View Full Version : Give Arturo A Break Mr. Reno...
Italian250 01-26-2005, 04:31 PM I see the angle you're coming from as I have heard it on here before. "Gatti is exciting, he's a warrior, huge heart..but he'll never win against the best". Yeah, this isn't new news. It's most people's opinion. Just not mine. And yes, I am biased cuz we're both Wops but that's not all. Gatti CAN win the big one. Heart sometimes may be enough! And Gatti has more of that than Mayweather will ever have. Mayweather, as great as he is...will ALWAYS be a thug with low character. And as far as Gatti's achievements, he is always sold short on what he has accomplished. Winning 2 titles is not something EVERYONE does!And lastly, contrary to what you or anyone else says, Gatti will not melt the first time Tszyu or Mayweather lays a glove on him!
Floydmayweather 01-26-2005, 04:36 PM Mayweather will make quick work of Gatti he will hit him at will and then run. By round 6 or 7 Gatti will be in trouble. And Gatti is not known for being some gentlemen outside the ring either. PBF is the man peace. :)
tracylee 01-26-2005, 04:39 PM I adore Gatti, but I just dont see him being able to land much against Floyd..he's simply too fast and dodgy. As for Tszyu, I dont even want him in the ring with that man! Gatti tends to go toe to toe when the situation calls for it, and doing that with Tszyu will only be bad news for Gatti. I'm not putting him down at all, he is my favorite fighter today, I just know he has limitations and I know what they are..He has improved some with McGirt in his corner, but not enough to fight a mover like Floyd and a hugh power puncher like Tszyu! The money may be good, but Gatti makes plenty of that using his own name as the draw, which speaks volumes about him as it is.
Sir_Jose 01-26-2005, 04:41 PM I see the angle you're coming from as I have heard it on here before. "Gatti is exciting, he's a warrior, huge heart..but he'll never win against the best". Yeah, this isn't new news. It's most people's opinion. Just not mine. And yes, I am biased cuz we're both Wops but that's not all. Gatti CAN win the big one. Heart sometimes may be enough! And Gatti has more of that than Mayweather will ever have. Mayweather, as great as he is...will ALWAYS be a thug with low character. And as far as Gatti's achievements, he is always sold short on what he has accomplished. Winning 2 titles is not something EVERYONE does!And lastly, contrary to what you or anyone else says, Gatti will not melt the first time Tszyu or Mayweather lays a glove on him!
Gatti is what he is.
Im sorry but he would be hurt badly by Floyd or Tszyu. It would be like watching Vinny Paz fight Roy Jones again. Its just a brutal masmatch in terms of talent.
Hell Gatti has been beaten by guys like Manfredy, Ivan Robinson and had life and death struggles with 3rd rate fighters like Joe Hutchinson, Branco and Wilson Rodriguez.
Yes he has won two "World Titles", but lets be real here. He is not the Champion at 140 and he was shamelessy protected at 130. His people know have manuevered him right though out his entire career.
Just look at all the great guys that were fighting at 130-135 when Gatti was there. Guys like Shane Mosley, Genaro Hernandez and Stevie Johnston all top 10-15 p4p guys and his people didn't want to have anything to with them.
Now that he is up at 140 his people are pulling the same stuff. They didn't want a fight with Tszyu and they ran from Floyd.
His people are not stupid they know they would be throwing there meal ticket away if they let him fight a guy like that. Please dont bring up him fighting DLH. That was a win-win situation for him and his people he gets paid a ton of money and everyone knows who DLH is so there when he lost his reputation would not be hurt.
Kimmy 01-26-2005, 04:47 PM I wish Gatti was facing Tsyzu instead of mayweather. Mayweather is perfectly matched to whip Gatti. If Tsyzu was the opponent i`d favour Tsyzu but give Gatti a chance. Because of the KO of Mitchell people ( especially young fans who aren`t as old as Tsyzu`s career ) seem to regard him as so great. i remember him being floored very heavy early in his career, also KO`ed by Philips. He also is 35 yrs old and he has had only 3 rd of boxing in over 2 yrs. If Gatti is gona pull off an upset, this is the fight to do it, not Mayweather!
Sir_Jose 01-26-2005, 04:50 PM I wish Gatti was facing Tsyzu instead of mayweather. Mayweather is perfectly matched to whip Gatti. If Tsyzu was the opponent i`d favour Tsyzu but give Gatti a chance. Because of the KO of Mitchell people ( especially young fans who aren`t as old as Tsyzu`s career ) seem to regard him as so great. i remember him being floored very heavy early in his career, also KO`ed by Philips. He also is 35 yrs old and he has had only 3 rd of boxing in over 2 yrs. If Gatti is gona pull off an upset, this is the fight to do it, not Mayweather!
Tszyu suffered two flash knockdown against Hurtado. The fight with Phillips was due more to Tszyu punching himself out more than anything.
Tszyu is an all time great. One of the 3-4 best ever to fight at 140. He's ruled that division for a decade and has cleaned it out.
