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Dempsey 1919
03-27-2006, 05:06 PM
post any thing about the manassah mauler! man he's so great! :D

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Kid Achilles
03-27-2006, 05:50 PM
One of my all time favorite fighters. Glad that we can agree on something Butterfly.

Dempsey 1919
03-27-2006, 06:02 PM
One of my all time favorite fighters. Glad that we can agree on something Butterfly.

alot better than marciano, that's for sure.

SuzieQ49
03-27-2006, 06:25 PM
alot better than marciano, that's for sure.

why cant u just let it go for once? you have a bad obsession

i was going to post something great on this thread, a tribute to dempsey one of the greatest heavyweights of all time. however, i changed my mind, **** YOU BUTTERFLY. your a piece of **** little ***** who likes to start trouble. i thought for once u made this thread for good reasons, however i was wrong. your whole agenda is to bring down marciano. i hadvnt seen one thread where you cant go without critisizing rocky. even though this thread is about dempsey, AND NO ONE MENTIONED ROCKYS NAMES, U HAVE TO BRING IT UP TO START TROUBLE. NOT ONLY DO U BRING HIS NAME UP AN A IRRELEVANT THREAD, U ALSO said something negative.

- you have no right to comment on marciano. you dont even know the top contenders of his era. you know nothing of marciano or his era. you simply hate marciano. your agenda is too bring his legend down. your a hypocrite, a prick, an annoying ****, an ass kisser, and the worst part of it all is you don't want to listen when someone tries to teach you.

please stop bring marciano in other threads for no reason and speaking negativley about him. this is a jack dempsey appreciation thread but u turned it into a "marciano hater" thread.

you do like to bust peoples balls dont you? well ur at it, why don't you take frazier's dick out of ur mouth and ali's **** out of ur ass.



i refuse to post on this thread now

Oasis_Lad
03-27-2006, 06:30 PM
dempsey with louis two of the greatest of all time
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c13/oasis_lad/db66d194.jpg

Heckler
03-27-2006, 06:36 PM
One of the toughest mother****ers to step between those ropes.

Dempsey 1919
03-27-2006, 06:40 PM
why cant u just let it go for once? you have a bad obsession

i was going to post something great on this thread, a tribute to dempsey one of the greatest heavyweights of all time. however, i changed my mind, **** YOU BUTTERFLY. your a piece of **** little ***** who likes to start trouble. i thought for once u made this thread for good reasons, however i was wrong. your whole agenda is to bring down marciano. i hadvnt seen one thread where you cant go without critisizing rocky. even though this thread is about dempsey, AND NO ONE MENTIONED ROCKYS NAMES, U HAVE TO BRING IT UP TO START TROUBLE. NOT ONLY DO U BRING HIS NAME UP AN A IRRELEVANT THREAD, U ALSO said something negative.

- you have no right to comment on marciano. you dont even know the top contenders of his era. you know nothing of marciano or his era. you simply hate marciano. your agenda is too bring his legend down. your a hypocrite, a prick, an annoying ****, an ass kisser, and the worst part of it all is you don't want to listen when someone tries to teach you.

please stop bring marciano in other threads for no reason and speaking negativley about him. this is a jack dempsey appreciation thread but u turned it into a "marciano hater" thread.

you do like to bust peoples balls dont you? well ur at it, why don't you take frazier's dick out of ur mouth and ali's **** out of ur ass.



i refuse to post on this thread now

alright i'm sorry, geeeess! calm down before you break something there, lol! :D

RockyMarcianofan00
03-27-2006, 07:40 PM
alot better than marciano, that's for sure.
i have no comment but what i will say is that Jack Dempsey was one tough guy. Strength of a bull and had good speed and foot work to boot. He's definitely one of the best fighters of all time.

"Still considered the first real star of boxing, Dempsey’s intimidating appearance and exciting style guaranteed that his fights were always major events. He dethroned Jess Willard on 4 July 1919 in a beating considered as savage as any in heavyweight history. Willard complained after that Dempsey’s glove contained an iron bolt."

