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IwatchBoxing
01-29-2005, 05:58 PM
Is it good to punch a bag, bare fisted? Any benifits?
Anyway, to improve (anything like that), or harden, your bare fists?

Floydmayweather
01-29-2005, 07:23 PM
Old school fighters use to do that but it really hurts you more than it helps you. You will probably hurt your wrist or hand so you wont be able to train for a while. To toughen your hands do knuckle pushups and things like that.

zip
01-29-2005, 07:24 PM
No it's stupid you will just destroy the fist. Always use handwraps and gloves.

IwatchBoxing
01-29-2005, 08:10 PM
No it's stupid you will just destroy the fist. Always use handwraps and gloves.I'm not training, for a boxing match, I just want to be better in a real fist fight. I heard Chinese Monks, hit the ground 1,000 times a day (something like that), to form their fist "Steel like", thats why I'm asking.

hectari
01-29-2005, 09:26 PM
Bare knuckle = short fight career

The Italian Stallion
01-29-2005, 11:33 PM
Always wrap your hands for a bag

Hunna
02-01-2005, 12:30 AM
I'm not training, for a boxing match, I just want to be better in a real fist fight. I heard Chinese Monks, hit the ground 1,000 times a day (something like that), to form their fist "Steel like", thats why I'm asking.

if the monks had fists like steel, dont you think we would be paying HBO to watch them fight the likes RJJ, MAyweather, DLH or HOPKINS.
I dont know why monks punch the ground, it doesnt have any long-term beneits for them, like they dont fight or anything.
Punching a bag and sparing is better for your fist.

.::|ULTIMATE|::.
02-01-2005, 01:33 AM
Your hands are your tools as a human and they wear out just like any other tool. The more you protect them the longer they last.

puppy_dogg
02-01-2005, 01:57 AM
Your hands are your tools as a human and they wear out just like any other tool. The more you protect them the longer they last.

thats a nice quote ultimate. i might make that my signature,lol :cool:

Fistecles
02-01-2005, 06:45 AM
You want strong hands? Become a mechanic, construction worker or any other proffession that needs alot of hand strength. Safe and productive.

Eken
02-01-2005, 08:09 AM
To hit the bag without proper protection is just stupid. If you wanna harden your knuckles you should at least wrap your hands and use thin bag training gloves. Eventually your knuckles will be hardened anyway. As for fighting bare-fisted, don't just use your hands! Knees can be very effective in a street fight... ;)

jack_the_rippuh
02-01-2005, 12:22 PM
There are proper ways to hit bare-fist. You people are acting as if bare-fist automatically messes you up. If you do it wrong then you're in trouble..

leff
02-01-2005, 04:20 PM
There are proper ways to hit bare-fist. You people are acting as if bare-fist automatically messes you up. If you do it wrong then you're in trouble..

Yeah like if you do somthing wrong like hitting hard bar fisted.

elveiel
02-01-2005, 05:00 PM
You gotta wear gloves and wraps, it just prevents injury and allows fight for longer. I suppose i could hit a brick wall without any real pain but its just gonna wear my knuckles down so it would be foolish.

I did a lot of Muay Thai when i was a kid and i knew guys who would beat the **** out of there shins to make them tough. All it did was give them serious problems after they stopped fighting.

If you want to train for "a real fist fight" then you should be training in boxing, because IMO its the most solid combat sport for street fighting. I'd honestly like to meet these monks with "steel fist" because personally i think its bull****, I've heard a lot of bull**** about martial arts but i'm yet to meet a black belt i couldnt beat the **** out of.

.::|ULTIMATE|::.
02-01-2005, 05:42 PM
There are proper ways to hit bare-fist. You people are acting as if bare-fist automatically messes you up. If you do it wrong then you're in trouble..

If you do it really hard without wraps, you'll promote bowing of the bones behind your knuckles. Its a frequent occurance by many Pro fighters that wrap their hands, imagine without wraps. That and the wrist are the main reason to wrap your hands.

Eitherway bare knuckle practice for street fight is stupid. Your adrenaline rushes in you dont feel crap anyway. Not to mention the fact most street fights dont last even 1/2 a minute.

Dark Destroyer
02-03-2005, 10:40 AM
Hitting the bag without gloves isn't good. When i do i always bust up my knuckles.

