight them or admit hes washed up and not parade around calling himself champ after he beats baldomir

My point is man PBF is calling himself the best in world. Gatti isnt making that claim about himself and Im not making that claim about Gatti. So clealy to be the best in the world you have to fight the best in the world and PBF hasnt fought the best in the world since 2002.

He skipped through 140 and picked the weakest title holder in Gatti and instead of staying he skipped and fought a shot Shambra Mitchell at 147. You know PBF talks about giving his fans the best fights out there and can any of you PBF honestly say that PBF v. Mitchell was something you were dying to see?????

The Judah was a step up, Zab got skills but is not as mentally sound as PBF. Now I hear PBF wants Margarito. All I can say is, ITS ABOUT TIME. When he fights the best and beats the best I give him credit and that is what it looks like he is doing now, but as a fan I dont just give my respect out b/c PBF says I should or Bob Arum, it has to be earned

That is what is wrong with a lot ppl who post on this site, they see something they disagree with and they turn it around and slam on the person with a different opinion which is wrong. And my post makes perfect sense if you read it. If Gatti beats Baldy he is the champ and it is up to his decsion making on who will got a shot at the title, THAT is why he is the key. To be the champ who have to beat the champ

My point is man PBF is calling himself the best in world. Gatti isnt making that claim about himself and Im not making that claim about Gatti. So clealy to be the best in the world you have to fight the best in the world and PBF hasnt fought the best in the world since 2002.

He skipped through 140 and picked the weakest title holder in Gatti and instead of staying he skipped and fought a shot Shambra Mitchell at 147. You know PBF talks about giving his fans the best fights out there and can any of you PBF honestly say that PBF v. Mitchell was something you were dying to see?????

The Judah was a step up, Zab got skills but is not as mentally sound as PBF. Now I hear PBF wants Margarito. All I can say is, ITS ABOUT TIME. When he fights the best and beats the best I give him credit and that is what it looks like he is doing now, but as a fan I dont just give my respect out b/c PBF says I should or Bob Arum, it has to be earned

That is what is wrong with a lot ppl who post on this site, they see something they disagree with and they turn it around and slam on the person with a different opinion which is wrong. And my post makes perfect sense if you read it. If Gatti beats Baldy he is the champ and it is up to his decsion making on who will got a shot at the title, THAT is why he is the key. To be the champ who have to beat the champ

dude, hatton didn't want that fight at the time, noted all over different sites and bob arum would not pit cotto w/ pbf while at 140 - he had no choice. gatti served as the most exposure. mitchell although shot, provided another name. you can't **** on mayweathers resume, he, maybe only recently behind pacman has the best resume out there.

Gatti cannot compete with any A or B level fighter. I bet if he fought Judah or Mitchell he will probably struggle and loose. Baldomir? He got a win over Judah that does not make him the best out there. You can say Baldomir and Maussa are on the same skill level. They fought a weak champion and obtained a belt now Maussa lost his and Baldomir will too. Baldomir is weak. He is thinking of retirement even as he goes into this fight. PBF whipped, beat, destroyed, embarassed Gatti and you are saying he is the truth. Cmon man be real. Gatti is nothing but a tourist attraction in AC. In boxing he is done. The guy has alot of heart but not the skills. He has proven many times over that he cannot compete with elite fighters only C-level and below losses to: (Oscar, Ivan Robinson, Angel Manfredy,Micky Ward and PBF. What top fighter has he beaten?

Gatti is a drunk

I didn't know that, but to be fair, so is JCC.
I know that JCC is leagues above Gatti, but
it's the same thing, fans worshipping a drunk lol

Gatti cannot compete with any A or B level fighter. I bet if he fought Judah or Mitchell he will probably struggle and loose. Baldomir? He got a win over Judah that does not make him the best out there. You can say Baldomir and Maussa are on the same skill level. They fought a weak champion and obtained a belt now Maussa lost his and Baldomir will too. Baldomir is weak. He is thinking of retirement even as he goes into this fight. PBF whipped, beat, destroyed, embarassed Gatti and you are saying he is the truth. Cmon man be real. Gatti is nothing but a tourist attraction in AC. In boxing he is done. The guy has alot of heart but not the skills. He has proven many times over that he cannot compete with elite fighters only C-level and below losses to: (Oscar, Ivan Robinson, Angel Manfredy,Micky Ward and PBF. What top fighter has he beaten?

I don't think he ever said Gatti was the truth, just that if he were to beat Baldomir, he should be the champ. I guess you could say that currently, Baldomir and PBF have equal claim to the title, even though Floyd is by far the superior fighter. His point is that Baldomir didn't lose the belt in the ring, but outside it, over money. I don't think anyone's deluded about where Gatti stands in boxing, he's just making a small point.
This would have been Gatti's chance to go out on a high note.

THIS THE SITUATION - Let me tell you this, as you all know I am not a big fan of PBF at all but I do give him credit for beating Zab and didnt resort to thug tactics like Judah, which he could have because PBF was losing for almost the first half of the fight so I do respect that.

SO here it is PBF got skills but not the #1 p4p, PBF is only behind Winky and Manny P, but you know what who ****in cares about p4p ppl have taken it way to seriously. This what needs to happen for PBF to be the "best" next fight needs to be against Margarito and then Hatton no excuses do not cherry pcik some bull**** fighter and dont call urself the champ at wleter b/c u are not

The champ is Baldomir and hes fightin Gatti and since I think I am thee expert or one of thee experts when it comes to Gatti on this board I will tell how I think and how it should shake down at 147. In my opinion I think 147 is going to revolve around Gatti. NOW HOLD UP! (I can already see you guys going for the red karma) because if everything goes right im hoping Gatti can beat Baldy and be the linear champ so this is deal, no way is he fighting PBF again, I dont want to see it and the fans dont want to see it. The plan should be for Gatti to take on Oktay Urkal or the winner of the Cintron/Estrada match up, and then maybe a possible fight with Hatton. Which he then should vacate the title and possibly move to 154 for a possible last fight with vargas.

