Mayweather coulden't knock down Judah, however Judah did catch Mayweather with some shots and possibly you can even call one of them Mayweathers second career knockdown. Tszyu said he was interested in a big money fight, a fight against Mayweather would do it, who wins it and why?

I'd say Tszyu by KO because Mayweathers style is perfect for him & no I ain't joking :p

floyd wont get tagged and will win a wide ud

If the Tzuyu who fought Judah could fight mayweather now it would be really interesting. However, I just don't know how much he has left. The ability to fight 12 hard rounds disipates past 35 so I think Mayweather would put him away in the later rounds

Mayweather wins it on points rather easily. I think Mayweather would have more trouble with Hatton than Tszyu.

I have it the other way round, zoo is made for floyd. He is not a high output fighter like castillo or hatton, he is not fast as judah or hatton. Those are the things I see floyd having problems with, not Zoo's sledgehammer right hand.

Floyd by Ud Zoo does not have the speed and reflexes to bother him.

The reason I said Mayweather is made for Tszyu is because if you watched the Hatton fight, Hatton to go inside and constant pressure. In a way he wrestled his way with Tszyu to prevent him from getting comftable and throwing any power shots. Mayweather just stands there and picks his shots, Tszyu will land that huge punch, even Judah and Mitchell were able to tag Mayweather a few times, but Tszyu has much more power than both of them. I think he would train really hard for this fight, and I hope it happens next and winner fights Hatton. That seems fair?

If Hatton can make Kostya Quit, Pretty boy would frustate him, because floyd's movement is much better than hatton, much better defense. he would frustrate him all night, Kostya would miss all the time and eventually Quit around the 8th round.

A prime Kostya beats Mayweather, I think. That low stance, and powerful jab, KO power in both hands- I think Kostya is just made for taking out Mayweather. His punches are shorter, straighter and more powerful than Judahs, and he has a far better chin, and better stamina than Judah as well. The big question is- does Kostya still have that one great performance left in him? It's doubtful. He'd have to really turn back the clock, and he'd be 37, right? He should probably stay retired.

The reason I said Mayweather is made for Tszyu is because if you watched the Hatton fight, Hatton to go inside and constant pressure. In a way he wrestled his way with Tszyu to prevent him from getting comftable and throwing any power shots. Mayweather just stands there and picks his shots, Tszyu will land that huge punch, even Judah and Mitchell were able to tag Mayweather a few times, but Tszyu has much more power than both of them. I think he would train really hard for this fight, and I hope it happens next and winner fights Hatton. That seems fair?

Mitchell landed because floyd fought aggressively (and mitchell is a southpaw)
Judah is faster than zoo, and a southpaw: Judah landing on floyd does not mean zoo landing on floyd

Zoo's right is a sledgehammer, but it's not coming out of nowhere...

Tszyu won't be able to chase Mayweather around the ring for 9-10 rounds. He'll quit in the late rounds.

Mitchell landed because floyd fought aggressively (and mitchell is a southpaw)
Judah is faster than zoo, and a southpaw: Judah landing on floyd does not mean zoo landing on floyd

Zoo's right is a sledgehammer, but it's not coming out of nowhere...

Do you agree tho that it seems like a fair fight if Mayweather wishes not to fight Margarito, that he fights Tszyu and then if Hatton wins his matchup, Hatton fights the winner of Tszyu/Mayweather. This gives Margarito time to build up his stock because even with a title he doesn't even match the promotion capabilities of Judah at this point because he has no memorable wins for the common man.

Tszyu won't be able to chase Mayweather around the ring for 9-10 rounds. He'll quit in the late rounds.

Mayweather will come to him, and if he takes this fight he will train really hard I'd guess because it would be the fight to save his career in a way and set him up for a huge money rematch with Hatton.

Hatton was the one that chased Tszyu around for 11 rounds, so I don't know why Tszyu would chase Mayweather around.

Mayweather will come to him, and if he takes this fight he will train really hard I'd guess because it would be the fight to save his career in a way and set him up for a huge money rematch with Hatton.

Hatton was the one that chased Tszyu around for 11 rounds, so I don't know why Tszyu would chase Mayweather around.

You think Mayweather will stand and trade with Tszyu? :confused:

I pick Kostya in this one if it was him when he was younger.

You think Mayweather will stand and trade with Tszyu? :confused:

I don't know, I'd sure like to know so hopefully the fight happens next cause both fighters are looking for big $$ fights and this one would do it.

Do you agree tho that it seems like a fair fight if Mayweather wishes not to fight Margarito, that he fights Tszyu and then if Hatton wins his matchup, Hatton fights the winner of Tszyu/Mayweather. This gives Margarito time to build up his stock because even with a title he doesn't even match the promotion capabilities of Judah at this point because he has no memorable wins for the common man.

Man, I am all the way for seeing zoo fight again (I mean who doesn't?)? if he still has it at his age (dont want him to get hurt, he would be 37).

and I don't think it would be a walk in the park for mahyweather: I just think he would get the W.

Easily a decision and the ***** Kostya would quit and his fans wouldn't think any less of him for not continuing the fight. Once a fighter quits, it takes a lot to get me to watch them. don't care to see Kostya again.

These people voting for Kostya are stupid too. Nevermind Kostya isn't nearly as fast nor as agile Zab, but Zab probably punches just as hard as Kostya.

No version of Tszyu would've beaten PBF, the younger Tszyu or the older Tszyu. This will be an easy fight for PBF. Tsyzu will quit after 7 rounds.

I like Tszyu, but the guy gets extremely overrated by his fans.

but Zab probably punches just as hard as Kostya.

Zab doesn't punch 1/16th as hard as Kostya Tszyu.

tszyu is too slow, too predictible, too old, and too right handed for mayweather to have many problems with him. mayweather above all is adaptable and judahs southpaw speed posed more of a prob then will tszyu's plodding and "big right hand."

Easily a decision and the ***** Kostya would quit and his fans wouldn't think any less of him for not continuing the fight. Once a fighter quits, it takes a lot to get me to watch them. don't care to see Kostya again.

These people voting for Kostya are stupid too. Nevermind Kostya isn't nearly as fast nor as agile Zab, but Zab probably punches just as hard as Kostya.

once a fighter quits, I do this and I do that... all from the comfort of my computer

whatever...

btw zoo is far more powerful than zab, hatton constructed his strategy on just ONE idea, not letting zoo load his right hand.

I obviously agree he is slower, in fact I picked floyd by UD

As much as I respect Tszyu as a great fighter I think he would be a sitting duck for Mayweather.

Think round 1 of Tszyu/Judah but only for 12 rounds.

I guess Mayweather by wide UD is the easy answer here but there could be some shaky moments for Floyd is Tszyu shows up.

once a fighter quits, I do this and I do that... all from the comfort of my computer

whatever...

btw zoo is far more powerful than zab, hatton constructed his strategy on just ONE idea, not letting zoo load his right hand.

I obviously agree he is slower, in fact I picked floyd by UD

tszyu's power is overrated- what are you basing this on? that he took out zab? mitchell?
remeber how his "big right" was nullified and ineffective against hatton?

tszyu's power is overrated- what are you basing this on? that he took out zab? mitchell?
remeber how his "big right" was nullified and ineffective against hatton?Good post, I agree Tyszu power is overrated. Zab actually has much more deadlier knockouts in his career then Tszyu.

