I was fortunate enough to get to watch some fights for a change. My cutman invited me over for the Toney fight and before the fight aired I watched Calzage/Lacy. I expected to see some good fights and skills but found myself disappointed with both once the night was over. I had heard alot about the Calzage/Lacy fight and how great Calzage looked. I had great anticipation for Toney in his bout but found myself sickened by the 2nd round.

Toney is a talented fighter, make no mistake about it. But with obvious lack of conditioning he was able to show little against Rahman. As my trainer always said, fatigue makes cowards of us all. Being that I will be judging and refereeing soon in the pros I am unable to comment on the judging of the fight.

Easy assesment of the Rahman/Toney fight. If James would have showed up in shape he would have easily won the fight.

With Calzage, yeah he looked great when he sat down on his shots and let that straight left fly. But man, what a slapper. I must have counted atleast 50 or 60 shots that Lacy took that were landed with the side of the glove. People think that slaps dont hurt, let me tell you that they can do more damage than regular clean blows. I wondered if Lacys cuts and swelling around his eyes were not caused by those slaps. If the fight had not been in Wales, I wonder if the ref would have called him on it. There were plenty of oppertunities to call him on it.

Essentially, I left the television that night not disgusted but uneasy. Uneasy about everything from the fighters, to the reffing and onto the judging. Lets hope that this not continue into the future. If it does it will just continue what seems to be the downward spiral that has become boxing.

Rockin' :boxing:

Do you think that James Toney slaps a little bit too? Alot of those straight right hands are really hard punches but some of the hooks look like he gets them with his palm???

Larry Holmes slapped, George Foreman slapped, it happens.

He may, here and there. But for the most part I would say that James is not a slapper.

Calazge on the other hand would throw like 6 or 8 slaps right in a row. It really made me sick watching it. It was his defense against Lacy when Lacy would attack. It is a sub amatuer tactic that should not be allowed. Its garbage.

Rockin' :boxing:

Then blame the amateur leagues for giving the fighters no help on making it to the pro's, the rules need to change.

Then blame the amateur leagues for giving the fighters no help on making it to the pro's, the rules need to change.


You have never watched the amatuers in my opinion. I call that stuff all the time. Turn 'em over I signal to them. When moneys involved and a fighter is fighting in his own country against a foreigner, things tend to happen.

Rockin' :boxing:

I was fortunate enough to get to watch some fights for a change. My cutman invited me over for the Toney fight and before the fight aired I watched Calzage/Lacy. I expected to see some good fights and skills but found myself disappointed with both once the night was over. I had heard alot about the Calzage/Lacy fight and how great Calzage looked. I had great anticipation for Toney in his bout but found myself sickened by the 2nd round.

Toney is a talented fighter, make no mistake about it. But with obvious lack of conditioning he was able to show little against Rahman. As my trainer always said, fatigue makes cowards of us all. Being that I will be judging and refereeing soon in the pros I am unable to comment on the judging of the fight.

Easy assesment of the Rahman/Toney fight. If James would have showed up in shape he would have easily won the fight.

With Calzage, yeah he looked great when he sat down on his shots and let that straight left fly. But man, what a slapper. I must have counted atleast 50 or 60 shots that Lacy took that were landed with the side of the glove. People think that slaps dont hurt, let me tell you that they can do more damage than regular clean blows. I wondered if Lacys cuts and swelling around his eyes were not caused by those slaps. If the fight had not been in Wales, I wonder if the ref would have called him on it. There were plenty of oppertunities to call him on it.

Essentially, I left the television that night not disgusted but uneasy. Uneasy about everything from the fighters, to the reffing and onto the judging. Lets hope that this not continue into the future. If it does it will just continue what seems to be the downward spiral that has become boxing.






Rockin' :boxing:




With all due respect, you are talking (or typing) out of your arse. The fight wasn't in Wales, and the referee and two of the judges were from the US/Puerto Rico.

I think Toney slapped that cut above Rocks eye on purpose. He's got mad skillz like that.