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/IrishInsomniac00/Rocky%20Marciano/thring3.jpg
Ring Magazine

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/IrishInsomniac00/Jack%20Dempsey/DempseyvWillard.jpg
Dempsey vs Willard

RockyMarcianofan00
03-27-2006, 07:42 PM
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/IrishInsomniac00/Jack%20Dempsey/2.jpg
Dempsey

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/IrishInsomniac00/Jack%20Dempsey/JackDempsey1927trainingwithpulleysb.jpg
Dempsey training with pulleys

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/IrishInsomniac00/Jack%20Dempsey/jd6.jpg
Rough and Tuff

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/IrishInsomniac00/Jack%20Dempsey/jd5.jpg
His Fighting stance

RockyMarcianofan00
03-27-2006, 07:42 PM
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/IrishInsomniac00/Jack%20Dempsey/jd4.jpg
Long Count

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/IrishInsomniac00/Jack%20Dempsey/jd1.jpg
Statue at his birth place

probably only fighter i have as many pictures of as marciano
:D :D
sorry they wouldn't let it in one post

Dempsey1238
03-27-2006, 07:53 PM
Great fighter, He would have indeed knockout both Toney and Rahman on the night they fought there "Draw". I give em about 3 or 4 rounds before Dempsey closes the show.

Dempsey is in my top 5 all time greats, and Only Ali, Louis, Johnson and Marciano are ahead of the Mauler.

he is conisder the first Superstar of the ring, but I give that honor to John L Sullivan, but Dempsey was indeed the superstar of the roaring 1920's.

He was a fast, 2 fist fighter, with power in both hands, he had a uniqin bobbing and weaving style, that has not been seen in the heavyweight divsion before. He was a offensive Jack Johnson in some ways in terms of styles. He was the Mike Tyson of his day, and Tyson did copy the style Dempsey used in the 20's.

Should be noted Tyson also took Dempsey's haircut, and black trucks into the ring lol. And Tyson master the Dempsey stare.

People talk about the Tyson and Liston Stare. But Dempsey had one also.

jason100x
03-27-2006, 07:55 PM
My favorite fighter. Does anyone own Championship Fighting, which he published in 1950? It's supposed to be one of the best books on boxing technique and skill. From the Stickgrappler website i was able to download a few chapters but unfortunately the book is out of print and it is expensive if you track down old copies. Definitely a book that needs to be put back in print by Paladin Press or some similar publishing company.

RockyMarcianofan00
03-27-2006, 07:56 PM
yea Tyson copied Dempsey with the fade haircut, and black trunks with black shoes and no socks

Too bad Tyson didn't fill Dempsey's shoes

Kid Achilles
03-27-2006, 08:30 PM
That is a rather generous portrayal of Don ****ell's physique in your sig Rock. :D

sleazyfellow
03-27-2006, 08:38 PM
That is a rather generous portrayal of Don ****ell's physique in your sig Rock. :D

lmao yeah it is, he looked like a total slob in the actual fight against marciano :p

RockyMarcianofan00
03-27-2006, 10:02 PM
That is a rather generous portrayal of Don ****ell's physique in your sig Rock. :D
well 2 things to consider are that i believe the magazine was released pre Marciano-****ell
and
he wasn't a fat man he had a health condition that made him lose less weight. So his BF% was higher, though he was very conditioned for the Marciano fight he doesn't appear to be

but yea that is rather generous because in that portrayal of ****ell it seem almost like he's on his way to a 6 pack
i liked the color of the back round and what not :D

:rolleyes: owell
:hijacked:


Dempsey is one of the greatest fighters ever

RockyMarcianofan00
03-27-2006, 10:04 PM
sleazyfellow even though your sig is alittle racist (i'm white) i still think its one of the funnier things i've read lately

smasher
03-27-2006, 10:08 PM
sleazyfellow even though your sig is alittle racist (i'm white) i still think its one of the funnier things i've read lately
Compared to James Toney, ****ell looked like Mr. Universe.

mokele
03-27-2006, 11:15 PM
yea Tyson copied Dempsey with the fade haircut, and black trunks with black shoes and no socks

Too bad Tyson didn't fill Dempsey's shoes

Let's give Tyson a chance to show the world what kind of a man he is in retirement. For all the lousy things he's done there's still a lot of heart and character there. The guy has a streak of generosity that some people haven't quite noticed yet.

I like the artist's rendition of ****ell and Marciano. :D Marciano looked a bit like that but Don ****ell:

http://boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=012221

was fat, plain and simple. He was basically a light heavy who suddenly fattened up after his loss to Randy Turpin in June 1952. I don't know the inside story, but here are some great pics off the internet:

http://www.pugilistica.com/BoxingArchive2/AlbertFinchVsDon****ell1951PFHandSh.JPG
http://www.heavyweightcollectibles.com/Photos137.jpg
http://www.antekprizering.com/marcianorocky2188.jpeg
http://www.antekprizering.com/marcianorocky2187.jpeg
http://www.antekprizering.com/marcianorocky2185.jpeg

Fat or not, ****ell was a handful for Marciano, and ****ell had beaten Roland La Starza on points in March 1954.

