Yes, I'm talking about Wlad.

He lost spectacularly to Sanders, a man with a punch, but also a man who was brought in as "opponent" only. He considers himself more a pro golfer than pro boxer, for christ's sake.

He went on to fight and defeat 2 corpses, one of whom had never fought outside Argentina.

Then, after hitting Lamon Brewster with everything he had, he got KO'd again, in spectacular fashion, crawling towards his corner after the bell like a whipped dog.

He comes back against yet another "opponent" in Davarryl Williamson, gets knocked down, is losing energy chasing TOS around the ring, and luckily wins because the fight is stopped on cuts. He may have won had the fight gone the distance, but it certainly wasn't assured. He was doing nothing to hurt Williamson and Williamson was looking fresh for the home stretch. It easily could have gone either way.

I've been a fan of boxing my entire life, and I have never seen anything like the fans who stand behind this once "Man Who Would Be King, But Fell To Mediocrity".

Wlad has some skill, and he has given us some beautiful performances, but it's been proven at least twice, some would think 3 times, that at his young age he is already past his prime. His chin has been proven weak, his stamina is definitely in question. Is he going to have to lose to Jeremy Williams before people start jumping off the bandwagon? I mean, even in the weakest Heavyweight division in ages, he can't sustain a rise to the top.

Yes, I'm talking about Wlad.

He lost spectacularly to Sanders, a man with a punch, but also a man who was brought in as "opponent" only. He considers himself more a pro golfer than pro boxer, for christ's sake.

He went on to fight and defeat 2 corpses, one of whom had never fought outside Argentina.

Then, after hitting Lamon Brewster with everything he had, he got KO'd again, in spectacular fashion, crawling towards his corner after the bell like a whipped dog.

He comes back against yet another "opponent" in Davarryl Williamson, gets knocked down, is losing energy chasing TOS around the ring, and luckily wins because the fight is stopped on cuts. He may have won had the fight gone the distance, but it certainly wasn't assured. He was doing nothing to hurt Williamson and Williamson was looking fresh for the home stretch. It easily could have gone either way.

I've been a fan of boxing my entire life, and I have never seen anything like the fans who stand behind this once "Man Who Would Be King, But Fell To Mediocrity".

Wlad has some skill, and he has given us some beautiful performances, but it's been proven at least twice, some would think 3 times, that at his young age he is already past his prime. His chin has been proven weak, his stamina is definitely in question. Is he going to have to lose to Jeremy Williams before people start jumping off the bandwagon? I mean, even in the weakest Heavyweight division in ages, he can't sustain a rise to the top.



Great ANALYSIS! Proud of you here is some karma!

He isnt a top contender anymore, however I will continue to watch his fights though.

Meldrick Taylor and soon to be Evander Holyfield are 2 fighters I have no intentions on watching fight anymore.

I fear for both of their lives.

Mesi is another guy who I wont support, with his type of injury he really shouldnt be trying to pursue boxing. Who cares if it is small, if your brain is bleeding just the smallest bit thats a sure fire sign to get the hell out of their.

it's been proven at least twice, some would think 3 times, that at his young age he is already past his prime. His chin has been proven weak, his stamina is definitely in question. Is he going to have to lose to Jeremy Williams before people start jumping off the bandwagon? I mean, even in the weakest Heavyweight division in ages, he can't sustain a rise to the top.

yup

steroids leave the body spent, vitali won't reign for much longer

the juicemonkies rise fast, but they don't stay there..guys like bernard are there to stay naturally

yup

steroids leave the body spent, vitali won't reign for much longer

the juicemonkies rise fast, but they don't stay there..guys like bernard are there to stay naturally



Vitali took steroids during his amateur period, which was YEARS ago. I doubt he is doing them now though.

Vitali took steroids during his amateur period, which was YEARS ago. I doubt he is doing them now though.


....It wasn't even steroids per say. It was a doctor prescribed substance that just happened to be on the banned list. It was not the juice and he didn't know it was illegal. Big difference.

