Lets take a look at his good/great wins for his career

Owned tarver in the first fight
owned john ruiz
TKO clinton woods in 6
KO'd glen kelly in 7
owned Juilo gonzalez
TKO derrick harmon in 11
TKO eric harding in 10
TKO richard hall in 11
owned david telesco
owned reggie johnson
TKO otis grant in 11
owned lou del valle
KO'd virgil hill in 4!!
smashed montell griffin in 1 round avenging that stupid DQ loss
owned mike mccallum
TKO merqui sosa in 2
TKO tony thornton in 3
TKO vinny pazienza in 6
First person to beat james toney and he owned him
beat B-hop by UD

WOW what a record, of all those people he beat, how many are hall of famers? at least 3, and how many of those guys are champions now or still top contenders!! and juyjuy who cares if he didnt fight any brits that were old i dont only u, and who cares if his amatuer record wasnt perfect u dont judge people by amatuer records and its pointless to bring it up

to the RJJ haters U MUST'VE FORGOT, RJJ top 10 middle of all time, the best super middle of all time, top 10 light heavy of all time, a true legend

Roy's one of my all time favorites, it's a shame how the last couple of years played out for him.

Lets take a look at his good/great wins for his career

Owned tarver in the first fight
owned john ruiz
TKO clinton woods in 6
KO'd glen kelly in 7
owned Juilo gonzalez
TKO derrick harmon in 11
TKO eric harding in 10
TKO richard hall in 11
owned david telesco
owned reggie johnson
TKO otis grant in 11
owned lou del valle
KO'd virgil hill in 4!!
smashed montell griffin in 1 round avenging that stupid DQ loss
owned mike mccallum
TKO merqui sosa in 2
TKO tony thornton in 3
TKO vinny pazienza in 6
First person to beat james toney and he owned him
beat B-hop by UD

wins against woods, kelly, gonzales, harmon, harding, hall, telesco, ancient johnson, grant, ancient mccallum, sosa, ancient thornton, paz & del valle mean NOTHING,

However...wins over vaca, castro, malinga, hopkins, tate, toney, hill & griffin are awesome. those are his best wins in his prime, against the best fighters, not his bull**** light heavy days against nobodies

People waited a very long decade to see Roy get bashed, & then still had the nerve to say "See, I told you he sucked.", when he finally did.

All of those people should be ignored.

& i dont think any body says RJJ is a bum, wtf

These people were always nay-sayers. So when Jones was defeated they jumped on that like white on rice and used that to buttress their long held hatred towards the man.
Lets take a look at his good/great wins for his career

Owned tarver in the first fight
owned john ruiz
TKO clinton woods in 6
KO'd glen kelly in 7
owned Juilo gonzalez
TKO derrick harmon in 11
TKO eric harding in 10
TKO richard hall in 11
owned david telesco
owned reggie johnson
TKO otis grant in 11
owned lou del valle
KO'd virgil hill in 4!!
smashed montell griffin in 1 round avenging that stupid DQ loss
owned mike mccallum
TKO merqui sosa in 2
TKO tony thornton in 3
TKO vinny pazienza in 6
First person to beat james toney and he owned him
beat B-hop by UD

WOW what a record, of all those people he beat, how many are hall of famers? at least 3, and how many of those guys are champions now or still top contenders!! and juyjuy who cares if he didnt fight any brits that were old i dont only u, and who cares if his amatuer record wasnt perfect u dont judge people by amatuer records and its pointless to bring it up

to the RJJ haters U MUST'VE FORGOT, RJJ top 10 middle of all time, the best super middle of all time, top 10 light heavy of all time, a true legend

Know what? I guess "Y'ALL MUST'VE FORGOT"....

2 be honest he did skip alot of awesome fighters that would look awesome on his resume (benn, mcclennan, chris eubank, jirov etc) but also beat some good fighters like virgil hill which is the most awesome bodyshot i saw,

to be honest, he did skip so many really awesome fighters that would look awesome on his resume (benn, mcclennan, chris eubank, jirov etc) but he also beat some good fighters like virgil hill which is the most awesome bodyshot i saw,


He did not "skip" McClellan. Mcclellan's time in the spotlight was very short.

Who thinks he's a bum? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

Making a thread even asking/adressing the one or two idiots who might have ever said something so stupid is almost as bad.

wins against woods, kelly, gonzales, harmon, harding, hall, telesco, ancient johnson, grant, ancient mccallum, sosa, ancient thornton, paz & del valle mean NOTHING,

However...wins over vaca, castro, malinga, hopkins, tate, toney, hill & griffin are awesome. those are his best wins in his prime, against the best fighters, not his bull**** light heavy days against nobodies

every single one of those fighters are solid, quality fighters, almost every one was a number one contender. and remember, its not just THAT he beat all these guys, its HOW he beat all these guys.

i know records arn't everything, but look at this

Woods 32-1
Ruiz 38-4
Jelly 28-0
Gonzalez 27-0
Harmon 20-1
Harding 19-0
Grant 31-1
Hill 43-2
Griffen 27-0
McCallum 49-3
Tate 29-2
Castro 70-3
Hopkins 22-1
the list goes on, jones faced so many good and great fighters its unreal

This thread should be deleeted for even suggesting such a thing.

He did not "skip" McClellan. Mcclellan's time in the spotlight was very short.
Mcclennan says after his 30-second bodyshot ko of some guy (i dont remember who he was fightin, quickest ko in middleweight world championship history tho) that he wanted 2 fight next either julian jackson, james toney or roy jones, said rjj for summer 1994 to decide who is the best middle weight would "set the boxing world alight"

every single one of those fighters are solid, quality fighters, almost every one was a number one contender. and remember, its not just THAT he beat all these guys, its HOW he beat all these guys.

i know records arn't everything, but look at this

Woods 32-1
Ruiz 38-4
Jelly 28-0
Gonzalez 27-0
Harmon 20-1
Harding 19-0
Grant 31-1
Hill 43-2
Griffen 27-0
McCallum 49-3
Tate 29-2
Castro 70-3
Hopkins 22-1
the list goes on, jones faced so many good and great fighters its unreal
clinton Woods ? Gonzales ? come on dude. Woods sucks, hes a nice guy & all that but come on man, hes the weakest world champ for some time !

Cant nobody deny he was a beats in his prime and his legacy is established, so to badmouth him now is simply stupid!!! :bsflag: :fing26: :*******:

Mcclennan says after his 30-second bodyshot ko of some guy (i dont remember who he was fightin, quickest ko in middleweight world championship history tho) that he wanted 2 fight next either julian jackson, james toney or roy jones, said rjj for summer 1994 to decide who is the best middle weight would "set the boxing world alight"



That was Jay Bell......& I think Bernard Hopkins KO'd a guy named "Something Frank" in quicker time, after that.

Still, just because McClellan said that, that doesn't mean that meant Roy avoided him.
Roy fought Toney in '94.....rising up in weight to face the guy many (myself included) thought was the best fighter in the world, lb4lb.
Roy wasn't afraid of McClellan.

clinton Woods ? Gonzales ? come on dude. Woods sucks, hes a nice guy & all that but come on man, hes the weakest world champ for some time !


Jones toyed with Gonzalez, beat him 120-105, and then Gonzalez went to Germany and beat Darius.

What is your issue here?

You can take any Hall of Fame fighter and point out 2 or 3 names they could have fought but didn't.

And in more cases than not, there's more to the story than you know.

You mentioned Benn. Somone just posted a interview where he mentioned he never had a lot of interest in fighting Jones.

You're just adding to an already stupid thread with this futile nit picking.