I like Kostya a lot, but I think PBF will win by a decision.

Tzsyu will have a good chance to knock PBF down. I am not sure about KO.

even though i love tszyu and voted for him on this poll, the guy is old and also very inactive.....so you'd think mayweather would be far the favourite...having said that, you can never write tszyu off!

whoever thinks tszyu is over-rated, how many other ppl have did what he has does?...Remember he won his title by KTFO the champ, he then unified the division by KTFO-ing other champs!!!...then he fought and KTFO about 10 or so world champions!!

even though i love tszyu and voted for him on this poll, the guy is old and also very inactive.....so you'd think mayweather would be far the favourite...having said that, you can never write tszyu off!

whoever thinks tszyu is over-rated, how many other ppl have did what he has does?...Remember he won his title by KTFO the champ, he then unified the division by KTFO-ing other champs!!!...then he fought and KTFO about 10 or so world champions!!I like Tszyu, but the fact is he has beaten many over the hill fighters. His 2 biggest wins were against Zab & Mitchell.

OK, are you guys comparing Kostya? Or Kostya and Mayweather?

Mayweather hit Judah about 100 times, flush with power shots, and never once seriously hurt him. The first good shot Kostya landed, Judah was flopping around the ring like a fish and it was over. LOL I mean, even Baldomir was more impressive against Judah than Mayweather was, for God's sake. Baldomir lost some of the early rounds against Judah, and so did Mayweather. Mayweather even got dropped early against Judah. Baldomir had Judah almost out and holding on for dear life. LOL Judah wasn't really even concerned about getting hit by Mayweather, until he just got too tired late. He was keeping his right hand low, even...all he was trying to do was get Mayweather to throw, even if he got hit, who cares, so long as he got a chance to land that left. If Judah can take those and isn't concerned about them, then imagine what kind of a fight you would see with a fearless Kostya coming in with short, accurate punches for 12 rounds (or Hatton). Hehe. Mayweather better keep fighting losers.

As for Judah's punch vs. Kostya's. They are both powerful punchers, but Kostya is a better overall puncher. His punches are shorter, and he varies the head and body, and left and rights, much better than Judah. If Mayweather gets dropped by that little right against Judah, then imagine when Kostya lands. After a couple of rounds, all Judah was doing was loading up with the left- which is just too long of a punch to land on someone like Mayweather. Kostya's punches are much shorter and more precise.

LOL I mean, even Baldomir was more impressive against Judah than Mayweather wasI stopped reading after this quote. :rolleyes:

Mayweather did not sit down on his shots because he had to get in and out because of Judahs speed. A prime Zoo would look like round 1 of Judah VS Zoo. Floyd would use his speed but would not make the same mental mistakes and he would pick zoo apart.

I stopped reading after this comment. :rolleyes:

LOL Did Baldomir not have Judah totally out on his feet at least twice and not sweep the entire 2nd half of the fight?

Mayweather got dropped early, lost some early rounds, and lost the last 2 championship rounds. Yeah, Mayweather won the fight, but so what? Of all Judah's losses, I'd say that was the least impressive. I even liked what Spinks did against Judah in thier first fight better than that. Spinks got careless late and got tagged, but he put on a total clinic against Judah. Mayweather really only started to look good once Judah got tired in the 2nd half of the fight. And never once knocked him down or even hurt him, and made it a close fight. P4P #1? Nah, not a chance. If so, then Baldomir is P4P #2. ROFL

So skip over it all you want, it doesn't make it any less true. :)

Mayweather coulden't knock down Judah, however Judah did catch Mayweather with some shots and possibly you can even call one of them Mayweathers second career knockdown. Tszyu said he was interested in a big money fight, a fight against Mayweather would do it, who wins it and why?

I'd say Tszyu by KO because Mayweathers style is perfect for him & no I ain't joking :p


Tszyu at age 36? no,. Tszyu at age 30, one punch kayo for Kostya.

LOL Did Baldomir not have Judah totally out on his feet at least twice and not sweep the entire 2nd half of the fight?

The Baldy fight was a close fight, I had Baldy winning by one point, the Mayweather fight was not a close fight.

Also Zab was 100% against PBF & around 50% against Baldy.If you like to compare fights, how about Tszyu getting stopped by Vince Phillips in his prime. You know how many times Vince Phillips lost?? ;)

LOL Did Baldomir not have Judah totally out on his feet at least twice and not sweep the entire 2nd half of the fight?

Mayweather got dropped early, lost some early rounds, and lost the last 2 championship rounds. Yeah, Mayweather won the fight, but so what? Of all Judah's losses, I'd say that was the least impressive. I even liked what Spinks did against Judah in thier first fight better than that. Spinks got careless late and got tagged, but he put on a total clinic against Judah. Mayweather really only started to look good once Judah got tired in the 2nd half of the fight. And never once knocked him down or even hurt him, and made it a close fight. P4P #1? Nah, not a chance. If so, then Baldomir is P4P #2. ROFL

So skip over it all you want, it doesn't make it any less true. :)


The second half of the fight dosent begin after the 3rd round.

I see a lot of Hatton fans are encouraged by last nights performance,and now think they have assurance that Hatton beats Floyd,HATE TO BREAK IT TO YOU but Judah and Hatton are two completely diffrent Stylistic matchups for Floyd and last nights fight dosent tell us anything about what a Hatton-Floyd matchup would look like.

The second half of the fight dosent begin after the 3rd round.

I see a lot of Hatton fans are encouraged by last nights performance,and now think they have assurance that Hatton beats Floyd,HATE TO BREAK IT TO YOU but Judah and Hatton are two completely diffrent Stylistic matchups for Floyd and last nights fight dosent tell us anything about what a Hatton-Floyd matchup would look like.

Yes, they are two completely different matchups. Against Hatton, Mayweather will face a better chin, better workrate, better stamina, and a stronger fighter, who will stalk him relentlessly for a full 36 minutes. Good point!!

KT is too old to put up with the blinding speed of Mayweather. PBF by a wide UD.

yeah, i say Mayweather by another impressive decision

Yes, they are two completely different matchups. Against Hatton, Mayweather will face a better chin, better workrate, better stamina, and a stronger fighter, who will stalk him relentlessly for a full 36 minutes. Good point!!

You are my slave.




Now your just generalizing,like I said,you have no case if all youre going by is yesterdays fight.

The Baldy fight was a close fight, I had Baldy winning by one point, the Mayweather fight was not a close fight.

Also Zab was 100% against PBF & around 50% against Baldy.If you like to compare fights, how about Tszyu getting stopped by Vince Phillips in his prime. You know how many times Vince Phillips lost?? ;)

I think Mayweather won by 3 points. It was a clear win, yes, but certainly nothing to get excited about. When is the last time Mayweather was really impressive against a world champion calibur fighter who wasn't coming off of a loss in his last major fight? You have to go back to Corrales like 5-6 years ago. LOL

And speaking of years ago, yes Kostya stumbled against Phillips (Kostya-haters digging it out, right on cue), and then ran like a freight train through the best in the division for years and years. Basically all Floyd has done in the past year is pick scraps from Kostya's table fighting losers. Did he win? Yes. But so what? That's what happens when you fight losers, you win, but unless you utterly dominate, then you still lose.