So that is really what it comes down to at 147 if Gatti beats Baldy it gonna be up to him on how many defense he makes before he vacates the title. In the mean time what should happen is after Collazo Hatton should fight Spinks and Mayweather should fight Margarito and the winner of those 2 should fight for the eventual linear title at 147 that Gatti will vacate

only ppl who think gatti is the "key" are italians...end of story

only ppl who think gatti is the "key" are italians...end of story

Try to read the post without an agenda, stop being a dick.

Nah there's a fighter out there that loves to beat up Italians, and he might take on Gatti IF Gatti beats Baldi, I think his name is Miguel something...;)

Gatti is Italian?

I know its a Itallian name, but he looks puerto rican. At least he has a, mongoloid nose. Maybe its just from fighting alot.

My point is man PBF is calling himself the best in world. Gatti isnt making that claim about himself and Im not making that claim about Gatti. So clealy to be the best in the world you have to fight the best in the world and PBF hasnt fought the best in the world since 2002.

He skipped through 140 and picked the weakest title holder in Gatti and instead of staying he skipped and fought a shot Shambra Mitchell at 147. You know PBF talks about giving his fans the best fights out there and can any of you PBF honestly say that PBF v. Mitchell was something you were dying to see?????

The Judah was a step up, Zab got skills but is not as mentally sound as PBF. Now I hear PBF wants Margarito. All I can say is, ITS ABOUT TIME. When he fights the best and beats the best I give him credit and that is what it looks like he is doing now, but as a fan I dont just give my respect out b/c PBF says I should or Bob Arum, it has to be earned

That is what is wrong with a lot ppl who post on this site, they see something they disagree with and they turn it around and slam on the person with a different opinion which is wrong. And my post makes perfect sense if you read it. If Gatti beats Baldy he is the champ and it is up to his decsion making on who will got a shot at the title, THAT is why he is the key. To be the champ who have to beat the champ

man, can u please let it go that gatti got destroyed by floyd and stop hating.

gatti isnt the key to 147, and floyd is number 1 p4p



oh and tito wasnt top ten after the mayo fight. mosley wasnt top 3 after the gift in the second oscar fight. please get your **** straight man

Gatti is Italian?

I know its a Itallian name, but he looks puerto rican. At least he has a, mongoloid nose. Maybe its just from fighting alot.

I think it's been broken, that may have something to do with it.
His ancestors are from Italy, but I think he was born in Canada.

I think it's been broken, that may have something to do with it.
His ancestors are from Italy, but I think he was born in Canada.

born in italy, moved to canada right after he was born, grew up in canada, moved to jersey city

man, can u please let it go that gatti got destroyed by floyd and stop hating.

gatti isnt the key to 147, and floyd is number 1 p4p



oh and tito wasnt top ten after the mayo fight. mosley wasnt top 3 after the gift in the second oscar fight. please get your **** straight man


You still dont get it man, its no use talkin to u, my basis for p4p is skill and quality of opposition. The skill for PBF is there is opposition is not. You cannot honestly say PBf has beaten guy is the top 10 since 2002 that doesnt cut it on my list. PBF other opposition is inferior when compared to winky and manny p. While Winky has great skills and has fought better opposition p4p material. Manny P also has good skills and has fought the best most in p4p top 10.

And my point for this thread is that if Gatti beats Baldy he would be recognized the champ not by just me, but the world, its called a linear champion, he would be rewarded w/ the ring belt along w/ the WBC belt which has a ton of more worth than that IBF strap PBF has got. It is just funny how thing work out man, deal with it.

It just happens when kids like you think ppl downplay their fighter they try and cause a ruckus. If you read my posts Im not downplayin on PBF's skills at all just the quality of his opponets recently, Zab is an improvement and Margarito would be great but give us Hatton after that please.

You still dont get it man, its no use talkin to u, my basis for p4p is skill and quality of opposition. The skill for PBF is there is opposition is not. You cannot honestly say PBf has beaten guy is the top 10 since 2002 that doesnt cut it on my list. PBF other opposition is inferior when compared to winky and manny p. While Winky has great skills and has fought better opposition p4p material. Manny P also has good skills and has fought the best most in p4p top 10.

And my point for this thread is that if Gatti beats Baldy he would be recognized the champ not by just me, but the world, its called a linear champion, he would be rewarded w/ the ring belt along w/ the WBC belt which has a ton of more worth than that IBF strap PBF has got. It is just funny how thing work out man, deal with it.

It just happens when kids like you think ppl downplay their fighter they try and cause a ruckus. If you read my posts Im not downplayin on PBF's skills at all just the quality of his opponets recently, Zab is an improvement and Margarito would be great but give us Hatton after that please.

i understand your point for this thread, and realize gatti would be linear champ, but you need to realize that floyd is number one p4p. honestly, just put the fact that you dislike him behind you and recognize his skills, level of opposition and the way hes continuted to win even though hes consistantly been moving up in weight.

and floyd wants hatton, but hattons camp released a statement that said they dont want floyd until 2007!!!
in addition to that, floyd is looking for a match with margirito next!
just read some basic boxing news and maybe youll gather whats been going on with floyd recently, instead of making incorrect assumptions

Gatti's a product buddy. No doubt he was probably one of the most exciting fighters EVER - and that's gotta account for something but he is the most hyped, created fighter of all time. Every time he stepped up his competition he got beaten to a bloody pulp. I for one don't want to see Gatti owned once again at 147. Fight Baldomir and lose, which he will, and then get out of the fight game.