Kimmy 01-26-2005, 04:59 PM I`m not dening this, but Gatti's style would be better suited against Tsyzu than mayweather!
Sir_Jose 01-26-2005, 05:08 PM I`m not dening this, but Gatti's style would be better suited against Tsyzu than mayweather!
I disagre.
If I was a Gatti fan I would rather him fight Floyd than Tszyu. Gatti is there to be hit and would you rather him take puches from Floyd or Tszyu?
Floyd would outclass him and probably win on points, Tszyu might murder him.
Warrior Spirit 01-26-2005, 05:08 PM I love Gatti but like Italian250 and Rick Reeno said he will never beat the best out there.And yes any educated boxing fan knows this. We should appreciate Arturo Gatti for what he is...
A limited brawler/boxer with the heart and determination of a champion.
Rick Reeno 01-26-2005, 05:30 PM Gatti's best fights are against journeymen, Robinson and Ward. Name one A class level fighter that Gatti beat (Not Dorin who was way too small). Actually, name one A classs level fighter that Gatti even fought. Gatti has been stunned or hurt in just about every fight that went past three rounds. Stunned by guys that did not hit as hard as Tszyu or Mayweather. Mayweather and Tszyu fight the top opponents in their class over and over. Please refer to the Jay Larkin letter sent to BoxingScene about how Gatti ducked Tszyu, he has ducked Mayweather for years. Mayweather has been his mandatory since May of 04 and he has fought Dorin (coming from semi-retirement and now Leija (way past his prime). The only A class fighter Gatti fought was De La Hoya and he was almost stopped in one round.
bigdlb12 01-26-2005, 05:33 PM Gatti's best fights are against journeymen, Robinson and Ward. Name one A class level fighter that Gatti beat (Not Dorin who was way too small). Actually, name one A classs level fighter that Gatti even fought. Gatti has been stunned or hurt in just about every fight that went past three rounds. Stunned by guys that did not hit as hard as Tszyu or Mayweather. Mayweather and Tszyu fight the top opponents in their class over and over. Please refer to the Jay Larkin letter sent to BoxingScene about how Gatti ducked Tszyu, he has ducked Mayweather for years. Mayweather has been his mandatory since May of 04 and he has fought Dorin (coming from semi-retirement and now Leija (way past his prime). The only A class fighter Gatti fought was De La Hoya and he was almost stopped in one round.
this is the same point I was trying to get across the other day, Gatti will never be a top 10 fighter but he was alway fun to watch
tracylee 01-26-2005, 05:33 PM I disagre.
If I was a Gatti fan I would rather him fight Floyd than Tszyu. Gatti is there to be hit and would you rather him take puches from Floyd or Tszyu?
Floyd would outclass him and probably win on points, Tszyu might murder him.
That was my point too, more or less. I dont think he'd be able to land much against either, but I sure dont want him in the ring with Tszyu, eating those power punches hes famous for! He's the type that he would not back down (not if he's breathing) and he'd probably get seriously hurt. Alot of people underestimate just how much power Tszyu possesses, I dont. I love Gatti WAY too much to see him get hurt against Kostya!
bigdlb12 01-26-2005, 05:39 PM had gatti stayed at 130, it would have been great to see him face, frietas,chico,casamayor,morales/barrera is they ever make it up to 130
tracylee 01-26-2005, 05:44 PM had gatti stayed at 130, it would have been great to see him face, frietas,chico,casamayor,morales/barrera is they ever make it up to 130
Hmmmm, some interesting matchups, for sure! After watching Freitas against Corrales ,I would give Gatti a chance against him I suppose. Wow, the thought of him in against Casamayor, Morales and/or Barrera is too much to imagine...amazing fights!
All of them tend to go toe to toe when the situation calls for it! :eek:
bigdlb12 01-26-2005, 06:15 PM Hmmmm, some interesting matchups, for sure! After watching Freitas against Corrales ,I would give Gatti a chance against him I suppose. Wow, the thought of him in against Casamayor, Morales and/or Barrera is too much to imagine...amazing fights!
All of them tend to go toe to toe when the situation calls for it! :eek:hey Tracy how have you been?
yeah true but Gatti cant be in there with Kostya nor PBF
tracylee 01-26-2005, 06:20 PM hey Tracy how have you been?
yeah true but Gatti cant be in there with Kostya nor PBF
I'm good, how bout you big? Long time, no hear...that new position at your job working well for you? :)
bigdlb12 01-26-2005, 06:28 PM I'm good, how bout you big? Long time, no hear...that new position at your job working well for you? :)
yeah I am loving it, you remember?
cool! Can wait till this weekend, gatti vs Leija
tracylee 01-26-2005, 06:31 PM yeah I am loving it, you remember?
cool! Can wait till this weekend, gatti vs Leija
Sure, I remember! I even remember where (or who) you work for ;) and I'm still waiting on a 'buddy' deduction from my monthly bill! :p Glad youre liking the new position. Oh yes, this weekend is my type of stuff...GATTI, GATTI, GATTI...oh yeah! Love it, cant hardly wait! After this fight, I'll have quite a few of my man taped too :D
bigdlb12 01-26-2005, 06:42 PM Sure, I remember! I even remember where (or who) you work for ;) and I'm still waiting on a 'buddy' deduction from my monthly bill! :p Glad youre liking the new position. Oh yes, this weekend is my type of stuff...GATTI, GATTI, GATTI...oh yeah! Love it, cant hardly wait! After this fight, I'll have quite a few of my man taped too :D
have you called for any promos?
