sweetscience.com interviewd lampley and they said he thinks that a well conditioned ready to go rahman is too much for toney. He could be right....

If Rahman goes to the body hes right.

Jim Lampley also thinks Klitcsko and Byrd would beat Toney. He isn't a Toney believer, but he will be after Saturday night. Larry Mechant as well, although he really likes Toney, isn't a believer in Toney at heavyweight YET. Saturday night will remove all doubt.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see how everyone can predict a short, fat, old "Toney by decision". How do they expect him to last long enough to reach a decision? He's got to win by KO or go home...

I'll quote myself from another thread:

I know styles make fights but I still can't get passed the fact that Holyfield was able to handle Rahman. I can't even get passed Ruiz, with as little boxing skills he has, was able to fight Rahman his style of fight.

Toney will likely have his way with Rahman, just as over the hill Holyfield and the clinching Ruiz was able to handle Rahman.

I think Rahman will lose, but because he'll fight the wrong fight. I think he'll try to lean all over Toney because he's the bigger, stronger man, and fight inside where Toney has the advantage. If Rahman stays outside and uses his jab, it could be a very close fight, IMO.

I think rahman is going to be trying to throw that right hand all night long and toney is going to constantly counter it.. all night long, I can't wait for this fight!!

Jim Lampley also thinks Klitcsko and Byrd would beat Toney. He isn't a Toney believer, but he will be after Saturday night. Larry Mechant as well, although he really likes Toney, isn't a believer in Toney at heavyweight YET. Saturday night will remove all doubt.


...A win over Rahman does not remove all doubt at all. Lets see him in the ring with Wlad, Brewster, or even Sultan. Hell, Sultan is a bigger, stronger, better defensive version of Jirov. We all saw what a war that fight was for Toney. If Rahman comes into the ring and looks like he cares, doesn't sleep walk through the fight while bringing his A game, and then Toney still whips him, then I will give Toney credit and I may change my mind about him not proving anything at heavyweight yet. On the other hand, a loss to Rahman will show that he should never have been taken seriously as a heavyweight.

Jim Lampley also thinks Klitcsko and Byrd would beat Toney.

So do I..........

...A win over Rahman does not remove all doubt at all.

There shouldn't be any doubt to begin with. Toney's beaten durable Heavyweights at Heavyweight. End of story.

If he beats Rahman on Saturday night, anyone who say's he's not a Heavyweight is an idiot.

You're another raving Klitschko fanatic who doesn't like Toney because he's a Heavyweight that takes the spotlight away from your heros.

With how ****ty the division is right now, Toney fresh off a win over Rahman is a top 3 Heavyweight without a doubt. Anyone who suggests otherwise is an idiot, or a 40 year old hack who knows nothing about boxing.

im predicting toney UD 12 on rahman.. nice avatar pbds never realized how big vitali was compared to tyson.. still think prime tyson ko's him though :boxing:

There shouldn't be any doubt to begin with. Toney's beaten durable Heavyweights at Heavyweight. End of story.

If he beats Rahman on Saturday night, anyone who say's he's not a Heavyweight is an idiot.

You're another raving Klitschko fanatic who doesn't like Toney because he's a Heavyweight that takes the spotlight away from your heros.

With how ****ty the division is right now, Toney fresh off a win over Rahman is a top 3 Heavyweight without a doubt. Anyone who suggest otherwise is an idiot, or a 40 year old hack who knows nothing about boxing.


...I have always had tons of respect for Toney as a boxer. As a heavyweight he hasn't beaten anyone of note. Holy is so far past it that it seems like he is two different fighters. Guinn was sliding so hard and so mentaly fragile that he was an easy win for Toney. Ruiz??? ha ha ha Like I said, Toney hasn't proven **** at heavyweight. Bozo, I have refrained from the personal attacks for a while, yet you start the **** back up like your looking for a problem. Can you respond to anything posted without getting personal?

im predicting toney UD 12 on rahman.. nice avatar pbds never realized how big vitali was compared to tyson.. still think prime tyson ko's him though :boxing:


...Only if he punches him in the nads and naws on his neck while he is on the canvas. :)

Another smart post. I really get a sense you know what you're talking about.
Sultan isn't even on Rahman's level. But someone who doesn't watch boxing is not aware of that.


...A win over Rahman does not remove all doubt at all. Lets see him in the ring with Wlad, Brewster, or even Sultan. Hell, Sultan is a bigger, stronger, better defensive version of Jirov. We all saw what a war that fight was for Toney. If Rahman comes into the ring and looks like he cares, doesn't sleep walk through the fight while bringing his A game, and then Toney still whips him, then I will give Toney credit and I may change my mind about him not proving anything at heavyweight yet. On the other hand, a loss to Rahman will show that he should never have been taken seriously as a heavyweight.

...I have always had tons of respect for Toney as a boxer. As a heavyweight he hasn't beaten anyone of note. Holy is so far past it that it seems like he is two different fighters. Guinn was sliding so hard and so mentaly fragile that he was an easy win for Toney. Ruiz??? ha ha ha Like I said, Toney hasn't proven **** at heavyweight. Bozo, I have refrained from the personal attacks for a while, yet you start the **** back up like your looking for a problem. Can you respond to anything posted without getting personal?


On the lookout to not get banned hey? Good for you.

I think you're a dick, and you're back to saying stupid ****.

Toney was the undisputed Cruiserwieght champion when he moved up. That immediatly gives a substantial ranking at a new weight class.

Stopping Holyfield speaks for itself, even at his age.