You are my slave.




Now your just generalizing,like I said,you have no case if all youre going by is yesterdays fight.

Uh, yeah. I'm your slave. :YAWN:

You think Mayweather was really impressive in the first half of the Judah fight? OK, fine. We TOTALLY disagree, that's all.

What am I generalizing from only yesterday's fight? Did you even read my post? I talked about much more than that. Read again.

You think Mayweather was really impressive in the first half of the Judah fight? OK, fine. We TOTALLY disagree, that's all.



You said Mayweather only looked good when Judah gassed out in the second half of the fight,all I said was the second half of the fight doesnt begin after the 3rd round.Ive said in other posts since the fight that Judah gave Mayweather problems in those early rounds,I never said otherwise.


What am I generalizing from only yesterday's fight? Did you even read my post? I talked about much more than that. Read again.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1392453
Where I said Judah-PBF tells us nothing about PBF-Hatton,you felt the need to respond with why Hatton is better.

I think Mayweather won by 3 points. It was a clear win, yes, but certainly nothing to get excited about. When is the last time Mayweather was really impressive against a world champion calibur fighter who wasn't coming off of a loss in his last major fight? You have to go back to Corrales like 5-6 years ago. LOL

And speaking of years ago, yes Kostya stumbled against Phillips (Kostya-haters digging it out, right on cue), and then ran like a freight train through the best in the division for years and years. Basically all Floyd has done in the past year is pick scraps from Kostya's table fighting losers. Did he win? Yes. But so what? That's what happens when you fight losers, you win, but unless you utterly dominate, then you still lose. PBF resume destroys Tszyu's resume.

Yea you had it by 3 points, now I know. Zab clearly won rounds 2 & 4, rounds 1 & 12 was
10-10 rounds. PBF won rounds 3,5,6,7,8,9,10,11.

Also fact is Tszyu was KTFO by not an elite fighter in his prime.

You said Mayweather only looked good when Judah gassed out in the second half of the fight,all I said was the second half of the fight doesnt begin after the 3rd round.Ive said in other posts since the fight that Judah gave Mayweather problems in those early rounds,I never said otherwise.



http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1392453
Where I said Judah-PBF tells us nothing about PBF-Hatton,you felt the need to respond with why Hatton is better.

LOL Dude, WTF are you even saying? It almost sounds like you are arguing with yourself and trying your best to create some type of complicated circular logic.

You said Judah and Hatton create different stylistic matchups, yes? And I agreed with you and said why. What are you even arguing about? Geez. I'm so utterly bored with this dicussion. You aren't even really discussing anything. You're arguing over semantics. LOL

Mayweather is not a welterweight.

Kostya would out-point him, he's so much stronger than Mayweather.

PBF resume destroys Tszyu's resume.

Yea you had it by 3 points, now I know. Zab clearly won rounds 2 & 4, rounds 1 & 12 was
10-10 rounds. PBF won rounds 3,5,6,7,8,9,10,11.

Also fact is Tszyu was KTFO by not an elite fighter in his prime.

Yes, Kostya lost to Phillips. I think we have established that. LOL Yes, he had one loss in like 15 years. LOL Your point?

Scoring even rounds is a cop-out. One fighter almost ALWAYS wins the round. You had Mayweather beating Castillo by what? 5 points in their first fight? (an UTTERLY ridiculous score) So I think your scoring ability speaks for itself.

Floyd's resume DESTROYS Kostya's? LOL OK...

Are you counting the last 2 scraps Floyd picked from Kostya and Baldomir's table? Or the split with Castillo? Or do you go back 5-6 years to his last impressive performance against a top fighter, Corrales? Just curious...

Kostya is older and slower. However, he still has his punch, it's a 50/50 fight. It's really about whether Kostya will land or not.

Yes, Kostya lost to Phillips. I think we have established that. LOL Yes, he had one loss in like 15 years. LOL Your point?

Scoring even rounds is a cop-out. One fighter almost ALWAYS wins the round. You had Mayweather beating Castillo by what? 5 points in their first fight? (an UTTERLY ridiculous score) So I think your scoring ability speaks for itself.

Floyd's resume DESTROYS Kostya's? LOL OK...

Are you counting the last 2 scraps Floyd picked from Kostya and Baldomir's table? Or the split with Castillo? Or do you go back 5-6 years to his last impressive performance against a top fighter, Corrales? Just curious...Yea I know why you had PBF winning the first fight, because you just proved with your biased scoring on this fight.

Even rounds is not a cop-out, I score many rounds even, only biased people doesn't score even rounds.

The last 2 scraps that Floyd picked was Tszyu best wins in his career. :rolleyes:

Next?

You said Judah and Hatton create different stylistic matchups, yes? And I agreed with you and said why. What are you even arguing about? Geez. I'm so utterly bored with this dicussion.

No you didnt, you said some smart ass comment and expected me to take you seriously,like saying "he'll beat him because i said so!" is some kind of ****ing argument all of a sudden.
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My original post was @ Hatton fans voting for Tszyu beating mayweather,and implying that yesterdays fight somehow showed that Hatton would beat mayweather,K? That was too funny to me and I had to point it out,K?

Yea I know why you had PBF winning the first fight, because you just proved with your biased scoring on this fight.

Even rounds is not a cop-out, I score many rounds even, only biased people doesn't score even rounds.

The last 2 scraps that Floyd picked was Tszyu best wins in his career. :rolleyes:

Next?

LOL Preach on with your Freudian Slips. Hehehe..

And what's with the "Next?" As though you actually said something. The correct score of the Judah fight is 8-4 Floyd, with Floyd losing an additional point for the clear knockdown. That is Floyd winning by three points. And you call that biased scoring but the fact that you had Floyd beating Castillo by 5 points in their first fight unbiased? ROFLMAO. "Next?"

I have news for you, even rounds are extremely rare. Unless you are Larry Merchant (the king of even rounds) then you can actually see that one fighter did enough, even by the smallest margain, to win the round. Yes, when you are a confused fan fumbling in a weak attempt to score fights then you see "many rouns even." But that's not what they actually are.

You see what's really funny is that you are so embedded in your Floyd nuthugging that you don't even realize you just criticized him. LOL If those are the best wins of Kostya's career that you scoff at (a brutal KO of a reigning, undefeated prime Judah- and a two brutal KOs of a prime Mitchell- all 3 of which fights he was supposed to lose), then how does Mayweather stay at P4P #1 when all he has done in the past year is beat those same two fighters, an far more worn-out and beat-up versions of both, LESS IMPRESSIVELY?

The irony is delicious isn't it? Haha. Oh, it's too ez...

LOL Preach on with your Freudian Slips. Hehehe..

And what's with the "Next?" As though you actually said something. The correct score of the Judah fight is 8-4 Floyd, with Floyd losing an additional point for the clear knockdown. That is Floyd winning by three points. And you call that biased scoring but the fact that you had Floyd beating Castillo by 5 points in their first fight unbiased? ROFLMAO. "Next?"

I have news for you, even rounds are extremely rare. Unless you are Larry Merchant (the king of even rounds) then you can actually see that one fighter did enough, even by the smallest margain, to win the round. Yes, when you are a confused fan fumbling in a weak attempt to score fights then you see "many rouns even." But that's not what they actually are.