Yeah Gatti vs Leija should be good, I picked Leija over Bojado, but on this fight I say Gatti :cool:
bigdlb12 01-26-2005, 06:43 PM I didnt know Leija fights for DLH
http://www.goldenboypromotions.com/fighters/fighters_index.htm
tracylee 01-26-2005, 06:47 PM have you called for any promos?
Yeah Gatti vs Leija should be good, I picked Leija over Bojado, but on this fight I say Gatti :cool:
No, no, I just pay my bill like everyone else and be thankful that I have all the boxing channels (except for telefutra and telemundo, damn it!!!). I still dont think bojado should have let himself get beat by Leija; dont know what his problem was, but he's much better than he showed that night! Gatti is however, another kettle of fish alltogether. Should be an exciting fight for sure, and Gatti better not lose to him..I'll just die! :(
SweetScience 01-26-2005, 06:58 PM What's sad, Gatti might just get into the Hall of Fame.
tracylee 01-26-2005, 06:59 PM What's sad, Gatti might just get into the Hall of Fame.
Some of us dont consider that fact sad. I say good for him if he does!
bigdlb12 01-26-2005, 07:00 PM What's sad, Gatti might just get into the Hall of Fame.
:eek: dios mio
SweetScience 01-26-2005, 07:03 PM Some of us dont consider that fact sad. I say good for him if he does!
See, FAME.
tracylee 01-26-2005, 07:04 PM :eek: dios mio
I dont see it happening..unless they consider the warrior mentality, and the fact that he has provided us with several very intertaining battles. I think the criteria is a bit higher than that for the IBHOF though; but it wouldnt bother me one bit if by some miracle he did get inducted.
Kimmy 01-26-2005, 07:04 PM I appreciate that Gatti is one of the most exciting fighters ever but he isn`t hall of fame material, he isn`t even ( sorry to break hearts on this one ) world class. At Super featherweight he was a puncher because he came in 20 pounds heavier thn his opponents, when he moved up he got found out. Since the De La Hoya fights Gatti has managed to avoid the top guys and beat on a Micky Ward or that Branco guy. Neither are world class and neither entitle him to hall of fame. And Dorin? Another case of fighting someone so much smaller than he is. I`m not knocking Gatti, i pick him to win on pts on Saturday, but he isn`t world class and i think at this stage he isn`t gonna become such!
Super_Lightweight 01-26-2005, 07:05 PM Yeah, but Reeno was being WAY to harsh on Gatti, and for no reason. Why the hell would you go out of your way to dis a guy like Gatti? What did he do? This is the type of thing you do to Paul Spadafora, not Arturo Gatti.
Saying Gatti will lose to Mayweather is one thing, but making it sound like Mayweather will brutally KO Gatti is another thing altogether, and stupid.
SweetScience 01-26-2005, 07:07 PM Bobby Chacon is going to the Hall of Fame, the 80s version of Gatti....how sad.
tracylee 01-26-2005, 07:10 PM Yeah, but Reeno was being WAY to harsh on Gatti, and for no reason. Why the hell would you go out of your way to dis a guy like Gatti? What did he do? This is the type of thing you do to Paul Spadafora, not Arturo Gatti.
Saying Gatti will lose to Mayweather is one thing, but making it sound like Mayweather will brutally KO Gatti is another thing altogether, and stupid.
I havent read that article or whatever yet...maybe I shouldnt, cause I'm a big Gatti fan :confused:
Italian250 01-26-2005, 07:16 PM Yeah, but Reeno was being WAY to harsh on Gatti, and for no reason. Why the hell would you go out of your way to dis a guy like Gatti? What did he do? This is the type of thing you do to Paul Spadafora, not Arturo Gatti.
Saying Gatti will lose to Mayweather is one thing, but making it sound like Mayweather will brutally KO Gatti is another thing altogether, and stupid.
Thank You.....
Rick Reeno 01-26-2005, 07:47 PM Yeah, but Reeno was being WAY to harsh on Gatti, and for no reason. Why the hell would you go out of your way to dis a guy like Gatti? What did he do? This is the type of thing you do to Paul Spadafora, not Arturo Gatti.
Saying Gatti will lose to Mayweather is one thing, but making it sound like Mayweather will brutally KO Gatti is another thing altogether, and stupid.