RJJ vs Gonzales is a embarassment, i actually watched it again the other night. its a pathetic fight. Gonzales was actually cryin he was so scared, & RJJ was so damn boooring by then. i love watchin RJJ back when he was actually rippin out POWER combos on Tate, Paz etc

Who thinks he's a bum? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

Making a thread even asking/adressing the one or two idiots who might have ever said something so stupid is almost as bad.

like to troll dont ya bozo

Jones toyed with Gonzalez, beat him 120-105, and then Gonzalez went to Germany and beat Darius.

What is your issue here?

You can take any Hall of Fame fighter and point out 2 or 3 names they could have fought but didn't.

And in more cases than not, there's more to the story than you know.

You mentioned Benn. Somone just posted a interview where he mentioned he never had a lot of interest in fighting Jones.

You're just adding to an already stupid thread with this futile nit picking.
darius was yrs past prime when this gonzales dude fought him, & was over rated euro fighter any way who wouldnt leave germany for ****. light heavy sucked since mike spinx left. rjj was damn boring at light heavy, when i first started watch boxing i thought rjj was like a demigod (paz, hill bodyshot, griffin 2), by the time the year 2000 was on the scene i could not stand to watch rjj any more becos he was getting so boring. he has ruined his legacy by not hangin up the gloves.

like to troll dont ya bozo

It's a retared thread, and stupid of you to even bring attention to such an ignorant topic.

darius was yrs past prime when this gonzales dude fought him, & was an over rated euro fighter any way who wouldnt leave germany for ****. light heavy sucked since mike spinx left. rjj was damn boring at light heavy, when i first started watch boxing i thought rjj was like a demigod (paz, hill bodyshot, griffin 2), by the time the year 2000 was on the scene i could not stand to watch rjj any more becos he was getting so boring. he has ruined his legacy by not hangin up the gloves.


You're a guy who constantly defends and cheers for Calzaghe.

You find no irony in your "Jones was boring and disapointing" rant when you look at what Calzahge's done up to this year?

You're boring.

Jones is an all time great, and a Hall of fame fighter.

The fact you'd comment in a thread with this title and bring up anyting that would mildly resemble supporting it is ignorant.

It's a retared thread, and stupid of you to even bring attention to such an ignorant topic.


but are are people who think RJJ is overrated a bum etc, this is a disccussion of his career and morons liek u should go away, u can say the same things about other threads so why dont u go bother them u seem obessed with me u pervert

You're a guy who constantly defends and cheers for Calzaghe.

You find no irony in your "Jones was boring and disapointing" rant when you look at what Calzahge's done up to this year?

You're boring.

Jones is an all time great, and a Hall of fame fighter.

The fact you'd comment in a thread with this title and bring up anyting that would mildly resemble supporting it is ignorant.
im not a Calzaghe fan, so i dont know what ur talkin about,

but any way, Calzaghe was a damn sight more excitin than RJJ since 2000 (did u miss the brewer war, mitchell fight etc, veit in one round), & im not even a JC fan really. sure RJJ was more excitin than JC back in the day, but hes wrecked his legacy by not hangin up the gloves

im not a Calzaghe fan, so i dont know what ur talkin about,

but any way, Calzaghe was a damn sight more excitin than RJJ since 2000, & im not even a JC fan really

From 2000 to 2006?

LOL.

Those Mario Viet fights were sure fantastic.

Come off it.

You jumped into this retarded thread and started hating.

Find something more productive to do.

but are are people who think RJJ is overrated a bum etc, this is a disccussion of his career and morons liek u should go away, u can say the same things about other threads so why dont u go bother them u seem obessed with me u pervert


Again, WHO said he's a bum. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard, and you could maybe find one or two people who've ever said that, and you go and bring attention to it.

Think about what you're saying.

From 2000 to 2006?

LOL.

Those Mario Viet fights were sure fantastic.

Come off it.

You jumped into this retarded thread and started hating.

Find something more productive to do.
well, yeah, the mario Veit fights were actualy AWESOME performances ?

any body can see that u are in need of some serious, serious help with ur hatred of JC, i find it funny personally. ur ****ed in the head.

No one has honestly called him a bum.
But, I have heard him called overrated...& the classic- "fraud".

clinton Woods ? Gonzales ? come on dude. Woods sucks, hes a nice guy & all that but come on man, hes the weakest world champ for some time !
they are solid fighters

well, yeah, the mario Veit fights were actualy AWESOME performances ?

any body can see that u are in need of some serious, serious help with ur hatred of JC, i find it funny personally. ur ****ed in the head.


lol, this just proves how biased and ignorant you are.

You jump into a retarded thread about one of the Greatest fighters of the last generation and start critisizing and hating like you're in support of the assanine notion the thread title suggests,

and then you put the icing on the cake by not recognizing the irony in suggesting Roy was boring or didn't fight anyone by sticking up for Calzaghe.

If you can't see how sad that is for you, you're the one who needs help.

lol, this just proves how biased and ignorant you are.

You jump into a retarded thread about one of the Greatest fighters of the last generation and start critisizing and hating like you're in support of the assanine notion the thread title suggests,

and then you put the icing on the cake by not recognizing the irony in suggesting Roy was boring or didn't fight anyone by sticking up for Calzaghe.

If you can't see how sad that is for you, you're the one who needs help.
im not a JC fan at all, but unlike some i dont spout bull ****.

bottom line- JC was more than willing to fight RJJ, RJJ was not willing to risk fightin JC

When Jones finally hangs them up he will go down as a legend in the sport of boxing. Saying anything else is just stupid

Bozo....

You've heard him called a "fraud", haven't you ?

im not a JC fan at all, but unlike some i dont spout bull ****.

bottom line- JC was more than willing to fight RJJ, RJJ was not willing to risk fightin JC


You're a closet fan, that's sad enough on it's own.

But regardless of whether you're a fan or not, you're not bright enough to recognize that the critisisms you've thrown at Jones here can be said ten fold of Calzahge up to this year, yet you're all over Joe's sack. And the difference is, Roy's universally recognized as a Hall of Fame fighter, and the best of his generation. Joe's not even close.

Try thinking about that, but don't hurt yourself.

Oh, and nice try about Joe wanting to fight Roy years ago. Just like that long list of fights he wanted but never came off. The whole world was avoiding him while he sat in his backyard fighting nobodies huh?

You're a hypocrite, and not even smart enough to realize it.

do many roy jones threads, just too many

Bozo....

You've heard him called a "fraud", haven't you ?

Maybe by a handfull of people who don't deserve to be taken seriously. The point I was making is that any such notion is so stupid that bringing attention to it is almost just as bad.

You're a closet fan, that's sad enough on it's own.

But regardless of whether you're a fan or not, you're not bright enough to recognize that the critisisms you've thrown at Jones here can be said ten fold of Calzahge up to this year, yet you're all over Joe's sack. And the difference is, Roy's universally recognized as a Hall of Fame fighter, and the best of his generation. Joe's not even close.

Try thinking about that, but don't hurt yourself.

Oh, and nice try about Joe wanting to fight Roy years ago. Just like that long list of fights he wanted but never came off. The whole world was avoiding him while he sat in his backyard fighting nobodies huh?

You're a hypocrite, and not even smart enough to realize it.
didnt RJJ himself say recently that any body who says JC hasnt fought good opposition needs their heads tested or some thing ?? i swear i read that on the net somehwere, maybe east side. & its true. he beat all the best america had 2 offer (sheika, brewer, mitchell, lacy) & all the best britain had 2 offer (eubank, reid, starie, woodhall). sure, he didnt fight all the best europeans (collins, ottke) but thats through no fault of his own- they clearly ducked him,

seriously im not a JC fan, but JC haters mind boggle me

From 2000 to 2006?


You jumped into this retarded thread and started hating.