Yes, I'm talking about Wlad.

He lost spectacularly to Sanders, a man with a punch, but also a man who was brought in as "opponent" only. He considers himself more a pro golfer than pro boxer, for christ's sake.

He went on to fight and defeat 2 corpses, one of whom had never fought outside Argentina.

Then, after hitting Lamon Brewster with everything he had, he got KO'd again, in spectacular fashion, crawling towards his corner after the bell like a whipped dog.

He comes back against yet another "opponent" in Davarryl Williamson, gets knocked down, is losing energy chasing TOS around the ring, and luckily wins because the fight is stopped on cuts. He may have won had the fight gone the distance, but it certainly wasn't assured. He was doing nothing to hurt Williamson and Williamson was looking fresh for the home stretch. It easily could have gone either way.

I've been a fan of boxing my entire life, and I have never seen anything like the fans who stand behind this once "Man Who Would Be King, But Fell To Mediocrity".

Wlad has some skill, and he has given us some beautiful performances, but it's been proven at least twice, some would think 3 times, that at his young age he is already past his prime. His chin has been proven weak, his stamina is definitely in question. Is he going to have to lose to Jeremy Williams before people start jumping off the bandwagon? I mean, even in the weakest Heavyweight division in ages, he can't sustain a rise to the top.


....Sanders could take anyone out at anytime so you can throw that one out the window. Williamson was getting whiped and would have been dropped shortly. The Brewster situation was the strangest thing I have ever seen and who knows what the hell happened in that fight. For me, Wlad has no more chances. He either produces big in his next several fights or I will also write him off. But right now it's too early to throw in the towel on a 28 year old kid with mad skills?

I just can't count out a guy like Wlad.

He's young still and has the very good skills for a big man. Look at a guy like Golota, he's back in the picture. The Heavyweight division is WEAK, everybody gives Tyson a shot. So why not Wlad who's younger and better skilled at this point? Also Wlad has the perfect trainer for him, because Manny knows how to make champions out of chinny fighters.

Main thing is though if Wlad wants it, no desire... no chance.

....It wasn't even steroids per say. It was a doctor prescribed substance that just happened to be on the banned list. It was not the juice and he didn't know it was illegal. Big difference.

arent you the one that said Wlad dominated Williams in this fight?

Main thing is though if Wlad wants it, no desire... no chance.

it's his chin,man

he probably never excercises his neck

....Sanders could take anyone out at anytime so you can throw that one out the window.Apparently he couldn't. Big Klit beat him like a red-headed stepchild in his next fight, plus he's never been champ. Sort of negates that argument.


Williamson was getting whiped and would have been dropped shortly.I don't know what you saw that leads you to believe this, but the fight I watched at least 5 times, Little Klit had not even phased Williamson. Even his hellacious fury after the KD didn't dent him. All it did was spend energy.

The Brewster situation was the strangest thing I have ever seen and who knows what the hell happened in that fight.I agree it was strange, but everyone who watched knows what happened. Little Klit punched himself out against a guy with a solid chin and no skills, then got caught.
Which excuse... erm.. theory do you subscribe to? The Vaseline excuse? The drugged excuse? The still sore from the anal probings after being abducted by aliens the night before excuse?
There were plenty to choose from after this humiliating loss.

For me, Wlad has no more chances. He either produces big in his next several fights or I will also write him off. But right now it's too early to throw in the towel on a 28 year old kid with mad skills?That's exactly where I stand. Show me something against a quality opponent (at least as quality as this depleted era can produce) and I will admit I was wrong about him being washed up. Otherwise, spar with your brother and try to get on some German TV series until your fame finally fades.

....It wasn't even steroids per say. It was a doctor prescribed substance that just happened to be on the banned list. It was not the juice and he didn't know it was illegal. Big difference.

Im not the one throwing out that he was a juicer, just stating what period of time....Effective or not, Bronchodilators contain ephedra and that is on the banned list. Would I take it clear the plegm out of my throat?