{BrownBomber}
02-03-2005, 07:13 PM
Use Thin Gloves Atleast If U Want To Make Them Hard. But Dont Ever Hit The Bag Your Hardest Cause U **** Up Ur Wrist. Start Slowly And Hit It Harder As Weeks Go By. Ive Hit Many Walls In My Time Of Anger An Have Had Very Swollen Knuckles.

dino
02-03-2005, 07:49 PM
maybe this link will help knuckle push ups (http://sabaki.8m.com/pgenkokai.htm)

Lol999
02-04-2005, 06:37 AM
Why not do the old hitting sand routine like the martial artists to toughrn up your knuckles and create callouses? having hit someone hard years ago I dislodged the bone in my right hand and had to have it straightened out in casualty next morning. Not nice and not reccommended. :(

Cheers, Lol :D

BlackBeltNow
02-05-2005, 08:27 PM
I'm not training, for a boxing match, I just want to be better in a real fist fight. I heard Chinese Monks, hit the ground 1,000 times a day (something like that), to form their fist "Steel like", thats why I'm asking.

well, chinse monks can't hit anywhere as hard as a boxer

Samuraieaux
02-06-2005, 07:58 PM
if your hitting a bag, your wrapping your hands or your asking for trouble. i've heard of muay thai fighters doing it, but it really doesn't even help. (they wrap their hands for fights any way) Your fists don't need to be that rough to hurt your opponent in a fist fight anyway. i agree that boxing is the best training for street fights. and if you do get in a fight, fight like a man, don't kick him and knee him. just slug his brains out.

Slipx
02-09-2005, 09:00 PM
actually monks can hit harder than boxers, but it isnt a punch

im not sure which monks do it but they 'train' their pointing fingers to become strong as ****

ive seen like groups of them tapping this wooden thing it was basically a little wooden crater over and over with the same finger, over teh course of like 10-25 years to perfect it. they tap your forehead once and you got a serious problem.

puts a new meaning to the word 'Touch of Sleep', davarryl would be interested in this post probably

joeboxer
02-09-2005, 09:16 PM
I'll take a strong fist over a strong finger any day.

boxernyc
02-11-2005, 12:54 PM
I agree with everyone regarding protecting your hands. But as for kickboxing, they have shins that are hard as hell. The difference is that the shin is one long large bone (insert joke here) The hand is way more complicated and has lots of smaller bones and is much more susceptible to damage. If you have to fight in the street, go for the body, it's a lot softer and normal people ususally can't take good body shots. Not like all us tough as hell boxers!

leff
02-11-2005, 02:25 PM
I agree with everyone regarding protecting your hands. But as for kickboxing, they have shins that are hard as hell. The difference is that the shin is one long large bone (insert joke here) The hand is way more complicated and has lots of smaller bones and is much more susceptible to damage. If you have to fight in the street, go for the body, it's a lot softer and normal people ususally can't take good body shots. Not like all us tough as hell boxers!

So true, i knocked a trained boxer to the ribbs on wednesday and a can only imagine what that one left uppercut would do to some drunk untrained fool.

Prospekt
03-16-2005, 10:47 AM
Do you think it is better to train with actual boxing gloves when punchin the heavy bag or to use speed gloves, the ones with the metal pole inside them

Echojaybird
03-16-2005, 12:14 PM
There's no way your knuckles will ever toughen hard enough to handle the stress of punching a bag. Always use handwraps and gloves.

Echo

boxer2k5
03-16-2005, 02:14 PM
I'm not training, for a boxing match, I just want to be better in a real fist fight. I heard Chinese Monks, hit the ground 1,000 times a day (something like that), to form their fist "Steel like", thats why I'm asking.

your nto going to do much in a street fight with sore messed up hands

they are going to be more fragile than hard

heavybag is leather its going to eat your hand up

id otn even think you should hit it with wraps alone

wraps and gloves

i cut my finger hitting the bag with jsut wraps on
and it messed me up for liek 2 weeks while training

also dont train to fight in the streets work on not fighting in the streets

hard hands dont mean **** if you cant hit someone
go train and get somethign out of it

not court cases and heat in the streets

Rockin'
03-16-2005, 02:30 PM
also dont train to fight in the streets work on not fighting in the streets

Boxer2k5, thats what its about. Just because you learn how to fight doesnt mean that you need to fight in the street. There is no honor in fighting in the street. There is more honor in just knowing what could be done to somebody and then just walking away with a smile.........Rockin'

mickst3r
03-16-2005, 04:42 PM
if u want to get stranger wrists/hands, do hand excersises.

Wrist curls, finger push ups, fist push ups, towel pull ups- all the like are great excersises to strengthen ur hand/ wrist

hitting a heavy bag without wraps will cause u to break ur wrist and/or bones in ur hand. u can however hit a speed bag without any wraps

Dropkick
03-17-2005, 05:25 PM
MicksTr3 is right. Always wrap up, or at least wear protective gloves. But you could do some speed bag work, or maybe light Double End with bare fists ocassionally. But even then it is wise to at least wear gloves.

BadMagick
03-21-2005, 11:42 PM
I used to hit my bag bare-fisted. All it did was cut the **** out of my knuckles. It never hurt my hands to bad, structurally, but man were they in pain from all the cuts, and stuff. Don't do it, it's not worth it.

To those saying boxing is the best for a street fight, you couldn't possibly be more wrong. Someone who knows how to take you down, and hurt you on the ground is much more likely to win a street fight, considering so much of the fighting happens on the ground, anyhow. Unless you have super quick reflexes, and awesome takedown defense (see: Crocop v Coleman) you're ****ed if you don't know any ground work and the other guy does.