Find something more productive to do.

Look who's talking, dip****.

Roy jones was a great fighter and will overall be remembered as one, but he fought a lot of nobodies, and was unwilling to take them out like he could have in many cases, that's why he gets negative attention from some.

im not a JC fan at all, but unlike some i dont spout bull ****.

bottom line- JC was more than willing to fight RJJ, RJJ was not willing to risk fightin JC

actually, Calzaghe was quoted as saying, just after Jones beat Ruiz, that he never had any intentions of fighting Jones and was glad that Jones moved all the way up to heavy because he would be terrified of him if they ever fought. He also pontificated that Jones was the best fighter he ever saw.

Now that Jones is washed up, his tune has predictably changed.

That's the dumbest thing I ever heard. He got out of the game too late like a lotta greats.

im not a JC fan at all, but unlike some i dont spout bull ****.

bottom line- JC was more than willing to fight RJJ, RJJ was not willing to risk fightin JC

Dear oh dear.

look Roy beat everyone he had to beat in every weight class. people forget that he embarresed james toney. he worked tarver in the first fight with what sum of 20 pounds lost. the past 3 fights he had was father time catching up. look at tyson destroyed guys for years. couldnt come close to beating danny williams come on or what the hell is the other guys name come on now. he is another example of father time catching up. alot of people had lacy killing JC dont give this hail JC **** bc he was a nobody to alot of people ONE HERE before he even beat lacy. roy is going to go down as one of the best fighters in boxing history.

didnt RJJ himself say recently that any body who says JC hasnt fought good opposition needs their heads tested or some thing ?? i swear i read that on the net somehwere, maybe east side. & its true. he beat all the best america had 2 offer (sheika, brewer, mitchell, lacy) & all the best britain had 2 offer (eubank, reid, starie, woodhall). sure, he didnt fight all the best europeans (collins, ottke) but thats through no fault of his own- they clearly ducked him,

seriously im not a JC fan, but JC haters mind boggle me


You're still not getting it. But you're getting closer.

You imply that it "mind boggles you" to hear people critisize Calzaghe, who doesn't have a very good overall resume, isn't a lock for the Hall of Fame, and isn't one of the greatest fighters of his generation.

Then, you take Jones, who does have a very good overall resume, is a lock for the Hall of Fame, and is one of the greatest fighters of his generation,

and you come in hating and critisizing. Does that "boggle your mind"? Or do you still not get it?

The point is, you're a hypocirte, and you're supporting something in one case and critisizing in another case.

It's laughable you can't see it.

actually, Calzaghe was quoted as saying, just after Jones beat Ruiz, that he never had any intentions of fighting Jones and was glad that Jones moved all the way up to heavy because he would be terrified of him if they ever fought. He also pontificated that Jones was the best fighter he ever saw.

Now that Jones is washed up, his tune has predictably changed.

also, nigel benn said roy was too good for him to beat him, and eubank said he wasnt going out of his way to fight roy, the only way he would fight him is if he was the number 1 contender

actually, Calzaghe was quoted as saying, just after Jones beat Ruiz, that he never had any intentions of fighting Jones and was glad that Jones moved all the way up to heavy because he would be terrified of him if they ever fought. He also pontificated that Jones was the best fighter he ever saw.

Now that Jones is washed up, his tune has predictably changed.


I brought this up a while back, and no one believed me about this Calzaghe interview, because it's not up on the net anymore.

It was just after Jones beat Ruiz, and Calzaghe said he never had any true interest in fighting Roy because he thought he would have lost, and called Jones the greatest fighter in the world.

After Jones lost to Tarver, he suddnely changed his tune.

Do you remember that interview also?

to the RJJ haters U MUST'VE FORGOT, RJJ top 10 middle of all time, the best super middle of all time, top 10 light heavy of all time
He's not a top 10 middle, he's not the top super-middle, and he's not a top 10 light-heavy.

People waited a very long decade to see Roy get bashed, & then still had the nerve to say "See, I told you he sucked.", when he finally did.

All of those people should be ignored.
Nobody said he sucked, they just wondered how he somehow managed to avoid an amazing list of top fighters!

He's not a top 10 middle, he's not the top super-middle, and he's not a top 10 light-heavy.


but eubank and benn are, what a huge suprise... :rolleyes:

get your biased hating of roy out of here juyjuy, your embrassing yourself

actually, Calzaghe was quoted as saying, just after Jones beat Ruiz, that he never had any intentions of fighting Jones and was glad that Jones moved all the way up to heavy because he would be terrified of him if they ever fought. He also pontificated that Jones was the best fighter he ever saw.

Now that Jones is washed up, his tune has predictably changed.
Yeah, nice alt account there Bozo No No ;)

Calzaghe has been quoted in saying literally dozens of times over the last 10 years that he believes he would beat Roy Jones Jr, and that Jones Jr knows it too. Calzaghe even claimed that Jones Jr told him in private that he (Jones Jr) knew he (Jones Jr) couldn't beat him (Calzaghe)!

but eubank and benn are, what a huge suprise... :rolleyes:

get your biased hating of roy out of here juyjuy, your embrassing yourself
Nobody in their right mind would call Jones a top 10 middle or a top 10 light-heavy, that's crazy.

I brought this up a while back, and no one believed me about this Calzaghe interview, because it's not up on the net anymore.

It was just after Jones beat Ruiz, and Calzaghe said he never had any true interest in fighting Roy because he thought he would have lost, and called Jones the greatest fighter in the world.

After Jones lost to Tarver, he suddnely changed his tune.

Do you remember that interview also?
"I'll never fight Joe Calzaghe cos' he's too dangerous. He's young, fast, powerful, hungry, and he's unbeaten. I can make easier money fighting easier fighters."

"I aim to prove that I am the greatest British Super Middleweight- better than Nigel Benn or Chris Eubank. I have a dream that I can take on and beat Roy Jones Jr." - Joe Calzaghe, April 1996

He's no bum. Just should have spent less time playing basketball and more time working on his fight game....

Calzaghe, who doesn't have a very good overall resume.

Then, you take Jones, who does have a very good overall resume.
Yeah, Jones' resume is so much better than Calzaghe's :rolleyes:

I mean, Jones fought everybody there was to fight.. right? :D

Jones didn't miss about half-a-dozen top-class fighters at SMW between 93 and 96, neither did he miss about half-a-dozen top-class fighters at LHW between 96 and 99.

Yeah, Jones' resume is so much better than Calzaghe's :rolleyes:

I mean, Jones fought everybody there was to fight.. right? :D

Jones didn't miss about half-a-dozen top-class fighters at SMW between 93 and 96, neither did he miss about half-a-dozen top-class fighters at LHW between 96 and 99.

juy juy, you are a ****ing idiot
roy jones jr's resume BLOWS joe calzaghe's away

"I'll never fight Joe Calzaghe cos' he's too dangerous. He's young, fast, powerful, hungry, and he's unbeaten. I can make easier money fighting easier fighters."

find me a source and a site for that quote

Jones has never been Lineal champion at any weight he's ever fought at, never unified any title at any weight he's ever fought at, and somehow managed to miss out on the best crop of fighters between middleweight and light-heavyweight that there has probably ever been in terms of depth. I mean, seriously, weren't just a tad bit pissed off when he was getting in there with the Glenn Wolfe's of this world instead of Gerald McClellan, Lamar Parks and co? Or defending against the Antoine Byrd's of this world instead of fighting Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, Stevie Collins, Frankie Liles, Michael Nunn and co? Or defending against the Richard Frazier's of this world instead of fighting Fabrice Tiozzo, Dariusz Michalczewski, Henry Maske, Graciano Rocchigiani, Michael Nunn and co? I know I was!

juy juy, you are a ****ing idiot
roy jones jr's resume BLOWS joe calzaghe's away
Not in terms of all the top fighters he somehow managed to miss fighting. It really is a joke, sorry but it is.

find me a source and a site for that quote
'Martin WBC' posted the link once. Go to his banter website and ask him.

