June 4th in Manchester????

If Micky Vann is the ref, Tzyu will have to KO Hatton just to get a draw.

The only way for Tszyu to win is by KO/TKO or he will get robbed...

I forget the oppponent, but I saw Micky Vann take a point withiut warning for holding and hitting. In the meantime Hatton landed 17 clear low blows before ever drawing a warning.

KT will ko hatton for sure-and a lot sooner and easier then hatton fans seem to think

Well, I'll just have to hope for Tszyu to KO him then.

I think that while it lasts, it will be a good one, but my boy Zoo's gonna win it.

I forget the oppponent, but I saw Micky Vann take a point withiut warning for holding and hitting. In the meantime Hatton landed 17 clear low blows before ever drawing a warning.


Hey, vB, you haven't been so busy lately on the posts. Not too long ago, you were bringing some sanity to the Bush/Kerry thing and got some props up here in Canuck land for that.

About Hatton ... I truly believe that Hatton has not been stung by the first-tier power that Kostya will bring to him. Kostya respects Hatton too, as he should, but I firmly believe that Hatton will not respond very well after the first clean shot. Hatton is a disciplined fighter and will stay to his plan and not panic, but his plan will not be enough. He will train on better defence, but he's just plain and simply a very hittable guy, especially when he becomes pensive about opening-up once he knows he might get tagged big again.

This a very simple asessment, but its honest. I'm pretty much ****ting my pants for this one, because both of these guys like to end fights decisively. I see Kostya out-boxing Hatton and making him reset over and over again.

It'll be a great fight, no matter who wins, But, as you imply, let's hope it's decided in the Ring, not on the cards.

An aside - Hatton will give 'er **** for the home crowd, no matter how he's fairing, so we're set for a good one, either way, minus the decision it if goes that far.

The only way for Tszyu to win is by KO/TKO or he will get robbed...
The truth has been spoken. It's a damned good thing that Kostya knows how to finish.

The excuses are allready coming in.....lmao.

Zoo will knockout Hatton for sure.

Hatton will win and here is a song I wrote explaining why:

THE FORTUNATE ONES.

The Fortunate Ones. To be Fast and free and young,
I wanna count myself among, the fortunate ones.
We wont be denied.

We got the passion and the pride,
We know that time is on our side,
The fortunate ones.

I think Hatton might surprise alot of people on this one

I think Hatton might surprise alot of people on this one
im gonna agree with u DLT
ill be surprised if he last more then 4 rounds with Tzyu

im gonna agree with u DLT
ill be surprised if he last more then 4 rounds with Tzyu
If you put a gun to my head then I would have to pick Zoo but Ive been sayin for a long time that I think that Zoo is a littile overated and he hasnt fought a guy like Hatton before who has the quickness to out box him and has the pressure style to impose his will on Zoo and we all know that Zoo doesnt have the greatest defense. He depends on his O to win the fight and that will catch up to him sooner or later

If you put a gun to my head then I would have to pick Zoo but Ive been sayin for a long time that I think that Zoo is a littile overated and he hasnt fought a guy like Hatton before who has the quickness to out box him and has the pressure style to impose his will on Zoo and we all know that Zoo doesnt have the greatest defense. He depends on his O to win the fight and that will catch up to him sooner or later
The thing is, Hatton has never shown any boxing skills. He's definitely a relentless, high volume puncher, but he's never been in with any top tier opponents. Sure, he's fought a few has-beens with skills, but I don't think that will prepare him adequately against a relentless fighter like Tszyu.
The only big name he has on his record is Ben Tackie. I love Ben. He used to be a fighter, and he's still extremely durable, but he's far from top tier.

I think there's a chance that Hatton might catch and stun Tszyu, but I don't think it's a likelihood. What I have to wonder is, if Hatton gets KTFO, are his big money, US TV days over?

Hey, vB, you haven't been so busy lately on the posts. Not too long ago, you were bringing some sanity to the Bush/Kerry thing and got some props up here in Canuck land for that.
Thanks :) I've decided I need to quiet down now that the theocracy has been reinstated. It would suck to wind up on a no-fly list since i live on an island.

June 4th in Manchester????

If Micky Vann is the ref, Tzyu will have to KO Hatton just to get a draw.

I think the judges decide who wins :p

Seriously i think Micky Vann would benifit Tszyu, Tszyu's well known for being rough and Micky Vanns well known for allowing it.

The only way for Tszyu to win is by KO/TKO or he will get robbed...

The fights in England not Germany, Tszyu wouldnt get robbed.

I think the judges decide who wins :p

Seriously i think Micky Vann would benifit Tszyu, Tszyu's well known for being rough and Micky Vanns well known for allowing it.
From what I've seen, and I've seen about a dozen Hatton/Vann fights, Vann is known for letting Hatton be rough. He's not so forgiving with the opponents.

From what I've seen, and I've seen about a dozen Hatton/Vann fights, Vann is known for letting Hatton be rough. He's not so forgiving with the opponents.

From what I've seen(all of his fights) Micky Vann shows no bias whatsoever towards Hatton. The whole Micky Vann thing has only ever been raised as an issue by a couple bitter Hatton victims looking for excuses(infact I can only think of Stephen Smith's dad ever saying it, after he got his son disqualified for entering the ring and shoving Vann).

Micky Vann only does so many of his fights because he lives quite close to Manchester and is the best referee in the area.

Then I should burn out my eyes. Lying bastards!!

Then I should burn out my eyes. Lying bastards!!