He beat Ruiz on 5 weeks notice with one arm after Ruiz gave trouble to countless fighters.

Booker and Guinn were durable Heavyweights and he dominated both of them with ease.

Do you have any idea how it sounds for you of all people to be talking about someone not having proved anything at Heavyweight? You're the grand daddy of the Vitali nut hugging club. You were ALL OVER his nuts, and he hadn't proved jack ****. It was all based on what you thought he was going to do.

The bottom line is that Toney's a top 5 Heavyweight right now anyway you try and spin it.

A win over Rahman puts him right near the top.

With the current state of the division, that's more than enough proof he's a top Heavyweight at current.

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Originally Posted by vandiar
im predicting toney UD 12 on rahman.. nice avatar pbds never realized how big vitali was compared to tyson.. still think prime tyson ko's him though



...Only if he punches him in the nads and naws on his neck while he is on the canvas.

vitali had good skills but it doesn't compare to the skills a prime tyson had, I think vitali would have been overwhelmed and would possibly be scared to fight tyson.

If Rahman goes to the body hes right.
if rahman goes to the body, all his punches will just bounce off toney's belly, hehe...

Originally Posted by MindanaoRebel
If Rahman goes to the body hes right.

If Rahman goes to the body, he's fighting on the inside. If he's fighting on the inside he gets picked apart.

On the lookout to not get banned hey? Good for you.

I think you're a dick, and you're back to saying stupid ****.

Toney was the undisputed Cruiserwieght champion when he moved up. That immediatly gives a substantial ranking at a new weight class.

Stopping Holyfield speaks for itself, even at his age.

He beat Ruiz on 5 weeks notice with one arm after Ruiz gave trouble to countless fighters.

Booker and Guinn were durable Heavyweights and he dominated both of them with ease.

Do you have any idea how it sounds for you of all people to be talking about someone not having proved anything at Heavyweight? You're the grand daddy of the Vitali nut hugging club. You were ALL OVER his nuts, and he hadn't proved jack ****. It was all based on what you thought he was going to do.

The bottom line is that Toney's a top 5 Heavyweight right now anyway you try and spin it.

A win over Rahman puts him right near the top.

With the current state of the division, that's more than enough proof he's a top Heavyweight at current.


...So does that mean that stopping Holy in five years would have the same effect?? Vitali beating legit heavvies for years and years far outweighs anything Toney has done in the division. Vitali recently beat Sanders(who just destroyed Wlad), Danny Williams(who has done nothing but win since then and is in line for a title shot soon), and Kirk (tons of talent) Johnson. Toney has taken out Booker, Old way past his prime Holy, Ruiz, and Guinn. Get the ****er out of here comparing their resumes at heavy. God I hope your boy gets his dick knocked in the dirt. Your gonna be laughed at so hard. O.K., so what if Toney loses to Rahman. You think the Rock sucks so where will that leave your boy? Say it now so we all know where you will stand.

I think you're a dick, and you're back to saying stupid ****.


Lol I bet he's screaming into those silk pillow cases right now
You said his boyfriend wasn't all he's cracked up to be and Bozo takes the bait every time lol

...So does that mean that stopping Holy in five years would have the same effect?? Vitali beating legit heavvies for years and years far outweighs anything Toney has done in the division. Vitali recently beat Sanders(show just destroyed Wlad), Danny Williams(who has done nothing but win since then and is in line for a title shot soon), and Kirk (tons of talent) Johnson. Toney has taken out Booker, Old way past his prime Holy, Ruiz, and Guinn. Get the ****er out of here comparing their resumes at heavy. God I hope your boy gets his dick knocked in the dirt. Your gonna be laughed at so hard. O.K., so what if Toney loses to Rahman. You think the Rock sucks so where will that leave your boy? Say it now so we all know where you will stand.



This speaks for itself. It's posts like this containing that kind of drivel that show what an ignorant, biased and uninformed idiot you are. You know NOTHING about boxing.

Vitali lost to the only two A class fighters he ever fought. Beating Kirk Johnson means a whole lot. Did you see the guy that beat him last week? :rolleyes: Corrie Sanders was a fringe contender who was old, out of shape and coming of a YEAR of inactivity when Vitali beat him. Danny Williams is the definition of a fringe contender.

Vitali beating legit heavvies for years and years far outweighs anything Toney has done in the division.

This shows beyond a doubt how biased and wounded you are.

Vitali fought stiffs his whole career, and lost to the only two very good fighters he fought.

Suggesting Toney hasn't proved anything at Heavyweight and Vitali has speaks for itself. Utter non sense.

God I hope your boy gets his dick knocked in the dirt. Your gonna be laughed at so hard.

My boy? What are you 12? It's really sad to read your wound up drivel.

You're in your 40s, you know nothing about boxing, yet you're wasting your and everyone's time trying to argue about something like you do.

Toney's a top five Heavyweight right now. Period.

A win tomorow makes him one of the top guys to beat in the division.

All of your spite and ignorant ravings doesn't change that.

Lol I bet he's screaming into those silk pillow cases right now
You said his boyfriend wasn't all he's cracked up to be and Bozo takes the bait every time lol


...I thought he probably would jump on it, but he has been pretty civil lately even when he had certain jagoffs trying to drag him into a fight with me. I was actually expecting a civil response where we talk to each other like adults. Oh well, guess I was wrong.

It's not Jim's fault. Sit next to a man who breathes 200 proof vodka fumes in your direction all night and see how your judgement holds up.

...I thought he probably would jump on it, but he has been pretty civil lately even when he had certain jagoffs trying to drag him into a fight with me. I was actually expecting a civil response where we talk to each other like adults. Oh well, guess I was wrong.