You see what's really funny is that you are so embedded in your Floyd nuthugging that you don't even realize you just criticized him. LOL If those are the best wins of Kostya's career that you scoff at (a brutal KO of a reigning, undefeated prime Judah- and a two brutal KOs of a prime Mitchell- all 3 of which fights he was supposed to lose), then how does Mayweather stay at P4P #1 when all he has done in the past year is beat those same two fighters, an far more worn-out and beat-up versions of both, LESS IMPRESSIVELY?

The irony is delicious isn't it? Haha. Oh, it's too ez...



1st, Floyd is pound for pound #1 right now, and suggesting otherwise makes you an idiot (what else is new)

2nd, although that should have been a KD in the fight last night, the fact the ref missed it excludes it from being scored as such.

This fight should not happen...

why?

because you same people picking Kostya would fail to give Floyd credit for winning and say he just pulled an old man out of semi-retirement...

1st, Floyd is pound for pound #1 right now, and suggesting otherwise makes you an idiot (what else is new)

2nd, although that should have been a KD in the fight last night, the fact the ref missed it excludes it from being scored as such.

Oh, my old whipping boy checking in for a smackdown? Hehe. Too ez.

1st- You completely missed the point of that post, which is not surprising. Gunstar was attempting to discredit Kostya's resume when saying Mitchell and Judah are his two best wins, as though they are unimpressive, yet still have Mayweather at #1. P4P is so subjective that I really don't really even like discussing it- it's become a meaningless title when you can hold it without facing the best fighters in your weight class. Mayweather P4P #1? Sure, whatever. When is the last time he has fought the best fighter in his division? Just go ahead and give the fighter and the year. Then we can continue the discussion.

2nd- You are as clueless about judging as Gunstar is. **DING-DING School's in Session, sit up straight and listen close** You do not need the ref to rule a KD to score a 10-8 round. Judges score on the "Ten Point Must System" which means all they MUST do is give the winner of the round 10 points (unless the referee officially deducts a point from them that round). If a judge sees a clear KD, which that of course was, and feels the round should be scored 10-8 then he ABSOLUTELY has that right. You'd have to be almost blind NOT to see that was a KD if you were sitting ringside. I know you are a biased propaganda fiend but I thought you at least knew basic boxing. Go sit in the corner! ;)

This fight should not happen...

why?

because you same people picking Kostya would fail to give Floyd credit for winning and say he just pulled an old man out of semi-retirement...

I agree with that basically. Instead of picking scraps from Baldomir's table he'd be moving over the Hatton's table.

The fight does nothing for Floyd and he shouldn't take it. If he wins, then he's just beating the same guy that Hatton just KO'd.

What Floyd needs is to fight the best fighters available to him in his division. It's not really a difficult concept. Instead of signing to fight those coming off of major losses, then you fight the guys who beat them. Instead of Judah, you fight Baldomir, or even Margarito. Instead of Mitchell, you fight Hatton, or Cotto. It's agonizingly simple. And don't give me all that "Floyd made an offer and they priced themselves out." LOL Says who? Floyd? Hehe.

Oh, my old whipping boy checking in for a smackdown? Hehe. Too ez.

1st- You completely missed the point of that post, which is not surprising. Gunstar was attempting to discredit Kostya's resume when saying Mitchell and Judah are his two best wins, as though they are unimpressive, yet still have Mayweather at #1. P4P is so subjective that I really don't really even like discussing it- it's become a meaningless title when you can hold it without facing the best fighters in your weight class. Mayweather P4P #1? Sure, whatever. When is the last time he has fought the best fighter in his division? Just go ahead and give the fighter and the year. Then we can continue the discussion.

2nd- You are as clueless about judging as Gunstar is. **DING-DING School's in Session, sit up straight and listen close** You do not need the ref to rule a KD to score a 10-8 round. Judges score on the "Ten Point Must System" which means all they MUST do is give the winner of the round 10 points (unless the referee officially deducts a point from them that round). If a judge sees a clear KD, which that of course was, and feels the round should be scored 10-8 then he ABSOLUTELY has that right. You'd have to be almost blind NOT to see that was a KD if you were sitting ringside. I know you are a biased propaganda fiend but I thought you at least knew basic boxing. Go sit in the corner! ;)


Check it out, your ignorance gets pointed out, and you write an essay. Could you be any more predictable?

You were questioning Mayweather's #1 spot, and continue to do so. That makes you an idiot.

You don't score a knock down without the ref crediting it. That was not a 10-8 round anyway you look at it. Yes someone could score it 10-8 if Judah dominated the round, but he didn't.

It was a flash KD, it was missed by the ref, and you wouldn't find any credible judge anywhere that would have scored that round 10-8 without the official call from the ref.

Now that you've been put back in your place, you can keep quite.

Or write another essay trying to justify your non sense, whatever helps you sleep better.

:rolleyes:

LOL It's easy write nothing when you say nothing, like you continue to do. You still couldn't grasp my point and predictably did not answer my question "When was the last time Mayweather fought the best fighter in his division?" Hehe. We both know why you avoided it. ;)

As for scoring it a 10-8 round, you said that a judge cannot score it a 10-8 round unless the ref officially rules it a KD. That's simply 100% incorrect. If a judge feels it is a 10-8 round for any reason, whether one fighter has dominated it or CLEARLY knocked the other down, then he/she can score it 10-8. That's the 10 point must system. Floyd was clearly knocked down. 10-8 round is the correct score for a judge that is paying attention. Just like you don't HAVE to score it 10-8 even if there is a knockdown. But Judah not only clearly won the round but he also clearly knocked Floyd down. 10-8 round. Floyd won the fight 115-112. By 3 points.

LOL It's easy write nothing when you say nothing, like you continue to do. You still couldn't grasp my point and predictably did not answer my question "When was the last time Mayweather fought the best fighter in his division?" Hehe. We both know why you avoided it. ;)

As for scoring it a 10-8 round, you said that a judge cannot score it a 10-8 round unless the ref officially rules it a KD. That's simply 100% incorrect. If a judge feels it is a 10-8 round for any reason, whether one fighter has dominated it or CLEARLY knocked the other down, then he/she can score it 10-8. That's the 10 point must system. Floyd was clearly knocked down. 10-8 round is the correct score for a judge that is paying attention. Just like you don't HAVE to score it 10-8 even if there is a knockdown. But Judah not only clearly won the round but he also clearly knocked Floyd down. 10-8 round. Floyd won the fight 115-112. By 3 points.



Less wordy, but still reeking of desperation and anger at having your non sense pointed out.

Suggesting none of the judges saw that slip and were ignorant is outright laughable.

Professional judges will NOT score a knock down that the ref hasn't ruled as such. There may be a very rare occasion when it has happened, but it is definatly not the norm.

That was not a 10-8 round, and you scoring it as such in unrealistic and ignorant.

I realize that angers you, but it makes you look like an idiot.

Oh, and debating who Floyd has and hasn't fought isn't going to make you hinting he isn't the top pound for pound fighter any less stupid. You can knock anyone's resume.

Bottom line is he's atop the pound for pound list right now, and you suggesting or hinting otherwise is as stupid as you scoring that round 10-8 and suggesting everyone at the fight got it wrong but you were right.