I call it like it is and Gatti is heavily overrated. There was an outcry from the Boxing community after the second Robinson loss (when he lost three in a row) for Gatti to retire, people said he was shot beause Robinson was picked as an easy opponent, an easy opponent who never beat anybody but Gatti. Gatti has not fought any A class opponent in any weight class in his entire career, period. Gatti has beat journeymen his entire career and not even beat most of them clean. He would get busted up, knocked down and have to edge them out.
Why has Gatti not fought Mayweather when he has been the mandatory since May of 2004? Mayweather said at the post fight presser this weekend that he wanted to fight Leija last year for his debut at 140 and HBO turned the fight down because they said "the choice of opponent was an insult to the network" and wanted a high ranked challenger so he fought Corley. He was pissed that HBO let Gatti fight him and are plugging the hell out of the event. Mayweather said he is going to punish Gatti and knock him out, he told the everyone at the post fight presser that Gatti was no different then Bruseles. He hasnt been the only one to voice this. Judah said the same thing, that Gatti was getting so much press for going to war with a journeyman that he beat easy in Ward. I like Gatti and would not miss a Gatti fight for the world but Floyd is going to hurt him bad. Take a look at the first Gatti fight with Ward, Gatti was beaten up so bad in the late round that HBO was yelling to the ref "you can stop the fight at anytime", his own corner almost stopped it. What do you think Floyd, regarded by some as the number one pound for pound fighter in the world (at least number two by most) will do to Gatti? This almost sound like people that were battling with me when I said Lewis was going to brutally KO Tyson. I was getting emails "maybe Lewis will win, but it won't be one sided". Those people still had excuses as they will still have them after Floyd beats him and moves closer towards Tszyu.
Keep in mind that Floyd signed the contract for the Gatti fight ages ago and Gatti has yet to sign it.
MetalVomit 01-26-2005, 08:02 PM What's sad, Gatti might just get into the Hall of Fame.
I dont think that's sad. He's done a lot, and brought a lot of attention to the sport.
mic573 01-26-2005, 08:08 PM There is alot of people who really don't deserve to be in the Hall Of Fame and Gatti will be one of them. I have been voicing my opinion about Gatti for awhile now he puts on great fights but is not a great fighter.
Italian250 01-26-2005, 08:11 PM I call it like it is and Gatti is heavily overrated. There was an outcry from the Boxing community after the second Robinson loss (when he lost three in a row) for Gatti to retire, people said he was shot beause Robinson was picked as an easy opponent, an easy opponent who never beat anybody but Gatti. Gatti has not fought any A class opponent in any weight class in his entire career, period. Gatti has beat journeymen his entire career and not even beat most of them clean. He would get busted up, knocked down and have to edge them out.
Why has Gatti not fought Mayweather when he has been the mandatory since May of 2004? Mayweather said at the post fight presser this weekend that he wanted to fight Leija last year for his debut at 140 and HBO turned the fight down because they said "the choice of opponent was an insult to the network" and wanted a high ranked challenger so he fought Corley. He was pissed that HBO let Gatti fight him and are plugging the hell out of the event. Mayweather said he is going to punish Gatti and knock him out, he told the everyone at the post fight presser that Gatti was no different then Bruseles. He hasnt been the only one to voice this. Judah said the same thing, that Gatti was getting so much press for going to war with a journeyman that he beat easy in Ward. I like Gatti and would not miss a Gatti fight for the world but Floyd is going to hurt him bad. Take a look at the first Gatti fight with Ward, Gatti was beaten up so bad in the late round that HBO was yelling to the ref "you can stop the fight at anytime", his own corner almost stopped it. What do you think Floyd, regarded by some as the number one pound for pound fighter in the world (at least number two by most) will do to Gatti? This almost sound like people that were battling with me when I said Lewis was going to brutally KO Tyson. I was getting emails "maybe Lewis will win, but it won't be one sided". Those people still had excuses as they will still have them after Floyd beats him and moves closer towards Tszyu.
Keep in mind that Floyd signed the contract for the Gatti fight ages ago and Gatti has yet to sign it.
You love floyd, huh? But what I'm failing to see are all the top fighters on Mayweather's resume! I see Corrales and Castillo ( who BEAT him even though it's listed as a 'W'). Who else? Where's Hatton's name? Viv Harris? Frietas? Cotto? Tsyzu? Are THEY all ducking him too? Bruseles isn't in this league, is he?? So many people are touting mayweatehr as P4P the best but maybe we should see him beat a couple of the mentioned sames first, shall we?