Talk to eachother like Adults? lol

You spend the majority of your time flaming in the Waste-forum until you get yourself BANNED. What was it 3 times in the last few months now?

LOL

That really shows how much of an adult you are.

I haven't said anything to you in a while, because you don't post in this fourm. Bottom line.

I see you're back, and once again you're talking non sense that stems for your wouned Klitschko insecurities, that you can't back up with out exploading into a rant of ignorant nut hugging.

:rolleyes:

This speaks for itself. It's posts like this containing that kind of drivel that show what an ignorant, biased and uninformed idiot you are. You know NOTHING about boxing.

Vitali lost to the only two A class fighters he ever fought. Beating Kirk Johnson means a whole lot. Did you see the guy that beat him last week? :rolleyes: Corrie Sanders was a fringe contender who was old, out of shape and coming of a YEAR of inactivity when Vitali beat him. Danny Williams is the definition of a fringe contender.


This shows beyond a doubt how biased and wounded you are.

Vitali fought stiffs his whole career, and lost to the only two very good fighters he fought.

Suggesting Toney hasn't proved anything at Heavyweight and Vitali has speaks for itself. Utter non sense.


My boy? What are you 12? It's really sad to read your wound up drivel.

You're in your 40s, you know nothing about boxing, yet you're wasting your and everyone's time trying to argue about something like you do.

Toney's a top five Heavyweight right now. Period.

A win tomorow makes him one of the top guys to beat in the division.

All of your spite and ignorant ravings doesn't change that.


...Bozo, your such an emotional guy. Settle down and take a breath. Nobody wants Toney to die or anything. So your saying that Booker, 90 year old Holy, Guinn and Ruiz are better than Johnson, Sanders, Williams, and Lennox??? Um, well O.K. if you say so then. lol lol You never answered my question. What if Toney loses????? Where does that leave you and your Toney ball carressing??

Talk to eachother like Adults? lol

You spend the majority of your time flaming in the Waste-forum until you get yourself BANNED. What was it 3 times in the last few months now?

LOL

That really shows how much of an adult you are.

I haven't said anything to you in a while, because you don't post in this fourm. Bottom line.

I see you're back, and once again you're talking non sense that stems for your wouned Klitschko insecurities, that you can't back up with out exploading into a rant of ignorant nut hugging.

:rolleyes:


...Now, I haven't gotten personal once and that's apparently all you have to back your arguements. My 12 hour bans mean nothing in the grand scheme of things. I have no insecurities about the Klitschko's and have always seen them for exactly what they are. Wlad has issues and the jury is defintiely out on his future. Vitali was the best heavyweight on the planet until his body let him down.He was a respectable champion who brought excitement to the heavies via devastating KO's in his last three fights before he retired.

right at heavyweight, vitali is better than james toney.. doesn't mean hes a better fighter than james just means that so far klit had a better career at heavyweight.. tomorrow will be different if toney wins tomorrow then he is almost up to that level.. but if he defends his belts against credible oposition then there will be no denying his that he is good in the heavyweight division which will solidfy his legacy. I have faith in him, but boxing is boxing anything can happen

...Bozo, your such an emotional guy. Settle down and take a breath. Nobody wants Toney to die or anything. So your saying that Booker, 90 year old Holy, Guinn and Ruiz are better than Johnson, Sanders, Williams, and Lennox??? Um, well O.K. if you say so then. lol lol You never answered my question. What if Toney loses????? Where does that leave you and your Toney ball carressing??


Right back to 10th grade non sense.

No one's getting emotional, that's what you do when you get BANNED.

1st, Vitali LOST to Lewis, so that doesn't prove anything.

2nd, regardless of who you like better in the group of Holyfield Ruiz and Guinn vs Johnson Sanders and Williams,

the point is you're the Granddaddy of Hugging Vitali's balls, and you're talking about someone being unproven at Heavyweight.

Losing to the two best opponents you've faced doesn't prove anything at Heavyweight.

The bottom line is that Toney's a top 5 Heavyweight right now, and the only reason you'd suggest otherwise is because of your Klitschko insecurities.

The only reason you cry about Toney is because it hurts your feelings to see any attention taken from your heros.

At 41, this couldn't be more sad.
:rolleyes:

**Get's my bucket of popcorn and soda.** I like watching pwnings. :D
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...Bozo, your such an emotional guy. Settle down and take a breath. Nobody wants Toney to die or anything. So your saying that Booker, 90 year old Holy, Guinn and Ruiz are better than Johnson, Sanders, Williams, and Lennox??? Um, well O.K. if you say so then. lol lol You never answered my question. What if Toney loses????? Where does that leave you and your Toney ball carressing??

right at heavyweight, vitali is better than james toney.. doesn't mean hes a better fighter than james just means that so far klit had a better career at heavyweight.. tomorrow will be different if toney wins tomorrow then he is almost up to that level.. but if he defends his belts against credible oposition then there will be no denying his that he is good in the heavyweight division which will solidfy his legacy. I have faith in him, but boxing is boxing anything can happen


....Excellent post sir!!!!

...Now, I haven't gotten personal once and that's apparently all you have to back your arguements.


You can call it whatver you want, you spend the majority of your time here flaming with guys half your age in the Thunderdome.

You rarely come in here, and when you do, it's to post non sense.

Remember Mosley drinking? lol

You getting banned shows what a waste of a person you are for you age. Your dramatic "I won't be posting as much" speech was great. You've been on here EVERY DAY since then, and it's almost all usuless non boxing related drivel.