He wasn't a bum, he was a dissapointment to me. He had so much natural talent it's a shame he didn't do more.

Yeah, nice alt account there Bozo No No ;)

Calzaghe has been quoted in saying literally dozens of times over the last 10 years that he believes he would beat Roy Jones Jr, and that Jones Jr knows it too. Calzaghe even claimed that Jones Jr told him in private that he (Jones Jr) knew he (Jones Jr) couldn't beat him (Calzaghe)!


That's not my Alt, I don't have the need to create Alts, like some people around here.

I don't care what you say, I saw that article, and I wasn't the only one.

I don't believe Calzahge ever had any true interest in fighting Jones. Period.

All I ever hear is about all the fights he wanted and didn't get, and this is back when he hadn't fought anyone.

I don't believe a word of what you say with all those stories of fights he wanted but never got.

He was more than content to sit in his own backyard and fight stiffs.

'Martin WBC' posted the link once. Go to his banter website and ask him.

yeah, sounds like a load of **** to me...roy would NEVER say something like that

Nobody in their right mind would call Jones a top 10 middle or a top 10 light-heavy, that's crazy.


You're whole life is based on hating Jones, and when you were banned the owners of this site mentioned how it seems you have some sort of problem.

You're another guy who has the nerve to critisize Jones and to turn around and support Calzaghe. That defeated logic speaks for itself.

Benn layed it out flat how he felt about truely fighting Roy, and you were crushed. You ignored it, and when I pressed, you had no answer.

Jones has never been Lineal champion at any weight he's ever fought at, never unified any title at any weight he's ever fought at, and somehow managed to miss out on the best crop of fighters between middleweight and light-heavyweight that there has probably ever been in terms of depth. I mean, seriously, weren't just a tad bit pissed off when he was getting in there with the Glenn Wolfe's of this world instead of Gerald McClellan, Lamar Parks and co? Or defending against the Antoine Byrd's of this world instead of fighting Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, Stevie Collins, Frankie Liles, Michael Nunn and co? Or defending against the Richard Frazier's of this world instead of fighting Fabrice Tiozzo, Dariusz Michalczewski, Henry Maske, Graciano Rocchigiani, Michael Nunn and co? I know I was!


WBC Light Heavyweight Title
WBA Light Heavyweight Title
IBF Light Heavyweight Title
IBO Light Heavyweight Title
WBF Light Heavyweight Title
IBA Light Heavyweight Title
NBA Light Heavyweight Title

those were the titles jones had lt hw
he was number one there, no matter what you have to say about it

Yeah, nice alt account there Bozo No No ;)

Calzaghe has been quoted in saying literally dozens of times over the last 10 years that he believes he would beat Roy Jones Jr, and that Jones Jr knows it too. Calzaghe even claimed that Jones Jr told him in private that he (Jones Jr) knew he (Jones Jr) couldn't beat him (Calzaghe)!

when were jones jr and joe c ever in private together??
was it when jones traveled to wales for all those fights he had there??? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
please be quiet juy juy

That's not my Alt, I don't have the need to create Alts, like some people around here.

I don't care what you say, I saw that article, and I wasn't the only one.

I don't believe Calzahge every had any true interest in fighting Jones. Period.

All I ever hear is about all the fights he wanted and didn't get, and this is back when he hadn't fought anyone.

I don't believe a word of what you say with all those stories of fights he wanted but never got.

He was more than content to sit in his own backyard and fight stiffs.
Well, okay. So he's calling out Jones Jr and Hopkins at every opportunity for years and yet has no intention of fighting them(?).. even though he's clearly an awesome fighter and if he beats them both he's the greatest, if he loses he gets mad props for giving them their toughest fights? Why the **** wouldn't he of wanted to fight them?? Calzaghe is a warrior, the complete opposite to a Sven Ottke.

I will not deny that he wasn't going to go to America, but Hopkins was offered £3million (almost $5million) and actually accepted it.. only to back out at the very last minute and demand $10million! Warren has all the documents to prove this. The fight would of been held at the Millenium Stadium in Cardiff, it was right after the Charles Brewer fight. Then right after the Byron Mitchell fight, according to Warren (who apparently has all the evidence in his office), Hopkins agreed to a $6million deal only to change his mind 15 mins later!

There are multiple reasons why these people say that Jones is a bum. Choose the answer that fits the best.

A) Because he lost 2 fights in a row
B) Because they know **** about boxing
C) Because the have no respect for themselves or any fighter
D) Because the king has fallen and they feel justified
E) B+C

Rockin' :boxing:

WBC Light Heavyweight Title
WBA Light Heavyweight Title
IBF Light Heavyweight Title
IBO Light Heavyweight Title
WBF Light Heavyweight Title
IBA Light Heavyweight Title
NBA Light Heavyweight Title

those were the titles jones had lt hw
he was number one there, no matter what you have to say about it
Dariusz Michalcewski was the Lineal LHW champion, you cannot change the facts.

Well, okay. He's calling out Jones Jr and Hopkins at every opportunity and has no intention of fighting them.. even though he's clearly an awesome fighter and if he beats them both he's the greatest, if he loses he gets mad props for giving them their toughest fights. Why the **** wouldn't he of wanted to fight them?? Calzaghe is a warrior, the complete opposite to a Sven Ottke.

I will not deny that he wasn't going to go to America, but Hopkins was offered £3million (almost $5million) and actually accepted it.. only to back out at the very last minute and demand $10million! Warren has all the documents to prove this. The fight would of been held at the Millenium Stadium in Cardiff, it was right after the Charles Brewer fight. Then right after the Byron Mitchell fight, according to Warren (who apparently has all the evidence in his office), Hopkins agreed to a $6million deal only to change his mind 15 mins later!



I heard him say he never had any true interest of fighting Jones. I read it with my own eyes, and it's more credible than any of the biased crap you come up with.

This always goes back to the same point: Calzahge spent the majority of his career doing NOTHING talking about how everyone was avoiding him, when he was the one sitting in his backyard fighting nobodies.

He didn't even unify a title at 168 until a week ago, and had a list of fights available to him in his own weight class that he didn't take,

yet eveyone is supposed to but that he was calling out pound for pound elite that was ducking him?

Come off it.

Anything you have to say about this topic might as well be coming from Calzaghe's mum, or someone that Roy Jones stole somthing from.

You are filled with biased, ignorant crap.

He didn't even unify a title at 168 until a week ago.
And is that Joe's fault?? No.

Ottke wanted nothing to do with him.

I heard him say he never had any true interest of fighting Jones. I read it with my own eyes, and it's more credible than any of the biased crap you come up with.

This always goes back to the same point: Calzahge spent the majority of his career doing NOTHING talking about how everyone was avoiding him, when he was the one sitting in his backyard fighting nobodies.

He didn't even unify a title at 168 until a week ago, and had a list of fights available to him in his own weight class that he didn't take,

yet eveyone is supposed to but that he was calling out pound for pound elite that was ducking him?

Come off it.

Anything you have to say about this topic might as well be coming from Calzaghe's mum, or someone that Roy Jones stole somthing from.

You are filled with biased, ignorant crap.
Your making yourself look silly with this obsession, and bull****..

and juyjuy who cares if he didnt fight any brits that were old
Pretty much every boxing fan on the planet wanted him to fight Benn in 1995, it was the most called-for fight in boxing at the time.

And is that Joe's fault?? No.