Rick Reeno 01-26-2005, 08:22 PM I thought Floyd beat Castillo, it's funny how people say Castillo beat Floyd and Floyd beat him the second time when the Compubox numbers showed Castillo landing more punches in the second fight and Mayweather landing more in the first fight. There is no $$$ in Harris, he said he will fight Cotto and I can tell you right now that Top Rank will not match them until Cotto is worth more $$$$. Freitas is a Showtime fighter, Tszyu is a Showtime fighter. You forget to mention how Manfredy beat Gatti and then Floyd leveled Manfredy in two. Why hasnt Gatti ever rematched Manfredy? Manfredy called him out like a hundred times? Castillo and Corrales are both POUND FOR POUND FIGHTERS and both lsot to Floyd. Who is on Gatti's resume? Don't even name one P4P fighter, name one guy who was in the top two of his weight class. Don't forget Genero Hernandez, Emmanuel Augustus, Goyo Vargas, Justin Juuko, Carlos Hernadez, Jesus Chavez or were they all nobodies too?
julDilla 01-26-2005, 08:24 PM Gatti got leveled by DLH an A-class fighter
mic573 01-26-2005, 08:25 PM You love floyd, huh? But what I'm failing to see are all the top fighters on Mayweather's resume! I see Corrales and Castillo ( who BEAT him even though it's listed as a 'W'). Who else? Where's Hatton's name? Viv Harris? Frietas? Cotto? Tsyzu? Are THEY all ducking him too? Bruseles isn't in this league, is he?? So many people are touting mayweatehr as P4P the best but maybe we should see him beat a couple of the mentioned sames first, shall we?
He has barely got to 140 and all he wants right now is Gatti. He has consistently fought top 10 fighters most of his career so most people are going by what he has done before 140.
bubba1 01-26-2005, 08:30 PM Gatti got leveled by DLH an A-class fighter
You can't count that. Everyone knew Gatti was going to get killed, he jumped from 135 to fight Oscar at 147. Oscar's last fight at 147. Oscar was a giant to Gatti, he was 155 on the night of the fight. I agree with Rick, Gatti is a great fighter but PBF is going to beat him very convincingly.
mic573 01-26-2005, 08:43 PM You can't count that. Everyone knew Gatti was going to get killed, he jumped from 135 to fight Oscar at 147. Oscar's last fight at 147. Oscar was a giant to Gatti, he was 155 on the night of the fight. I agree with Rick, Gatti is a great fighter but PBF is going to beat him very convincingly.
Why can't you count that loss? Gatti got in that ring he wasn't forced to.
MetalVomit 01-26-2005, 08:44 PM You can't count that. Everyone knew Gatti was going to get killed, he jumped from 135 to fight Oscar at 147. Oscar's last fight at 147. Oscar was a giant to Gatti, he was 155 on the night of the fight. I agree with Rick, Gatti is a great fighter but PBF is going to beat him very convincingly.
You have to count that. There's no not counting fights, PBF is going to brutalize Gatti worse than Hopkins did Tito.
Floydmayweather 01-26-2005, 09:46 PM If i were Gatti i would rather fight Zoo because he will trade with him and that is Gattis only chance. Mayweather will throw a few punches land and back away. Then when Gatti is worn down Mayweather will put a beating on him. Either way he is in trouble but he has a better chance catching zoo than Floyd.
marvdave 01-27-2005, 12:33 AM The article was pretty much right on the money.. I truly enjoy watching Gatti and will never miss his fights, but facts is facts. Mayweather will make easy work of Gatti.
I'm sure Gatti will give us a good show this weekend.
Mr. Ryan 01-27-2005, 03:23 PM I see the angle you're coming from as I have heard it on here before. "Gatti is exciting, he's a warrior, huge heart..but he'll never win against the best".
Whats wrong with the truth. Don't get me wrong, I am a big fan of Gatti, me and him are both from Jersey City. He's a tough guy with a lot of heart, but he will never beat the top guys. His WBC Junior Welterweight Belt is only good for holding his pants up, and he hasn't fought an elite fighter since Oscar De La Hoya.
tracylee 01-28-2005, 12:54 PM The article was pretty much right on the money.. I truly enjoy watching Gatti and will never miss his fights, but facts is facts. Mayweather will make easy work of Gatti.
I'm sure Gatti will give us a good show this weekend.
Definately! He always does..thats one thing we can all count on!
Super_Lightweight 01-28-2005, 01:49 PM I thought Floyd beat Castillo, it's funny how people say Castillo beat Floyd and Floyd beat him the second time when the Compubox numbers showed Castillo landing more punches in the second fight and Mayweather landing more in the first fight.
You just lost credibility there. Here's why your article is too venomous:
1) You went out of your way to trash a guy like Gatti, who is a good, not great fighter, but who is great for boxing. He is great for the sport and has a name...why do you not knock Floyd for challenging him if he is such trash.
2) You say Mayweather will brutally KO Gatti. Lennox KO'ing Tyson is something everyone SHOULD have been able to forsee. Only hardcore Tyson fans would have said otherwise in most cases. Mayweather MIGHT TKO Gatti, but he damn sure won't KO him...I'll bet you on that if they ever fight. If Gatti does get TKO'd so what? Is it not better to go out like that than to fight like a ***** and run like Mayweather did vs Castillo? I enjoy Mayweather, and root for him most of the time, but he ran like a ***** vs Castillo in their first fight and he lost. In addition, he does beat up women, and he is known to be an ass now and then, so why don't you write an article like this about him? I'm not even a huge fan of Gatti, but his style and effort commands respect, not nitpicking and trashing of his skills.