You're a waste to this site and to your own time.

Right back to 10th grade non sense.

No one's getting emotional, that's what you do when you get BANNED.

1st, Vitali LOST to Lewis, so that doesn't prove anything.

2nd, regardless of who you like better in the group of Holyfield Ruiz and Guinn vs Johnson Sanders and Williams,

the point is you're the Granddaddy of Hugging Vitali's balls, and you're talking about someone being unproven at Heavyweight.

Losing to the two best opponents you've faced doesn't prove anything at Heavyweight.

The bottom line is that Toney's a top 5 Heavyweight right now, and the only reason you'd suggest otherwise is because of your Klitschko insecurities.

The only reason you cry about Toney is because it hurts your feelings to see any attention taken from your heros.

At 41, this couldn't be more sad.
:rolleyes:


...So, if your so sure of your boy then answer the question then. I have now asked you three times to tell me where your boy Toney is if the Rock gets him tomorrow. Can you just answer the question and stop fantasizing? You have stated that Rahman basically sucks. So if sitty assed Rahman takes Toney out then that will leave you looking like the fool that you have always been. Now answer the question son.

You can call it whatver you want, you spend the majority of your time here flaming with guys half your age in the Thunderdome.

You rarely come in here, and when you do, it's to post non sense.

Remember Mosley drinking? lol

You getting banned shows what a waste of a person you are for you age. Your dramatic "I won't be posting as much" speech was great. You've been on here EVERY DAY since then, and it's almost all usuless non boxing related drivel.

You're a waste to this site and to your own time.


....WHERE DOES IT LEAVE TONEY IF HE LOSES TO RAHMAN??? DOES RAHMAN STILL SUCK AND IS TONEY STIL THE GREATEST HEAVY SINCE LENNOX??? Do I need to do this in another language???

..4 times and counting and still avoided

i want the Michelin Man Toney to win, I like Rahman but I've been a fan of Toney's for a long long time......

c'mon fatboy!!!!

Bozo let's get it out in the open, do you really think a shot Holyfield, Ruiz, and Guinn are more impressive victories than Sanders, Williams and Johnson?

Toney's most impressive win is a decision over Ruiz, one of the worst title holders in boxing history. If he beats Rahman he will be just neck and neck with where Vitali was when he retired.

And no I will not be very impressed if Toney beats Rahman because he is custom made for Toney. Toney should have no problem parrying that jab and slipping the right hand. Rahman is not the guy to beat Toney. I'd like to see Toney fight Wladimir, Samuel Peter (a fight he'll never take), and perhaps a rising star like a Sultan Ibragimov before I consider him the man at heavyweight. Let's see him just get by Rahman in the condition he's in before we even get that far.

I find it interesting that if Vitali had beaten Ruiz, Guinn, and a shot Holyfield you'd still refuse to give him ANY respect at all. Toney does it and suddenly he's the most dominant force in the division.

...So, if your so sure of your boy then answer the question then. I have now asked you three times to tell me where your boy Toney is if the Rock gets him tomorrow. Can you just answer the question and stop fantasizing? You have stated that Rahman basically sucks. So if sitty assed Rahman takes Toney out then that will leave you looking like the fool that you have always been. Now answer the question son.


This is 10th grade logic, talking about people being people's 'boys'.

It just goes to show what your 41 year old grade school mentality is like.

What happens if Toney loses tomorow?

He falls out of the top 5 where he's currently ranked.

How many times has Rahman lost and where is he now?

Do you have any idea how ranking systems work? No, you don't.

You only know about Nut Hugging your heros (at 41) and talking non sense until you get banned. :rolleyes:

Bozo, have you ever heard of the phrase argumentum ad hominem? I suggest you look it up and then take a good long stare into the nearest mirror.

This is 10th grade logic, talking about people being people's 'boys'.

It just goes to show what your 41 year old grade school mentality is like.

What happens if Toney loses tomorow?

He falls out of the top 5 where he's currently ranked.

How many times has Rahman lost and where is he now?

Do you have any idea how ranking systems work? No, you don't.

You only know about Nut Hugging your heros (at 41) and talking non sense until you get banned. :rolleyes:


Can't you make a single post without insulting people?

This is really appalling, sir.

....WHERE DOES IT LEAVE TONEY IF HE LOSES TO RAHMAN??? DOES RAHMAN STILL SUCK AND IS TONEY STIL THE GREATEST HEAVY SINCE LENNOX??? Do I need to do this in another language???

..4 times and counting and still avoided


What a ****ing old fool you are.

Ignore all the talk about what your actions are like for your age, your lack of understanding and interest that this site is about, and back to acting like one question sums what you've been trying to say all along.

What happned to Wlad when Sanders beat him into your nightmares?

Guys lose fights, and rankings are adjusted as such.

How difficult is that to understand?

Maybe go and phone your brother for some insider info. :rolleyes:

This is 10th grade logic, talking about people being people's 'boys'.

It just goes to show what your 41 year old grade school mentality is like.

What happens if Toney loses tomorow?

He falls out of the top 5 where he's currently ranked.

How many times has Rahman lost and where is he now?

Do you have any idea how ranking systems work? No, you don't.

