View Full Version : top 20 greatest all around heavyweight punchers of all time


SuzieQ49
03-24-2006, 11:59 PM
NOTE- this is greatest all around punchers of all time. THIS DOES NOT MEAN HARDEST HITTER WITH 1 PUNCH.

so heres the criteria you judge: 1 punch power in both hands, combinations, accuracy, volume of punches, how effective are your punches on the opponent, handspeed, finishing ability, timing, snap on your punches, body punching, late power, punching technique, agression ability to punch at all angles, mixture of punches.

HOWEVER POWER, TWO FISTED KO POWER MEAN A LOT MORE THAN ANY OF THE CATEGORIES HERE. SO USE THESE 2 CATEGORIES ON A HIGHER STANDARD THAN THE OTHER LEVELS.


here are my top 10



1. joe louis
2. mike tyson
3. jack dempsey
4. sonny liston
5. rocky marciano
6. George Foreman
7. joe frazier
8. lennox lewis
9. max baer
10. James Jeffries




remember: THIS THREAD IS NOT ASKING "WHO IS THE HARDEST HITTER WITH 1 PUNCH"

sleazyfellow
03-25-2006, 12:21 AM
ok heres my top 5...im not in the right mind to think to hard right no wlol...
1.tyson he had speed, power in both hands, great body work(earlier in his career of course) and precision.
2.joe louis he threw great combinations and was accuarate with his punches
3.joe frazier worked the body hard and had a deadly left hook to the body r head
4.liston early in his career obviously
5.foreman although only a headhunter mainly, he threw really hard punches, ever see him against joe roma(idk if thats his name) hes pushing that guy around the ring with his punches

SuzieQ49
03-25-2006, 12:24 AM
ok heres my top 5...im not in the right mind to think to hard right no wlol...
1.tyson he had speed, power in both hands, great body work(earlier in his career of course) and precision.
2.joe louis he threw great combinations and was accuarate with his punches
3.joe frazier worked the body hard and had a deadly left hook to the body r head
4.liston early in his career obviously
5.foreman although only a headhunter mainly, he threw really hard punches, ever see him against joe roma(idk if thats his name) hes pushing that guy around the ring with his punches


how could frazier be over marciano and dempsey when marciano and dempsey were much better TWO FISTED PUNCHER than frazier.
frazier soely relied on his left hook. dempsey and rock could knock u out with either hand.

sleazyfellow
03-25-2006, 12:38 AM
so heres the criteria you judge: 1 punch power in both hands, combinations, accuracy, volume of punches, how effective are your punches on the opponent, handspeed, finishing ability, timing, snap on your punches, body punching, late power, punching technique, ability to punch at all angles, mixture of punches.



cause i judged by criteria u listed...thats why i have frazier over marciano, hell id pick frazier over marciano anyday, although he didnt have knockout power with both hands his left was more than enough..and hes more consistent with combos and body work than either dempsy or marciano.

Dempsey 1919
03-25-2006, 01:07 AM
don't flame me, but according to the criteria suzie q asked for...

1. Sonny Liston
2. Mike Tyson
3. Joe Louis
4. Joe Frazier
5. Jack Dempsey
6. Muhammad Ali
7. Jack Johnson
8. George Foreman
9. Rocky Marciano
10.Max Baer
11.Lennox Lewis
12.Ernie Shavers
13.Gerry Cooney
14.Ron Lyle
15.James Jeffries
16.Larry Holmes
17.Riddick Bowe
18.Ken Norton
19.Floyd Patterson
20.Ezzard Charles

don't jump on me, but i took into account speed, accuracy, effect, volume, etc.

SuzieQ49
03-25-2006, 01:12 AM
don't flame me, but according to the criteria suzie q asked for...

1. Sonny Liston
2. Mike Tyson
3. Joe Louis
4. Joe Frazier
5. Jack Dempsey
6. Muhammad Ali
7. Jack Johnson
8. George Foreman
9. Rocky Marciano
10.Max Baer
11.Lennox Lewis
12.Ernie Shavers
13.Gerry Cooney
14.Ron Lyle
15.James Jeffries
16.Larry Holmes
17.Riddick Bowe
18.Ken Norton
19.Floyd Patterson
20.Ezzard Charles

don't jump on me, but i took into account speed, accuracy, effect, volume, etc.



jack johnson? ARE U KIDDING? HE WAS A GOOD PUNCHER, BUT HE WAS DEFINTLEY NOT A GREAT ONE. HE NOWHERE NEAR BELONGS IN THE TOP 10.



muhammad ali? ridiculous ali was not a power puncher



ezzard charles but no jersey joe walcott who was a much better puncher than charles.