With all due respect, you are talking (or typing) out of your arse. The fight wasn't in Wales, and the referee and two of the judges were from the US/Puerto Rico.

My mistake, I didnt take notes watching the fight. I typed it up from the top of my head.

And if you knew the game, the inside of the game, you would know how it works.

So if you knew whats what you would realize that your actually the one typing out of you arse.

Rockin' :boxing:

You have never watched the amatuers in my opinion. I call that stuff all the time. Turn 'em over I signal to them. When moneys involved and a fighter is fighting in his own country against a foreigner, things tend to happen.

Rockin' :boxing:

He fought in Manchester, not Wales.

Come on rockin, Joe fought a great fight, can't you just leave it at that? it just sounds like sour grapes when people nit pick like that.

I was fortunate enough to get to watch some fights for a change. My cutman invited me over for the Toney fight and before the fight aired I watched Calzage/Lacy. I expected to see some good fights and skills but found myself disappointed with both once the night was over. I had heard alot about the Calzage/Lacy fight and how great Calzage looked. I had great anticipation for Toney in his bout but found myself sickened by the 2nd round.

Toney is a talented fighter, make no mistake about it. But with obvious lack of conditioning he was able to show little against Rahman. As my trainer always said, fatigue makes cowards of us all. Being that I will be judging and refereeing soon in the pros I am unable to comment on the judging of the fight.

Easy assesment of the Rahman/Toney fight. If James would have showed up in shape he would have easily won the fight.

With Calzage, yeah he looked great when he sat down on his shots and let that straight left fly. But man, what a slapper. I must have counted atleast 50 or 60 shots that Lacy took that were landed with the side of the glove. People think that slaps dont hurt, let me tell you that they can do more damage than regular clean blows. I wondered if Lacys cuts and swelling around his eyes were not caused by those slaps. If the fight had not been in Wales, I wonder if the ref would have called him on it. There were plenty of oppertunities to call him on it.

Essentially, I left the television that night not disgusted but uneasy. Uneasy about everything from the fighters, to the reffing and onto the judging. Lets hope that this not continue into the future. If it does it will just continue what seems to be the downward spiral that has become boxing.

Rockin' :boxing:


:rolleyes: :crying: :bottle:

He did very well when he sat down on his shots. But now, come on Paul, can you say that he didnt slap in that fight.

He looked really good at times, at others he looked like a cat trying to fend off another cat. Like sub par amatuers slapping at eachother.

Rockin' :boxing:

He did very well when he sat down on his shots. But now, come on Paul, can you say that he didnt slap in that fight.

He looked really good at times, at others he looked like a cat trying to fend off another cat. Like sub par amatuers slapping at eachother.

Rockin' :boxing:

id love to see him slap your goofy looking ass all over the ring

He did very well when he sat down on his shots. But now, come on Paul, can you say that he didnt slap in that fight.

He looked really good at times, at others he looked like a cat trying to fend off another cat. Like sub par amatuers slapping at eachother.

Rockin' :boxing:
It just seemed to me like a boxing masterclass from Calzaghe, he might slap wth some of his punches, but i don't think that takes anything away from his performance, even the haters accept that Calzaghe put on a great performance, it was a boxing lesson for Lacy, and almost a total shutout.

My mistake, I didnt take notes watching the fight. I typed it up from the top of my head.

And if you knew the game, the inside of the game, you would know how it works.

So if you knew whats what you would realize that your actually the one typing out of you arse.

Rockin' :boxing:


Oh, its the old "lace them up" card. I thought you were better than that, but no. All this stuff just makes you seem like a bitter, washed up fellow.

joe was slapping a bit but I dont see why that's such a problem..

srl didnt get **** for his slapping

is there a rule agaisnt slapping punchs?, i always thought that slaps was just a different word for arm punchs

Calazge looked good, really good at times. Please tell me that he was not slapping alot.

You guys call me a hater and all of that, its cool. You have your opinion just like I have mine of the slapping. I viewed it objectivly and in an unbiased state.