Ottke wanted nothing to do with him.

sven didnt want to leave his hometown, just like joe didnt want to leave his

Your making yourself look silly with this obsession, and bull****..


you shouldnt attempt to claim that anyone else has an obsession, max

Pretty much every boxing fan on the planet wanted him to fight Benn in 1995, it was the most called-for fight in boxing at the time.


but we all know that nigel benn thought that roy jones was too could and it would be extremly difficult for nigel to beat him, which is why benn didnt take the fight

sven didnt want to leave his hometown, just like joe didnt want to leave his
Brewer and Mitchell were ROBBED against Ottke - Calzaghe beat them up.

Starie was ROBBED against Ottke - Calzaghe beat him with ease.

Can we atleast agree that Calzaghe was always the best in his division by a distance?

Brewer and Mitchell were ROBBED against Ottke - Calzaghe beat them up.

Starie was ROBBED against Ottke - Calzaghe beat him with ease.

Can we atleast agree that Calzaghe was always the best in his division by a distance?

so was roy......i could use your logic for this as well

Your making yourself look silly with this obsession, and bull****..


Take a look at this quote, and think about how it's you that said it.

Pot? Kettle? Black?

lol

so was roy......i could use your logic for this as well
I think Jones would of walked right through the post-McClellan Benn, would of toyed with Collins and stopped him on cuts if anything, stopped Nunn in six rounds or less, stopped Liles in six rounds or less, out-pointed Michalczewski convincingly, had the perfect style to out-point Calzaghe, stopped Jirov late. I'd of put money on Eubank beating him, and I know quite a few people who would of done the same. But the fact is, Jones didn't fight any of those guys and people who have only been into boxing for five years or so just don't get it.

I think Jones would of walked right through the post-McClellan Benn, would of toyed with Collins and stopped him on cuts if anything, stopped Nunn in six rounds or less, stopped Liles in six rounds or less, out-pointed Michalczewski convincingly, had the perfect style to out-point Calzaghe, stopped Jirov late. I'd of put money on Eubank beating him, and I know quite a few people who would of done the same. But the fact is, Jones didn't fight any of those guys and people who have only been into boxing for five years or so just don't get it.


Nobody buys your biased bull ****.

No one cares that he didn't fight Benn or Eubank who were washed up at the time.

No one cares that he didn't fight Calzaghe, who held just the WBO title, had a ****ty resume, and didn't fight outside his own back yard.

He bypassed Cruiserweight to fight at Heavy, and never intended to fight at Cruiser.

You don't like Jones, you are threatend that he (deservingly) gets more accliam than your heros, so you go to obsessive lenghts to discredit him.

No one buys the non sesnse you're spewing, and when you were BANNED from this site, the owners lauhged at what a basket case you are for your obsessive hate for Jones, and suggested you get help.

You should. It's sad really.

No one cares that he didn't fight Benn or Eubank
Ofcourse not :)

No one cares that he didn't fight Calzaghe.
Ofcourse not :)

Jones has never been Lineal champion at any weight he's ever fought at, never unified any title at any weight he's ever fought at, and somehow managed to miss out on the best crop of fighters between middleweight and light-heavyweight that there has probably ever been in terms of depth. I mean, seriously, weren't just a tad bit pissed off when he was getting in there with the Glenn Wolfe's of this world instead of Gerald McClellan, Lamar Parks and co? Or defending against the Antoine Byrd's of this world instead of fighting Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, Stevie Collins, Frankie Liles, Michael Nunn and co? Or defending against the Richard Frazier's of this world instead of fighting Fabrice Tiozzo, Dariusz Michalczewski, Henry Maske, Graciano Rocchigiani, Michael Nunn and co? I know I was!

Un ****ing Believeable.

You don't like Jones, you are threatend that he (deservingly) gets more accliam than your heros, so you go to obsessive lenghts to discredit him.
Ofcourse :)

No one buys the non sesnse you're spewing, and when you were BANNED from this site, the owners lauhged at what a basket case you are for your obsessive hate for Jones, and suggested you get help.
No one buys it? Okay, that's why so many people actually write about how Jones is a fraud, etc.

Obsessive hate for Jones? Lol! That coming from You?? Crazy. Anybody can see that you need help, I'm not saying that in a nasty way but your genuine obsessive hatred for Joe Calzaghe is quite over the top and we can all see that. I give my honest opinion on Jones, which is unbiased, and contains truths. He is grossly over-rated.

uh bozo, u dont like me and u dont like my threads and u think this is a stupid retarded thread but yet u have kept it up agruing with juyjuy and now its 9 pages long, if juyjuy is one of those 2 people u seem to think are the only ones who call roy a bum why do u even bother, u blocked me from your threads so why dont u just stay outta mine

Un ****ing Believeable.
Totally agree..

Totally agree..

I totally agree that you live in a fantasy world full of W.B.O. titles growing on wonderful trees......singing jesters named Eubanks wearing top hats, majestic soldiers named Benn, fiesty wenches named Collins, and a rouge wanderer named Nunn who traveled from the evil land known as America.

At night you sit by round table and campfire, singing and dancing about; carrying on with tales of the never-was division known as the Super middleweights.

I totally agree that you live in a fantasy world full of W.B.O. titles growing on wonderful trees......singing jesters named Eubanks wearing top hats, majestic soldiers named Benn, fiesty wenches named Collins, and a rouge wanderer named Nunn who traveled from the evil land known as America.

At night you sit by round table and campfire, singing and dancing about; carrying on with tales of the never-was division known as the Super middleweights.
I've just come to the conclusion that it's 100% nationality (and maybe abit of jealousy), there is no other answer.

I've just come to the conclusion that it's 100% nationality (and maybe abit of jealousy), there is no other answer.

Yeah,

We in America are extremely jealous of a land about the size of Florida...that would be ruined by mass destruction if it weren't for our support.

Yeah,

We in America are extremely jealous of a land about the size of Florida...that would be ruined by mass destruction if it weren't for our support.
And we still produce great boxers..

The country of Wales is probably about 10,000 times smaller than the state of Florida, and Joe Calzaghe just won every minute of every round against Jeff Lacy (literally hyped as the greatest prospect in American boxing history!).

I totally agree that you live in a fantasy world full of W.B.O. titles growing on wonderful trees......singing jesters named Eubanks wearing top hats, majestic soldiers named Benn, fiesty wenches named Collins, and a rouge wanderer named Nunn who traveled from the evil land known as America.

At night you sit by round table and campfire, singing and dancing about; carrying on with tales of the never-was division known as the Super middleweights.

Post of the ****ing year

The country of Wales is probably about 10,000 times smaller than the state of Florida, and Joe Calzaghe just won every minute of every round against Jeff Lacy (literally hyped as the greatest prospect in American boxing history!).

Juy Juy, Shut the **** up!!

Post of the ****ing year
4,545 and still going strong..

or actually, still hasn't contributed **** yet :) troll.

Juy Juy, Shut the **** up!!
He was supposed to be the saviour of boxing FFS..

That guy Gary Shaw is a fat bastard.

No one buys it? Okay, that's why so many people actually write about how Jones is a fraud, etc.

Obsessive hate for Jones? Lol! That coming from You?? Crazy. Anybody can see that you need help, I'm not saying that in a nasty way but your genuine obsessive hatred for Joe Calzaghe is quite over the top and we can all see that. I give my honest opinion on Jones, which is unbiased, and contains truths. He is grossly over-rated.


Put down the crack pipe.

You're the one with the unwarrented bias that you openly admit comes from Jones (deservingly) getting more acclaim than your heros,

and all of the critisisms that you throw at Jones (which are silly when you look at what he's accomplished and how he's going down in history) are laughable when you turn around and tout Calzaghe, who wasted his career fighting stiffs in a weak division he didn't even unify, never moved up in weight, and has little to no HoF clout right now.