- KEN NORTON? U MUST BE KIDDING ME. WHO THE HELL DID HE EVER KNOCKOUT? NORTON OVER PATTERSON AND WALCOTT?? RIDICULOUS



larry holmes? he wasnt a power puncher





butterfly, the biggest category here is POWER and one punch KO power in both hands, IT MEANS A LOT MORE THAN THE OTHER CATEGORIES.

SuzieQ49
03-25-2006, 01:14 AM
gerry cooney on that list is a joke. outside of a lot of power in his left hook, he had nothing.

-he was one of the hardest hitters of all time. but not one of the greatest punchers

Dempsey 1919
03-25-2006, 01:17 AM
jack johnson? ARE U KIDDING? HE WAS A GOOD PUNCHER, BUT HE WAS DEFINTLEY NOT A GREAT ONE. HE NOWHERE NEAR BELONGS IN THE TOP 10.



muhammad ali? ridiculous ali was not a power puncher



ezzard charles but no jersey joe walcott who was a much better puncher than charles.

- KEN NORTON? U MUST BE KIDDING ME. WHO THE HELL DID HE EVER KNOCKOUT? NORTON OVER PATTERSON AND WALCOTT?? RIDICULOUS



larry holmes? he wasnt a power puncher





butterfly, the biggest category here is POWER and one punch KO power in both hands, IT MEANS A LOT MORE THAN THE OTHER CATEGORIES.

jack johnson was very effective with his punches.

ali was too. look at his ko percentage. his punches stung you and would wear you down and then knock you out. holmes punches were the same way.

Yogi
03-25-2006, 02:00 AM
Shavers is a better two-fisted puncher than is Joe Frazier, for sure, if the main criteria is two-fisted power. Shavers was better known for his right hand, but he could throw that left hook very effectively & with loads of power to the body and head (e.g. left hook to Ron Lyle that completely messed him up)...

Shavers' right hand is more powerful than Frazier's left hook. And Shavers' left hook is much better than is Joe Frazier's right hand.

mokele
03-25-2006, 06:34 AM
I've seen rather a lot of David Tua's fights and he was (and is) 1 of the biggest punchers of all time. His left hook is gigantic, perhaps stronger than Joe Frazier's, and he's the most dangerous finisher I've ever seen when he gets a man pinned to the ropes. He's not in top shape anymore, and is quite short at 5'9" and a bit slow on his feet so it takes him many rounds to finally catch up to some guys, especially outside boxers with good legs who can stay away from him for many rounds.

Tua has gotten a lot of late kos in his career, and that's not from wearing guys down with a lot of punishing blows, but just from finally catching up to guys who gradually tired and got careless. He's frustrating to watch sometimes since he loses a lot of rounds to taller, quicker outside boxers, but except for Hasim Rahman (2nd fight), Lennox Lewis, Chris Byrd and Ike Ibeabuchi he's eventually caught all of them.

Yaman
03-25-2006, 11:55 AM
1-Joe Louis/Mike Tyson: Hard for me to decide, while Louis was the better puncher, i feel Tyson hit harder with a lot of speed.

2-Sonny Liston/Lennox Lewis: Lewis had awesome power and good speed with his punches for his size. Liston basicely the same but i think he was more accurate.

3-Jack Dempsey/Earnie Shavers: Dempsey was very wild with his punches sometimes but he had great power and hit very precise at times. Can't rule out Shavers. He had power like Foreman but had speed and was pretty accurate.

I might totally change this. It takes a lot time to put a top 10.

Yaman
03-25-2006, 11:57 AM
don't flame me, but according to the criteria suzie q asked for...

1. Sonny Liston
2. Mike Tyson
3. Joe Louis
4. Joe Frazier
5. Jack Dempsey
6. Muhammad Ali
7. Jack Johnson
8. George Foreman
9. Rocky Marciano
10.Max Baer
11.Lennox Lewis
12.Ernie Shavers
13.Gerry Cooney
14.Ron Lyle
15.James Jeffries
16.Larry Holmes
17.Riddick Bowe
18.Ken Norton
19.Floyd Patterson
20.Ezzard Charles

don't jump on me, but i took into account speed, accuracy, effect, volume, etc.

Too many Ali opponents(Like Foreman, Norton) that don't deserve a spot. And Ali did not have enough power to be in that list.