Im not the one throwing out that he was a juicer, just stating what period of time....Effective or not, Bronchodilators contain ephedra and that is on the banned list. Would I take it clear the plegm out of my throat?


.....Yeah my bad, it was that Newbie jackass with the new custom title that said Vit is on the juice now.

If Tyson loses in his next fight I will definitley admit its over.

the fighter i have givin up is mike tyson and everyone knows why

the fighter i have givin up is mike tyson and everyone knows why


....Yeah, no ****. In a contest of who is more rediculous for not giving up on their guy then the Tyson fans beat the Wlad fans hands down.

....Yeah, no ****. In a contest of who is more rediculous for not giving up on their guy then the Tyson fans beat the Wlad fans hands down.

NOOOO its pbds the ultimate Tyson hater, TYSON FANS HIDE!!! :D

NOOOO its pbds the ultimate Tyson hater, TYSON FANS HIDE!!! :D


....Ya know, I actually felt bad for him when he lost to Douglas and I didn't really hate the guy. Being a Holy fan, the ear biting incident is probably what really turned me against him. That and the fact that the guy is a social misfit and menace to society.

.....Yeah my bad, it was that Newbie jackass with the new custom title that said Vit is on the juice now.

Newbie eh? At least I am not so poor of a judge of a fight to make a fool of myself and be the guy to say Wlad dominated Williamson. You lost credability when you said that.

Newbie eh? At least I am not so poor of a judge of a fight to make a fool of myself and be the guy to say Wlad dominated Williams. You lost credability when you said that.


....For the third time Newbie with the new title, it's Williamson and not Williams. I never said he dominated a guy named Williams. :) If your trying to make a valid point and question someones credibility it really makes you look like an ass when you don't even know who the guy was that got dominated. lol lol lol Your killin me man your killin me

I never said he dominated a guy named Williams. :) If your trying to make a valid point and question someones credibility it really makes you look like an ass when you don't even know who the guy was that got dominated. lol lol lol Your killin me man your killin me

Oh! Sweet ignorance! How it joys me!


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Originally Posted by spinksjinx
I will believe it when I see it. Wlad was getting taken to school by williamson who boxed his ears off, Byrd will win down the stretch.


Quote:
Originally Posted by pbds
...You must have watched a different fight than I did. Williamson ran from Wlad, offered nothing, and would have been knocked out in the next round or two.
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williamSON...you know what I meant.

you are truly a stupid person.

Vitali took steroids during his amateur period, which was YEARS ago. I doubt he is doing them now though.


Vitali didn't take steroids pal. He was given one by his doctor, once to heal up an injury. They were not anabolic but were still illegal in boxing. You act as though he took them constantly or something?

Vitali didn't take steroids pal. He was given one by his doctor, once to heal up an injury. They were not anabolic but were still illegal in boxing. You act as though he took them constantly or something?

from what I understand him and his brother both did them multiple times during their amateur careers.

Vitali didn't take steroids pal. He was given one by his doctor, once to heal up an injury. They were not anabolic but were still illegal in boxing. You act as though he took them constantly or something?


Hey douche, im not the one out here, saying he was juicing to my knowledge it wasnt even injectable. Attack the other noob who is ranting about it, perhaps I should have worded it better but I was just clarifying the time period in which he was tested positive for them.

Im not one to knock steroids and never will be; nor will I ever knock an athlete for them as well.

Im not one to knock steroids and never will be; nor will I ever knock an athlete for them as well.


cuz you've done em

(Holyfield, Campas, Tyson ECT) I give up on old fighters, who arent what they use to be.

Tyson fans are 10 times worse than wlad fans.

Wlad has 3 loses tyson has 5 in which tyson lost worse than wlad did in most of his and still they say tyson can be champ again.


If there are any hw at wlad age with a better record than please tell me.

cuz you've done em


I had a bit of a cold a few days back and used some nasal spray, Yep im a juicer.


