i mean we all know his defense the shoulder rolls so why not jus go for his shoulders and pound those for rounds and rounds if u cant get the body or face. i mean his arms will get tired from picking his hands up. and then his defense and handspeed will be thrown out the window. thats what rocky marciano did and he was very successful. ppl see the head and wanna attack it instead of thinking smart

Because Floyd consistently beats his foe to the punch.
Hit him in his shoulders five times, but eat one of his right hand counters......& you're losing the exchange, & will have more taken out of you.

i mean we all know his defense the shoulder rolls so why not jus go for his shoulders and pound those for rounds and rounds if u cant get the body or face. i mean his arms will get tired from picking his hands up. and then his defense and handspeed will be thrown out the window. thats what rocky marciano did and he was very successful. ppl see the head and wanna attack it instead of thinking smart


becuase there was only one rocky marciano...


last guy i saw try and pull a marciano was jirov when he fought toney and we all know the outcome of that one.

if you want to just pound the **** out of a fighter like that until you beat his body so bad he drops his hands, then you will have to be willing to take a lot of punishment in return.

I don't know if anyone around has the combination of power and muscular endurance of the arms that Marciano had. The guy was known to hit a heavy bag for an hour straight at times, with no break (this was not his standard heavybag training but he'd do it once and awhile likely for the psychological benefits). For most boxers, even well conditioned ones, it would take a lot out of their punches to pull off a sustained arm and shoulder attack.

You have to be able to hit very hard very frequently for several rounds, without tiring, for the arm and shoulder attack to have the full effect. Otherwise your arms are just as tired as the arms of the guy you're hitting!

but when he's backed into the ropes to me that would be a perfect time

well, ive seen Augustus do that....he got countered alot.
Also you waste energy by only hitting their arms, unless you're George Foreman or Rocky when you've litterally broken their arm by a punch lol.

I don't know if anyone around has the combination of power and muscular endurance of the arms that Marciano had. The guy was known to hit a heavy bag for an hour straight at times, with no break (this was not his standard heavybag training but he'd do it once and awhile likely for the psychological benefits). For most boxers, even well conditioned ones, it would take a lot out of their punches to pull off a sustained arm and shoulder attack.

You have to be able to hit very hard very frequently for several rounds, without tiring, for the arm and shoulder attack to have the full effect. Otherwise your arms are just as tired as the arms of the guy you're hitting!


cotto sorta did it to branco. he did a very smart move which stopped the fight

i mean we all know his defense the shoulder rolls so why not jus go for his shoulders and pound those for rounds and rounds if u cant get the body or face. i mean his arms will get tired from picking his hands up. and then his defense and handspeed will be thrown out the window. thats what rocky marciano did and he was very successful. ppl see the head and wanna attack it instead of thinking smart


Thats what I've asked before. I've seen a few fighter do this, but now many.

People rarely talk about it, and I think it's one of Floyd's most underrated assets...and that is his chin, and physical endurance for pain. The guy's chin is made out of granite, and his body is solid as a rock.

We could simply go back and watch tape of all his fights, and you'd notice how tough he is. When he does get hit clean, he shakes it right off.....alot of boxer punchers developed a style around not getting hit, because they can't take it on the chin or body.

Floyd doesn't want any uncessesary punishment but he sure can take it about as well as the next guy. I don't think hitting him on the shoulders would do a damn thing except leave someone open for a clean uppercut countershot.

People rarely talk about it, and I think it's one of Floyd's most underrated assets...and that is his chin, and physical endurance for pain. The guy's chin is made out of granite, and his body is solid as a rock.

We could simply go back and watch tape of all his fights, and you'd notice how tough he is. When he does get hit clean, he shakes it right off.....alot of boxer punchers developed a style around not getting hit, because they can't take it on the chin or body.