There are plenty of other fighters you could write an article like that about that deserve, but you do it to Gatti...don't you feel like the big man on campus now? You think just because Gatti has a lot of fans that he should be checked and dissed by you? That's immature if you ask me.
m00ks 01-28-2005, 02:07 PM Mayweather wins against Gatti on cuts.
Rick Reeno 01-28-2005, 02:46 PM You just lost credibility there. Here's why your article is too venomous:
1) You went out of your way to trash a guy like Gatti, who is a good, not great fighter, but who is great for boxing. He is great for the sport and has a name...why do you not knock Floyd for challenging him if he is such trash.
2) You say Mayweather will brutally KO Gatti. Lennox KO'ing Tyson is something everyone SHOULD have been able to forsee. Only hardcore Tyson fans would have said otherwise in most cases. Mayweather MIGHT TKO Gatti, but he damn sure won't KO him...I'll bet you on that if they ever fight. If Gatti does get TKO'd so what? Is it not better to go out like that than to fight like a ***** and run like Mayweather did vs Castillo? I enjoy Mayweather, and root for him most of the time, but he ran like a ***** vs Castillo in their first fight and he lost. In addition, he does beat up women, and he is known to be an ass now and then, so why don't you write an article like this about him? I'm not even a huge fan of Gatti, but his style and effort commands respect, not nitpicking and trashing of his skills.
There are plenty of other fighters you could write an article like that about that deserve, but you do it to Gatti...don't you feel like the big man on campus now? You think just because Gatti has a lot of fans that he should be checked and dissed by you? That's immature if you ask me.
I think your good at trying to put words in my mouth. I never called Gatti trash and if you read past what you don't want to hear then you would see that the article states that "Gatti will only go so far", that he will always be a fighter that can't beat the best in the division. Tommy Morrison was the same way, good fighter, exciting, always got hurt and came back but was never good enough to beat the top heavyweights.
Mayweather is a boxer, the art of boxing is to hit and not get hit. Mayweather is not a brawler, you make no sense by saying that Mayweather should of stood there and went toe to toe with Castillo (giving Castillo his chance to win). Stylewise Mayweather is all wrong for Gatti, so is Tszyu. A guy like Hatton is a perfect fight that Arturo can win. Gatti can beat guys who brawl but he cannot beat strong boxers with speed. What Mayweather does in his personal life is not my business, I don't write about what fighters do outside of the ring.
I have no doubt that Gatti will go down swinging, that he will keep going until either his corner or the ref stops the fight. There is a big reason that Gatti has not fought any fighter as a pay per view main event after all these years, he has not fought anyone worthy of being a pay per view battle. Should Gatti and Floyd meet, it will be the first pay per view for both men but Floyd is a young guy still trying to find a fanbase.
I hope Gatti proves me wrong, I really do but I don't see it happening. Unlike other writers, when I'm wrong I say it. Just like I thought Jones would KO Tarver in 5 when they first fought and I ate crow. Just like I said Tua would knock out Byrd when thet fought and I ate crow as Tua was handled by Byrd easy. Gatti's only shot to win is if Mayweather slugs which will not happen.
BIGPOPPAPUMP 01-28-2005, 02:59 PM You just lost credibility there. Here's why your article is too venomous:
1) You went out of your way to trash a guy like Gatti, who is a good, not great fighter, but who is great for boxing. He is great for the sport and has a name...why do you not knock Floyd for challenging him if he is such trash.
2) You say Mayweather will brutally KO Gatti. Lennox KO'ing Tyson is something everyone SHOULD have been able to forsee. Only hardcore Tyson fans would have said otherwise in most cases. Mayweather MIGHT TKO Gatti, but he damn sure won't KO him...I'll bet you on that if they ever fight. If Gatti does get TKO'd so what? Is it not better to go out like that than to fight like a ***** and run like Mayweather did vs Castillo? I enjoy Mayweather, and root for him most of the time, but he ran like a ***** vs Castillo in their first fight and he lost. In addition, he does beat up women, and he is known to be an ass now and then, so why don't you write an article like this about him? I'm not even a huge fan of Gatti, but his style and effort commands respect, not nitpicking and trashing of his skills.
There are plenty of other fighters you could write an article like that about that deserve, but you do it to Gatti...don't you feel like the big man on campus now? You think just because Gatti has a lot of fans that he should be checked and dissed by you? That's immature if you ask me.
Mayweather outboxed Castillo twice, the first time Floyd made it closer by choosing to fight off the ropes. The second time he straight boxed and schooled Castillo. I find it funny that your "nitpicking" on an article that just tells Gatti to stay away from Mayweather and Tszyu. Gatti never even fought a pound for pound fighter other then Oscar, Mayweather beat two of them.
hollister 01-28-2005, 04:06 PM Gatti is what he is.