:D

tyson doesnt want it, hes fighting for money.

wlad always has a punchers chance. he looked good in the fight against mercer, and was the 1st to ko him. he needs to improve his defence, and keep his opponents on the outside. he could do a lewis

from what I understand him and his brother both did them multiple times during their amateur careers.


.....Wlad never took anything ya frickin moron!!! He was an olympic champion and was clean as a whistle during his whole career. You don't know jack **** about jack ****.

Oh! Sweet ignorance! How it joys me!


Quote:
Originally Posted by spinksjinx
I will believe it when I see it. Wlad was getting taken to school by williamson who boxed his ears off, Byrd will win down the stretch.


Quote:
Originally Posted by pbds
...You must have watched a different fight than I did. Williamson ran from Wlad, offered nothing, and would have been knocked out in the next round or two.
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williamSON...you know what I meant.

you are truly a stupid person.


...What is your point in that post you braindead turd? lol lol lol Your a strong contender for idiot of the month and your case is getting stronger by the post.

.....Wlad never took anything ya frickin moron!!! He was an olympic champion and was clean as a whistle during his whole career. You don't know jack **** about jack ****.

a little touchy are we kid? why don't you just tell me ..

"OMGZ YOU NEED TO DIE FOR SAYING MY WHITE HOPE HERO JUICED OMG YOU LOSE"

as if you know he definately didn't juice like you are a family friend or some ****. goofy ****.

edited: what the hell does being an olympic champion have to do with anything?

they do drug tests on olympic champions

Tyson fans are 10 times worse than wlad fans.

Wlad has 3 loses tyson has 5 in which tyson lost worse than wlad did in most of his and still they say tyson can be champ again.


If there are any hw at wlad age with a better record than please tell me.


youre a ****ing idiot, dont ever compare that glass jawed buffoon to the career of mike tyson, he was never half the fighter that tyson was in his prime, at any stage of his career, tyson is done true, but you cant even mention them in the same breath

youre a ****ing idiot, dont ever compare that glass jawed buffoon to the career of mike tyson, he was never half the fighter that tyson was in his prime, at any stage of his career, tyson is done true, but you cant even mention them in the same breath


Ooooooh are we being tough on the nett???

im not saying wlad is as great as tyson was.

im saying tyson fans are more hopless than wlad fans

Ooooooh are we being tough on the nett???

im not saying wlad is as great as tyson was.

im saying tyson fans are more hopless than wlad fans


tyson's 38 its expected he would be shot by now, what is wlad's excuse? the reason people still love tyson is because he captivates the public, he's ****ing crazy, and for 2 rounds he is still the most exciting fighter in the sport, ill take entertainment value over borefests any day. people like you who dont know **** piss me off. tyson reached a height of popularity we will probably never see again

tyson's 38 its expected he would be shot by now, what is wlad's excuse? the reason people still love tyson is because he captivates the public, he's ****ing crazy, and for 2 rounds he is still the most exciting fighter in the sport, ill take entertainment value over borefests any day. people like you who dont know **** piss me off. tyson reached a height of popularity we will probably never see again

True, i like tyson, mostly cause he is damn entertaining.

but i was talking about whose fans are craziest. and wlad`s fights are entertaining.

The thing is that wlad is still young and can still be champion.
he has so many years to do something with his weaknesses.

they do drug tests on olympic champions


...yeah that dumb **** doesn't get that at all. He makes up a story about Wlad doing roids and then acts like I'm the one who has to prove he didn't. WTF?? I have seen some dumbass new posters in my time but this guy is the dumbest mother****er I have ever come across on here. He obviously doesn't understand that they frequently test the olympians. This is the same cat that went on a rant about Wlads fight with Larry Donald. Someone brought to his attention that Wlad never fought Donald and that it was Vit instead. Then he was like, oh yeah, I got him confused with Shuford. WTF??? Yeah, those two guys are practically twins. Dude is bringing me big laughs.

a little touchy are we kid? why don't you just tell me ..