Floyd doesn't want any uncessesary punishment but he sure can take it about as well as the next guy. I don't think hitting him on the shoulders would do a damn thing except leave someone open for a clean uppercut countershot.


i think it depends on how strong of an hitter u r also

if not mistaken isnt that what gatti said he was going to do?
to bad he never got a chance to try it but it may work for some one with better speed and skill like zab.

i think it depends on how strong of an hitter u r also

Well, Floyd has faced his share of simply huge punchers. I really don't think there is someone out there that can land a 1 punch K.O. on him.

He's a gymrat who's at a higher level than everyone else, and more than likely has seen it all.

You could put him in with the hardest of punchers relative to his divisions IE Lazcano, Margarito, Hatton, etc. I really don't think their punches will have any more effect on him than anyone else he's faced.

Especially on the body. Because he rolls his shoulders and the punches land on his back. You could hit him with a baseball bat on the shoulder blades, and he'd shake it off.

People rarely talk about it, and I think it's one of Floyd's most underrated assets...and that is his chin, and physical endurance for pain. The guy's chin is made out of granite, and his body is solid as a rock.

We could simply go back and watch tape of all his fights, and you'd notice how tough he is. When he does get hit clean, he shakes it right off.....alot of boxer punchers developed a style around not getting hit, because they can't take it on the chin or body.

Floyd doesn't want any uncessesary punishment but he sure can take it about as well as the next guy. I don't think hitting him on the shoulders would do a damn thing except leave someone open for a clean uppercut countershot.

I disaggree in a long fight your opponets hands would get lower and lower from all the brusis. I bet Branco against Cotto didn't have a dislocated shoulder, he just thought he did cause of Cottos effective punchs that hurt that shoulder.

Theirs another way to take a fighters jab away or right hand, and that is to target the should so he will not be able to rotate his shoulder to shot the jab or right hand.

You'll hear coachs tell their fighters to hit their opponets chest to take thier wind and/or stop them in their tracks. Similar idea with the punchs to the arms meaning = shoulder, bicep, tricep and forearm.

As mentioned Marciano used to break down opponets in this manner.

honestly i think some1 with a decent punch with that away mayweathers speed but this would take at least 7 or 8 rounds though

Well, Floyd has faced his share of simply huge punchers. I really don't think there is someone out there that can land a 1 punch K.O. on him.

He's a gymrat who's at a higher level than everyone else, and more than likely has seen it all.

You could put him in with the hardest of punchers relative to his divisions IE Lazcano, Margarito, Hatton, etc. I really don't think their punches will have any more effect on him than anyone else he's faced.

Especially on the body. Because he rolls his shoulders and the punches land on his back. You could hit him with a baseball bat on the shoulder blades, and he'd shake it off.


I forgot what round it was but Castillo hit Mayweather with some good body punchs and Mayweather felt them as he backed away.

And check out Chavez v. Mayweather, Chavez was hitting Mayweather all over the place, if only he had Castillo power. But Chavez was still landing his share of punchs to Mayweather.

I disaggree in a long fight your opponets hands would get lower and lower from all the brusis. I bet Branco against Cotto didn't have a dislocated shoulder, he just thought he did cause of Cottos effective punchs that hurt that shoulder.

Theirs another way to take a fighters jab away or right hand, and that is to target the should so he will not be able to rotate his shoulder to shot the jab or right hand.

You'll hear coachs tell their fighters to hit their opponets chest to take thier wind and/or stop them in their tracks. Similar idea with the punchs to the arms meaning = shoulder, bicep, tricep and forearm.

As mentioned Marciano used to break down opponets in this manner.

Sure, that's an effective tactic.

I'm only discussing this in the case of Floyd Mayweather Jr...and I think Floyd would love for people to target his shoulders. That would actually make his day, because like mentioned earlier....he'll just land uppercutts on the inside when someone is caught reaching.

In my best estimation, the only way to beat him is to either wrecklessly take the fight to him, take some to land one on the chin.....or to beat him at his own game. Something we haven't seen anyone else do because of the lack of pure boxers in the relative divisions.

In fact...there really are none at the top tier.

I forgot what round it was but Castillo hit Mayweather with some good body punchs and Mayweather felt them as he backed away.


Sure he felt the body shots, he's not a machine.