You only know about Nut Hugging your heros (at 41) and talking non sense until you get banned. :rolleyes:


...So that's it???? He falls out of the top five? But Rahman sucks according to you and Toney is the man. How could the greatest heavyweight out there lose to a chump like the Rock??? If the Rock is sooooooooooooooooooo bad and Toney soooooooooooooooooo good then he couldn't possibly lose to him according to your logic. IfToney loses then his fat ass is done and the heavyweight "experiment" was a failure and he neve belonged. ha ha ha

to clarify I do not think that vitali is a better fighter than toney, but as it stands right now vitali was a better HEAVYWEIGHT than toney is.. if rahman beats toney tomorrow that should conlude that vitali is better than toney in the HEAVYWEIGHT division. Overall, james toney had a better career than klit had and is greater IMO, doesn't mean he is a better HEAVYWEIGHT than klit just a better overall fighter/career.

...So that's it???? He falls out of the top five? But Rahman sucks according to you and Toney is the man. How could the greatest heavyweight out there lose to a chump like the Rock??? If the Rock is sooooooooooooooooooo bad and Toney soooooooooooooooooo good then he couldn't possibly lose to him according to your logic. IfToney loses then his fat ass is done and the heavyweight "experiment" was a failure and he neve belonged. ha ha ha

At this age I agree, but losing one fight in the past however many years is not a big deal. Fighters lose fights, its inevitable, the man is still a LOCK for the HOF.

Bozo, have you ever heard of the phrase argumentum ad hominem? I suggest you look it up and then take a good long stare into the nearest mirror.

This is a great point. Bozo likes to point out logical flaws here and there, but fails to notice that most of his posts are outright flawed on the grounds that you've mentioned.

Bozo let's get it out in the open, do you really think a shot Holyfield, Ruiz, and Guinn are more impressive victories than Sanders, Williams and Johnson?

Toney's most impressive win is a decision over Ruiz, one of the worst title holders in boxing history. If he beats Rahman he will be just neck and neck with where Vitali was when he retired.

And no I will not be very impressed if Toney beats Rahman because he is custom made for Toney. Toney should have no problem parrying that jab and slipping the right hand. Rahman is not the guy to beat Toney. I'd like to see Toney fight Wladimir, Samuel Peter (a fight he'll never take), and perhaps a rising star like a Sultan Ibragimov before I consider him the man at heavyweight. Let's see him just get by Rahman in the condition he's in before we even get that far.

I find it interesting that if Vitali had beaten Ruiz, Guinn, and a shot Holyfield you'd still refuse to give him ANY respect at all. Toney does it and suddenly he's the most dominant force in the division.



Yes, lets get it straight. Because nowhere did I say I was looking to compare the two resumes as of recent directly, because with Vitali's retirement it's futlie.

But a win over Ruiz and a stoppage victory over Holyfield a few years ago is just about as if not more impressive than anything Vitali ever did.

You do realize Kirk Johnson LOST to Ruiz don't you? :rolleyes:

You nut huggers are all the same. You want to twist Corrie Sanders and Danny Williams into He-men.

They were ****ty fringe contenders.

The bottom line is that the old man was crying about Toney not having accomplished anything at Heavyweight, when he was riding shot gun on the Vitali Klitschko wagon.

That's irony in itself.

What a ****ing old fool you are.

Ignore all the talk about what your actions are like for your age, your lack of understanding and interest that this site is about, and back to acting like one question sums what you've been trying to say all along.

What happned to Wlad when Sanders beat him into your nightmares?

Guys lose fights, and rankings are adjusted as such.

How difficult is that to understand?

Maybe go and phone your brother for some insider info. :rolleyes:


...Now here your really rambling and nearly incoherant pal. Take a breath!!!! What do my actions or words about anything haveto do with the conversation about Toney. You are trying to change the subject because your on the ropes in your attempt to prop Toneyup as the greatest Heavy out there. You got **** to back that logic and you still won't have **** if he beats Rahman as expected. However, if he loses, then you were completely full of it from day one, and your boy was never legit at heavyweight.

...So that's it???? He falls out of the top five? But Rahman sucks according to you and Toney is the man. How could the greatest heavyweight out there lose to a chump like the Rock??? If the Rock is sooooooooooooooooooo bad and Toney soooooooooooooooooo good then he couldn't possibly lose to him according to your logic. IfToney loses then his fat ass is done and the heavyweight "experiment" was a failure and he neve belonged. ha ha ha


Do yourself a favor.

Read your post right here that I've quoted.

And then look at this:

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Now just think about it for a minute and remember this is a boxing website.

Yes, lets get it straight. Because nowhere did I say I was looking to compare the two resumes as of recent directly, because with Vitali's retirement it's futlie.

But a win over Ruiz and a stoppage victory over Holyfield a few years ago is just about as if not more impressive than anything Vitali ever did.

You do realize Kirk Johnson LOST to Ruiz don't you? :rolleyes:

You nut huggers are all the same. You want to twist Corrie Sanders and Danny Williams into He-men.

They were ****ty fringe contenders.

The bottom line is that the old man was crying about Toney not having accomplished anything at Heavyweight, when he was riding shot gun on the Vitali Klitschko wagon.

That's irony in itself.

I could not agree more. The fact of the matter is, Toney's victories at HW are more impressive than Vitali's by far. Its only the blind nuthuggers that try to blow up fringe guys like Sanders and Williams into better fighters than they are.

This is a great point. Bozo likes to point out logical flaws here and there, but fails to notice that most of his posts are outright flawed on the grounds that you've mentioned.


Coming from multi account boy, that sure means a lot.

Achillies is just mad he was made to look a fool when he was hating on Toney's personality and trying to justify Mike Tyson's past actions.

At this age I agree, but losing one fight in the past however many years is not a big deal. Fighters lose fights, its inevitable, the man is still a LOCK for the HOF.