"OMGZ YOU NEED TO DIE FOR SAYING MY WHITE HOPE HERO JUICED OMG YOU LOSE"

as if you know he definately didn't juice like you are a family friend or some ****. goofy ****.

edited: what the hell does being an olympic champion have to do with anything?


......BTW, how ya liking that new custom title?? I think it fits you better than just about any custom title I have ever come up with for a new moron.

ya it's funny the way yours is 'hung like a mule', self appointed title

most likely have a small dick irl

ya it's funny the way yours is 'hung like a mule', self appointed title

most likely have a small dick irl


......Nah, your girl gave me the custom title.

Tyson fans are 10 times worse than wlad fans.

Wlad has 3 loses tyson has 5 in which tyson lost worse than wlad did in most of his and still they say tyson can be champ again.


If there are any hw at wlad age with a better record than please tell me.It took Tyson a lot more years to lose 3 fights than it did Wlad, and 2 of them were to the dominant Heavyweight of the post-Tyson era. Wlad has lost 3 times, all to "opponents", twice suffering devastating and humiliating KOs, and the other by punching himself out against a fat, loser in Ross Purity.

I agree that Tyson fans are just as bad, but there don't seem to be as many of them. Of Tyson's 5 losses, 1 was against a fighter who wasted more talent than anyone in the history of the sport, except that one night, 3 were to 2 different dominant heavyweight champions and the last was to a guy who could punch, and proved his toughness against Big Klit.
I would say there is a WIDE margin of difference in their losses.

It took Tyson a lot more years to lose 3 fights than it did Wlad, and 2 of them were to the dominant Heavyweight of the post-Tyson era. Wlad has lost 3 times, all to "opponents", twice suffering devastating and humiliating KOs.

I agree that Tyson fans are just as bad, but there don't seem to be as many of them.


I will give Wlad one more chance. If he loses again I will write him off.

...yeah that dumb **** doesn't get that at all. He makes up a story about Wlad doing roids and then acts like I'm the one who has to prove he didn't. WTF?? I have seen some dumbass new posters in my time but this guy is the dumbest mother****er I have ever come across on here. He obviously doesn't understand that they frequently test the olympians. This is the same cat that went on a rant about Wlads fight with Larry Donald. Someone brought to his attention that Wlad never fought Donald and that it was Vit instead. Then he was like, oh yeah, I got him confused with Shuford. WTF??? Yeah, those two guys are practically twins. Dude is bringing me big laughs.

your a little cunt irl no doubt, insecure too, such insecurity that you have to title yourself Hung like a Mule to make up for your small penis.

Who brought up olympics anyway? I said he did them in the amateurs your dumb ass was the one that even mentioned the olympics.

You keep calling me a newbie moron..pure irony, I guess your a veteran rainman then, since in another thread you said Wladimir dominated Williamson, and would've ko'd him in a round or 2.

stop fronting. we all know your a little ***** in real life.

......Nah, your girl gave me the custom title.


sure, sonny

my girl would never **** around with some pencil dick forum mod lol

Well I wouldnt give up on Vlad for entertainment, I would give up on him as a serious contender.
He is fun to watch, you never know whether he is gonna get KTFO or win.

they do drug tests on olympic champions

yeah, nobody said he was on them in the olympics ..pbds made that up.

sure, sonny

my girl would never **** around with some pencil dick forum mod lol
She gave me more than a custom title dude, squeak, squeak, squeak, moan, moan, moan, scream........

your a little cunt irl no doubt, insecure too, such insecurity that you have to title yourself Hung like a Mule to make up for your small penis.

Who brought up olympics anyway? I said he did them in the amateurs your dumb ass was the one that even mentioned the olympics.

You keep calling me a newbie moron..pure irony, I guess your a veteran rainman then, since in another thread you said Wladimir dominated Williamson, and would've ko'd him in a round or 2.

stop fronting. we all know your a little ***** in real life.