LOL Now, who is writing the essays?

OK, you avoided my direct question to you for a 2nd time. So you can reign as P4P #1 without fighting the best fighters in your division for basically four years. Sure, ok. I'm happy for him. P4P #1 he is then. Whoopee-doo! Calzaghe just utterly dominated the best fighter in his division. Taylor just beat the best in his twice. Wright has been on a roll and is now clearly fighting the best in his, as is Taylor for a 3RD TIME IN AS MANY FIGHTS. And Pac? Good god, the man ONLY fights the best. P4P? Who cares? I'll take those guys ANY DAY OF THE WEEK over showcase wins over losing fighters. :) You disagree? No problem. We admire different things in the sport. That is clear.

Oh, and wait a sec. Stop the presses. Please tell me that you are not debating me about that being a clear knockdown. Are you seriously calling that a "slip"? :) I almost hope you are. Please clarify. You went from saying if the ref doesn't rule it a KD then you can't score the round 10-8 to weaseling in that little "slip" comment. LOL Bozo, I don't know what I would do for amusement if you weren't around, bud. Keep them coming, please. This is amusing. :)

LOL Now, who is writing the essays?

OK, you avoided my direct question to you for a 2nd time. So you can reign as P4P #1 without fighting the best fighters in your division for basically four years. Sure, ok. I'm happy for him. P4P #1 he is then. Whoopee-doo! Calzaghe just utterly dominated the best fighter in his division. Taylor just beat the best in his twice. Wright has been on a roll and is now clearly fighting the best in his, as is Taylor for a 3RD TIME IN AS MANY FIGHTS. And Pac? Good god, the man ONLY fights the best. P4P? Who cares? I'll take those guys ANY DAY OF THE WEEK over showcase wins over losing fighters. :) You disagree? No problem. We admire different things in the sport. That is clear.

Oh, and wait a sec. Stop the presses. Please tell me that you are not debating me about that being a clear knockdown. Are you seriously calling that a "slip"? :) I almost hope you are. Please clarify. You went from saying if the ref doesn't rule it a KD then you can't score the round 10-8 to weaseling in that little "slip" comment. LOL Bozo, I don't know what I would do for amusement if you weren't around, bud. Keep them coming, please. This is amusing. :)


It is amusing, becuase like anytime you speak to me, it's from right out of your ass.

That round was not a 10-8 round, and that's the bottom line. You seem to be suggesting that everyone at the fight missed it, which is outright hilarious. No one will score a 10-8 round for a knock down that isn't called when the round isn't one sided. Period.

Your scoring of that round is unrealistic and ignorant, and that's all there is to it.

2nd, I'm not interested in entertaining any questions you have about Mayweather's tenure at the top of the pound for pound list. His ability, resume, and moving up in sevaral weight classes speak for themselves.

I love how the 1st name you suggest is Calzahge, who has ONE good win in his own division. What's that smell? Oh, right, bull ****.

:rolleyes:

All this after proclaiming you don't like to talk about pound for pound rankings.

You just keep getting more and more humerous.

1) That round was not a 10-8 round, and that's the bottom line.

2)2nd, I'm not interested in entertaining any questions you have about Mayweather's tenure at the top of the pound for pound list. His ability, resume, and moving up in sevaral weight classes speak for themselves.

3)I love how the 1st name you suggest is Calzahge, who has ONE good win in his own division. What's that smell? Oh, right, bull ****.

:rolleyes:

4)All this after proclaiming you don't like to talk about pound for pound rankings.

You just keep getting more and more humerous.

1) I think a round with a clear knockdown that the fighter getting knocked down also clearly loses is a 10-8 round. So we simply disagree. No you don't HAVE to score it 10-8, but suggesting that you CANNOT score it 10-8 is utterly incorrect.


2) Of course you aren't. You won't answer the question because you don't want to go there. I understand. Hey, almost all fighters in the lower weight ranges gradually move up a weight or two. And in Floyd's case, sure he's moving up, but that's easy when you are picking losing fighters to go against. I admire true champions over showcase fighters. We again disagree and admire different things in the sport.


3)Calzaghe only has one good win? LOL That's laughable. And it shows your ignorance and bias. We all know you hate Calzaghe and rip him any chance you get. And we all know why. And I love how you pick him out and ignore the others I listed, all of whom have been more impressive than Floyd in recent years.


4) When have you ever seen me list my P4P list? I never do. So you're the one who looks humorous. I may chime in with my opinion from time to time, but I never bother to rank P4P lists. Why? Because it's a meaningless, subjective title that you can apparently hold by avoiding the best fighters in your weight classes for several years. Everyone has Floyd as P4P #1. I'm happy for him. I just listed off several fighters whose recent work I've been far more impressed with. Argue that if you'd like. :)

If Kostya were 30 years old, I think it would be a 50/50 fight. A great fight, obviously.

I would still love to see Kostya vs PBF. It would be a terrific fight.

1) I think a round with a clear knockdown that the fighter getting knocked down also clearly loses is a 10-8 round. So we simply disagree. No you don't HAVE to score it 10-8, but suggesting that you CANNOT score it 10-8 is utterly incorrect.


2) Of course you aren't. You won't answer the question because you don't want to go there. I understand. Hey, almost all fighters in the lower weight ranges gradually move up a weight or two. And in Floyd's case, sure he's moving up, but that's easy when you are picking losing fighters to go against. I admire true champions over showcase fighters. We again disagree and admire different things in the sport.


3)Calzaghe only has one good win? LOL That's laughable. And it shows your ignorance and bias. We all know you hate Calzaghe and rip him any chance you get. And we all know why. And I love how you pick him out and ignore the others I listed, all of whom have been more impressive than Floyd in recent years.


4) When have you ever seen me list my P4P list? I never do. So you're the one who looks humorous. I may chime in with my opinion from time to time, but I never bother to rank P4P lists. Why? Because it's a meaningless, subjective title that you can apparently hold by avoiding the best fighters in your weight classes for several years. Everyone has Floyd as P4P #1. I'm happy for him. I just listed off several fighters whose recent work I've been far more impressed with. Argue that if you'd like. :)



The longer winded, the more clear the level of frustration is.

It's LAUGHABLE you tell me you don't like to discuss pound for pound rankings and then want me to elaborate.

I'm not elaborating, because it isn't necessary.

Mayweather's #1 right now, and anyone who suggests otherwise is doing so out of either ignorance or spite. With you, it's a mix of both.

Calzaghe has one RECENT win that would have any pound for pound clout, and mentioning his name in the same breath as Mayweahter makes you look like an ass, and as I pointed out, it's the FIRST guy you mentioned when trying to dispute Floyd.

And nice back peddling about that round from last night.

It was NOT a 10 - 8 round. Scoring it as such is unrealistic and ignorant. End of story.

Calzaghe.....

it's the FIRST guy you mentioned when trying to dispute Floyd.

And nice back peddling about that round from last night.

It was NOT a 10 - 8 round. Scoring it as such is unrealistic and ignorant. End of story.

ME? Backpeddling? You just tried to say it was a slip and not a knockdown a couple posts ago. Hehe. It WAS a 10-8 round because that WAS a KD, clearly. LOL I mean, you are making it more complicated than it is.