SuzieQ49
03-27-2006, 11:22 PM
****ell beat a shot roland lastarza, who had been ruined by rock when he suffered permant physical injuries and had to get 6 different surgeries. prime lastarza shuts out ****ell.



* interestign note: ****ell weighed 205lb vs marciano, about 10lb lighter than in his previous bouts and in his next fight vs valdes, he weighed 218lb. so ****ell was in the "best shape possible". ****ell may have looked like a fat philsbury doughboy, but he was in good shape. his glandular problem made him put on extra weight. so ****ell had no control of his weight problem, toney did.



heres a picture of don ****ell at 175lb before his glandular problem

http://www.josportsinc.com/item_images/1032448721.jpg

SuzieQ49
03-27-2006, 11:25 PM
dempsey was an absolute beat in his prime. in terms of skillwise, he could do everything. He had the perfect build, he was amazing. true ring legend in and out of the ring. i rate him # 3 heavyweight of all time.


* dempsey did his best work pre title, like liston. the only scar on dempseys record is not fighting harry wills, which i dont believe was his fault. but STILL there are historians who believe wills would have beat jack. he defintley would have been the toughest opponent jack would have ever faced from 1919-23. TOO BAD THIS FIGHT NEVER CAME OFF, I BELIEVE THIS HURT DEMPSEYS LEGACY

sleazyfellow
03-27-2006, 11:36 PM
sleazyfellow even though your sig is alittle racist (i'm white) i still think its one of the funnier things i've read lately


lol ty, but im didnt mean it to b racist, its just a street poem after jack johnson beat the great white hope jim jeffries, oh n btw im multiracial mutt so im allowed to talk crap about whiteblackbrown! :eek:

Kid Achilles
03-27-2006, 11:48 PM
Regardless of his appearance, ****ell was no pushover. Not everyone has the physical toughness and testicular fortitude to come forward against Marciano for as long as he did.

mokele
03-27-2006, 11:55 PM
****ell beat a shot roland lastarza, who had been ruined by rock when he suffered permant physical injuries and had to get 6 different surgeries. prime lastarza shuts out ****ell.

* interestign note: ****ell weighed 205lb vs marciano, about 10lb lighter than in his previous bouts and in his next fight vs valdes, he weighed 218lb. so ****ell was in the "best shape possible". ****ell may have looked like a fat philsbury doughboy, but he was in good shape. his glandular problem made him put on extra weight. so ****ell had no control of his weight problem, toney did.

heres a picture of don ****ell at 175lb before his glandular problem

http://www.josportsinc.com/item_images/1032448721.jpg

Thanks. I had no idea what the deal was with either ****ell or La Starza. Maybe I'm unkind but I hated the way La Starza fought against Marciano in their 2nd fight. I bought a tape of that fight many years ago just to see why La Starza gave Marciano so much trouble. All he did on the inside was tie up Rocky until the ref stepped in to separate them. Maybe he was coached to fight that way, but in my book, even if you get knocked out it's more honorable to either cover up, bob and weave and get out or stand and trade than to clinch repeatedly like that. I never saw their 1st encounter.

RockyMarcianofan00
03-28-2006, 12:09 AM
Don ****ell was the British Champion, and although thought to be fat and out of shape, he was in superb condition - he had a medical problem, which made him slightly chubby. He was thought not to be much of a problem for Marciano, although he was still a legit contender and the best in Britain. Marciano knocked him out in nine rounds, taking a while to wear off some ring rustiness suffered through inactivity. It was a brutal fight, and ****ell was being sick in his corner between rounds, as a result of the extreme punishment his body was absorbing. The referee halted the bout to prevent any serious injuries.

---taken from

http://www.********boxing.com/news.php?p=4488&more=1

where the stars are put e a s t s i d e (without spaces)

SuzieQ49
03-28-2006, 12:35 AM
the bravery ****ell showed in that fight is beyond incredible. he promised britain he would return home with the title. he gave it 200% out there and still refused to lay down. ****ell was vomitting in his corner between rounds durign the fight and still went back out there to suffer more damaging blows.


- ****ell had only a couple more fights and retired YOUNG, i think the marciano beating ruined him . after the marciano fight, he didnt even defend his british heavy title.






