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You didn't know this.

Man I keep getting this strange feeling the Rock is going to Stop him.I am a Toney fan and hope he wins but I got this feeling.Toney has never been in the ring with a guy who can hit like Rahman I am very interested in this fight the closer it gets. :boxing:

Thats nothing Toney still wins by UD.

I can't believe Toney is 237...wow. I thought he would be more like 228-230. I still pick Toney to win though...

Man I keep getting this strange feeling the Rock is going to Stop him.I am a Toney fan and hope he wins but I got this feeling.Toney has never been in the ring with a guy who can hit like Rahman I am very interested in this fight the closer it gets. :boxing:
You could have not said it better.

I feel like Rahman will stop him because Toney will be just a little too old to handle the pressure/hits from Rahman.

Rahman looks like a powerful bull, Toney some bald cornerman with a gut. Maybe even the guy who carries the spit bucket.

Still have to favor Toney but he doesn't bear a passing resemblance to an athlete. The only definition on his body is the six pack of oscar mayer weiners on the back of his neck.

Seriously, the lack of pride he takes in his health and fitness is an embarrassment to his sport. Garbage in, garbage out, as it is often said. An athlete cannot succeed forever eating and abusing his body like Toney does.

If there's any justice in the world, Rahman knocks him out in the name of work ethic and for the good of boxing. Toney is a nasty, hateful guy who disrespects everyone in the sport, including himself, with the lousy shape he's showed up in.

I could care less about disrespecting Toney because he shows no respect for anyone else on the planet. A man like that is undeserving of honor and is owed nothing by anyone.

If Toney is interested in getting in shape and giving the sport his all, than good for him. If he can learn some humility and respect for others, I am all ready to be a fan. The way he is now though, and at 37 years old he probably won't change, **** him.

Toney will knock Rahman's punk ass out.

Toney TKO 11.

Don't let the physiques sway you.

This is a boxing site, not a fitness site. If Toney beats Rahman that means Toney is a better boxer, and thats what is supposed to matter.

Man I keep getting this strange feeling the Rock is going to Stop him.I am a Toney fan and hope he wins but I got this feeling.Toney has never been in the ring with a guy who can hit like Rahman I am very interested in this fight the closer it gets. :boxing:

Ya know, I'm starting to develope the same feeling. 237 is WAAYY too big; but maybe his skill will once again put him on top. Rock's not a huge puncher; but he's above average for a heavyweight....and that's more than Toney's ever tasted.

237...DAMN!

in the end the result and not the shape is the most important but stil toney at 237 is just disrespectful

DAAANM, Rahman is ****en fit. I think its going to be a long night for toney.

Ya know, I'm starting to develope the same feeling. 237 is WAAYY too big; but maybe his skill will once again put him on top. Rock's not a huge puncher; but he's above average for a heavyweight....and that's more than Toney's ever tasted.

237...DAMN!
Yo didn't you just say in the other tread that Toney would beat the **** out of Rahman don't just say anything to get your name up here.If you don't know what you talking about don't say anything you might learn somthing.Some poeple thake this stuff serious.

holy **** 237 is too much for his body to hadle, i bet he weill start good the first 5 rounds and then from there he wont have the energy to keep on going ...... my heart says toney but my mind says rock

Rahman looks to be in the best shape in years, fwiw.

Yo didn't you just say in the other tread that Toney would beat the **** out of Rahman don't just say anything to get your name up here.If you don't know what you talking about don't say anything you might learn somthing.Some poeple thake this stuff serious.

Yeah, I did...but that was before I found out about the weight...now, I'm not so sure. I figured Toney would come in aroun 228 or so. He's 10 pounds heavier than I originally anticipated. That's the reason for the waffle.


I was pickig Douglas over Holyfield...until the weight in. See?

I assure you I take boxing seriously.

K-Dogg I can see by your inconsistency and the fact you live in Nashville that you know nothing about the boxing game.

Heh, heh. Really.

Okay...try me. :rolleyes:

Allow me to clarify. I still think Toney will more than likely outpoint Rahman; but he's giving the Rock a chance by not coming in in the best shape. That's all I'm saying.

Can't wait till this fight. Haven't been this exited for a heavyweight fight in quite some time. Toney is a natural middleweight, and Rock is a big dude with a bigger punch. I have a bad feeling for Toney but hopefully his skills allow him to take Rock.