But the fact remains the body shots had little or no effect on the outcome of the fight. If the body punches don't break him down....there is absolutely no sense in throwing them.

They generally don't earn the respect from the judges in comparison to hard shots on the chin. I still say that's where JLC ****ed up in those fights.

And saying he "****ed up" is a ridiculous statement, but he did in fact lose the fights on the judges scorecards.

honestly i think some1 with a decent punch with that away mayweathers speed but this would take at least 7 or 8 rounds though

That about the rounds where a sound body attack would eventually start to show, or show on a fighter in a fight.

Sure, that's an effective tactic.

I'm only discussing this in the case of Floyd Mayweather Jr...and I think Floyd would love for people to target his shoulders. That would actually make his day, because like mentioned earlier....he'll just land uppercutts on the inside when someone is caught reaching.

In my best estimation, the only way to beat him is to either wrecklessly take the fight to him, take some to land one on the chin.....or to beat him at his own game. Something we haven't seen anyone else do because of the lack of pure boxers in the relative divisions.

In fact...there really are none at the top tier.

After awhile of hitting him on the arms he wouldn't throw it much more. And block his uppercuts when he is throwing them.

Sure, that's an effective tactic.

I'm only discussing this in the case of Floyd Mayweather Jr...and I think Floyd would love for people to target his shoulders. That would actually make his day, because like mentioned earlier....he'll just land uppercutts on the inside when someone is caught reaching.

In my best estimation, the only way to beat him is to either wrecklessly take the fight to him, take some to land one on the chin.....or to beat him at his own game. Something we haven't seen anyone else do because of the lack of pure boxers in the relative divisions.

In fact...there really are none at the top tier.


well not jsu go for the shoulders. jus if thats the only thing thats open. sense he has a very good defense

Sure he felt the body shots, he's not a machine.

But the fact remains the body shots had little or no effect on the outcome of the fight. If the body punches don't break him down....there is absolutely no sense in throwing them.

They generally don't earn the respect from the judges in comparison to hard shots on the chin. I still say that's where JLC ****ed up in those fights.

And saying he "****ed up" is a ridiculous statement, but he did in fact lose the fights on the judges scorecards.

I totally disaggree. Its not like that is the only thing a fighter should do against him, im saying add that attack against him. Do what you are doing but add a arm, attack. Its all about breaking him down with a steady attack.

Guess you haven't seen the fights against Castillo, Chavez, or Augustus. All they hit was shoulders against Floyd. Guess those are scored higher than a headshot by some people who had those fights close.

I totally disaggree. Its not like that is the only thing a fighter should do against him, im saying add that attack against him. Do what you are doing but add a arm, attack. Its all about breaking him down with a steady attack.

I'm certain you've seen his fight with Augustus.

that's virtually all Emmanuel did....was try the exact tactic you are describing. He let his hands go on his shoulders, body, hell everywhere he could.

Floyd shook all the punches off and they had little or no effect on him as the fight progressed.

And augustus is not featherfisted in my opinion.

Guess you haven't seen the fights against Castillo, Chavez, or Augustus. All they hit was shoulders against Floyd. Guess those are scored higher than a headshot by some people who had those fights close.


What you failed to point out is that it wasn't a steady attack by Castillo. Floyd ain't going to be a willing target, he was moving against Castillo, even against Chavez but Chavez didn't have the power yet he was winning a lot of rounds so in my opinion it was effective when Chavez did that against Mayweather. Castillo and Chavez may have fought Mayweather similar but it wasn't the same style or aggresion.

I'm certain you've seen his fight with Augustus.

that's virtually all Emmanuel did....was try the exact tactic you are describing. He let his hands go on his shoulders, body, hell everywhere he could.

Floyd shook all the punches off and they had little or no effect on him as the fight progressed.

And augustus is not featherfisted in my opinion.


to me he is featherfisted.he rarely takes ppl out early,and i remember that fight. and his punches werent all that hard

I'm certain you've seen his fight with Augustus.

that's virtually all Emmanuel did....was try the exact tactic you are describing. He let his hands go on his shoulders, body, hell everywhere he could.