****ell was by far the worst challenger marciano fought during his championship reigns, i would have liked to see marciano fight nino valdes instead, but there are reasons behind this why marciano chose to fight ****ell first, then nino.

SuzieQ49
03-28-2006, 12:36 AM
anyway back to the topic at hand

sleazyfellow
03-28-2006, 12:52 AM
nice pics of the mauler on the first page, i remmeber hearing stuff about his manager on his deathbed saying he filled his gloves up with plaster r sumthing like that, i wonder if it was accually true, but i thought refs checked stuff like that and if he accually was using sumthing in his gloves willard would know what a fist felt like rather than that paster of paris (lol idk if thats the way its spelled)

RockyMarcianofan00
03-28-2006, 12:54 AM
the bravery ****ell showed in that fight is beyond incredible. he promised britain he would return home with the title. he gave it 200% out there and still refused to lay down. ****ell was vomitting in his corner between rounds durign the fight and still went back out there to suffer more damaging blows.


- ****ell had only a couple more fights and retired YOUNG, i think the marciano beating ruined him . after the marciano fight, he didnt even defend his british heavy title.






****ell was by far the worst challenger marciano fought during his championship reigns, i would have liked to see marciano fight nino valdes instead, but there are reasons behind this why marciano chose to fight ****ell first, then nino.
i wouldn't say he was the worst but he wasn't the best. Also Marciano ruined many careers

he destroyed Carmine Vingo's (nearly killing him)
roland lastarza's career was pratically ruined by Marciano
don ****ell

he stopped Joe Louis' comeback, Joe Louis who was beating almost everybody else around

Jersey Joe Walcott who was arguabley prime when they fought the first time

Lee savold retired after he fought marciano

Ezzard Charles wasn't that much better after he fought Marciano

marciano put several fighters out of commission


but yes back to the topic at hand

SuzieQ49
03-28-2006, 12:59 AM
whats everyones opinion on who would have won harry wills vs jack dempsey?


- ill give u some GOOD stuff to read up on him later , truelly an underated heavyweight. im learning new stuff from historian kevin smith everyday on wills. yogi, kid achilles will have good knowledge on this mattter.



Ill post harry wills vs paulino uzcuden later for all to see. its brief footage lasts only 1 minute. NOTE wills was 38 years old and nearly shot for this fight, so dont hold it against him. however from the breif footage, you can see the way wills fights, he has a modern style.

RockyMarcianofan00
03-28-2006, 01:00 AM
Jack Dempsey was great but Gene Tunney was by far the perfect matchup for him, in favor of tunney.

in their three fights i think Dempsey won i believe 2-3 rounds.
Granted he should have won the long count, the ref was corrupt but besides that

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/IrishInsomniac00/other%20boxing%20pictures/TunneyGenespeedbag.jpg
Gene Tunney
W 67 (49 ko's) (+ 16 news) | L 1 (+ 1 news) | D 1 (+ 1 news) | Total 88

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/IrishInsomniac00/Jack%20Dempsey/jd4.jpg
Long Count- Tunney was on the floor for about 14 seconds and he got up and the ref was on a number like 6, he started the count late because the new rule that you had to be in the neutral corner was in affect and Dempsey wasn't aware

SuzieQ49
03-28-2006, 01:02 AM
dempsey was far past his prime when he fought tunney. a prime hungry mean dempsey would have knocked tunney out.

RockyMarcianofan00
03-28-2006, 01:05 AM
Jack Dempsey
"Manassa Mauler" (orginally called Kid Blackie)
WINS: 60
LOSSES: 7
KO's: 51
DRAWS: 8
NO DECISION: 5
Total:80

Jack Dempsey born June 24th 1895 orginally called Kid Blackie, His iron strength and killer left hooks allowed Dempsey to beat Jess Willard in 1919, leaving the giant bewildered and shattered. This victory awarded Dempsey both the heavyweight title and the nickname of the "Manassa Mauler, " the name that soon haunted potential opponents all around the country. Dempsey became a ring warrior through his tough defense of his title six times in just seven years. In most of his matches, there were no survivors.
September 3rd 1926, the day Gene Tunney beat Dempsey for the title.
Later in 1927 he rematched Tunney hoping to get his title back only too lose, though he scored a knockdown that was lost to the the infamous "long count" because the new rule that you had to be in a neutral corner when your opponent was knocked down Dempsey didn't listen. 3 rounds later tunney retained the title. He fought more exhibitions after that but finally retired in 1940.
He was said to be the first popular heavyweight champion
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/IrishInsomniac00/Jack%20Dempsey/2.jpg