The olympics is amateurs numb nuts and Vitali tested positive during the Olympic tryouts or he would have went on!

im talking like two years BEFORE THE OLYMPICS, you spinks nuthugging used condom

im talking like two years BEFORE THE OLYMPICS, you spinks nuthugging used condom


Vitali didnt even test positive or admit to steroid use anytime before or after the olympics, get your **** straight.


Boy you better calm yourself, you want longevity and respect around here I advise you to cool your ass down or you wont be coming back.

On a side note, at BoxingScene we try to argue in a civilized manner. If you cant reach that type of potential then perhaps you would like me to direct you to a messageboard filled with idiots like yourself.

Once I am a fan of a fighter I never give up on him. I just pray he will hang up the gloves before he tarnishes his repuation or gets seriously injured.

w/e spinksjinx I suggest you quit being so much of a fanboi, get your own avatar and learn to stfu.

and let go of spinks' scrodum.


edit: thanks for the bad rep bump. You insulted me, so of course I'm going to insult you back. What do you do when I insult you back? Act like a little hoe and click my name, and click bad rep. go ahead and post your RL pic, I know your a ***** irl

w/e I suggest you quit being so much of a fanboi, get your own avatar and learn to stfu


I think you need to check yourself into a grammar class my friend.

How am I being a fanboy? Im not parading around praising any fighter...Explain this my dear friend?

you are being a fanboi in two ways;

1> you lack the creativity to make your own forum name, so you use spinks. you are just as bad as those *******s named 'Ironmike' and etc. you are using a champions name and it's lame.

2> by using spinks picture as your avatar, by taking the time to put that up rather than your own pic.

Who in the hell wants to look at me, who in the hell wants to look at you?

Your Garbage to these boards and contribute nothing.

old and rotten

Yes, I'm talking about Wlad.

He lost spectacularly to Sanders, a man with a punch, but also a man who was brought in as "opponent" only. He considers himself more a pro golfer than pro boxer, for christ's sake.

He went on to fight and defeat 2 corpses, one of whom had never fought outside Argentina.

Then, after hitting Lamon Brewster with everything he had, he got KO'd again, in spectacular fashion, crawling towards his corner after the bell like a whipped dog.

He comes back against yet another "opponent" in Davarryl Williamson, gets knocked down, is losing energy chasing TOS around the ring, and luckily wins because the fight is stopped on cuts. He may have won had the fight gone the distance, but it certainly wasn't assured. He was doing nothing to hurt Williamson and Williamson was looking fresh for the home stretch. It easily could have gone either way.

I've been a fan of boxing my entire life, and I have never seen anything like the fans who stand behind this once "Man Who Would Be King, But Fell To Mediocrity".

Wlad has some skill, and he has given us some beautiful performances, but it's been proven at least twice, some would think 3 times, that at his young age he is already past his prime. His chin has been proven weak, his stamina is definitely in question. Is he going to have to lose to Jeremy Williams before people start jumping off the bandwagon? I mean, even in the weakest Heavyweight division in ages, he can't sustain a rise to the top.

No offense, but do you change football teams like this too? Fan is short for fanatic, it's kind of what defines a fan.

And the fact that you say you've been a boxing fan all your life leads me to believe that you are knowledgeable on the sport, and just for whatever reason, have decided that you dislike Wlad. True enough, he hasn't quite lived up to the hype, but he has accomplished things in the ring, and has always been humble about it, that in it's self gets some of my respect. I'm not saying he's the next coming, but to say he's shot is ridiculous.

No offense, but do you change football teams like this too? Fan is short for fanatic, it's kind of what defines a fan.
no, but when they start losing to teams who have never done anything, I have a tendancy to quit betting on them and admit they need to do some major reshuffling. I guess that makes me smart and not a "fanatic"/

I'm not taking anything away from what he's accomplished. I still fully believe that if he were to shed 15-20 lbs of his overblown physique, he would lose the endurance problem, but he's not going to do that. I also believe that the chin has a lot to do with the endurance problem.
Until he can correct those things, to say he's anything *but* a shot fighter is ridiculous.