Calazge is multiple times better than Lacy, it was obvious. As was the slapping that Calzage did. You guys think that those slaps dont hurt or do damage, let me tell you that they do. Even without the slaps he could have easily handled Lacy.

Rockin' :boxing:

It's just the way you said it man, like if you had of said Calzaghe put on a great performance, but it was just a shame about the slapping, then it might not have sounded as bad, it's just the way it came across, thats all.

I think Toney slapped that cut above Rocks eye on purpose. He's got mad skillz like that.
** Toney butted Rahman in the 2nd round which opened up the cut. Do try and pay attention.

id love to see him slap your goofy looking ass all over the ring


*****, I could fill a thimble with what you really know about boxing.

I have never once stated that I could or would fight anybody in the world ranks right now. In my time I threw fists with many world class fighters.

When you KNOW anything about this game let me know.

Rockin' :boxing:

** Toney butted Rahman in the 2nd round which opened up the cut. Do try and pay attention.



I didn't say he opened the cut with a slap. I said he slapped the cut. That means after it was allready there.


Do try and pay attention to the posts that you are dissing.

So, after watching Lacy get totally dominated, you were dissapointed with Joes slaps?

Or that the ref didnt call him on it?

Its just strange that u focus on that and suggest it was because the fight was not in America, and dont talk about what a great performance it was.
I havent heard anyone else talk about that. No one apart from u seems to of had a problem with it.

But maybe thats why u are drawing attention to it.

So, after watching Lacy get totally dominated, you were dissapointed with Joes slaps?

Or that the ref didnt call him on it?

Its just strange that u focus on that and suggest it was because the fight was not in America, and dont talk about what a great performance it was.
I havent heard anyone else talk about that. No one apart from u seems to of had a problem with it.

But maybe thats why u are drawing attention to it.

I am not saying that Calzage didnt fight well, he was 10x the fighter that Lacy was, tailor made for him if you would.

It was just something that I saw happen many times in the fight. Replay the fight if you have the ability and you will see what I mean. Lacy comes in and Joe lets like 6 or 8 left-right slaps go up against Lacys gloves and face. Those shots hurt man and do alot of damage. You could only understand if you have eatin' a few in your time. If you have then you know exactly what Im talking about with the damage that can be done.

FOR THE RECORD!!!!!!! Lacy was not in Calazges leauge that night, nor will he ever be in my opinion. But it was so blatantly obvious that he was slapping alot. I didnt see the shots that caused the cuts or swelling, they very well may have been from the heel of the glove. I dont know, I didnt see the shots that caused them. It is however a possibility.

Rockin' :boxing:

Larry Holmes slapped, George Foreman slapped, it happens.

i wouldnt call foreman a slapper

He may, here and there. But for the most part I would say that James is not a slapper.

Calazge on the other hand would throw like 6 or 8 slaps right in a row. It really made me sick watching it. It was his defense against Lacy when Lacy would attack. It is a sub amatuer tactic that should not be allowed. Its garbage.

Rockin' :boxing:


You would be hardpressed to find a great fighter who doesnt do some shady things in the ring, Joe does throw a lot of slaps but he mixes his speed so well...sure he will throw a few slaps in a row but then he will follow it up with a a hard shot or two.

Being critical of Joe's performance is tough to do...after Pac Man destroyed Barerra did you complain that his style looked amatuerish and one dimensional or has your trainer not showed you that scrap yet?

You will be hardpressed to find a fighter fight at the pace Joe Calzaghe fights at...you cant find anything to say good about him? He's just a slapper?

I actually did mention that Pac runs in like an amatuer and that Morales would hand him a defeat. A sharp shooter not as old as Morales will give Pac alot of trouble, he has alot of flaws in his style, but non in his heart. The rematch was different, but yes I did mention that.


I did mention good things about Joe, besides *****in' about the slapping. Reread the entire thread and you will see.


Rockin' :boxing:

I actually did mention that Pac runs in like an amatuer and that Morales would hand him a defeat. A sharp shooter not as old as Morales will give Pac alot of trouble, he has alot of flaws in his style, but non in his heart. The rematch was different, but yes I did mention that.