Can't wait till this fight. Haven't been this exited for a heavyweight fight in quite some time. Toney is a natural middleweight, and Rock is a big dude with a bigger punch. I have a bad feeling for Toney but hopefully his skills allow him to take Rock.

By very nature a "natural" middleweight is someone who has no problems making that weight (someone like bhop), which puts toney well out of that category.

I'd pick an unfit Toney over a fit Rahman any day though!

I agree. Rahman is just a mediocre fighter. There are a million guys built like him. He is a fraud, not Toney.

I agree. Rahman is just a mediocre fighter. There are a million guys built like him. He is a fraud, not Toney.
Name good hevywheight Toney beat.

duh, duh, and ****ing duh.

rahman is a 6'2" natural HW. toney is a 5'9" blown up middleweight. OF COURSE RAHMAN IS BIGGER, YOU ****ING TWIT!!!

which will make it all the sweeter when toney wins.

duh, duh, and ****ing duh.

rahman is a 6'2" natural HW. toney is a 5'9" blown up middleweight. OF COURSE RAHMAN IS BIGGER, YOU ****ING TWIT!!!

which will make it all the sweeter when toney wins.

In which case, everyone better bet on Rahman. We all know about your predictions, LMAO.

In which case, everyone better bet on Rahman. We all know about your predictions, LMAO.
who invited you, stalker?

In which case, everyone better bet on Rahman. We all know about your predictions, LMAO.
u're thinking of cold.

Rahman looks like a powerful bull, Toney some bald cornerman with a gut. Maybe even the guy who carries the spit bucket.

Still have to favor Toney but he doesn't bear a passing resemblance to an athlete. The only definition on his body is the six pack of oscar mayer weiners on the back of his neck.

Seriously, the lack of pride he takes in his health and fitness is an embarrassment to his sport. Garbage in, garbage out, as it is often said. An athlete cannot succeed forever eating and abusing his body like Toney does.

If there's any justice in the world, Rahman knocks him out in the name of work ethic and for the good of boxing. Toney is a nasty, hateful guy who disrespects everyone in the sport, including himself, with the lousy shape he's showed up in.

I could care less about disrespecting Toney because he shows no respect for anyone else on the planet. A man like that is undeserving of honor and is owed nothing by anyone.

If Toney is interested in getting in shape and giving the sport his all, than good for him. If he can learn some humility and respect for others, I am all ready to be a fan. The way he is now though, and at 37 years old he probably won't change, **** him.

shut up billy blanks!

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u're thinking of cold.

What??? What you banging on about?

Rahman looks like a powerful bull, Toney some bald cornerman with a gut. Maybe even the guy who carries the spit bucket.

Still have to favor Toney but he doesn't bear a passing resemblance to an athlete. The only definition on his body is the six pack of oscar mayer weiners on the back of his neck.

Seriously, the lack of pride he takes in his health and fitness is an embarrassment to his sport. Garbage in, garbage out, as it is often said. An athlete cannot succeed forever eating and abusing his body like Toney does.

If there's any justice in the world, Rahman knocks him out in the name of work ethic and for the good of boxing. Toney is a nasty, hateful guy who disrespects everyone in the sport, including himself, with the lousy shape he's showed up in.

I could care less about disrespecting Toney because he shows no respect for anyone else on the planet. A man like that is undeserving of honor and is owed nothing by anyone.

If Toney is interested in getting in shape and giving the sport his all, than good for him. If he can learn some humility and respect for others, I am all ready to be a fan. The way he is now though, and at 37 years old he probably won't change, **** him.


What a bunch of crying.

Judge a fighter on thier preformance in the ring, not their appearence.

By your logic, people could have been writing off Archie Moore when he was fighting at Heavyweight.

Toney's a futur Hall of Famer, and everything he's doing now at Heavyweight (starting from Middleweight) is icing on the cake.

They guy's a marvel, and one of the greatest fighters of his generation.

All that critisism and crying from someone who idolizes ****ty sub par Heavyweights is a joke.

did toney weigh in with his clothes on?

And what's with all the !!!!! in the title of this thread.

Toney's pervious career high was 235, and Rahman has hovered between that and 260 for the last few years. He's 6'3.

There is no suprize whatsoever at him weighing in higher than Toney. That was to be expected.

shut up billy blanks!

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/1188/fatwillwin9sk.jpg

heh, heh...that's pretty funny. :)

did toney weigh in with his clothes on?