..Of course he is, and he is also one of the greatest and most skilled fighters to ever step into a ring. That still doesn't mean he was destined to be a great heavy.

..Of course he is, and he is also one of the greatest and most skilled fighters to ever step into a ring. That still doesn't mean he was destined to be a great heavy.


Where did "great" Heavy ever come into play?

You were questioning his tenure at Heavyweight period.

Nothing you can cry or rant about changes the fact he's top 5 right now deservingly, and will be near or at the top should he win tomorow.

There's no questioning his tenure at Heavyweight. He's deservingly ranked among the top fighters right now.

Rahman must win!!!! Please win Rahman!!!!

I could not agree more. The fact of the matter is, Toney's victories at HW are more impressive than Vitali's by far. Its only the blind nuthuggers that try to blow up fringe guys like Sanders and Williams into better fighters than they are.


...Yes, Guinn was a world beater and Ridell was a beast. Ridell who?? who?? Holy doesn't even throw punches anymore for christ sake. A motivated Rahman will be Toneys big test. Lets just see if the Rock lives up to his end and comes ready to fight.

to clarify I do not think that vitali is a better fighter than toney, but as it stands right now vitali was a better HEAVYWEIGHT than toney is.. if rahman beats toney tomorrow that should conlude that vitali is better than toney in the HEAVYWEIGHT division. Overall, james toney had a better career than klit had and is greater IMO, doesn't mean he is a better HEAVYWEIGHT than klit just a better overall fighter/career.


...In clarifying it's still great post and your still dead on.

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Do yourself a favor.

Read your post right here that I've quoted.

And then look at this:

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Now just think about it for a minute and remember this is a boxing website.

Coming from multi account...

i created another account NOT to get attacked every time i post;

it is really annoying to post something and then hear all the insults, racist accusations, and cursing just because you support Russian boxers.

alas it did not help for too long

Vitali Klitschko retired with Kirk Johnson, Corrie Sanders, and Danny Williams as his biggest career wins.

Toney could be fighting for another year or two, and easilly has the opportunity to out do that.

That's NOTHING in the big picture.

i created another account NOT to get attacked every time i post;

it is really annoying to post something and then hear all the insults, racist accusations, and cursing just because you support Russian boxers.

alas it did not help for too long


Because you continued to spam and post utter non sense out of it.

It's all you do.

Where did "great" Heavy ever come into play?

You were questioning his tenure at Heavyweight period.

Nothing you can cry or rant about changes the fact he's top 5 right now deservingly, and will be near or at the top should he win tomorow.

There's no questioning his tenure at Heavyweight. He's deservingly ranked among the top fighters right now.



...You think Toney is the best right now so don't even try to make us think otherwise. Who in your opinion could beat Toney right now and why would they beat him?? Now this post above was better Bozo. You didn't try and change the topic once with inane babbling. Oh wait, I missed the crying and ranting part.

Vitali Klitschko retired with Kirk Johnson, Corrie Sanders, and Danny Williams as his biggest career wins.

Toney could be fighting for another year or two, and easilly has the opportunity to out do that.

That's NOTHING in the big picture.


One day, Vitaliy-Lewis fight will be a legendary fight on HBO. Sometimes losses cam become great victories, Bozo.

Because you continued to spam and post utter non sense out of it.

It's all you do.

However you dislike me, you know that this is not true.

I could not agree more. The fact of the matter is, Toney's victories at HW are more impressive than Vitali's by far. Its only the blind nuthuggers that try to blow up fringe guys like Sanders and Williams into better fighters than they are.

how can a man that has yet to really prove himself to be a better HEAVYWEIGHT than a man that was at the heavyweight division for his whole career? IMO beating a washed up holyfield, booker, ruiz, and guinn doesn't amount to what klit did at heavyweight. I really respect Toney alot, I think he is a great figher and one of my favorites, but if he loses tomorrow night I think it should end the toney better than klit at heavyweight discussion.

....Bozo, who could beat Toney now and why?? Where do you rank him exactly and where do you rank the lowly Rahman. I'm guessing you got Toney at 1 and possibly even 2. You gotta have Rahman at like 12-15 considering you thought that Vitali fighting him was a joke and a mockery.

...You think Toney is the best right now so don't even try to make us think otherwise. Who in your opinion could beat Toney right now and why would they beat him?? Now this post above was better Bozo. You didn't try and change the topic once with inane babbling. Oh wait, I missed the crying and ranting part.


Yea you chose not to reply to the posts that pointed out what you're about and how you act.

Toney is top 5 right now, as a case can be made for Brewster and Byrd to be the top spot.

Unlike you, I think about rankings in regard to the factors that one is supposed to consider. Not that you'd know what they are.

Your whole "You think Toney" this and that just shows how YOU think about your heros, and you displace your utter non sense on to others.

Everything I've said is in regards to a realistic view into the present rankings.

This is afterall, a boxing site.

Not a 41 year old insult-till-you-get-banned site. :rolleyes:

One day, Vitaliy-Lewis fight will be a legendary fight on HBO. Sometimes losses cam become great victories, Bozo.


lol, he LOST. Get over it.

Outside of that loss, his biggest career wins are a joke in the big picture.

Stop crying.

A Rahman win would be the greatest present boxing could give it's fans at this time. Toney was and is a great fighter and there's a place with his name on it in the IBHOF but at his age and physical condition he has no business in the heavyweight division. All that talk about this being Toney's natural bodyweight is just so much bull**** coming from a guy who's trying to make excuses for a lack of discipline.