Rockin' :boxing:Excuse me, but Morales is only a year or two older than PAC. Morales isn't even 30 yet or wasn't even 30 when he fought PAC in those 2 fights.

I actually did mention that Pac runs in like an amatuer and that Morales would hand him a defeat. A sharp shooter not as old as Morales will give Pac alot of trouble, he has alot of flaws in his style, but non in his heart. The rematch was different, but yes I did mention that.


I did mention good things about Joe, besides *****in' about the slapping. Reread the entire thread and you will see.


Rockin' :boxing:

Yeah you say a decent thing or two about Joe but cmon-when you win every minute of every round the first thing out of your mouth shouldnt be he slaps alot...he was as dominating as any fighter YOU have ever seen in a BIG FIGHT like this...critisize Lacy for being a bum thats fine but name a big time fight where one fighter absolutely doiminated the other in the fashion in which Joe did...then critisize him for it.

Have some respect for Rockin, who did what most here can only dream about with his pro career. You may not agree with him, but that's no reason to personally attack the guy. It's one thing to debate boxing, but when you start with the personal attacks you're just escalating things to an unneccesary level.

to an earlier poster how does rockin look goofy, he friggin looks like tom hanks the best acter ever, rockin aint that bad looking of a dude ^^

Excuse me, but Morales is only a year or two older than PAC. Morales isn't even 30 yet or wasn't even 30 when he fought PAC in those 2 fights.

I was not comparing Morales' and Pacs age. I was talking about a young fighter who has not been through the wars that Morales has been through.

You could be 25 years old, only have fought maybe 15 or so times, and yet be considered old and damaged goods because of the wars that you had to wage through.

The more I am jumped on for what ever observation or statement that I may make, the more I wonder what the **** most of these people on here even know about boxing. If you watch the fight with Cal/Lacy you will blatantly see the slaps. Yeah he fought a good fight but I would not crown him PFP anything yet. Lacy is a relatively young and inexperienced fighter so far. I mean, look at his resume, who did he beat that made him the man that would then make Cal the man for beating him. He beat nobody of any great significance.

I can appreciate all the brits loving the guy. I mean, how often is it that you guys actually get to brag about now that Lewis is gone. In my opinion, I am being jumped on by these people who have obvious biased opinions, as is common when dealing with fighters from your territorie.

However, I watched the fight completely unbiased. I honestly could not have given a **** about Lacy or Cal, I of course dont want either seriously hurt, but it did not matter to me who won the fight. I just wanted to see some good boxing with some buddies of mine. Calzaghes slaps bothered me so I mentioned it.



To Kid Achilles and Sturm Rules, good lookin' out man, I appreciate it.

Rockin' :boxing:

"Slapping", is not illegal in the pros.

I was not comparing Morales' and Pacs age. I was talking about a young fighter who has not been through the wars that Morales has been through.

You could be 25 years old, only have fought maybe 15 or so times, and yet be considered old and damaged goods because of the wars that you had to wage through.

The more I am jumped on for what ever observation or statement that I may make, the more I wonder what the **** most of these people on here even know about boxing. If you watch the fight with Cal/Lacy you will blatantly see the slaps. Yeah he fought a good fight but I would not crown him PFP anything yet. Lacy is a relatively young and inexperienced fighter so far. I mean, look at his resume, who did he beat that made him the man that would then make Cal the man for beating him. He beat nobody of any great significance.

I can appreciate all the brits loving the guy. I mean, how often is it that you guys actually get to brag about now that Lewis is gone. In my opinion, I am being jumped on by these people who have obvious biased opinions, as is common when dealing with fighters from your territorie.

However, I watched the fight completely unbiased. I honestly could not have given a **** about Lacy or Cal, I of course dont want either seriously hurt, but it did not matter to me who won the fight. I just wanted to see some good boxing with some buddies of mine. Calzaghes slaps bothered me so I mentioned it.