RockyMarcianofan00
03-28-2006, 01:08 AM
dempsey was far past his prime when he fought tunney. a prime hungry mean dempsey would have knocked tunney out.
that is very likely
but the style matchup made it an interesting fight to watch

Dempsey 1919
03-28-2006, 01:11 AM
Jack Dempsey
"Manassa Mauler" (orginally called Kid Blackie)
WINS: 60
LOSSES: 7
KO's: 51
DRAWS: 8
NO DECISION: 5
Total:80

Jack Dempsey born June 24th 1895 orginally called Kid Blackie, His iron strength and killer left hooks allowed Dempsey to beat Jess Willard in 1919, leaving the giant bewildered and shattered. This victory awarded Dempsey both the heavyweight title and the nickname of the "Manassa Mauler, " the name that soon haunted potential opponents all around the country. Dempsey became a ring warrior through his tough defense of his title six times in just seven years. In most of his matches, there were no survivors.
September 3rd 1926, the day Gene Tunney beat Dempsey for the title.
Later in 1927 he rematched Tunney hoping to get his title back only too lose, though he scored a knockdown that was lost to the the infamous "long count" because the new rule that you had to be in a neutral corner when your opponent was knocked down Dempsey didn't listen. 3 rounds later tunney retained the title. He fought more exhibitions after that but finally retired in 1940.
He was said to be the first popular heavyweight champion
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/IrishInsomniac00/Jack%20Dempsey/2.jpg

dempsey himself actually requested that the neutral corner rule be put into place. :eek:

RockyMarcianofan00
03-28-2006, 01:13 AM
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/IrishInsomniac00/Jack%20Dempsey/200px-Stamp-ctc-jack-dempsey.jpg
Dempsey Stamp

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/IrishInsomniac00/Jack%20Dempsey/s206.jpg
Dempsey KO'ing Firpo

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/IrishInsomniac00/Jack%20Dempsey/250px-Jack_Dempsey_carrying_his_wif.jpg
Dempsey and his wife i suppose

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/IrishInsomniac00/Jack%20Dempsey/a_dempsey_i.jpg
Dempsey on heavy bag

i got 5 more pics of dempsey ready to post
and some more info etc that i'll post tomorrow
its late i'm going to bed

Dempsey 1919
03-28-2006, 01:17 AM
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/IrishInsomniac00/Jack%20Dempsey/s206.jpg
Dempsey KO'ing Firpo

uhhmmm, that's not dempsey ko'ing firpo, that's firpo knocking (or pushing, take your pick) dempsey out of the ring. cause i remember dempsey wore white trunks and firpo wore purple trunks for that fight.

Kid Achilles
03-28-2006, 01:25 AM
I agree. Wills would have been a tough fight for Dempsey at that point in his career. Look at how close Firpo came to dethroning Dempsey in 1923. Wills was of similar size but had more skill than the Wild Bull. I don't think Dempsey personally avoided him. He himself signed the contract to fight the man, but Kearns did not want it, and so it never came to be. That's the one knock on Dempsey though, that he avoided this obvious challenge to his title.

Personally, I think Dempsey would have prevailed in the end through superior handspeed speed and aggression. Dempsey always loved to fight big guys and even the old worn Dempsey who lost to Tunney both times would have had a better time with a Wills than a mover like Gene.

If we're talking prime pre-title Dempsey I really do think he would have taken Wills out in a hurry as he did with Fulton. Obviously Wills would last longer than 18 seconds but he would probably be stopped or knocked out in a few rounds. Not a knock on Will's skills but I don't think he would have had the chin to deal with Dempsey's onslaught when Dempsey was really on top of his game and in the best shape of his life. If you're that big of a target and you're facing Dempsey you better be able to take it and Wills could, to a degree, but not like Willard. I think people will knock Wills' chin because he was KO'ed by Langford. Understand that Langford, though not a huge man, was a rare puncher who could have KO'ed nearly ANYONE. I think Wills had a decent chin, but at his size he'd be getting hit to the head and body with frightening regularity.

I think of the way Dempsey regulary manhandled George Godfrey in sparring and on at least one occassion broke the powerfully built man's ribs (while wearing large sparring gloves) and I just don't see a 6'3" man with a big body as having a good chance against that kind of attack.