That makes you a joke, and again, nothing shows it more than comments made by the administrators of this site telling you that you needed help when you were banned.

You have no basis in reality, and you speak for insecure deluded ignorance.

Everyone here knows it.

Put down the crack pipe.

You're the one with the unwarrented biased that you openly admit comes from Jones (deservingly) getting more acclaim than your heros,

and you all of the critisisms that you throw at Jones (which are silly when you look at what he's accomplished and how he's going down in history) are laughable when you turn around and tout Calzaghe, who wasted his career fighting stiffs in a weak division he didn't even unify, never moved up in weight, and has little to no HoF clout right now.

That makes you a joke, and again, nothing shows it more than comments made by the administrators of this site telling you that you needed help when you were banned.

You have no basis in reality, and you speak for insecure deluded ignorance.

Everyone here knows it.
How about Bozo No No getting into the ring with Calzaghe? :) I'm sure we'd all pay to see that! As for hating on Benn and Eubank out of the blue, well you just owned yourself - that's nationality.

As for your post, I can't be bothered to read it. Your obsessed, and genuinely in need of help. Good luck.

How about Bozo No No getting into the ring with Calzaghe? :) I'm sure we'd all pay to see that! As for hating on Benn and Eubank out of the blue, well you just owned yourself - that's nationality.

As for your post, I can't be bothered to read it. Your obsessed, and genuinely in need of help. Good luck.


Where did I hate on them?

I pointed out you acklowdged the reason you hate Jones is because he (deservingly) receives more accliam than both of them.

You're clearly the one who's bent up on Nationality. The insecurity you feel drips from the non sense you post.

And again, you need help, and everyone here knows it.

Can you name ONE person who takes what you have to say seriously? Just one?

I pointed out you acklowdged the reason you hate Jones is because he (deserving) receives more accliam than both of them.
How do I hate Jones? I have a lot of respect for him as a businessman. I don't hate him, I admire him as a businessman and an athlete.

As for Benn and Eubank, I'm sure neither of them couldn't give a toss what Bozo No No thinks of them or how they are compared to Roy Jones. They achieved far more than Roy Jones in a celebrity sense, far more than literally any other boxers in terms of celebrity status (with the possible exception of Frank Bruno). Benn was the most exciting fighter there has been, and Eubank the greatest one-off the game has seen. Who cares what some guy hiding on an internet forum thinks, who has never stepped into a ring in his life.

They achieved far more than Roy Jones in a celebrity sense, far more than literally any other boxers in a celebrity with the possible exception of Frank Bruno.

I hope you realize that might be true in the U.K.

Here in the States...Jones is more popular than everyone you mentioned times Five thousand.

I hope you realize that might be true in the U.K.

Here in the States...Jones is more popular than everyone you mentioned times Five thousand.


:lol1: :biggthump :rofl: thats some funny ****.

How do I hate Jones?


You look to discredit him with pointed spitfull and loaded non sense at every given opportunity.

Your word count on the subject alone speaks for itself.

And then we have the comments made about you by the mods when you were banned about how your delusional and unwarrented bashing of Jones was so extreme you should seek help.

You never answere me. Can you name ONE person who buys the BS you're selling? Just one?

Can you name ONE person who buys the BS you're selling? Just one?
Uhh, where do I start? It's common knowledge that a lot of people believe Jones is a fraud and bash him for avoiding so many top fighters.

As I said in a PM - Jones is regarded by most as the greatest boxer of all-time whereas Calzaghe was regarded by most as a complete bum. I believe Jones is over-rated based on that, and Calzaghe under-rated based on that. You can't compare these fighters in that sense, Bozo No No, you can't go on hating poor old Joe Calzaghe with your crazed obsession whenever someone brings up Roy Jones' fight-dodging abilities. Whoever called Calzaghe "better Sugar Ray Robinson"? Who, in America, even believed Calzaghe was nothing more than a complete bum before the Lacy fight? It doesn't add up.

As for Benn and Eubank, I'm sure neither of them couldn't give a toss what Bozo No No thinks of them or how they are compared to Roy Jones. They achieved far more than Roy Jones in a celebrity senseDon't want to burst your bubble but over here Big Ben has more star power than Nigel Benn. And the only way Chris Eubank gets stopped for an autograph is if he's mistaken for Chris Rock. Sorry. :o

Don't want to burst your bubble but over here Big Ben has more star power than Nigel Benn. And the only way Chris Eubank gets stopped for an autograph is if he's mistaken for Chris Rock. Sorry. :o
Well, obviously, over here nobody has a ****ing clue who Roy Jones is (outside of boxing enthusiasts). And I've been under the impression that the average guy in the street over there doesn't know who the **** Roy Jones is either ;)

Uhh, where do I start? It's common knowledge that a lot of people believe Jones is a fraud and bash him for avoiding so many top fighters.

A lot of people?

You continue to let your true biased feelings slip through.

As I told you in response to the messages you keep sending me, the point is that you have literally spent hundreds of hours and thousands of words hating on and critisizing Jones. That kind of wounded insecuruty driven behaviour speaks for itself.

You were BANNED from this site, and the mods posted about your unhealthy and silly mission of hating on Jones, and told you to get help.

I bring up Calzaghe everytime you hate on Jones, because everything you try to accuse Jones of, Calzahge is guilty of tenfold, and he's a fraction of the fighter.

You really need to find something better to do.

NO ONE buys the non sense you're selling.

A lot of people?

You continue to let your true biased feelings slip through.

As I told you in response to the messages you keep sending me, the point is that you have literally spent hundreds of hours and thousands of words hating on and critisizing Jones. That kind of wounded insecuruty driven behaviour speaks for itself.

You were BANNED from this site, and the mods posted about your unhealthy and silly mission of hating on Jones, and told you to get help.

I bring up Calzaghe everytime you hate on Jones, because everything you try to accuse Jones of, Calzahge is guilty of tenfold, and he's a fraction of the fighter.

You really need to find something better to do.

NO ONE buys the non sense you're selling.
There is no comparison between Jones and Calzaghe in the sense that Jones managed to avoid so many top fighters and Calzaghe was avoided by Jones and Hopkins. If you want to believe otherwise then so be it, your the fool.

If I spend 'hundreds of hours and thousands of words hating on and critisizing Jones', then **** knows how long you spend hating and critisizing Calzaghe and making **** up. Because I spend nowhere near as much time talking the truth about Jones (hating and critisizing as you put it) as you do with your obsession for bitterly despising (and lying about) Calzaghe. It's getting beyond a joke, I'm being serious. I think your abit crazy.

There is no comparison between Jones and Calzaghe in the sense that Jones managed to avoid so many top fighters and Calzaghe was avoided by Jones and Hopkins. If you want to believe otherwise then so be it, your the fool.



You're biased, ignorant, and delusional.

A few years back, Jones was at 175.

Why would he pay any mind to a sheltered fighter with no major title who never beat anyone worth a damn a weight class below him?

Hopkins was set to break the middleweight defense record.

Why would he move to 168 and go to the backyard of an unacomplished sheltered fighter who had yet to beat a list of credible contenders in his own division?

Nothing you're trying so badly to say has any truth or sense to it.

You keep dancing around the fact that there's a LIST of fighters that Calzaghe DIDN'T fight, and somehow, it's EVERYBODY's fault BUT Calzaghe that didn't happen.

The guy was a bordeline NOBODY years back. He had no marquee wins, and didn't even have one of the major 3 titles in his own division.

Get out of here. You're full of ****.

RJJ is very talented under the protection of HBO! since he is done right now! PBF is the new RJJ of HBO..