I think so. It would be hilarious if he comes in packed with muscles

Toney was said to be coming in heavy "on purpose" becuase he is facing rahman

To me the most important thing about the weigh in is not the fact that Toney is at his highest weight, but that Rock looks to be in great shape. Its good to see that Rock is physically ready. Toney is comfertable with more weight anyway. Untill I see it hurt him, I think he'll be fine. Still got Toney by close UD, should be a good fight....

Way too many of you are hung up on the physical appearence of these guys.

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"Hi, I'm Michael Grant"

Can anyone remember of a challenger coming into a fight so out of shape being such a clear favourite?

I think hes just trying to make a mockery out of todays hw division.

If anyone could ever pull it of JT can do it!

5-9 237lb Why? I agree on excessive muscle tone not a major requirement for a fighter, but 30-40% body fat.

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Some of these comments blow me away.

Toney's comfortable with his weight, and spars 12 rounds with 4 different partners switching in and out.

The way his body appears has nothing to do with his ability in the ring.

He was 235 against Guinn, and averaged 100 punches a round thrown in rounds 9 - 12.

Look at Sam Peter. He looked fantastic to the eye in terms of his condition in his fight with Wlad, and then couldn't put a combo together after the 5th round.

The lack of understanding being thrown around here is really astonishing.

5-9 237lb Why? I agree on excessive muscle tone not a major requirement for a fighter, but 30-40% body fat.

Is 5-9 betting odds? If it is whack a big pile of cash on!!!!

I only got 2-5 and put £1,000 in with 3 football matches

Some of these comments blow me away.

Toney's comfortable with his weight, and spars 12 rounds with 4 different partners switching in and out.

The way his body appears has nothing to do with his ability in the ring.

He was 235 against Guinn, and averaged 100 punches a round thrown in rounds 9 - 12.

Look at Sam Peter. He looked fantastic to the eye in terms of his condition in his fight with Wlad, and then couldn't put a combo together after the 5th round.

The lack of understanding being thrown around here is really astonishing.
as much as toney weighs, that doesnt change the fact that he has the most stamina of any HW (possibly any fighter) in the world today. he is infinatly calm, paces himself, works at a comfortable rate, and is in just as good of condition as he needs to be. correct bozo. his physical apperance has nothing to do with his superhuman stamina.

Is 5-9 betting odds? If it is whack a big pile of cash on!!!!

I only got 2-5 and put £1,000 in with 3 football matches

5'9 is toneys height

he has no problem going 12 rounds, even weighing at 230+ pounds, cuz he's so RELAXED in the ring, unlike most fighters. that nervous energy would really take a lot outta you.

5'9 is toneys height

That stupid ****wit shouldn't have used a dash! Almost came lol!

rahman look like he is great shape and anytime he is in great shape he is easily one of the best heavies in the world. rahman is going to stop toney...

only stupid heavyweights will lose to toney, guys like guinn just kept crowding themselves and let toney fight his fight, u gotta jab move not stay on the inside period, can rock do that? maybe? will he? i surely dont think so

Rock bigger than Toney!!!!!!!!!!


So what's the big fuzz? :D Isn't it obvious. Everybody already knows that since day one.

rahman should go to Toney's body consistently and bang him up real good from round 1 and on, he shouldn't worry too much about Toney's punching power. if he goes to the body a lot, he'll get tagged by many counters, but that's the only chance he got cuz he won't catch toney with the right hand if he ONLY goes for that one punch knock-out. head-hunting on Toney is plain stupid, only way to catch him is make him tired as **** first by going to the body AND THEN try his chin.

However, i don't see rahman doing this. Therefore, toney TKOs rahman in round 9 or 10.

only stupid heavyweights will lose to toney, guys like guinn just kept crowding themselves and let toney fight his fight, u gotta jab move not stay on the inside period, can rock do that? maybe? will he? i surely dont think so


The Rock can be competitive with Toney only up to the 5th or 6th round. If Rahman fails to hurt Toney halfway then Toney will dictate the fight and finish him off.

Man I keep getting this strange feeling the Rock is going to Stop him.I am a Toney fan and hope he wins but I got this feeling.Toney has never been in the ring with a guy who can hit like Rahman I am very interested in this fight the closer it gets. :boxing:

i have the same exact feelings.

i have the same exact feelings.