Floyd shook all the punches off and they had little or no effect on him as the fight progressed.

And augustus is not featherfisted in my opinion.

Id have to review that fight again, but my opinion wont change.

to me he is featherfisted.he rarely takes ppl out early,and i remember that fight. and his punches werent all that hard

They were in bunches.

And in the sense of breaking someone down, when they are a sitting duck in the corner like Floyd was purposely trying to be.....that's how you would do it.

Augustus let his hands go and was throwing punches like he had a problem with authority, on every part of his torso.

[because Rocky is better than Zab

They were in bunches.

And in the sense of breaking someone down, when they are a sitting duck in the corner like Floyd was purposely trying to be.....that's how you would do it.

Augustus let his hands go and was throwing punches like he had a problem with authority, on every part of his torso.

Did he also include a body attack, a head attack?

Another thing fighters don't do as much or don't know how -without getting a point taken- is how to hit the opponets hips. This alone will whear a fighter down, tire his legs.

[because Rocky is better than Zab

ahahaha. who said ne thing about zab. :confused: im jus curious on why FIGHTERS dont hit his shoulders

i mean we all know his defense the shoulder rolls so why not jus go for his shoulders and pound those for rounds and rounds if u cant get the body or face. i mean his arms will get tired from picking his hands up. and then his defense and handspeed will be thrown out the window. thats what rocky marciano did and he was very successful. ppl see the head and wanna attack it instead of thinking smart

gatti tried to do that and look what happened!

gatti tried to do that and look what happened!

Gatti went in with a horrable game plan. And that was to box, a master boxer :confused:

Did he also include a body attack, a head attack?

Another thing fighters don't do as much or don't know how -without getting a point taken- is how to hit the opponets hips. This alone will whear a fighter down, tire his legs.

Every possible place you could try attacking,

Augustus attacked.

If Floyd's body was a sheet of paper, and Augustus hands were ink stamps....he covered the paper with ink and no white was still showing.

gatti tried to do that and look what happened!


gatti isnt a huuuuuuuuuuge puncher neither

remember cottos last fight, thats how he got rid of his opponent

Every possible place you could try attacking,

Augustus attacked.

If Floyd's body was a sheet of paper, and Augustus hands were ink stamps....he covered the paper with ink and no white was still showing.

I'll have to see this fight then, I'll watch it today.

One of the things that Floyd is also good at is, not telling his opponet when he is hurt. You can hit Floyd and think he is not hurting when in fact he is, but as you've mentioned he can take pain. But in this, Floyd fools some of his opponets so they resort to a differnt attack, forgetting to keep the same steady attack.

Take a look at Chavez v. Taylor. Chavez fought Taylor with a steady attack and Taylor didn't seem to flinch, till the attack by Chavez finally took its toll and the same punchs Taylor was able to take earlier in the fight he was unable to shake off the same punchs in the later rounds. And this was because Chavez keep the same steady attack.

One of the things that Floyd is also good at is, not telling his opponet when he is hurt. You can hit Floyd and think he is not hurting when in fact he is, but as you've mentioned he can take pain. But in this, Floyd fools some of his opponets so they resort to a differnt attack, forgetting to keep the same steady attack.
Take a look at Chavez v. Taylor. Chavez fought Taylor with a steady attack and Taylor didn't seem to flinch, till the attack by Chavez finally took its toll and the same punchs Taylor was able to take earlier in the fight he was unable to shake off the same punchs in the later rounds. And this was because Chavez keep the same steady attack.

Boy, you are dead on the money with that right there.

Alot of fighters when hit will smile at their opponent, or shake their head. In most cases that is a sign that the punch actually hurt.

I really don't think it is in Floyd's case. And you're correct...I think alot of fighters were discouraged from continuing something that may have been working, because they thought in reality it wasn't.

But.

I still say it's easier said than done in Floyd's case, considering he's such a gymrat and works on his conditioning to the max.

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