To Kid Achilles and Sturm Rules, good lookin' out man, I appreciate it.

Rockin' :boxing:
if this is'nt having a go at brits nothing is
what a biased bigot

why did they bother u because they were inflicting round after round of punishment on an american

:rolleyes:

If the fight had not been in Wales, I wonder if the ref would have called him on it. There were plenty of oppertunities to call him on it.
since when was manchester in wales ?

how can you slate calzaghes slapping when lacy has hurt so many
fighters by hitting them to the side & back of the head, especially
behind the ear, those are incredibly dangerous shots that do damage

if this is'nt having a go at brits nothing is
what a biased bigot

why did they bother u because they were inflicting round after round of punishment on an american

:rolleyes:


By looking at your previous posts, I can only conclude that you know **** about boxing.

Also,if you read the rest of what I said in the previous post you would see that I clearly stated that I dont honestly give a **** about either fighter. I just wanted to see a good fight.

So in all, you can continue attempting to prove your prowess on the board. From your previous posts I see that you know little about the sport, even less about the game, and little that can enlighten me to anything having to do with boxing. So as you brits like to say PISS OFF *****!!!! The ***** part I added to give it alittle american flare.

Rockin' :boxing:

By looking at your previous posts, I can only conclude that you know **** about boxing.

Also,if you read the rest of what I said in the previous post you would see that I clearly stated that I dont honestly give a **** about either fighter. I just wanted to see a good fight.

So in all, you can continue attempting to prove your prowess on the board. From your previous posts I see that you know little about the sport, even less about the game, and little that can enlighten me to anything having to do with boxing. So as you brits like to say PISS OFF *****!!!! The ***** part I added to give it alittle american flare.

Rockin' :boxing:
so it was'nt a good fight well everyone else thought it was apart from a few american bigots

american flare like this u mean
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c13/oasis_lad/d2e7b1d4.jpg

so it was'nt a good fight well everyone else thought it was apart from a few american bigots

american flare like this u mean
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c13/oasis_lad/d2e7b1d4.jpg


You must be one of the lacking people in the British society. Not only do you lack the class that most of your country displays but you lack basic reading and cognative skills to disect a simple statement. I, no where in my statement, said that it was a bad fight. I just said that I wanted to see a good fight with my buddies. You obviously cannot stand with me on the boxing front so you decide to take it to another. However, your lacking cognative skills leave you wide open for easy counter shots. Kind of like what it would be like to slap a retard. Step off!!!

Rockin' :boxing:

so it was'nt a good fight well everyone else thought it was apart from a few american bigots

american flare like this u mean
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c13/oasis_lad/d2e7b1d4.jpg

He never said it wasnt a good fight only that he watched it not as a fan of either but just looking for a good fight. Also I think that Calz totally whipped him and I also saw the slaps but they didnt bother me as much. However he gave a well thought out opinion on why it bothered him. Then he gets slammed because he spoke something other than praise for Calz, I mean talk about intolerance, how quickly did this debate digress into "your talking out your arse you ugly american"? Seriously, he is giving us the insight of a pro someone who has actually fought, I personally dont agree with him in that those, "slaps" didnt, bother me or detract from my enjoyment of the fight but he may feel differently than I do.

I played football highschool and college so when I look at a game I see things differently than most fans and appreciate the intricacies better than most.

To the other point about an old or young fighter could be seen in Vargas, not alot of fights but when he should be in his physical and boxing prime he is clearly on the down slope after having tremendous battles with Trinidad and ODLH.

You must be one of the lacking people in the British society. Not only do you lack the class that most of your country displays but you lack basic reading and cognative skills to disect a simple statement.

Rockin' :boxing:

Yep.

Too many mutton chops destroy the brain.

The reason that the slaps bother me is that I know, first hand, what that **** feels like. It is not a compounding blow as is a regular, legally thrown shot. But it is a damaging shot when it comes to cuts and swelling, and it does jar your brain a bit.