Im sorry but he would be hurt badly by Floyd or Tszyu. It would be like watching Vinny Paz fight Roy Jones again. Its just a brutal masmatch in terms of talent.
Hell Gatti has been beaten by guys like Manfredy, Ivan Robinson and had life and death struggles with 3rd rate fighters like Joe Hutchinson, Branco and Wilson Rodriguez.
Yes he has won two "World Titles", but lets be real here. He is not the Champion at 140 and he was shamelessy protected at 130. His people know have manuevered him right though out his entire career.
Just look at all the great guys that were fighting at 130-135 when Gatti was there. Guys like Shane Mosley, Genaro Hernandez and Stevie Johnston all top 10-15 p4p guys and his people didn't want to have anything to with them.
Now that he is up at 140 his people are pulling the same stuff. They didn't want a fight with Tszyu and they ran from Floyd.
His people are not stupid they know they would be throwing there meal ticket away if they let him fight a guy like that. Please dont bring up him fighting DLH. That was a win-win situation for him and his people he gets paid a ton of money and everyone knows who DLH is so there when he lost his reputation would not be hurt.
Gatti has heart, is well conditioned, has plenty of power, and puts punches together almost as well as PBF, IMO. If he comes to fight, and puts the kind of pressure on PBF that he is capable of, this could be a very rough fight for both, don't count him out yet.
hollister 01-28-2005, 04:09 PM Mayweather beat two of them.
Corrales is overrated.
BIGPOPPAPUMP 01-28-2005, 04:31 PM Corrales is overrated.
Overrated maybe, but everyone thinks he is overrated because of how easy Mayweather beat the **** out of him.
hollister 01-28-2005, 04:42 PM If Freitas had been in better shape, he would have beaten Diego pretty easily, too. I'm not saying he's no good, just another that probably won't live up to the hype.
Floydmayweather 01-28-2005, 05:02 PM Floyd is going to go the body early against Gatti and wear him down. Once he is worn down a little Floyd is going to pop shot him to death. I like Gatti but this is the worst kind of fight for him style wise he does poorly against boxers and Floyd is the best boxer.
tracylee 02-01-2005, 05:11 PM Corrales is overrated.
I agree with that totally! ;)
Truth 02-01-2005, 05:38 PM I`m not dening this, but Gatti's style would be better suited against Tsyzu than mayweather!
I agree Gatti would do better with Tsyzu than Mayweather.
tracylee 02-01-2005, 06:33 PM I agree Gatti would do better with Tsyzu than Mayweather.
Me too...Mayweather is just too slick for Gatti. I love Gatti, but just see him having a very hard time even landing anything on floyd. Against Tszyu is another story. Tsyzu hits so hard and Gatti cuts so easily that I just dont see the fight lasting very long!
The1God 02-01-2005, 06:50 PM Me too...Mayweather is just too slick for Gatti. I love Gatti, but just see him having a very hard time even landing anything on floyd. Against Tszyu is another story. Tsyzu hits so hard and Gatti cuts so easily that I just dont see the fight lasting very long!
Well, I am not trying to argue here, but I think Gatti would do better against Mayweather not Kostya. That is my opinion. Reason, I think Kostya can take a punch better than floyd. I will put my points on Gatti when and if he meets PBF. Since Gatti has been under Buddy, he looks very disaplined and refined. Floyd is going to fall to Roy syndrome, being to full of himself. Gatti has been beat, he knows how not to get beat, he knows how to win and not just expect it every fight out.
MlLkMan 02-01-2005, 06:55 PM I think Gatti can take PBF. Gatti has some speed.
tracylee 02-01-2005, 06:57 PM Well, I am not trying to argue here, but I think Gatti would do better against Mayweather not Kostya. That is my opinion. Reason, I think Kostya can take a punch better than floyd. I will put my points on Gatti when and if he meets PBF. Since Gatti has been under Buddy, he looks very disaplined and refined. Floyd is going to fall to Roy syndrome, being to full of himself. Gatti has been beat, he knows how not to get beat, he knows how to win and not just expect it every fight out.
Hey just cause you disagree doesnt mean youre trying to argue! We're both adults, and that is what mess. boards are all aobut...I'll debate with you any day, ok.
You have good, valid pt's too. I just think that Floyd is so damn smooth in the ring he'd be very hard to land flush against. But, I'd love for Gatti to beat both Floyd and Kostya..I love Gatti; I just realize his limitations ;) But, then again, with all the shocking losses lately (Jones, Freitas) who the hell knows what to expect anymore! :eek:
The1God 02-01-2005, 07:02 PM Hey just cause you disagree doesnt mean youre trying to argue! We're both adults, and that is what mess. boards are all aobut...I'll debate with you any day, ok.