LOL. Maybe we're both seeing what we want to :D

I wouldn't watch Hatton if I didn't find him exciting, but I think he's biting off more than he can chew here.

June 4th in Manchester????

If Micky Vann is the ref, Tzyu will have to KO Hatton just to get a draw.

Anumore details about this? Have they signed the contract? When is the presser?

I wouldn't watch Hatton if I didn't find him exciting, but I think he's biting off more than he can chew here.

I can't understand the level of hatred he gets on here because he is good to watch and the other guys are all as guilty of fighting lower level opposition than they should recently.

I'm not convinced KT is still in his prime which is why I'm taking Hatton to beat him. His level of competition isn't significantly better than Hatton's or the other top guys over the last 5 years so he's not really been tested in this time either. You could say Mitchell but he's never beaten anyone of note apart from the same guys as Hatton, and he looked scared ****less in the 2nd fight. Urkhal, who's nothing special, gave him a fairly tough time too and stunned him a couple times with his powder-puff punches which doesn't bode well for KT's punch resistance.

It's all conjecture though, there's only one way to find out.

Anumore details about this? Have they signed the contract? When is the presser?

The tickets go on sale 3rd February so looks like it's a done deal.

The tickets go on sale 3rd February so looks like it's a done deal.

Thanks for the info dude.

I look ofrward to this fight. I think KT will win, but Hatton has the ability to make it a great fight. Hatton's style if fun to watch and I think he will give KT a better run for his money than most think. But ultimately, KT's vast experience in top level fights will start to show and wear out the tough Hatton. I will finally give Hatton the credit he deserves. But I think KT will win in a good fight. If its by KO it will be late...I think Hatton can take him into the deep rounds.

From what I've seen, and I've seen about a dozen Hatton/Vann fights, Vann is known for letting Hatton be rough. He's not so forgiving with the opponents.

I've never seen any bias from Vann, there have been a couple of times when Vann let the opponent try to rough Hatton up(especially the Magee fight).

I just dont think it matters that much anyway, Vann's still a good ref and i dont see any problems if he does the fight. Boxings a rough sport so its to be expected.

i think its unfair to say vann is bias hes a world class respected ref ,he is known for letting fighter be rough its not just a hatton thing i,v seen almost all of hattons fights with an exception of 3 or 4 and and i think hatton will give zoo more problems than u think , i,m not saying i think he,ll win cos i dont think he will, but it wont be east for zoo and maybe hatton can pull it out on da night ya never know

i think its unfair to say vann is bias hes a world class respected ref ,he is known for letting fighter be rough
Trouble begins when a ref's style fits the style of one fighter more than the other. Sure the ref is not be biased, because he'll weigh each fighter's actions by the same standard, but if that standard gives one fighter an advantage, it's called bias. That can happen when Hatton and Vann are in the same ring.

In fact, I'd say Ricky stands to benefit from any Vann-like ref, as opposed to a refs like Cortez or Bayless who often stop fighters from what they call "silliness".

The excuses are allready coming in.....lmao.Correct........wait until after Kostya has been beaten, and then they can make excuses. There's still plenty time before this fight happens for Zoo to pick up a phantom injury.

Trouble begins when a ref's style fits the style of one fighter more than the other. Sure the ref is not be biased, because he'll weigh each fighter's actions by the same standard, but if that standard gives one fighter an advantage, it's called bias. That can happen when Hatton and Vann are in the same ring.

In fact, I'd say Ricky stands to benefit from any Vann-like ref, as opposed to a refs like Cortez or Bayless who often stop fighters from what they call "silliness".

if vann's style of refereing stopped hatton being rough it would benefit the opponent and therefore be bias on that account. if referees styles were to be scrutinised before every fight in order to find a ref whose style favoured niether of the fighters it wud b imposible. vann has only appeared in alot of hatton fights due to availability and has never been accused of being biased.zoo quite a rugged fighter himself and i do not feel that the fact that vann maybe the referee will have a detrimental effect on the fight in favour of either fighter.

Has it been confirmed that this Vann guy is the ref? I don't know much about him so I can't comment, but is this all speculation or has he been named as the ref?

Tsyzu KO middle rounds

no vann has not been named as the ref :)

tszyu will not get robbed


Why?

Because he is gonna knock Hatton into retirement!!!

tszyu will not get robbed


Why?

Because he is gonna knock Hatton into retirement!!!

Getting beat by one of the best pound 4 pound fighters would be a great reason to retire :rolleyes:

Anyone who fights Tszyu has a chance of getting KO'd early, it wouldnt mean Hatton wasnt able to mix with elite fighters, it would just mean Hatton(like many others) couldnt take Tszyu's best shots.

IMO Hatton at least will give a very good account of himself.

paquiao will get ****ed up

June 4th in Manchester????

If Micky Vann is the ref, Tzyu will have to KO Hatton just to get a draw.


:p I'm sure Tzyu will try to do just that.

paquiao will get ****ed up


Hey you are in the wrong thread :p That's what happens when you have so much hatred for a fighter.

i think its unfair to say vann is bias hes a world class respected ref
It takes more than 1 real world title fight to be considered a world class respected referee.
If you count the WBO, then it's 2. Still not enough.
If you count the WBU, well, you're just insane;)

It takes more than 1 real world title fight to be considered a world class respected referee.
If you count the WBO, then it's 2. Still not enough.
If you count the WBU, well, you're just insane;)

Micky Vann's done well over 100 world title fights so I think he can be considered world class, although he is pretty eccentric.