Toney *****es, talks trash, and makes excuses because he has the maturity level of some punk still in junior high. What he really needs is a good beating to teach him some humility.

how can a man that has yet to really prove himself to be a better HEAVYWEIGHT than a man that was at the heavyweight division for his whole career? IMO beating a washed up holyfield, booker, ruiz, and guinn doesn't amount to what klit did at heavyweight. I really respect Toney alot, I think he is a great figher and one of my favorites, but if he loses tomorrow night I think it should end the toney better than klit at heavyweight discussion.


.....Who is this logical kid???? Careful, your gonna be labeled as a Klit nuthugger for stating an objective opinion and your about to get attacked for your views. :)

A Rahman win would be the greatest present boxing could give it's fans at this time. Toney was and is a great fighter and there's a place with his name on it in the IBHOF but at his age and physical condition he has no business in the heavyweight division. All that talk about this being Toney's natural bodyweight is just so much bull**** coming from a guy who's trying to make excuses for a lack of discipline.

Toney *****es, talks trash, and makes excuses because he has the maturity level of some punk still in junior high. What he really needs is a good beating to teach him some humility.


...I didn't really have a vested interest in this fight, but the Toney band waggon nut carresers are making me really want to see the Rock step up.

....Bozo, who could beat Toney now and why?? Where do you rank him exactly and where do you rank the lowly Rahman. I'm guessing you got Toney at 1 and possibly even 2. You gotta have Rahman at like 12-15 considering you thought that Vitali fighting him was a joke and a mockery.


I have no interest in wasting my time spelling out my in depth thoughts to someone who couldn't even begin to have a realistic conversation about the subject matter.

Toney's top 5 right now, and a win moves him up to the point where he could be considered at the top depending on what you think of the other title holders.

Until someone unifies, the top spot is vacent, and the top 2 or 3 are all subjective.

None of this really matters in regards to what you think, because you've proven over and over agian your interst and knowledge run hand in hand along the gutter.

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how can a man that has yet to really prove himself to be a better HEAVYWEIGHT than a man that was at the heavyweight division for his whole career? IMO beating a washed up holyfield, booker, ruiz, and guinn doesn't amount to what klit did at heavyweight. I really respect Toney alot, I think he is a great figher and one of my favorites, but if he loses tomorrow night I think it should end the toney better than klit at heavyweight discussion.



.....Who is this logical kid???? Careful, your gonna be labeled as a Klit nuthugger for stating an objective opinion and your about to get attacked for your views.

hehe someone new to posting on these forums, I read these forums just about every day though. Im really excited to see this fight, I haven't been this excited about a heavyweight fight since wlad klit/peters.. it should be an interesting fight and a test for toney, and no I am not a klit nuthugger just someone posting my opinion like you said.. to clarify to all the others

A Rahman win would be the greatest present boxing could give it's fans at this time. Toney was and is a great fighter and there's a place with his name on it in the IBHOF but at his age and physical condition he has no business in the heavyweight division. All that talk about this being Toney's natural bodyweight is just so much bull**** coming from a guy who's trying to make excuses for a lack of discipline.

Toney *****es, talks trash, and makes excuses because he has the maturity level of some punk still in junior high. What he really needs is a good beating to teach him some humility.


We've already established how weak and spite driven your opinion is here.

Toney's physical appearence has NOTHING to do with his conditioning. At a career high 235 lbs he threw over 80 punches a round in his last fight.

You'd be hard pressed to fight a Heavyweight with that activity level.

You call him disgusting because of his shape, yet in the ring he showed every reason why he's one of the most active fighters around right now.

What disgusts me is watching Sam Peter huff and puff after the 5th round unable to put together a combo.

Toney thowing 100 shots per round in rounds 9 - 12 is everything that's missing at Heavyweight right now.

That show right there how much what you think means. :rolleyes:

I have no interest in wasting my time spelling out my in depth thoughts to someone who couldn't even begin to have a realistic conversation about the subject matter.

Toney's top 5 right now, and a win moves him up to the point where he could be considered at the top depending on what you think of the other title holders.

Until someone unifies, the top spot is vacent, and the top 2 or 3 are all subjective.

None of this really matters in regards to what you think, because you've proven over and over agian your interst and knowledge run hand in hand along the gutter.


...Alright skippy, I'm off to bed while you spin and avoid the issue. Hopefully you won't spend your entire night on here arguing your inane points and you will be fresh as a daisy for the fight tomorrow night. I just can't wait to see your comments if Rahman finds a way to beat Toney. So until tomorrow, good night honey!!

toney's weight doesn't bother me that much so long as he performs the best he can. Toney was born to fight, until I see some sign of his physical conditioning making him a worse fighter in the heavyweight division, I can't assume that it really matters..

...Alright skippy, I'm off to bed while you spin and avoid the issue. Hopefully you won't spend your entire night on here arguing your inane points and you will be fresh as a daisy for the fight tomorrow night. I just can't wait to see your comments if Rahman finds a way to beat Toney. So until tomorrow, good night honey!!

Good night. Let us know if you dream that Vitali actually had the balls to fight Rahman and how long it took Hasim to make him quit.

I could not agree more. The fact of the matter is, Toney's victories at HW are more impressive than Vitali's by far. Its only the blind nuthuggers that try to blow up fringe guys like Sanders and Williams into better fighters than they are.