If he were going in against any heavyweight who possessed decent skills and could punch, would you bet your house on him?

PS: Hollister, don't you love the intelligent discourse in this thread?;)

The things tou're talking about correcting would more or less make him a perfect fighter, is there no middle ground for you? I never said I would bet on him, and I have said numerous times that to me, niether of them have lived up to the hype, and he needs to pace himself better, lose some weight, and possibly his trainer, but 3 losses in 46 fights makes him a shot fighter? C'mon man, he's not the greatest, but to say he's shot is reaching a little. I'll tell you what, if you can go out and beat 43 professional tomato cans, 39 by KO in whatever your weight class is, I'll be your biggest fan lol. I'll start up a fan club and everything, I'll be the most shameless fanboy you ever saw! lol

Pretty ****ing bad
Ask Tyson

PS: Hollister, don't you love the intelligent discourse in this thread?;)


Well, it does take my mind off a lot of much worse things I probably should be thinking about lol

I think I've given up on Holyfield. The guy just can't do much of anything anymore. And, he needs to stop coming in and out of retirement. At least Tyson is still in there, not in and out. I was a big Holyfield fan. But, i can't stand watching these former greats just not be able to let go of the past.

Yes, I'm talking about Wlad.

He lost spectacularly to Sanders, a man with a punch, but also a man who was brought in as "opponent" only. He considers himself more a pro golfer than pro boxer, for christ's sake.

He went on to fight and defeat 2 corpses, one of whom had never fought outside Argentina.

Then, after hitting Lamon Brewster with everything he had, he got KO'd again, in spectacular fashion, crawling towards his corner after the bell like a whipped dog.

He comes back against yet another "opponent" in Davarryl Williamson, gets knocked down, is losing energy chasing TOS around the ring, and luckily wins because the fight is stopped on cuts. He may have won had the fight gone the distance, but it certainly wasn't assured. He was doing nothing to hurt Williamson and Williamson was looking fresh for the home stretch. It easily could have gone either way.

I've been a fan of boxing my entire life, and I have never seen anything like the fans who stand behind this once "Man Who Would Be King, But Fell To Mediocrity".

Wlad has some skill, and he has given us some beautiful performances, but it's been proven at least twice, some would think 3 times, that at his young age he is already past his prime. His chin has been proven weak, his stamina is definitely in question. Is he going to have to lose to Jeremy Williams before people start jumping off the bandwagon? I mean, even in the weakest Heavyweight division in ages, he can't sustain a rise to the top.

This is ****ing brillant stuff right here. I whole heartdely agree!!

Apparently he couldn't. Big Klit beat him like a red-headed stepchild in his next fight, plus he's never been champ. Sort of negates that argument.


I don't know what you saw that leads you to believe this, but the fight I watched at least 5 times, Little Klit had not even phased Williamson. Even his hellacious fury after the KD didn't dent him. All it did was spend energy.

I agree it was strange, but everyone who watched knows what happened. Little Klit punched himself out against a guy with a solid chin and no skills, then got caught.
Which excuse... erm.. theory do you subscribe to? The Vaseline excuse? The drugged excuse? The still sore from the anal probings after being abducted by aliens the night before excuse?
There were plenty to choose from after this humiliating loss.

That's exactly where I stand. Show me something against a quality opponent (at least as quality as this depleted era can produce) and I will admit I was wrong about him being washed up. Otherwise, spar with your brother and try to get on some German TV series until your fame finally fades.
Actually, Vitali beat him because Vitali is the CHAMP. Corrie Sanders would beat the hell out of most heavyweights today. There is no point in arguing about that, so there that goes.

And not everyone thinks Wlad was greased up with Vasoline or whatever the case may be. I think he just had poor stamina and could barely walk, much less fight. So there goes your bull**** about that as well.

Wlad is not done at all. Your sittin here trying to preach WK being finished when so many other bums are still fighting? You have some nuts on you man, or you're just incredibly stupid.