However, this is coming from a big Dempsey fan.

mokele
03-28-2006, 01:46 AM
http://www.********boxing.com/news.php?p=4488&more=1

where the stars are put e a s t s i d e (without spaces)

That has to be the best Marciano article I've ever read. Like many boxing fans who have seen the size of a typical heavyweight increase so much that anyone under 210 lbs. today is regarded as a "small heavyweight", I have entertained the notion that Marciano reigned in an era without any good big heavyweights, guys like Max and Buddy Baer, Primo Carnera, Abe Simon and other very big men that Joe Louis faced and beat. However, it was hardly Marciano's fault that all the big men of the late 1940s and early to middle 1950s were not as good as the smaller heavyweights of that era. Somehow I think that Marciano could even have beaten huge guys like Abe Simon or Buddy Baer, although it would have looked like an impossible task on paper. Marciano's power was that good.

Yogi
03-28-2006, 01:55 AM
Kid, since you brought up the Dempsey/Godfrey sparring sessions, I thought this may be of interest to you if you haven't seen it before...I got it from Kevin Smith's site quite some time ago, so I finally figured that I'd share it;

sleazyfellow
03-28-2006, 02:02 AM
lmao one last comment for me on this...the article of dempsy n godfrey sparring "a body attack that made the negro weary" thats lmao stuff right there

mokele
03-28-2006, 02:09 AM
Jack Dempsey was great but Gene Tunney was by far the perfect matchup for him, in favor of Tunney.

In their three fights i think Dempsey won i believe 2-3 rounds.


Dempsey and Tunney fought only twice. Maybe Dempsey was past his prime when he fought Tunney, but for their 1st fight he was still only 31 years old. Of course Dempsey was an "old" 31 if there is such a thing, having been fighting professionally for around 12 years.

Until I decided to really look carefully at Tunney's career and read the anecdotes associated with some of his fights I thought that Tunney was a cutie, an outside boxer who ran around the ring and peppered his opponents with an assortment of jabs and soft punches. Boy was I wrong! All you have to do is to study carefully Tunney's rivalry with Harry Greb to see that Tunney was a real warrior, a skilled boxer with a good defence who also could mix it up on the inside, and who had a devastating body attack. Here's a quote from the last of Tunney's 5 fights with Greb, in March 1925:

"Tunney gave Greb as thorough a beating as he has ever received. So completely was Greb outclassed and outfought in six of the ten rounds that he resorted to a defensive fight after the third and thereafter was guilty of persistent holding and stalling varied only by rare flashes of offensive fighting, which Tunney quickly terminated by a devastating attack. Tunney concentrated his fire almost entirely on Greb's heart and body, landing with deadly accuracy and telling effect. After a flashy start, Greb went on the defensive and let entire rounds go by without making more than a weak show of attack, without landing a decisive punch, even on those rare occasions when he undertook to do the leading." (Associated Press)

jason100x
03-28-2006, 11:21 AM
When you read about Tunney, it's actually impressive what he was able to achieve. He was a smart fighter, has a great record, and did a great job of adapting to his opponent. I guess he could qualify for his own appreciation thread. :)

Southpaw Stinger
03-28-2006, 11:22 AM
Jack Dempsey is definatly one of my favourite fighters of all time. He was robbed in the second Tunney fight. Damn long count!

DaddysBoy
03-28-2006, 12:36 PM
My all time fav together with muhammad ali. ****in awesome in his prime. fast, powerful, agressive, with a solid chin. his stamina werent too bad neither. ****in great!

SuzieQ49
03-28-2006, 01:02 PM
Dempsey and Tunney fought only twice. Maybe Dempsey was past his prime when he fought Tunney, but for their 1st fight he was still only 31 years old. Of course Dempsey was an "old" 31 if there is such a thing, having been fighting professionally for around 12 years.

Until I decided to really look carefully at Tunney's career and read the anecdotes associated with some of his fights I thought that Tunney was a cutie, an outside boxer who ran around the ring and peppered his opponents with an assortment of jabs and soft punches. Boy was I wrong! All you have to do is to study carefully Tunney's rivalry with Harry Greb to see that Tunney was a real warrior, a skilled boxer with a good defence who also could mix it up on the inside, and who had a devastating body attack. Here's a quote from the last of Tunney's 5 fights with Greb, in March 1925:

"Tunney gave Greb as thorough a beating as he has ever received. So completely was Greb outclassed and outfought in six of the ten rounds that he resorted to a defensive fight after the third and thereafter was guilty of persistent holding and stalling varied only by rare flashes of offensive fighting, which Tunney quickly terminated by a devastating attack. Tunney concentrated his fire almost entirely on Greb's heart and body, landing with deadly accuracy and telling effect. After a flashy start, Greb went on the defensive and let entire rounds go by without making more than a weak show of attack, without landing a decisive punch, even on those rare occasions when he undertook to do the leading." (Associated Press)



greb was past his prime by 1925. besides, tunney outweighed greb in that fight by 15lb 182lb compared to greb 167lb

SuzieQ49
03-28-2006, 02:43 PM
I have entertained the notion that Marciano reigned in an era without any good big heavyweights, guys like Max and Buddy Baer, Primo Carnera, Abe Simon and other very big men that Joe Louis faced and beat.

what do u mean by "big"???? if you mean "giants like 6'5 240lb" then yes i agree, there weren't any world class of that sort in marcianos era.




however there were big fighters like who were some of the top contenders of marcianos era like.......

6'3 210lb Nino Valdes
6'2 220lb bob baker
6'2 214lb Joe Louis- marciano faced him

all were legit big skilled men who were # 1 contenders at some point

and at one time there was talk of 7'2 335lb 94" reach Ewart Potgieter being a contender in the heavyweight division.


- there are others as well, but im just giving u the cream of the crop with baker, valdes, louis

Dempsey 1919
03-28-2006, 02:54 PM
I think this picture sums-up Jack Dempsey pretty well. :cool:

http://www.profibox.hu/image_upload/dempseywillard.jpg

RockyMarcianofan00
03-28-2006, 03:54 PM
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/IrishInsomniac00/Jack%20Dempsey/dempsey_willard4.jpg
Dempsey willard

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/IrishInsomniac00/Jack%20Dempsey/jackback.jpg
Dempsey flexing

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/IrishInsomniac00/Jack%20Dempsey/manassa.gif
the manassa mauler

Dempseyistheman
03-28-2006, 04:00 PM
Awesome pics.

RockyMarcianofan00
03-28-2006, 04:01 PM
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/IrishInsomniac00/Jack%20Dempsey/dempsey_willard3c.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/IrishInsomniac00/Jack%20Dempsey/dempsey_firpo1.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/IrishInsomniac00/Jack%20Dempsey/55Dec.jpg

RockyMarcianofan00
03-29-2006, 01:07 AM
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/IrishInsomniac00/Rocky%20Marciano/post-3-1127748724.jpg

Jack Dempsey and Rocky Marciano

mokele
03-29-2006, 09:44 AM
greb was past his prime by 1925. besides, tunney outweighed greb in that fight by 15lb 182lb compared to greb 167lb

Perhaps so, but if Greb was past his prime in 1925 we should all aspire to being washed-up like he was! After losing to Tunney in their 5th and final fight, Greb went on to win his next 24 fights including wins over Jimmy Delaney, Mickey Walker and Maxie Rosenbloom, and then finally lost in Feb. 1926 to the great Tiger Flowers. When he lost the rematch with Flowers almost 6 months later it was to be his last fight, as he died just 2 months later in Oct. 1926.

Of course Tunney was basically a bigger man than Greb who was only 5'8", but they weighed close to the same for at least one of their fights. Boxrec.com doesn't have the record of their weights for 2 of their 5 fights.

DudeManGuy216
03-29-2006, 10:27 AM
http://d65.yousendit.com/D/0TEKIDG3FB8CE2WEKWV82NEO5B/DempseyvsWillard.jpg

http://d58.yousendit.com/C/2SQ3GYGHEM33Z21BG4DDY07SF1/JackDempsey1927PlayingPokerTunneyTrainingCamp.jpg

<object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/3wxHY3p9DiQ"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/3wxHY3p9DiQ" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="600" height="350"></embed></object>

footage of Dempsey sparring. I really like his bob and weave :boxing:

SuzieQ49
03-29-2006, 01:58 PM
wow thanx for that. dempsey looks great! hes sparring with 6'7 240lb big bill tate, a good fighter.

Dempsey 1919
03-29-2006, 03:19 PM
http://d65.yousendit.com/D/0TEKIDG3FB8CE2WEKWV82NEO5B/DempseyvsWillard.jpg

http://d58.yousendit.com/C/2SQ3GYGHEM33Z21BG4DDY07SF1/JackDempsey1927PlayingPokerTunneyTrainingCamp.jpg

<object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/3wxHY3p9DiQ"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/3wxHY3p9DiQ" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="600" height="350"></embed></object>

footage of Dempsey sparring. I really like his bob and weave :boxing:

great vid. good k and 25,000 points for you!