Take your right hand and put it next to your face. With the heel of your palm, smack it into the side of your face. The **** hurts man. Now, pound it into your face. Thats why the slaps bother me so much. Basic bone, covered with leather and tape, smacking into somebodies face. Its a **** punch.

Rockin' :boxing:

Like i said before, it just seemed like it was maybe sour grapes, but thats just the way it seemed, everyone is entitled to their opinions, an there was certainly no hating in your post, so there was no need for idiots to attack you.

since when was manchester in wales ?

how can you slate calzaghes slapping when lacy has hurt so many
fighters by hitting them to the side & back of the head, especially
behind the ear, those are incredibly dangerous shots that do damagedid yall read my post ?
ya seem to be getting caught up in a flame :D

Have some respect for Rockin, who did what most here can only dream about with his pro career. You may not agree with him, but that's no reason to personally attack the guy. It's one thing to debate boxing, but when you start with the personal attacks you're just escalating things to an unneccesary level.


Personal attacks are gay but just because he fought as a pro does not mean he is not to be questioned...

People lick Icescully's ass and if you question him people jump on and say you cant question him he was a fighter...so what.

I question and debate what I percieve to be stupid statements...nitpicking Joe Calzaghe and calling what he did against Jeff Lacy illegal is just something that I think is ridiculous...and I dont give a **** if Marvin Hagler says it or some 11 year old girl...crap is crap.

scap is scap.a damn legend, thats for sho :p

a damn legend, thats for sho :p


Listen Dugo...


Your ok by me, you god damn ok by me!

****in A.

Dugo Salapi,

That was the first time that I saw Lacy fight, so no I never did see the flagarant fouls that you speak of.

Anyway, who the **** is or was talking about Lacys prior fights. The only fight that I spoke of in this entire thread is the Lacy/Cal fight.

Get something with some substance and then come back and see me.

Rockin' :boxing:

Dugo Salapi,

That was the first time that I saw Lacy fight, so no I never did see the flagarant fouls that you speak of.

Anyway, who the **** is or was talking about Lacys prior fights. The only fight that I spoke of in this entire thread is the Lacy/Cal fight.

Get something with some substance and then come back and see me.

Rockin' :boxing:
"something with some substance"

as in, "my CUTMAN invited me over"

right kid, keep on dreamin'

Dugo Salapi,

That was the first time that I saw Lacy fight, so no I never did see the flagarant fouls that you speak of.

Anyway, who the **** is or was talking about Lacys prior fights. The only fight that I spoke of in this entire thread is the Lacy/Cal fight.

Get something with some substance and then come back and see me.

Rockin' :boxing:
sorry to expose your lack of knowledge...lol jokin obviously.
well my point was its down to the ref to actually implement the
more dubious areas of the boxing rules, like holding & hitting,
slapping, hitting behind the head etc. they didnt against lacy
in his previous fights, didnt for calzaghe in this fight, as they
didnt for ricky hattons fight with kostya tsyzu etc etc etc

I asked Bill Miller about it, if he saw the slaps. He said that he certainly did and then added, when asked why the ref didnt call it he replied, "Well, where was the fight at. Thats all that you need to say about that."

These were not my words but the words of a man who has been in the game for 60 or 70 years and knows straight out how it works.

Rockin' :boxing:

when lacy fights in the usa its no diffferent.
he gets the leeway needed to do his job. but lacy had
ridiculed the slapping like it was of no consequence.
so bring on the slaps is what i say

"something with some substance"

as in, "my CUTMAN invited me over"

right kid, keep on dreamin'




He did invite me over and that is where I watched the fights.

You see sac, I am in no way dreaming. I fought amatuers, fought pro with fights televised in many different countries aswell as nationaly, I am now a referee and judge with the amatuers and will be reffing and judging the pros in a very short time. I passed the Association of Boxing Commisions test and just need to buy my license and Im on. I train fighters etc.