So, you're saying that Guinn is a better fighter than Williams or Johnson? Is Booker also a better fighter than Williams or Johnson? Guinn is basically a good fighter that had high hopes in the beginning, but it seems he's weak mentally, and he completely took himself out of the Toney fight. So, you don't thin that Sanders could have beaten Booker? What about Johnson?
Now I admit, I would be a fool to even consider comparing VK's career to Toney's, but come on, I'm a huge Holy fan but what power he had is pretty much gone, and he hasn't done serious road work in preparation for a fight in some time, there was no way he was going to last against someone as slick as Toney. I'm not saying that Toney won't succeed at heavy, but calling him the man at heavy because of his accomplishments at the lower weights is a little unfair IMO. I have no doubt whatsoever that Toney is going to the HOF and he deserves it, but some of the things that are being said about him are a little premature in my eyes.

if Rahman finds a way to beat Toney.

now that's a big if.

Vitali Klitschko retired with Kirk Johnson, Corrie Sanders, and Danny Williams as his biggest career wins.

Toney could be fighting for another year or two, and easilly has the opportunity to out do that.

That's NOTHING in the big picture.

Wait a minute, that sounds familiar.

Could it be that you're calling Toney the man at heavy based on....

what he may do in the future?

Hmmm, interesting.

Lampley is an HBO employee and it is far more desirable for HBO, who always want the broadcast rights to the heavyweight champion, to have Rahman as champion.

Rahman is strong, can hit and box a little while is a good talker and is younger than Toney and has more to prove than Toney.

The title on Rahman is a much more interesting proposition for world boxing in general.

Of course, Lampley is play by play, but he's employed by HBO, thus a vocal aspect of their organization transmitted to the masses.

Look at how he shat on Showtime's Calzaghe-Lacy result the other week. If he was a professional in his own right and not tied to HBO, and appreciative of the needs of boxing fans I don't think he woul dhave leaked one of the biggest boxing results we'll see this year.

I'm picking Rock to ko him tomorrow night but if he can't get the job done than Wlad and if Byrd isn't slipping as badly as I think he is they both would beat him.

...Alright skippy, I'm off to bed while you spin and avoid the issue. Hopefully you won't spend your entire night on here arguing your inane points and you will be fresh as a daisy for the fight tomorrow night. I just can't wait to see your comments if Rahman finds a way to beat Toney. So until tomorrow, good night honey!!


Wow is that ironic coming from a 41 year old man who spends more time talking non related non sense to the point where he gets banned. :rolleyes:

You make a complete ass of yourself everytime you post in this forum.

You don't know anything about boxing, and everytime you try and 'debate' something, you just end up yelling like a kid in Junior High about immature non sense.

Stick to the thundedome gramps.

Leave the boxing talk to people who actually like the sport.

idk, in my opinion it will be a VERY close fight....i can't see either one of them losing.

Another smart post. I really get a sense you know what you're talking about.
Sultan isn't even on Rahman's level. But someone who doesn't watch boxing is not aware of that.
ye ye son, ***** for shizxzle ma dizzle...

On the lookout to not get banned hey? Good for you.

I think you're a dick, and you're back to saying stupid ****.

Toney was the undisputed Cruiserwieght champion when he moved up. That immediatly gives a substantial ranking at a new weight class.

Stopping Holyfield speaks for itself, even at his age.

He beat Ruiz on 5 weeks notice with one arm after Ruiz gave trouble to countless fighters.

Booker and Guinn were durable Heavyweights and he dominated both of them with ease.

Do you have any idea how it sounds for you of all people to be talking about someone not having proved anything at Heavyweight? You're the grand daddy of the Vitali nut hugging club. You were ALL OVER his nuts, and he hadn't proved jack ****. It was all based on what you thought he was going to do.

The bottom line is that Toney's a top 5 Heavyweight right now anyway you try and spin it.

A win over Rahman puts him right near the top.

With the current state of the division, that's more than enough proof he's a top Heavyweight at current.
damn the dude didint say anything to u, why u attacking him like that, ur in love wit toney, stop calling people klitschko nuthuggers that pisses people off....

damn the dude didint say anything to u, why u attacking him like that, ur in love wit toney, stop calling people klitschko nuthuggers that pisses people off....

That's his response to anyone who doesn't agree with him,
they're always bitter little girls or Klit nuthuggers lol
and don't say anything about Toney or you'll be extra bitter lol

This speaks for itself. It's posts like this containing that kind of drivel that show what an ignorant, biased and uninformed idiot you are. You know NOTHING about boxing.

Vitali lost to the only two A class fighters he ever fought. Beating Kirk Johnson means a whole lot. Did you see the guy that beat him last week? :rolleyes: Corrie Sanders was a fringe contender who was old, out of shape and coming of a YEAR of inactivity when Vitali beat him. Danny Williams is the definition of a fringe contender.


This shows beyond a doubt how biased and wounded you are.

Vitali fought stiffs his whole career, and lost to the only two very good fighters he fought.

Suggesting Toney hasn't proved anything at Heavyweight and Vitali has speaks for itself. Utter non sense.


My boy? What are you 12? It's really sad to read your wound up drivel.

You're in your 40s, you know nothing about boxing, yet you're wasting your and everyone's time trying to argue about something like you do.

Toney's a top five Heavyweight right now. Period.

A win tomorow makes him one of the top guys to beat in the division.

All of your spite and ignorant ravings doesn't change that.
i gotta agree w/ bozo's assement of toney, and vitali's resume doesn't impress me. nor did his mr roboto fighting style

Plodder Rahman is made to order for never been knocked out Toney. This will be a boxing clinic.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see how everyone can predict a short, fat, old "Toney by decision". How do they expect him to last long enough to reach a decision? He's got to win by KO or go home...

you obviously don't know much about James Toney..