...Brown, Raesaad and I will be watching it at my house. Wish you could attend brother.

Did I ever say Toney will lose this fight because of his weight? No. What I said is that his physical appearance is a disgrace. A champion should look the part, or at least attempt to, and Toney with the appearance of a burnt stay-puffed marshmallow man does not show any respect to his opponent or the sport. The way he talks is disrespectful, the way he eats is disrespectful. The only reason a Toney fight sells is because people want to see this guy's ass get beaten. He has great skill and a mind for fighting but lacks one iota of class. I don't wish death or permanent injury to any boxer, but I hope Toney is embarrassed on Saturday night. I hope Rahman somehow gets lucky and cleans his clock good.

That stupid ****wit shouldn't have used a dash! Almost came lol!


Yea, my bad. I need to take into account those of you who took the short bus to school.

Did I ever say Toney will lose this fight because of his weight? No. What I said is that his physical appearance is a disgrace. A champion should look the part, or at least attempt to, and Toney with the appearance of a burnt stay-puffed marshmallow man does not show any respect to his opponent or the sport. The way he talks is disrespectful, the way he eats is disrespectful. The only reason a Toney fight sells is because people want to see this guy's ass get beaten. He has great skill and a mind for fighting but lacks one iota of class. I don't wish death or permanent injury to any boxer, but I hope Toney is embarrassed on Saturday night. I hope Rahman somehow gets lucky and cleans his clock good.


Again, if Physical appearence played even close to the role you're insinuating, Michael Grant would have been a great.

What matters is how Toney preforms in the ring.

He's 38 years old this year, and he can maintain a pace for 12 rounds that would make most Heavyweights puke.

Archie Moore was soft and round looking when he fought Marciano.

Appearences shouldn't be deceiving.

And don't give me that crap about his attitude. Mike Tyson had a worse disposition and he's one of the most popular Heavyweights ever.

This is the hurt business, and Toney, in the shape he's in, is one of the most talented and fun to watch fighters at Heavyweight. He showcases skill unlike the majority of blown up stiffs fighting currently at Heavyweight.

He's everything that's good about the division at present.

Weight-in was today? Isn't it supposed to be the day before the fight?

Weight-in was today? Isn't it supposed to be the day before the fight?

Heavyweights do it Thurs becaus the weight's unlimited and it doesn't matter what they put on before the fight.

...Brown, Raesaad and I will be watching it at my house. Wish you could attend brother.
I d love to but I cant leave the house that day.Its anal sex night in the bomber household. thx for the invite though,we can do it some other time.Tell Ras to leave some for me.

Heavyweights do it Thurs becaus the weight's unlimited and it doesn't matter what they put on before the fight.

Oh, I didn't knew that. thanks.

Man I keep getting this strange feeling the Rock is going to Stop him.I am a Toney fan and hope he wins but I got this feeling.Toney has never been in the ring with a guy who can hit like Rahman I am very interested in this fight the closer it gets. :boxing:


Well that's a big possibilty friend. This fight can go both ways. If Rahman plays it right in the early rounds he'll put Toney's back against the wall and get the victory. There's alot more chance that Rahman will tire out earllier than Toney so he's got to do his thing in the early rounds.

Toney is much nastier and hateful than Tyson ever was. Tyson on his worst days would still help his opponent up off the canvas and behave like a respectful and decent human being when the fighting was over. Toney has no such class.

True Toney is the most skillful heavyweight out there, and is P4P one of the best currently active boxers. He'll be a shoe in for the hall of fame. These are all facts. However, he has no respect for his fellow competitors and so I will give him none.

man you guys are ****in crazy. toney has all the talent. rahman is only fighting toney because quitali quit. he's a mechanical, underachieving paper champ; while toney is the far more talented, fluid, overachieving professional. heighth and power are out of the equation.

Toney is much nastier and hateful than Tyson ever was. Tyson on his worst days would still help his opponent up off the canvas and behave like a respectful and decent human being when the fighting was over. Toney has no such class.


What the **** are you talking about?

He bit a piece of Holyfield's ear off, and spit it out. He talks about sodamizing his opponents and their families, and has sucker punched and bitten his opponents at press conferences.

Come on.

Toney can appear disrespectful of oppoents at times, but a lot of it is for show. Anyone who's been around him for extended periods of times talks about how warm and approchable he is when all the cameras are off.

In a sport where everyone is longing to see violence in the ring it's really ironic to see someone complaining about some harsh words.