Actually, Vitali beat him because Vitali is the CHAMP. Corrie Sanders would beat the hell out of most heavyweights today. There is no point in arguing about that, so there that goes.

And not everyone thinks Wlad was greased up with Vasoline or whatever the case may be. I think he just had poor stamina and could barely walk, much less fight. So there goes your bull**** about that as well.

Wlad is not done at all. Your sittin here trying to preach WK being finished when so many other bums are still fighting? You have some nuts on you man, or you're just incredibly stupid.
And with your weak arguments that have no grounding, you've proven which of us is less bright.
Corrie Sanders has lost against much weaker fighters than either of the Klits.

It was Little Klit's camp that accused one of the most repected and professional cutmen in boxing of greasng their fighter. When he protested and no one bought it, they startedtalking about drugging. They have been full of excuses for his humiliating losses rather than just saying, "****. He got beat. Looks like we have some work to do."

The reason I pick out Little Klit for this, and this didn't just refer to him, as many beside you seem to have understood and responded to, is because of all the people making excuses, buying into these camp stories and still calling him a dominant heavyweight.

It was Little Klit's camp that accused one of the most repected and professional cutmen in boxing of greasng their fighter. When he protested and no one bought it, they startedtalking about drugging. They have been full of excuses for his humiliating losses rather than just saying, "****. He got beat. Looks like we have some work to do."

The reason I pick out Little Klit for this, and this didn't just refer to him, as many beside you seem to have understood and responded to, is because of all the people making excuses, buying into these camp stories and still calling him a dominant heavyweight.


**** YEAH! right on vb!!! there's been lots of excuses from the Klit nuthuggers too about missing water bottles and conspiracy theories and other BULL**** excuses about why Wladdy LOST TO LAMON BREWSTER. The real reason WLADDY LOST is because "the black rocky" Brew isn't near as much of a bum as everyone makes out to be, and Wladdy ain't what he used to be. He reached his prime too early, now he needs to get beat by Holyfield ( who everyone finally agrees is shot) so everyone will realize that Wladdy's days are done

If Wladimir Klitschko fights and loses against Byrd, then he is finished as far as boxing goes.

If Wladimir Klitschko fights and loses against Byrd, then he is finished as far as boxing goes.
I honestly don't see how he's getting a shot at Byrd. He's lost every time he's stepped up lately. I guess this is what you get when King rules boxing.

And with your weak arguments that have no grounding, you've proven which of us is less bright.
Corrie Sanders has lost against much weaker fighters than either of the Klits.

It was Little Klit's camp that accused one of the most repected and professional cutmen in boxing of greasng their fighter. When he protested and no one bought it, they startedtalking about drugging. They have been full of excuses for his humiliating losses rather than just saying, "****. He got beat. Looks like we have some work to do."

The reason I pick out Little Klit for this, and this didn't just refer to him, as many beside you seem to have understood and responded to, is because of all the people making excuses, buying into these camp stories and still calling him a dominant heavyweight.

When wlad lost to purity they said he punched himself out and when he got ko by sanders they didnt make any excuse either sooo.

He has only excused his loss to brewster, which innded was very fishy, he looked a lot more tired in the brewster fight(5rounds) than in the purity fight (10) rounds.

Brewster didnt even hit im clean, it tok sanders fare more to knock wlad than it did brewset.

So the brewster fight just dont make any sense to me.

I don't offer any excuses for any of his losses, but have taken the stance that people are going to believe what they are going to believe, no matter how reasonable some of his fans may be, as I believe I have made every reasonable effort to have a reasonable and rational discussion about this. I believe he still has a chance, to me that is not that far fetched, and for him to be shot would require him not to have any concievable chance at being successful in the heavyweight division, but as one person said, He had his ass handed to him by Williamson". I adimit that Williamson shouldn't have been much of a test, but he clearly never had his ass handed to him, and to say that is to me irrational.