View Full Version : Who had a faster left jab?


Dempsey 1919
03-31-2006, 12:32 AM
who has a faster jab? muhammad ali or jersey joe walcott?

this is just to humiliate suzie q49, just like i did rocco1252.

SuzieQ49
03-31-2006, 01:18 AM
muhammad ali

Dempsey 1919
03-31-2006, 01:27 AM
muhammad ali

don't try to be slick suzieq, you're the one that said walcott had a faster jab than ali in the first place. :cool:

SuzieQ49
03-31-2006, 01:31 AM
don't try to be slick suzieq, you're the one that said walcott had a faster jab than ali in the first place. :cool:



no i said the tests said walcott had a faster jab than ali. i didnt say it. the test did. dont put words in my mouth.

Dempsey 1919
03-31-2006, 01:32 AM
no i said the tests said walcott had a faster jab than ali. i didnt say it. the test did. dont put words in my mouth.

when then since you said the tests said it, that means you believe them, right? :rolleyes:

SuzieQ49
03-31-2006, 01:55 AM
no it doesnt!

Dempsey 1919
03-31-2006, 02:12 AM
no it doesnt!

then why else would you mention it? :rolleyes:

Kid Achilles
03-31-2006, 02:18 AM
Because not everyone is as biased as you are. Not everyone exclusively sites sources that support his or her opinion.

Frazier's 15th round
03-31-2006, 02:28 AM
Butterfly started a thread about Ali? No way.

Heckler
03-31-2006, 04:33 AM
The Muhammad Ali of 60ís was the fastest heavyweight ever. In the May 5, 1969 Sports Illustrated, Aliís jab was measured with an omegascope. Aliís jab, it was found, could smash a balsa board 16.5 inches away in 19/100 of a second. It actually covered the distance in 4/100 of a second, which is the blink of an eye. Jimmy Jacobs, who owned the worldís largest collection of fight films, said that on film tests with a synchronizer Aliís jab was faster than that of Sugar Ray Robinson. Jacobs contended that Ali was not only the fastest heavyweight, but also the fastest fighter he ever saw on film.

Marv Jenson, who managed Gene Fullmer, concurred saying, ďAli has the fastest hands on any heavyweight I have ever seen.Ē

Yaman
03-31-2006, 05:35 AM
Can't you get a better matchup for Ali's left jab? Like Liston or Holmes?

Obvious Ali, but you only wanted to hear people say that.

Da Iceman
03-31-2006, 09:16 AM
damn catipillar1964 you didnt have to go make a thread about it.

Dempsey 1919
03-31-2006, 12:47 PM
damn catipillar1964 you didnt have to go make a thread about it.

well, i just couldn't believe what was coming out of suzieq's mouth, so this is just for some ownage, that's all.

just like i owned rocco1252 when i made a poll about would you hit on rihanna, and pretty much everyone said that they would. same here i guess. :D

Kid Achilles
03-31-2006, 12:49 PM
There was no ownage. SuzieQ voted for Ali himself and the people who voted Walcott likely did it to piss you off. In fact, I think I will too.

Dempsey 1919
03-31-2006, 12:50 PM
There was no ownage. SuzieQ voted for Ali himself and the people who voted Walcott likely did it to piss you off. In fact, I think I will too.

suzieq himself said walcott's jab was faster. :rolleyes:

Da Iceman
03-31-2006, 01:08 PM
if its proven its proven. i wanna see some evidence though.

Dempsey 1919
03-31-2006, 01:11 PM
if its proven its proven. i wanna see some evidence though.

just because he said they did tests, doesn't mean it's true. :rolleyes:

Da Iceman
03-31-2006, 01:16 PM
if he was foreal i wanna see some evidence. what ever happend to chum?

Dempsey 1919
03-31-2006, 01:18 PM
if he was foreal i wanna see some evidence. what ever happend to chum?

yeah, he would know stuff like that. also what happened to brassangel? i enjoyed reading his posts from time to time.

Da Iceman
03-31-2006, 01:22 PM
i like reading chums post.

Frazier's 15th round
03-31-2006, 07:00 PM
Walcott KO1 Ali

Oasis_Lad
03-31-2006, 07:01 PM
Walcott KO1 Ali

plz give a decent answer if not then **** off

Dempsey 1919
03-31-2006, 07:11 PM
Walcott KO1 Ali

ali tko14 joe frazier!! :D

Da Iceman
03-31-2006, 07:19 PM
why do you hate ali so much what has he done to you?

Dempsey 1919
03-31-2006, 07:24 PM
why do you hate ali so much what has he done to you?

i told you he's probably ernie terrel or some **** like that. he's just mad for all them left and right hooks he took from ali. what's my name? pow!!! :D :D

Kid Achilles
03-31-2006, 07:27 PM
Ali TKO 14 a well past his prime Joe Frazier

Frazier UD 15 a near prime Muhammad Ali

RockyMarcianofan00
03-31-2006, 07:34 PM
Ali TKO 14 a well past his prime Joe Frazier

Frazier UD 15 a near prime Muhammad Ali
it was also a physically prime Ali that lost

Dempsey 1919
03-31-2006, 07:46 PM
Ali TKO 14 a well past his prime Joe Frazier

Frazier UD 15 a near prime Muhammad Ali

ali was well past his prime as well the third time, and frazier was at his absolute prime the first time.