:rolleyes:

Well that's a big possibilty friend. This fight can go both ways. If Rahman plays it right in the early rounds he'll put Toney's back against the wall and get the victory. There's alot more chance that Rahman will tire out earllier than Toney so he's got to do his thing in the early rounds.
You are right except about one thing: Toney weighed in so high I don't know if he'll be able to counter-punch for 12 rounds.

You are right except about one thing: Toney weighed in so high I don't know if he'll be able to counter-punch for 12 rounds.


He's 237.

Vs Guinn, he was 235 and was throwing on average 80 punches a round through the championship rounds.

He's 237.

Vs Guinn, he was 235 and was throwing on average 80 punches a round through the championship rounds.

and how many punches do you imagine toney throwing if he trimmed down to 225?

and how many punches do you imagine toney throwing if he trimmed down to 225?

I don't believe it would make much of a difference.

He spars 12 - 15 rounds and switches out partners to remain with a fresh guy throwing at him.

If he's 235 and throwing 80 punches a round in rounds 9 - 12, how many more do you think he needs to throw?

That's wayyy above Heavyweight average, especially for late in the fight.

Rahman looks like a powerful bull, Toney some bald cornerman with a gut. Maybe even the guy who carries the spit bucket.

Still have to favor Toney but he doesn't bear a passing resemblance to an athlete. The only definition on his body is the six pack of oscar mayer weiners on the back of his neck.

Seriously, the lack of pride he takes in his health and fitness is an embarrassment to his sport. Garbage in, garbage out, as it is often said. An athlete cannot succeed forever eating and abusing his body like Toney does.

If there's any justice in the world, Rahman knocks him out in the name of work ethic and for the good of boxing. Toney is a nasty, hateful guy who disrespects everyone in the sport, including himself, with the lousy shape he's showed up in.

I could care less about disrespecting Toney because he shows no respect for anyone else on the planet. A man like that is undeserving of honor and is owed nothing by anyone.

If Toney is interested in getting in shape and giving the sport his all, than good for him. If he can learn some humility and respect for others, I am all ready to be a fan. The way he is now though, and at 37 years old he probably won't change, **** him.
Regarding your comment about Toney being hateful, I disagree with that. He may come off that way, but I think it (his trashtalking) is just the way he sells himself.

Tyson's biting off Holyfield's ear is not excusable but to his credit he had been provoked by Holyfield's headbutting and he did apologize in the end.

Toney threatened to shoot his own manager, Jackie Kallen, during a live interview which in my opinion is worse than anything Tyson has ever said in terms of threats. When Tyson makes threats it's usually understood to be some kind of outburst, he's blowing off steam. What Toney did was really crossing the line however.

Besides all the wrongdoings that Tyson has commited, he was almost always respectful towards his fallen opponents after a fight. Toney shows no such respect. Maybe he's never bitten off an ear but somehow his ****y behavior is worse to me. The way he talks to reporters, saying "g'day mate" in an australian accent when addressing a british reporter. The sombrero gag during the Ruiz press conference. There's something about it all that screams "I'm an ignorant fool and proud of it!"

I'll take Tyson any day over Toney as a person and a fighter.

He's 237.

Vs Guinn, he was 235 and was throwing on average 80 punches a round through the championship rounds.
Rahman is not Guinn, I think he'll be putting a lot more pressure on Toney.

Tyson's biting off Holyfield's ear is not excusable but to his credit he had been provoked by Holyfield's headbutting and he did apologize in the end.

Toney threatened to shoot his own manager, Jackie Kallen, during a live interview which in my opinion is worse than anything Tyson has ever said in terms of threats. When Tyson makes threats it's usually understood to be some kind of outburst, he's blowing off steam. What Toney did was really crossing the line however.

Besides all the wrongdoings that Tyson has commited, he was almost always respectful towards his fallen opponents after a fight. Toney shows no such respect. Maybe he's never bitten off an ear but somehow his ****y behavior is worse to me. The way he talks to reporters, saying "g'day mate" in an australian accent when addressing a british reporter. The sombrero gag during the Ruiz press conference. There's something about it all that screams "I'm an ignorant fool and proud of it!"

I'll take Tyson any day over Toney as a person and a fighter.

He's a convicted rapist, has bit a piece of someoene's ear off in the ring, has sucker punched and bitten people at press conferences, has been in physical altercations with fans and cameramen, and said things that makes anything Toney's said seem like pillow talk.