And yes, I mentioned Calzaghe, along with Wright, Taylor and Pac, as quick examples of fighters who have recently beaten the best in their division, something Floyd hasn't done in many years. You picked out Calzaghe, whose recent domination of Lacy impressed everyone but you, I guess. And Wright, Taylor, Pac, Hatton- you're telling me none of those guys have impressed you more than Floyd in the past few years? Really? Seriously? Beating the best in their division rather than beating losers? :)

-If you answer "Yes, they have," then why is Floyd still at P4P #1 according to you? Because of his boring win over Castillo in '02?

-If you answer "No, they haven't," then you must admire showcase performances against losers, over true championship wins against the best fighters in your division.

See to me, that is what boxing is all about. I'm not about the showcase and exhibitions. I like the championship fights, when the best face the best. Not hand-picked fighters coming off of major losses. But hey, that's just me. ;)

i think mayweather would ko his ass. i really think so

ME? Backpeddling? You just tried to say it was a slip and not a knockdown a couple posts ago. Hehe. It WAS a 10-8 round because that WAS a KD, clearly. LOL I mean, you are making it more complicated than it is.



How is it complicated to say that was NOT a 10-8 round, and was not scored as such because that's the norm.

You scoring that round 10 - 8 is ignorant and unrealistic.

If one of the judges had scored it that way, he would have been widely critisized.

You're wrong, and unable to admit it. That's your schtick.

2nd, I really like how you continue to infer that I'm somehow afraid to justify ranking Floyd at top spot. Like that's a really challenging notion
:rolleyes:

You mentioned several fighters that have reccent impressive wins, does that merrit them sky rocketing to top spot?

Stop being an idiot. Seriously.

Floyd has a great resume, and has looked spectactualr in moving up in weight.

If you're looking for people who are going to DISAGREE with having him ranked at #1, it's going to be an insignificant handfull of people driven by spite and or ignorance.

What you're doing is trying to come up with (weak) reasons why he shouldn't be at the top instead of asserting who should. This is because you know you're wrong and are just looking to avoid admitting it.

Again, you refuse to answer simple questions that I put to you. :)

Floyd hasn't fought the best in his division in several years and there are many fighters whose recent work I've been more impressed with in the past few years. See, you adhere to that old rule about once you get to be P4P #1, then you can't lose that ranking without losing in the ring. I argue that you CAN in fact lose it while continuing to win, and that the winner of Taylor-Wright will clearly be ahead of Floyd in whatever multi-weight rankings you want to dream up.

You said it yourself "Floyd has looked spectacular moving up." Looked spectacular? Is this a dance contest? This is a fight sport where you engage the champions and best fighters you can. Floyd hasn't done that in a long time. So, to me, that has to drop him in the rankings when other fighters actually are. Once again, it's easy to "look spectacular" when you don't fight the best in your division and sign up against fighters trying to come back from recent major losses. :)

Again, you refuse to answer simple questions that I put to you. :)

Floyd hasn't fought the best in his division in several years and there are many fighters whose recent work I've been more impressed with in the past few years. See, you adhere to that old rule about once you get to be P4P #1, then you can't lose that ranking without losing in the ring. I argue that you CAN in fact lose it while continuing to win, and that the winner of Taylor-Wright will clearly be ahead of Floyd in whatever multi-weight rankings you want to dream up.

You said it yourself "Floyd has looked spectacular moving up." Looked spectacular? Is this a dance contest? This is a fight sport where you engage the champions and best fighters you can. Floyd hasn't done that in a long time. So, to me, that has to drop him in the rankings when other fighters actually are. Once again, it's easy to "look spectacular" when you don't fight the best in your division and sign up against fighters trying to come back from recent major losses. :)


P4P is so subjective that I really don't really even like discussing it-


There goes that notion huh? :rolleyes:

Floyd has wins over a long list of solid opposition from his dominating tenure at 130 up until now.

Your argument that some fighters have more recent impressive wins really faulters with your inability to mention specificly who you'd rank above Floyd.

Once again, you continue to complain about Floyd's ranking without suggesting anyone you'd rank above him.

Why don't you put it to a poll? See who things Mayweather isn't the top pound for pound fighter, and you'll find your name mixed in with some real winners on the "no" side.

You're spinning your wheels because you don't like being made to look ignorant, but once again, your logic is self defeating.

And that's all on top of using the topic to avoid admitting you scoring that round 10-8 is a joke. :rolleyes:

If those are the best wins of Kostya's career that you scoff at (a brutal KO of a reigning, undefeated prime Judah- and a two brutal KOs of a prime Mitchell- all 3 of which fights he was supposed to lose)

I just proved a point to you, that Mayweather has beaten the so called scraps in Zab & Mitchell over the last year, but the funny thing is these 2 scraps are best wins in Tszyu's career. Then you should not compare Tszyu's resume to PBF.

Tszyu did not knock Mitchell out in the first fight, you made it sound it was a brutal knockout, fact is Mitchell was actually winning the fight & he couldn't continue because he injured his knee. How was this a brutal knockout, please explain??? Tszyu did stop Mitchell in the second fight, but not in the first fight.


Tszyu got knocked out in his prime by who (Vince Phillips)

Mayweather has not lost a fight yet.

Tszyu beat bunch of over the hill guys in his prime.

Mayweather beat guys, like Chico, Castillo twice & Chavez just to name a few.

You called me a PBF nut-hugger, fact is you're PBF hater & have proven to be hater of PBF.

I will never admit that scoring that round 10-8 is a joke. It was a clear knockdown. Judges can score a round 10-8, 10-9, 10-10 whatever- at their discretion, not based on what the referee sees or doesn't see. If a JUDGE sees something that he thinks makes it a 10-8 round (and guess what? a clear knockdown would probably qualify) then he can score it so. Simple. Agonizingly simple. That's why I let it go. You are spinning your wheels and going in circles debating something that is totally meaningless because you are so in love with Floyd that someone saying that he only beat Judah by 3 points offends you, why? Because it would force you to take a close look at Floyd and if he is in fact P4P #1 when he was knocked down beating a fighter by only a few points that Carlos Baldomir just beat.

I actually rarely discuss P4P, like I said. I rarely ever post P4P lists, because they are so utterly subjective that they are meaningless. I'm arguing the top spot with you and youre tap-dancing all around the answer. The real answer is that whether or not you or I think Floyd is P4P #1 is not relevant, only the fact that he hasn't fought the best in his division or won a true championship in many years. P4P is a meaningless title if Floyd DOES have it, because it means you can keep it for years without actually fighting the best. :) Get it, finally?

A poll? They happen every week, why do another? It's a popularity contest. You'll have some Taylors, some Pacs, some Floyds, etc. It's mostly everyone picking their favorite fighter out of a group of top fighters below HW. For what it's worth, I think you'll have almost everyone with any sense choosing Taylor as #1 in the upcoming P4P polls if he can beat Winky.

i'm sure you can guess whom i voted for. :D


maybe i'm getting the wrong impression, but it seems that people only think of kt as a power puncher. he IS a skilled technician.

remember when tszyu lost to phillips? what happened to his next ten opponents? nine of 'em got KO'd. maybe, a loss is just what he needed. then again, maybe he will simply retire.

i believe someone said pbf would KO kt lol! that's a good one. in case that you were being serious, examine kt's 2 losses. corner stoppage and corner stoppage. it's not like tszyu, himself, had quit or was ktfo. mayweather would not likely be able to do either.

and judah/tszyu round 1 - why was that brought up? tszyu is known as a slow starter if you have followed his career. i do also seem to remember kt starting to light up judah towards the end of that round. then, we all know what happened next.

in my opinion, saying pbf would win a lopsided decision is quite a bit off from the many ways i could see the fight going. a lopsided decision for tszyu or mayweather and ko for mayweather are the most unlikely scenerios i've read here.

is it just me or is there a sudden surge of people all over the mayweather bandwagon? when he losses, this board should be quite humorous.