Dempsey 1919
03-31-2006, 07:46 PM
it was also a physically prime Ali that lost

no it wasn't! the footspeed was gone! :mad:

Kid Achilles
03-31-2006, 07:51 PM
Slightly reduced, but no it wasn't gone. Bonavena, and Chuvalo both disabled Ali from running circles around them as he had done to Liston with their strength and pressure.

Ali in his prime would not be able to run from Frazier. It's not that he had slowed down so much for FOTC, but that Frazier was excellent at cutting off the ring.

I think Frazier beats Ali the same way pre-exile.

Frazier's 15th round
03-31-2006, 09:01 PM
ali tko14 joe frazier!!

Leon Spinks W15 Muhammad Ali

The Noose
03-31-2006, 10:38 PM
well, i just couldn't believe what was coming out of suzieq's mouth, so this is just for some ownage, that's all.

just like i owned rocco1252 when i made a poll about would you hit on rihanna, and pretty much everyone said that they would. same here i guess. :D


This is pretty ****in childish Butterfly. Even for u.

All this 'ownage' bull**** should be confined to the playpen. Just because Rocco didnt like a girl u were stupidly obsessed with, doesnt mean u owned him.

Seriously grow up.

Da Iceman
03-31-2006, 10:49 PM
frazier keeps his head low pressure up punches midsection.

Dempsey 1919
04-01-2006, 01:58 AM
Leon Spinks W15 Muhammad Ali

floyd cummings(who? :D ) draw 10 joe frazier :D

SuzieQ49
04-01-2006, 05:10 PM
ali had a faster jab than walcott. ali had the 2nd quickest hands i ever seen on a heavyweight, 1st goes to floyd patterson. ali however did have the fastest footspeed.

Dempsey 1919
04-01-2006, 05:12 PM
ali had a faster jab than walcott. ali had the 2nd quickest hands i ever seen on a heavyweight, 1st goes to floyd patterson. ali however did have the fastest footspeed.

i beg to differ. only ali could have thrown the phantom punch. :D even many people today claims ali didn't hit liston, that how fast the punch was. :D

The Noose
04-01-2006, 05:31 PM
i beg to differ. only ali could have thrown the phantom punch. :D even many people today claims ali didn't hit liston, that how fast the punch was. :D

U being serious?

The slo mo very clearly shows Ali hit Liston. No one who has watched the fight believes otherwise.

Dempsey 1919
04-01-2006, 05:36 PM
U being serious?

The slo mo very clearly shows Ali hit Liston. No one who has watched the fight believes otherwise.

yeah, the slo mo, but in regular motion it looks like liston just went down for no reason. that's how fast the punch was.

The Noose
04-01-2006, 05:47 PM
yeah, the slo mo, but in regular motion it looks like liston just went down for no reason. that's how fast the punch was.

It was fast. But i would say the reason didnt see it land was because it was so well disguised and its timing.

People were looking at Listons attack, and the punch was a fast short shot, with no weight behind it.



But to say 'even today many people claim Ali didnt hit Liston'..like who?? It sounds good. But maybe u should start a poll and see how many people really still think Ali didnt land.

blockhead
04-02-2006, 06:20 PM
well, i just couldn't believe what was coming out of suzieq's mouth, so this is just for some ownage, that's all.

just like i owned rocco1252 when i made a poll about would you hit on rihanna, and pretty much everyone said that they would. same here i guess. :D
yea, self ownage buttfly.

Dempsey 1919
04-02-2006, 11:10 PM
yea, self ownage buttfly.

so you actually think that walcott's jab was faster than ali's? :eek:

Frazier's 15th round
04-03-2006, 12:03 AM
floyd cummings(who? ) draw 10 joe frazier

At least Frazier didn't LOSE to him.

Dempsey 1919
04-03-2006, 12:06 AM
At least Frazier didn't LOSE to him.

so? he still couldn't beat him!

leon spinks > floyd cummings

Frazier's 15th round
04-03-2006, 12:22 AM
I disagree. At least Jumbo lost to decent fighters like Tim Witherspoon and Frank Bruno. Meanwhile, Leon was losing to such legends as Fred Houpe, John Carlo, and James Wilder, who had a record of 2-34 at the time, and ended with an amazing career mark of 3-53-1.

Dempsey 1919
04-03-2006, 12:26 AM
I disagree. At least Jumbo lost to decent fighters like Tim Witherspoon and Frank Bruno. Meanwhile, Leon was losing to such legends as Fred Houpe, John Carlo, and James Wilder, who had a record of 2-34 at the time, and ended with an amazing career mark of 3-53-1.

did cummings ever get a title shot? no! but spinks did and became a champion, something cummings never did.

Piggu
04-03-2006, 01:06 AM
Ali's jab was faster.