JKD_Z28
04-09-2005, 05:40 PM
if the monks had fists like steel, dont you think we would be paying HBO to watch them fight the likes RJJ, MAyweather, DLH or HOPKINS.
I dont know why monks punch the ground, it doesnt have any long-term beneits for them, like they dont fight or anything.
Punching a bag and sparing is better for your fist.


Well because not every culture is built on money and fame.

Back in highschool I knew this martial artist, he would always be raidly hitting things, while he was talking, doing work, he'd hit the desk or the wall, anything hard. He said the idea behind it was that it creates very tiny fractures in the knuckles and calcium builds up and strengthens making the knuckles as hard as a rock. I'm just afraid of doing it improperly and injuring myself, but it worked for him, that guy had one hell of a strong fist.

Prostitroop
04-09-2005, 05:57 PM
Well because not every culture is built on money and fame.

Back in highschool I knew this martial artist, he would always be raidly hitting things, while he was talking, doing work, he'd hit the desk or the wall, anything hard. He said the idea behind it was that it creates very tiny fractures in the knuckles and calcium builds up and strengthens making the knuckles as hard as a rock. I'm just afraid of doing it improperly and injuring myself, but it worked for him, that guy had one hell of a strong fist.
That's true. Just make sure to drink your milk so that calcium can work effectively.

Eatit Amin
04-10-2005, 04:10 AM
Whenever I see some dummy come into the gym and start punching the bag unwrapped & ungloved, trying to show everybody what he's got, my next thought is always, "Here comes idiot boy, & his complete lack of any real skill" (approximately).

I am more impressed with a guy who comes in and knows how to wrap up and warm up, before he ever gets around to touching the bag.

FWIW, if you have any kind of punching power at all, your knucks are going to get calcium deposits from punching with both gloves & wraps on.

Tha Greatest
04-10-2005, 07:28 PM
I'll take a strong fist over a strong finger any day.

haahha karma+ for u

Dr.Pugilist
04-11-2005, 12:32 AM
When train I always either wrap hands or wear bag gloves. But after fracturing that fifth metacarpal in a street fight, I include some hadn conditioning a few times per week. It is the same repetitive hand striking I did as a teen when I was heavy into eastern martial arts. I don't see that it does any harm if done properly and if you are comtemplating any MMA then it is an absolute must.

boxordie
04-30-2005, 10:05 PM
If you would like to strengthen your fist:

There are three different wrist stretches that I do every day.
1)Arm out in front of you keep it straight pull finger tips towards the ground.
2)Palm facing out (like motioning stop) push fingers back towards you
3)Twist by starting out with arm up palm facing you, grasp with your other hand on ther underside... twist towards right shoulder and hold

Each stretch should be held for 10-15 seconds start slow.

At your own pace don't injure yourself try these...
Knuckle Pushups
Finger tip Pushups
Back of Wrist Pushups

I use a "makiwara" for strengthening my knuckles you can either by one or make one
http://www.koketsudojo.com/training.htm

One last tip:
Throw a punch at a semi solid to solid object (heavy bag, makiwara) Hold the contact position and push your fist into the target "hard" hold this for 1-3 Minutes, during this time frozen in the impact state of your strike...think about how the energy traveled there, was it a snap? did you drive your hips into it? How did your legs move during the punch? Do this with various punches a few times a week and your punching power will improve also technique. Once you get advanced try to focus on fluidity, Why not hit with your entire body?

Hope that helps somebody... and hopefully I am not fighting you after about a month "ouch" hah have fun.

meeny
04-30-2005, 11:37 PM
what they mean by there fists like iron or steel or watever the **** they talking about is because there knuckles become caliced..they call some people bare knuckle boxers..they hit a wooden board rapped in rope and it forms calices on there knuckles..and if your worrying about ur fists in a street fight then your probably oging to lose

troy^stallion
05-01-2005, 03:30 AM
I support the opinion of most the other guys here. Although that some of the good boxers in my gym don't use wraps, but use one special type of punching gloves, not like the one you know, but one from hard leather, they don't have any foam or anything that to reduce the power of the punch, but they just protect your knuckles from any wounds. But i personally don't think that the way to make your fist stronger is to punch bare handed. The power of your fists comes not from that but from your whole body power and especially from the technics you use. Believe me if you manage to make some clean punches and techniques your fists will be hard enough for the guy you're fighting with:)

boxordie
05-01-2005, 07:59 AM
Well Meeny I am just getting into boxing. I try to avoid street fighting as much as possible because it gets to dirty. One time I got a 40oz of beer thrown at my forehead, heh it was a mess kept fighting though. I train in Aikido and Ninjutsu that is where those exercises come from above...
Maybe you could give me some good pointers on the logistics of boxing as an art?