I just proved a point to you, that Mayweather has beaten the so called scraps in Zab & Mitchell over the last year, but the funny thing is these 2 scraps are best wins in Tszyu's career. Then you should not compare Tszyu's resume to PBF.

Tszyu did not knock Mitchell out in the first fight, you made it sound it was a brutal knockout, fact is Mitchell was actually winning the fight & he couldn't continue because he injured his knee. How was this a brutal knockout, please explain??? Tszyu did stop Mitchell in the second fight, but not in the first fight.


Tszyu got knocked out in his prime by who (Vince Phillips)

Mayweather has not lost a fight yet.

Tszyu beat bunch of over the hill guys in his prime.

Mayweather beat guys, like Chico, Castillo twice & Chavez just to name a few.

You called me a PBF nut-hugger, fact is you're PBF hater & have proven to be hater of PBF.

Kostya beat them first as an underdog, when they were prime and winning, not years later after they had been beat up and worn out, trying to come back from losses. :) Yes, Floyd beat Corrales, the last really impressive win he's had. He split with Castillo in the view of myself and most (yes, yes, I know you had Floyd winning huge, we don't need to argue that insanity again), and the fact that you don't see is that when a fighter takes out a top, reigning fighter then it is far more impressive than going after that fighter when he's already down and beaten. Knocking-out Judah as a reigning, undefeated champion just, to me, is far more impressive than outscoring him immediately after he was outscored by Baldomir in his previous fight. See how that works? It's really not that hard.

It's sad that I have to map out these little paint-by-numbers scenerios to hammer a point into your thick skull.

Yes, yes, I know Mitchell opted to not continue because he said he hurt his knee in that first fight. In fact, while the fight was close, Mitchell was getting roughed up and just wanted out with so far to go in the fight. That's my opinion. He was clearly getting weaker as Kostya was getting stronger. Kostya would have stopped him later in that fight, without question....which he went on to solidify when they fought again and just ran through him like he wasn't even there, coming off of a two-year layoff and with Mitchell coming off of a win streak which impressed most writers enough to make him the favorite. :)

Are Gunstar and Bozo the same poster? Seriously.... It's like shooting fish in a rain barrell, folks. :)

No it's not like shooting fish in a barrell. You're willingly avoiding and dodging the issues.

That's why you've been banned from my threads.
Kostya beat them first as an underdog, when they were prime and winning, not years later after they had been beat up and worn out, trying to come back from losses. :) Yes, Floyd beat Corrales, the last really impressive win he's had. He split with Castillo in the view of myself and most (yes, yes, I know you had Floyd winning huge, we don't need to argue that insanity again), and the fact that you don't see is that when a fighter takes out a top, reigning fighter then it is far more impressive than going after that fighter when he's already down and beaten. Knocking-out Judah as a reigning, undefeated champion just, to me, is far more impressive than outscoring him immediately after he was outscored by Baldomir in his previous fight. See how that works? It's really not that hard.

It's sad that I have to map out these little paint-by-numbers scenerios to hammer a point into your thick skull.

Yes, yes, I know Mitchell opted to not continue because he said he hurt his knee in that first fight. In fact, while the fight was close, Mitchell was getting roughed up and just wanted out with so far to go in the fight. That's my opinion. He was clearly getting weaker as Kostya was getting stronger. Kostya would have stopped him later in that fight, without question....which he went on to solidify when they fought again and just ran through him like he wasn't even there, coming off of a two-year layoff and with Mitchell coming off of a win streak which impressed most writers enough to make him the favorite. :)

Are Gunstar and Bozo the same poster? Seriously.... It's like shooting fish in a rain barrell, folks. :)

I will never admit that scoring that round 10-8 is a joke. It was a clear knockdown. Judges can score a round 10-8, 10-9, 10-10 whatever- at their discretion, not based on what the referee sees or doesn't see. If a JUDGE sees something that he thinks makes it a 10-8 round (and guess what? a clear knockdown would probably qualify) then he can score it so. Simple. Agonizingly simple. That's why I let it go. You are spinning your wheels and going in circles debating something that is totally meaningless because you are so in love with Floyd that someone saying that he only beat Judah by 3 points offends you, why? Because it would force you to take a close look at Floyd and if he is in fact P4P #1 when he was knocked down beating a fighter by only a few points that Carlos Baldomir just beat.

I actually rarely discuss P4P, like I said. I rarely ever post P4P lists, because they are so utterly subjective that they are meaningless. I'm arguing the top spot with you and youre tap-dancing all around the answer. The real answer is that whether or not you or I think Floyd is P4P #1 is not relevant, only the fact that he hasn't fought the best in his division or won a true championship in many years. P4P is a meaningless title if Floyd DOES have it, because it means you can keep it for years without actually fighting the best. :) Get it, finally?

A poll? They happen every week, why do another? It's a popularity contest. You'll have some Taylors, some Pacs, some Floyds, etc. It's mostly everyone picking their favorite fighter out of a group of top fighters below HW. For what it's worth, I think you'll have almost everyone with any sense choosing Taylor as #1 in the upcoming P4P polls if he can beat Winky.


You are honestly one of the saddest individuals I have come across.

If you were a judge at that fight, you would have scored that round 10-9. They all did so for a reason. Even Lederman, with the video replay right at his disposal, scored the round 10-9.

Suggesting anything else is not the least bit credible and you know it. Once again, you realize you are wrong, change the subject (to something you say isn't worth talking about because of how "subjective" it is) and then come out spewing rambling non sense when called on it.


It's overly entertaining that you start with a disclaimer that pound for pound ranking are so subjective they're not worth discussing and then end up on a mission to discredit the guy 95% of people would agree is number one.

I don't even overly care for the guy, but he's the best in the world right now, bar none. He's a special talent who is unparalleld in the sport right now in terms of skill, is undefeated and dominating up several weight classes from where he started. He also has wins over two pound for pound fighters in Castillo and Corrales.

You're wrong about the scoring of that round, and your trying to argue something that's almost universally agreed upon which you prefaced as saying was subjective.

You're so see through it's not even funny. Have a candy and be quite now.

Thank you Bozo someone needs to shut up that hater.

He's a special talent who is unparalleld in the sport right now in terms of skill, is undefeated and dominating up several weight classes from where he started. He also has wins over two pound for pound fighters in Castillo and Corrales [many years ago].


I agree he is obviously very talented, but shouldn't he at least fight the best fighters in his division in order to keep P4P #1? 2002 he beat Castillo, avenging what most thought was a win by Castillo in their first meeting. That's the last time he has.