It sounds to me that you are actually dreaming, dreaming that you know what the F your talking about. You can keep on badgering me and thats all cool man. When Im up reffing fights or working my boys corner and such youll still be on here talking like you know whats going on, I will just laugh. It does sound like a dream to you doesnt it. Its like a dream to me, something that I dreamed of doing since I was young. Except this is my life and you are no where to be found in the boxing world, except for maybe in the crowd or something. Nothing against the spectators, they help make our sport. But you.........must be dreaming if you think your garbage bothers me. I have found your words to be worth a good laugh or two. And thats about all that they are worth.

Rockin' :boxing:

Hey sactown,

If your the California boxing connection then you surely must know Jackie Kallen, the woman pictured with me after my first pro fight. Why dont you get in touch with her and ask her who the **** Rockin' is. She will tell you and you will see who is in the dream world. And then when I speak with her I will ask her who the **** you are and what you have to do with boxing. It could be interesting or worth a good laugh to me. Oh yeah, Calzaghe slaps alot.

Rockin' :boxing:

I was not comparing Morales' and Pacs age. I was talking about a young fighter who has not been through the wars that Morales has been through.

You could be 25 years old, only have fought maybe 15 or so times, and yet be considered old and damaged goods because of the wars that you had to wage through.




:Um so you're judging PAC based on his 5 fights in U.S. soil.

Actually PAC has had it rougher throughout his career if you wanna compare "damage" done to both fighters.

Um so you're judging PAC based on his 5 fights in U.S. soil.

Actually PAC has had it rougher throughout his career if you wanna compare "damage" done to both fighters.


Try again pal, Morales has been fighting the best of the best for years and years, and has been in incredible wars. in terms of boxing years Morales is much older than pac. EVERYBODY knows that, except you i guess. maybe you need to watch some of morales's career. the only reason you say pac had it rougher is because he got knocked the **** out twice in the early rounds, Morales never bowed out after taking a single blow, he stood in for the full 12 round beating always, that is until his last fight.

Try again pal, Morales has been fighting the best of the best for years and years, and has been in incredible wars. in terms of boxing years Morales is much older than pac. EVERYBODY knows that, except you i guess. maybe you need to watch some of morales's career. the only reason you say pac had it rougher is because he got knocked the **** out twice in the early rounds, Morales never bowed out after taking a single blow, he stood in for the full 12 round beating always, that is until his last fight.I have watched plenty of "El Pollo's" fights.

How many of PAC's fights have you seen outside of the U.S.
:rolleyes:?

I have watched plenty of "El Pollo's" fights.

How many of PAC's fights have you seen outside of the U.S.
:rolleyes:?


all you have to do is take a look at each fighters opposition to know who has been through more wars. look at the resume of "El Terrible" and tell me who should be the worse for wear. ive seen plenty of pac, im a big fan of his actually, but that doesn't cloud my judgement on this

all you have to do is take a look at each fighters opposition to know who has been through more wars. look at the resume of "El Terrible" and tell me who should be the worse for wear. ive seen plenty of pac, im a big fan of his actually, but that doesn't cloud my judgement on this

Looks like your the one w/ the bias.

Name some fights please?

Uh PAC only got k.o'd ONCE

It really has nothing to do w/ quality of opposition...

A war is a war, a beating is a beating no matter who's involve.

It really has nothing to do w/ quality of opposition...

A war is a war, a beating is a beating no matter who's involve.


you just TOTALLY exposed yourself. Pac was ko'd twice in the third round, and both times failed to beat the 10 count. this is how you tell who has been thru more, Morales used to fight at a higher level, he has lost 3 of 4 and was knocked out for the very first time, he is clearly slipping due to all the wars he has been in. Pac is still on top of his game and may be improving. that tells me that pac has more left in the tank than does morales. please tell me that isn't the logical way to look at it?

Bottom line is Calzaghe beat the living **** out of Lacy in the most one-sided championship fight I've ever seen. It was ****ing impressive any way you look at it, slaps, punches, whatever. Pure beatdown.

The Toney fight was a letdown because Toney did not perform at his best. No excuse, he has an eating disorder and if he's too stupid or to weak to overcome it, then forget him. The heavyweight division needs a savior and I was wrong. Toney is NOT it.