Kid Achilles
03-25-2006, 12:18 PM
1. Joe Louis
2. Jack Dempsey
3. Rocky Marciano
4. Mike Tyson (would be higher based on pure hitting talent, but his two fisted assault diminished in the later rounds of a fight and in the face of adversity)
5. Joe Frazier
6. George Foreman (ranked relatively low for his power because of stamina problems)
7. Sonny Liston (more of a boxer in his prime, who would break guys down from the outside with his jab but his power was excellent)
8. Jim Jeffries
9. Max Baer
10. Lennox Lewis (very underrated as a puncher, when he was on for a fight he would be a serious power punching threat to nearly any heavyweight in history with some surprising skills for such a huge man; his chin keeps him beneath Maxie)

Next come the limited Tua's, Shavers's, Cleveland Williams's, Cooney's etc. as well as smaller but HUGE punching guys like Curtis Sheppard and Bob Satterfield.

I could probably take the time and make a real top twenty list as the thread requests, but for now I'm content with this.

This list is based not only one power, but on effective and consistent delivery of that power. Stamina, workrate, and chin play their parts in my ranking as a guy like Shavers who may have hit ridiculously hard but only for a limited window of opportunity (early rounds) and with limited skill in his delivery of that power.

Dempsey 1919
03-25-2006, 12:52 PM
Too many Ali opponents(Like Foreman, Norton) that don't deserve a spot. And Ali did not have enough power to be in that list.

but his punches were effective enough to have a 62% ko rate.

SuzieQ49
03-25-2006, 12:53 PM
yaman if shavers was as good a puncher as u think, he would have done a lot better in his career. he was simply THE HARDEST HITTER, but he wasnt as great all around puncher as some of the greats

Yaman
03-25-2006, 01:01 PM
Yeah, but the fact that he's a great puncher and his power almost matches Foreman's is amazing. But you do have a point though.

Yogi
03-25-2006, 05:46 PM
yaman if shavers was as good a puncher as u think, he would have done a lot better in his career. he was simply THE HARDEST HITTER, but he wasnt as great all around puncher as some of the greats

I disagree, Brockton, and pretty strongly at that.

First off, if Shavers wasn't a great two-handed puncher then he wouldn't have nearly had the sucess he did have in the ring, because he obviously didn't have much else beyond his punching ability...

He had a weakish chin, weakish stamina, poor defense, poor footwork (like most stalking punchers), not much outside boxing skills, etc...A fighter with a lack of quality in those departments generally are considered nothing more than a trial horse(or something similiar), and don't get rated nearly as high as Shavers was during the 70's & get two opportunities to fight for the world title, unless they possess superb or elite punching ability like Shavers had.

You, yourself put heavy emphasis on "TWO FISTED POWER" in determining your selections, so why not Shavers, who had proven two fisted power in abundance?

K-DOGG
03-25-2006, 06:47 PM
NOTE- this is greatest all around punchers of all time. THIS DOES NOT MEAN HARDEST HITTER WITH 1 PUNCH.

so heres the criteria you judge: 1 punch power in both hands, combinations, accuracy, volume of punches, how effective are your punches on the opponent, handspeed, finishing ability, timing, snap on your punches, body punching, late power, punching technique, agression ability to punch at all angles, mixture of punches.

HOWEVER POWER, TWO FISTED KO POWER MEAN A LOT MORE THAN ANY OF THE CATEGORIES HERE. SO USE THESE 2 CATEGORIES ON A HIGHER STANDARD THAN THE OTHER LEVELS.


here are my top 10



1. joe louis
2. mike tyson
3. jack dempsey
4. sonny liston
5. rocky marciano
6. George Foreman
7. joe frazier
8. lennox lewis
9. max baer
10. James Jeffries




remember: THIS THREAD IS NOT ASKING "WHO IS THE HARDEST HITTER WITH 1 PUNCH" Very close to where I'd put them; but given the more important criteria of Power, I do have some slight changes.


1. Joe Louis........fits all the criteria perfectly

2. Sonny Liston.....damn near fits all the criteria perfectly

3. George Foreman...not as precise; but POWER and Killer Instinct make up for it.

4. Mike Tyson...would have been ahead of George; but George's power edges him out.

5. James J. Jeffries....underated skill...and strong as they came.

6. Max Baer.....short on technique, huge on power and killer instinct.

7. Rocky Marciano...unusual techniqu designed specifically for him and power and killer instinct to boot.

8. Earnie Shavers...POWER....nuff said.

9. Joe Frazier....down this low due to lack of use of right hand.

10. Lennox Lewis....short on killer instinct, big on power

Dye
03-25-2006, 08:02 PM
I dont see anything about Tommy Morrison on here,Tommy hit hrader with one punch than tyson