You have good, valid pt's too. I just think that Floyd is so damn smooth in the ring he'd be very hard to land flush against. But, I'd love for Gatti to beat both Floyd and Kostya..I love Gatti; I just realize his limitations ;) But, then again, with all the shocking losses lately (Jones, Freitas) who the hell knows what to expect anymore! :eek:
This board is a bit on the tense side, I prefer to be a nice guy, don't want any bad Karma either! :D
I will take Gatti over PBF if anybody wants to put some points on it. Not Kostya.
marvdave 02-01-2005, 07:04 PM Leija is no Mayweather. PBF will do a number on Gatti. I see Gatti with very little chance here. His only chance would be to come out "old style Gatti" come out brawling. If he tries to box with MW, it will be a very long night for for him
tracylee 02-01-2005, 07:18 PM This board is a bit on the tense side, I prefer to be a nice guy, don't want any bad Karma either! :D
I will take Gatti over PBF if anybody wants to put some points on it. Not Kostya.
lol, you've always been a nice guy far as I can remember! ;) Dont worry anyway, not where I'm concerned...when I give karma its only good. I'd not give you bad karma for disagreeing..thats just stupid. If we all agreed, all the time, it would be sooooooo boring! :confused:
Very cool..it actually let me give you and Marvdave karma..and yes, it was the good kind! :D
DiegoFuego 02-01-2005, 10:28 PM Gatti has surpassed all expectations. Nobody thought he would last this long, let alone be dominating his opponents as he did with Dorin and Leija. It's really incredible what he's done, but the bus stops at Mayweather. It all ends there. Gatti will get his big payday, but Mayweather will destroy him.
Pagan 02-01-2005, 11:10 PM People don't seem to remember or realize that mayweather is hot and cold.
His best performance by far IMO was against Corrales. And we all know that it was probably Corrales' worst performance in his career at the same time.
Before that fight and even since then, he has looked lackluster winning decisions against opponents who he should have beat in 2 or 3 rounds.
Pretty boy might have all the speed and talent in the world, and he'll probably beat Gatti by unanimous dec., but Gatti has more than a puncher's chance. He and McGirt can put together a gameplan that nobody will expect and Gatti can pull Mayweather into a close fight in the championship rounds. I'm serious. Gatti is more of a thinker now, and the punches that stopped guys in the lower weights for Floyd will not hurt Gatti.
Like I said, in all honesty, the deck is stacked against Arturo, but those of you who think he only has a 'puncher's chance' are being lulled into the PBF hero-worship syndrome. The man is not some sort of a god, neither was Roy Jones, but many of you thought he was, now you're all haters.
Mark my words, if Mayweather doesn't put it on Gatti hard and fast the whole fight just like he did against Corrales, Gatti can definitly pull out a win.
+= El Jefe=+ 02-01-2005, 11:15 PM Gatti is just an old school
brawler, Mayweather is too fast
and he wont just stand there and give gatti
clean shoots at him.
unless gatti does somethign amazing,
mayweather has it won.
SonnyJ 02-01-2005, 11:21 PM I didnt know Leija fights for DLH
http://www.goldenboypromotions.com/fighters/fighters_index.htm
yeah I think that happened after the tszyu fight
Floydmayweather 02-01-2005, 11:52 PM Floyd will not hurt Gatti with one shot but he will hurt him and bad. Floyd needs a title belt for bargaining power and he will not take Gatti lightly. You are gonna see the best of Floyd VS the best of Gatti. Floyd will stop Gatti late. ;)
USA4LIFE 03-25-2005, 02:35 PM First of all i pick Gatti by KO, he's got the one punch KO power not PBF, and he will find it no matter what. Anyway, if PBF doesnt do what he says he's gonna do to Gatti he's going to lose respect, and if he loses than what respect he has now will be gone. The way people are making this fight out to be a massacre on gatti is prolly a bad thing to do, if PBF loses he will never recover mentally, he will be known as a former p4p that lost to a "bum", as most of you put gatti as. Oh and
El Jefe De Jefes, for being a Julio Cesar Chavez fan how can you say the PBF has it won, Meldrick Taylor had it won against Chavez and looked what happened, and Taylor put on one of his best boxing perfomances prolly he ever had. Even if PBF is gonna land 5 to 1 on gatti, gatti is going to make that 1 punch count, and it's gonna take a toll on PBF. Granted that gatti prolly doesn't hit as hard as Chavez does but he still hits hard enough to put floyd away.
kevvy1979 03-25-2005, 04:56 PM Jose Luis Castillo won the first fight against PBF. Thats why Arum wanted a rematch right away ,because he knew it as well.Thats because of his style of body attack and aggression nullified PBF in a way. That’s how Gatti can beat Floyd, is by that same style. Gatti has more power then JLC, so this time Floyd might just get KO'ed instead of stunned as with Jose.Dont box, just take it to him Castillo style. You’re going to get hit either way, so make it harder for Floyd to box as did Castillo. Let’s see how Floyd holds up to the heart and determination of Gatti,not the other way around.
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