Dempsey1238
03-29-2006, 04:28 PM
If you guys can, you should try and get Dempsey's slient movie theater version of the fights.

Its way much better than the Big Fights showing a few rounds with poor commantary.

Kid Achilles
03-29-2006, 06:38 PM
Great footage. I'm impressed with both men but especially Tate who I knew nothing about. He was no lumbering giant.

RockyMarcianofan00
03-30-2006, 09:11 AM
nice video

Heckler
03-31-2006, 04:43 AM
How the hell do people get the impression that Dempsey was crude... just look at that video.

Dempsey 1919
03-31-2006, 12:53 PM
How the hell do people get the impression that Dempsey was crude... just look at that video.

the film quality of his fights, i guess.

mokele
04-01-2006, 05:52 AM
Jack Dempsey is definatly one of my favourite fighters of all time. He was robbed in the second Tunney fight. Damn long count!

I was always a Jack Dempsey fan and loved his aggressiveness, courage and the bob and weave style that he virtually invented. He also came forward sometimes in a crouch, which I'm sure Marciano knew about and perhaps learned from as he was developing his style.

As I was growing up as a boxing fan I hated Tunney for beating Dempsey in their 2nd fight, but let's face it! Tunney was a great fighter! I never saw the 2nd Dempsey-Tunney fight so I don't know if Tunney did any clinching. My opinion of him hinges on how he fought Dempsey. If he boxed him from the outside but also stood his ground on the inside I have no problem with him. If he tied up Dempsey on the inside all the time then maybe I'll go back to hating him again. ;)

Dempsey1238
04-01-2006, 11:23 AM
I have 8 rounds of fight 1, and the 2nd fight complete.

Tunney did tie up Dempsey often in there fight, Once Dempsey got on the inside, Tunney would tie up Dempsey's arms, and push him into the ropes, Or tie Dempsey up, and hit with upprcuts or other punchs.

When Tunney fail to tie up Dempsey's arms, all Dempsey could do was answer with rabbit punchs.

RockyMarcianofan00
04-01-2006, 11:26 AM
Tunney was down in the second fight for something like 14 seconds - The Long Count

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/IrishInsomniac00/Jack%20Dempsey/jd4.jpg

Dempsey1238
04-01-2006, 11:27 AM
true, but I still think Tunney would have beating the count. That was the only time Tunney was knockdown.

Kid Achilles
04-01-2006, 12:25 PM
Tunney would have definitely beaten the count, but it did give him a precious few seconds to recover. If Gene had forced to get up and fight before a ten count, perhaps he would have been just groggy enough to get caught by a Dempsey hook, which sends him staggering back against those ropes, where he would have been brutally mauled again and possibly gone down for good.

RockyMarcianofan00
04-01-2006, 12:56 PM
Jack Dempsey prime would maul Gene Tunney IMO :boxing:

Dempsey 1919
04-01-2006, 01:54 PM
Jack Dempsey prime would maul Gene Tunney IMO :boxing:

i think dempsey would knock out tunney in his prime, but it still would have been a great fight.

Dempsey 1919
04-01-2006, 01:55 PM
true, but I still think Tunney would have beating the count. That was the only time Tunney was knockdown.

tunney never really fought any hw's before he fought dempsey. that might be the reason. ;)

Dempsey 1919
04-01-2006, 01:56 PM
Tunney would have definitely beaten the count, but it did give him a precious few seconds to recover. If Gene had forced to get up and fight before a ten count, perhaps he would have been just groggy enough to get caught by a Dempsey hook, which sends him staggering back against those ropes, where he would have been brutally mauled again and possibly gone down for good.

it's hard to say. maybe he could've, and maybe not. it's possible that if he tried to get up, he would have stumbled around and the ref would hae called it off. it happens all the time.

RockyMarcianofan00
04-01-2006, 02:50 PM
it's hard to say. maybe he could've, and maybe not. it's possible that if he tried to get up, he would have stumbled around and the ref would hae called it off. it happens all the time.
that wouldn't have happened because the ref was bribed, the Neutral corner was in affect but thats not why the ref didn't start counting that was just a later excuse

Dempsey 1919
11-04-2006, 05:26 PM
bump.......

Kid Achilles
11-04-2006, 06:43 PM
tunney never really fought any hw's before he fought dempsey. that might be the reason.

Johnny Risko and Tommy Gibbons were two top heavyweights that Tunney beat before he fought Dempsey.