You're biased, ignorant, and delusional.

A few years back, Jones was at 175.

Why would he pay any mind to a sheltered fighter with no major title who never beat anyone worth a damn a weight class below him?

Hopkins was set to break the middleweight defense record.

Why would he move to 168 and go to the backyard of an unacomplished sheltered fighter who had yet to beat a list of credible contenders in his own division?

Nothing you're trying so badly to say has any truth or sense to it.

You keep dancing around the fact that there's a LIST of fighters that Calzaghe DIDN'T fight, and somehow, it's EVERYBODY's fault BUT Calzaghe that didn't happen.

The guy was a bordeline NOBODY years back. He had no marquee wins, and didn't even have one of the major 3 titles in his own division.

Get out of here. You're full of ****.

I thought the thread read "Why do some think RJJ is a bum?"
Why not answer the ****ing question, or stay out of the thread if you don't have one. I posted my opinion as to why some people don't give him his due, what's yours, troll?

No one buys it? Okay, that's why so many people actually write about how Jones is a fraud, etc.

Obsessive hate for Jones? Lol! That coming from You?? Crazy. Anybody can see that you need help, I'm not saying that in a nasty way but your genuine obsessive hatred for Joe Calzaghe is quite over the top and we can all see that. I give my honest opinion on Jones, which is unbiased, and contains truths. He is grossly over-rated.

Bozo is using logic & making sense.

You are just a drunk, biased, obsessed lunatic.

A few years back, Jones was at 175.

Why would he pay any mind to a sheltered fighter with no major title who never beat anyone worth a damn a weight class below him?
It mind just have something to do with the fact that the fans want to see the best against best, huh? Don't people want to see a guy who is rated "better than Sugar Ray Robinson" for beating the 'Nigel Benn wannabe' Richard Hall actually in with a live opponent who could beat him?? ARE YOU CRAZY or what?

Who represented a bigger challenge to Jones than Calzaghe? Jones himself would call you a lunatic, by the way.

Hopkins was set to break the middleweight defense record.

Why would he move to 168 and go to the backyard of an unacomplished sheltered fighter who had yet to beat a list of credible contenders in his own division?
To fight somebody worth a damn, you fool. People want to see the best against the best, not the best against the worst.

As for 'unaccomplished and yet to beat a list of credible contenders in his own division', well I suppose the Eubank, Brewer and Mitchell fights didn't happen then? He beat five former world champions, cleaned out the division of those who had the balls to face him, and looked damn good doing so.

Reid, Starie, Sheika, Woodhall, Veit - all very good fighters (unless your Bozo No No, ofcourse). Admittedly the Reid and Starie performances were poor, due to a hand injury. But the Sheika, Woodhall and Veit performances were nothing short of brilliant.

Roy Has Looked Like A Bum In His Last Three Fights, But He Was The Last Fighter Youd Call A Bum Upto And Including The Ruiz Fight

He Finally Proved He Had A Set Of Balls By Taking On A Heavyweight Then Going All The Way Back Down To Lightheavyweight And Standing Toe To Toe With Tarver, It Was A Long Time Coming But He Finally Earned My Respect

Lets take a look at his good/great wins for his career

Owned tarver in the first fight
owned john ruiz
TKO clinton woods in 6
KO'd glen kelly in 7
owned Juilo gonzalez
TKO derrick harmon in 11
TKO eric harding in 10
TKO richard hall in 11
owned david telesco
owned reggie johnson
TKO otis grant in 11
owned lou del valle
KO'd virgil hill in 4!!
smashed montell griffin in 1 round avenging that stupid DQ loss
owned mike mccallum
TKO merqui sosa in 2
TKO tony thornton in 3
TKO vinny pazienza in 6
First person to beat james toney and he owned him
beat B-hop by UD

WOW what a record, of all those people he beat, how many are hall of famers? at least 3, and how many of those guys are champions now or still top contenders!! and juyjuy who cares if he didnt fight any brits that were old i dont only u, and who cares if his amatuer record wasnt perfect u dont judge people by amatuer records and its pointless to bring it up

to the RJJ haters U MUST'VE FORGOT, RJJ top 10 middle of all time, the best super middle of all time, top 10 light heavy of all time, a true legend

if he was the best SM in the world. why didnt he fite benn eubank? calzaghe? collins? explain?

You're still not getting it. But you're getting closer.

You imply that it "mind boggles you" to hear people critisize Calzaghe, who doesn't have a very good overall resume, isn't a lock for the Hall of Fame, and isn't one of the greatest fighters of his generation.

Then, you take Jones, who does have a very good overall resume, is a lock for the Hall of Fame, and is one of the greatest fighters of his generation,

and you come in hating and critisizing. Does that "boggle your mind"? Or do you still not get it?

The point is, you're a hypocirte, and you're supporting something in one case and critisizing in another case.

It's laughable you can't see it.
IT COMES DOWN TO LUCK IN A WAY

ROY WAS A PRETTY LUCKY FIGHTER ID SAY, CALZAGHE SEEMS LIKE HE WAS A VERY UNLUCKY FIGHTER

BUT WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT ROY WAS PROBABLY NEVER ANY BETTER THAN JOE CALZAGHE ON ACTUAL ABILITY !

I heard him say he never had any true interest of fighting Jones. I read it with my own eyes, and it's more credible than any of the biased crap you come up with.

This always goes back to the same point: Calzahge spent the majority of his career doing NOTHING talking about how everyone was avoiding him, when he was the one sitting in his backyard fighting nobodies.

He didn't even unify a title at 168 until a week ago, and had a list of fights available to him in his own weight class that he didn't take,

yet eveyone is supposed to but that he was calling out pound for pound elite that was ducking him?

Come off it.

Anything you have to say about this topic might as well be coming from Calzaghe's mum, or someone that Roy Jones stole somthing from.

You are filled with biased, ignorant crap.
"POUND FOR POUND ELITE" IS BULL****

IT OFTEN COMES DOWN TO WHO GETS THE LUCK OF THE DRAW, WHO GETS THE RIGHT FIGHTS

ROY JONES NEEDED JAMES TONEY TO BECOME A POUND FOR POUND ELITE, BERNARD HOPKINS NEEDED FELIX TRINIDAD TO BECOME A POUND FOR POUND ELITE, JOE CALZAGHE NEEDED ROY JONES OR BERNARD HOPKINS TO BECOME A POUND FOR POUND ELITE BUT THEY PROLLY WOULDNT LET HIM HAVE HIS FIGHT ( TOO MUCH RISK FOR TOO LITTLE MONEY , EG CALZAGHE WASNT A BIG ENOUGH NAME OVER HERE )

ON A SIDENOTE, WHY ARE YOU WRITING SO MANY ESSAYS GIVING YOUR VIEWS ON JOE CALZAGHE IN A THREAD THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE TALKING ABOUT ROY JONES JUNR ?