If I were a judge, and saw a clear knockdown and thought that fighter that scored the knockdown also won the round, then I'd score that round 10-8, absolutely. And see it's now YOU who are backpeddling and changing the subject. Hehe. If you had come out and said "I disagree and I think 10-9 was the right score." Then I say, "No problem, that's your opinion." But here's what you said that it "excludes" it from being a 10-8 round because the ref didn't see it. That's incorrect. Nothing "excludes" a judge from scoring it a 10-8 round, if he feels a fighter earned a 10-8 round. See, you went from arguing the rules, which you were so obviously wrong about, to trying to argue what SHOULD have been scored vs. what COULD have been scored. Nice try. You're of course 100% wrong on what COULD have been scored and what SHOULD have been scored is your opinion if you were the judge. Me? I would have scored the round 10-8, period, if I saw a clean knockdown, which I did while watching the fight. And it would have been 100% within the rules of judging a fight.

You are just 100% wrong about that.

You were amusing at first, but now you're really tiring me out. I have to make a statement for you, repeat it, dumb it down for you with a paint-by-numbers example, and then get you back on track when you start to wander and change the subject. It can be scored 10-8 if the judge feels it necessary, nothing "excludes" it from being scored 10-8 in the rules of boxing. Sorry. Nothing. Now, the fact that you don't think it should have been a 10-8 round is fine. Who cares? That isn't what you said. You stated it as a matter of rules of what cannot be done, which was of course ALL WRONG. :)

If I were a judge, and saw a clear knockdown and thought that fighter that scored the knockdown also won the round, then I'd score that round 10-8, absolutely.


Then that would be the last fight you scored. That would not happen, and suggesting that all the judges missed it is laughable. Lederman had the repaly and scored the round 10-9.

Scoring it 10-8 is not credible. It's unrealistic and would be ignorant.

The point is you scored that round incorrectly, and think you can use a vague technicality to justify it.

Scoring that round 10-8 makes you ignorant. You don't like that and want to desperatly try to justify yourself.

That's not how rounds are scored, and you're wrong about it. Deal with it.


I agree he is obviously very talented, but shouldn't he at least fight the best fighters in his division in order to keep P4P #1? 2002 he beat Castillo, avenging what most thought was a win by Castillo in their first meeting. That's the last time he has.

Again, you called it subjective and not worth talking about and are now desperatly trying to discredit the guy 95% of people would agree is at #1 by making weak assertions that could be said of any other fighter.

Who has beat everyone in their division that you suggest should be ranked above Mayweather?

Who is it you suggest should be above Mayweather, period?

The bottom line is that you don't have an answer, you're just looking to be argumentative because you're petty. If that wasn't the case you woudn't be arguing without a point about something you said several times you considered so subjective it wasn't worth your time.

You're a joke, and you couldn't be anymore see through with what motivates you to contuinue arguing something once you're unable to back up what you're trying to say.

I think PBF would probably stop him at this point in Tsyzu career or dominate him for 12 rounds.

KT will outpoint pbf by way of aggressiveness.

I like Tszyu, but the fact is he has beaten many over the hill fighters. His 2 biggest wins were against Zab & Mitchell.


it is funny that you mention tszyu's big wins being against mitchell and judah!!!....because mayweather just fought then when they were both well over the hill and look at what he did to them? mayweather struggled against zab and that was a close decision!...he also took his time with sharmba.....

do i need to remind you what tszyu did to both of those fighters!!!!...

also, tell me one top fighter that mayweather has beaten?.....gatti?!...castillo by one round and losing the other(sorry that was given to him as a win)!!!

and believe me, I really like Mayweather, but bhoy he is very far from achieving anything what Tszyu did.......he needs to fight recognized champs and KTFO....not paper champs or vacant champs....

so let him KTFO Hatton, etc and then he;ll be worthy of legendary status...I hope I see it soon...

I think Tzu doesnt have the style for PBF. Tzu likes distance and that is not a good style versus someone of PBF speed and defensive abilites. Tzu also doesnt have the handspeed that Zab had to stay on the outside with him, or the swarming ability Castillo or Hatton has to pressure him. I'm not trying to knock on Tzu, I just believe he matchs up badly with PBF.

Gayweather has been avoiding Tszyu like the Plague, he knows he would get KO.I hope Zoo fights one more time and Gayweather takes the fight and stops running, enough with the Margarito fight, i rather he fight Tszyu.

Zoo has fought all styles, by the way, has anyone noticed how Gayweather fights Tszyu's leftovers, it makes me sick.

And what makes you think this?
Zab doesn't punch 1/16th as hard as Kostya Tszyu.

I agree with everything except Zoo quitting again-- PBF will knock him out before he has a chance to quit-- If Hatton can make Kostya Quit, Pretty boy would frustate him, because floyd's movement is much better than hatton, much better defense. he would frustrate him all night, Kostya would miss all the time and eventually Quit around the 8th round.

and believe me, I really like Mayweather, but bhoy he is very far from achieving anything what Tszyu did.......he needs to fight recognized champs and KTFO....not paper champs or vacant champs....


there is only one thing which zoo has achieved, which mayweather is far from achieving, and that's being stopped twice while fighting at his natural weight (mayweather is really far form that, in that he'd have to go back to 130 and get KOed twice)

Zoo has fought all styles, by the way, has anyone noticed how Gayweather fights Tszyu's leftovers, it makes me sick.

interesting no? zoo was in the same division before him, mayweather comes afterwards and finds the same ppl to fight... what a surprise.

if that makes you sick, go see a doctor

Gayweather has been avoiding Tszyu like the Plague, he knows he would get KO.I hope Zoo fights one more time and Gayweather takes the fight and stops running, enough with the Margarito fight, i rather he fight Tszyu.

describe the "avoiding", please

Tszyu is way over the hill. Mayweather would play it safe and dominate the fight. No point in getting Tszyu busted up again. He quit on his stool the last time....

Mayweather wins right now. It'd be closer than people think.

Tszyu is old, but not shot. He has the tools to make this a good fight. (power, chin, skills, experience)

Mayweather would be cautious early, like always, and eventually stick and move his way to a UD 116-112

You are honestly one of the saddest individuals I have come across.

C'mon, how many time have I seen you use that line.
It's always the "most pathetic" or the "saddest" lol
Everybody can't be the "most pathetic"
or the "saddest", you gotta stop being so generous
with that line or come up with a new one lol
He did explain his logic for scoring the round that way, and what was your response?
"Bottom line is you're wrong about the scoring of that round" lol
Care to explain how, after all, he did lol
After he asked you to explain why you thought that PBF should
be at the top of the P4P list, instead of answering the question,
you accused him of refusing to reveal who he thought should be there. When he did so, you still resorted to personal attacks instead of what? Answering the question!!! lol
All this after only posting in this thread to troll in the first place lol
What a *****!!! lol

I think in this fight you'd see Kosta having to press Floyd, a bit like he did with Zab. Also a bit like Hatton did with him, all depends what he has left. All this in mind I'd have this fight 50/50. You have to keep in mind the only elite fighters Floyd has fought since moving up from super feather are Castillo and mayby Zab and its gettin harder. I'd like to see how he copes in this fight against one of the true best at the higher weights. Its all very well being a fan of a certain fighter and sayin he'd kick everybodys ass, I try not to get caught up in the hype,:boxing:

As for the pick, I picked PBF by late TKO/corner stoppage, at his current age anyway.