JOE CALZAGHE CERTAINLY EARNED MY RESPECY IN THE JEFF LACY FIGHT, AND ITS CLEAR TO ME THAT THE GUY HAS ABILITY AND PROBABLY ALWAYS DID HAVE BUT WE OVER HERE WERETOO PIG IGNORANT TO RECOGNISE THE MOST TALENTED EUROPEAN FIGHTER ( JOE CALZAGHE )


AND BOZO MY MAN IF CALZAGHE STILL HASNT EARNT YOUR RESPECT THEN YOU ARE IN THE MINORITY MY FRIEND

Jones is not a bum, but he is overrated. Also the Jones nut-huggers are as bad as any nut-hugger I've ever seen. :eek:

if he was the best SM in the world. why didnt he fite benn eubank? calzaghe? collins? explain?

when joe was champ roy was a weight class above him. eubank said himself that he wouldnt fight roy unless roy was a mandatory for his belt. benn, in an article, said roy was too good even for him.

also u have to realize that just like eubank, benn and collins didnt want to go to the us to fight, roy didnt want to go to england or scotland to fight. add in ego's and money and youll realize its logiclly impossible

Jones is not a bum, but he is overrated. Also the Jones nut-huggers are as bad as any nut-hugger I've ever seen. :eek:

hmm this coming from the same guy who said toney would beat ali??

hahahahahhahahhhahahah

LOU DIBELLA SAYS RJJ WAS WILLING TO GO TO ENGLAND TO FIGHT EUBANKS, AND HOW EUBANKS IN DECEMBER 1994 WAS OFFERED ALOT OF MONEY TO FIGHT RJJ TO BE ON HBO BUT CHOSE TO FIGHT STEVE COLLINS INSTEAD AND LOST, WHAT CAN YOU SAY TO THAT JUICY???? RJJ V EUBANKS WOULD OF FIGHT OF THE CENTURY BUT EUBANKS TOO CHICKEN **** TO GET IT ON!!

BENN TO HIS CREDIT DID SAY THAT HE WOULDNT FIGHT RJJ IN ENGLAND, THAT HE ONLY WANTED IT IN AMERICA, AND RJJ SAID BENN V MCLENNAN WAS THE "BEST FIGHT SINCE HAGLER V HEARNS" AND THAT HIM AND BENN WOULD BE THE "BIGGEST FIGHT SINCE HAGLER V LEONARD", FACT IS THE FIGHT WAS ARRANGED FOR 50 MILLION DOLLARS BUT BENN SAID WHY RUSH AND WAITED, AND WAITED, AND WAITED, AND THEN LOST TO SUGARBOY MALINGA!!!!!

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/rec.sport.boxing/browse_frm/thread/a3b3d5a3c39a5b7d/1d5d76afa88cc1fb?lnk=st

Hey Flyy, you PMing me because I called Bozo on his trolling?
If it's about Bozo, **** that *****, let her take care of herself lol
That ***** doesn't do **** but make ****ing GIFs and troll 24 hours a day, *****.
That ****** never intended to post an opinion or anything reasonable when he saw the thread, he just saw who made it and decided to post a bunch of personal attacks on whoever was posting in the thread, that's some coward ass **** from a coward . And I hope you quote me so that lipstick wearing ***** has to read it too, so both of you can put me on double ignore lol

than he JC wanted Roy so bad he would have stepped up to Roy and fought him. My thing is why if Roy has the titles should he give them up so fight overseas where he was onced robbed. why not JC come to Roy. Roy said in a recent interview that he is willing to go over there this time bc he has no titles to lose if it goes to a decision. but as for JC years ago wanting to fight Roy JC should have grown some balls and came over here to fight. why not?? come on now. you come to the champ the champ dont come to you. come on now.

rjj is not a bum, but he is a big stinky doo doo head.

Lets take a look at his good/great wins for his career

Owned tarver in the first fight
owned john ruiz
TKO clinton woods in 6
KO'd glen kelly in 7
owned Juilo gonzalez
TKO derrick harmon in 11
TKO eric harding in 10
TKO richard hall in 11
owned david telesco
owned reggie johnson
TKO otis grant in 11
owned lou del valle
KO'd virgil hill in 4!!
smashed montell griffin in 1 round avenging that stupid DQ loss
owned mike mccallum
TKO merqui sosa in 2
TKO tony thornton in 3
TKO vinny pazienza in 6
First person to beat james toney and he owned him
beat B-hop by UD

WOW what a record, of all those people he beat, how many are hall of famers? at least 3, and how many of those guys are champions now or still top contenders!! and juyjuy who cares if he didnt fight any brits that were old i dont only u, and who cares if his amatuer record wasnt perfect u dont judge people by amatuer records and its pointless to bring it up

to the RJJ haters U MUST'VE FORGOT, RJJ top 10 middle of all time, the best super middle of all time, top 10 light heavy of all time, a true legend

are you being serious?

People think that RJJ is a bum probably because he lost to two people that he was chose to beat including a journeymen.

To fight somebody worth a damn, you fool. People want to see the best against the best, not the best against the worst.

As for 'unaccomplished and yet to beat a list of credible contenders in his own division', well I suppose the Eubank, Brewer and Mitchell fights didn't happen then? He beat five former world champions, cleaned out the division of those who had the balls to face him, and looked damn good doing so.

Reid, Starie, Sheika, Woodhall, Veit - all very good fighters (unless your Bozo No No, ofcourse). Admittedly the Reid and Starie performances were poor, due to a hand injury. But the Sheika, Woodhall and Veit performances were nothing short of brilliant.


You are outright delusional about what Calzaghe's status was back then.

It's useless to try and talk to you about it, because your mind is in a different state of reality.

He hadn't unified a major title, hadn't beaten a great opponent, and had no overall acclaim to be calling people to come and fight him in his backyard, especially elite fighters outside of the division he was in that contained contenders he hadn't even fought.

You are completley biased, and outright delusional.

And I've told you several times to stop sending me private messages to discuss what's being discussed here. I have deleted them without reading them because I'm speaking to you here. There's no need to be pointing out your deluded non sense in two seperate places.

are you being serious?

he clearly won that fight, probably by four or five rounds

i forget how i scored it, id have to watch the fight again, but he convincingly won that fight

it seemed close at first glance, but for me, the more times i see it, the more roy won by

than he JC wanted Roy so bad he would have stepped up to Roy and fought him. My thing is why if Roy has the titles should he give them up so fight overseas where he was onced robbed. why not JC come to Roy. Roy said in a recent interview that he is willing to go over there this time bc he has no titles to lose if it goes to a decision. but as for JC years ago wanting to fight Roy JC should have grown some balls and came over here to fight. why not?? come on now. you come to the champ the champ dont come to you. come on now.
Calzaghe had no money to make by fighting Jones outside of Wales, and Calzaghe is scared of flying.

Calzaghe had no money to make by fighting Jones outside of Wales, and Calzaghe is scared of flying.

hahahahahahahahaha

so joe calls out the champion under the conditions he gets the bigger chunk of money and roy flies to his hometown...

i think its pretty clear who didnt want to fight who here

You are outright delusional about what Calzaghe's status was back then.

It's useless to try and talk to you about it, because your mind is in a different state of reality.

He hadn't unified a major title, hadn't beaten a great opponent, and had no overall acclaim to be calling people to come and fight him in his backyard, especially elite fighters outside of the division he was in that contained contenders he hadn't even fought.

You are completley biased, and outright delusional.

And I've told you several times to stop sending me private messages to discuss what's being discussed here. I have deleted them without reading them because I'm speaking to you here. There's no need to be pointing out your deluded non sense in two seperate places.
Those are your delusional opinions and your entitled to them, but keep them to yourself because we're not interested.

Your spamming is worse than Anorak was.

how many threads about boxers from great britan have you created, max?

is that Roy's fault? Not if my man had some balls he would have come over here in the first place to try and get some big money fights to work up to Roy. you cant just sit on the other side of the world and say that you can kick Roy's ass and than not come over here and do it. thats BS. The champ does not have to go to anyone. if Roy was calling JC out now to come to America to fight you would be saying the samething i am. so please dont give me that crap. the champ dont go to nobody you have to come to the champ.

Your spamming is worse than Anorak was.

Ahhh...

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Ahhh...

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Same old double standard from you, you're just about the biggest spammer on the site now. How about that opinion?
Where's Flyy, I don't see him holding your hand lol
Maybe he'll PM me again, or hit me with the red
since you only pull out the big guns for me lol