I can't believe what you just wrote and are trying to sell.

Come off it.

Tyson makes Toney look like the Church Lady.

Rahman is not Guinn, I think he'll be putting a lot more pressure on Toney.

Have you seen the two fight?

Guinn averages way more punches thrown per round than Rahman. He's a much busier fighter.

Rahman putting pressure on Toney is exactly what he shouldn't do.

Using his jab to establish distance and to stay away. That's Rock's best chance.

He's a convicted rapist, has bit a piece of someoene's ear off in the ring, has sucker punched and bitten people at press conferences, has been in physical altercations with fans and cameramen, and said things that makes anything Toney's said seem like pillow talk.

I can't believe what you just wrote and are trying to sell.

Come off it.

Tyson makes Toney look like the Church Lady.


There is a difference though Bozo. Im not so sure Tyson can help it very much, he undoubtedly has some serious psychological problems. Toney consistently and willfully acts like a jerk and is clearly not crazy. Unless Toney is a psychopath but I doubt it.

Have you seen the two fight?

Guinn averages way more punches thrown per round than Rahman. He's a much busier fighter.

Rahman putting pressure on Toney is exactly what he shouldn't do.

Using his jab to establish distance and to stay away. That's Rock's best chance.
Yes, I've seen Guinn/Toney and was really impressed by Toney in that fight. Of course, that is really diminished by the fact that Guinn had 3 losses, 1 draw, and 2 wins in his last 6 fights. Rock's best chance is one big right hand, he can't outbox Toney and he knows it. I don't think he'll stay away.

Yes, I've seen Guinn/Toney and was really impressed by Toney in that fight. Of course, that is really diminished by the fact that Guinn had 3 losses, 1 draw, and 2 wins in his last 6 fights. Rock's best chance is one big right hand, he can't outbox Toney and he knows it. I don't think he'll stay away.


Trying to land a big right hand on Toney is a stupid idea. It's by far the most difficult shot to land on him.

Rock has height and reach to his advantage, and has a good jab.

His best chance is to use that reach, stick the jab, and not try to mix it up. If he does, he plays right into Toney's strengths.

Trying to land a big right hand on Toney is a stupid idea. It's by far the most difficult shot to land on him.

Rock has height and reach to his advantage, and has a good jab.

His best chance is to use that reach, stick the jab, and not try to mix it up. If he does, he plays right into Toney's strengths.
You think he'll be able to outbox Toney?

There is a difference though Bozo. Im not so sure Tyson can help it very much, he undoubtedly has some serious psychological problems. Toney consistently and willfully acts like a jerk and is clearly not crazy. Unless Toney is a psychopath but I doubt it.


The bottom line is that boxing is the hurt business, and everyone watching it is looking for Violence.

It attracts and cultivates the attitudes of guys like Tyson, who can be looked upon as the bad guy.

Toney has a big ego, and plays up disrespect for his opponents. That helps to sell fights, and helps him to get up for them mentally.

You think he'll be able to outbox Toney?

Not at all, but that's really his best chance. If he looks to stand and trade he's going to get beaten down and taken apart.

The best way to nullify what Toney does best is to stay away from him, not come to him.

Rahman has looked his best in the last five years in the first 6 rounds of the Tua fight when he was throwing 60 jabs a round. He was out of gas after that, but that was really the best he's looked since the one punch wonder.

He doesn't have a very good chance in this fight any way you look at it (barring a shocker), but coming to Toney and trying to hurt him is a particularly worse plan than others at his disposal.

i have the same exact feelings.
u also thought vargas had a chance vs mosley

Not at all, but that's really his best chance. If he looks to stand and trade he's going to get beaten down and taken apart.

The best way to nullify what Toney does best is to stay away from him, not come to him.

Rahman has looked his best in the last five years in the first 6 rounds of the Tua fight when he was throwing 60 jabs a round. He was out of gas after that, but that was really the best he's looked since the one punch wonder.

He doesn't have a very good chance in this fight any way you look at it (barring a shocker), but coming to Toney and trying to hurt him is a particularly worse plan than others at his disposal.
I just don't get it. People are making it out to sound like Rahman is nothing more than a slugger. He may have slugging tendencies, but Rahman has very fast hands for a heavyweight as well. He can and will mix it up if he decides to go toe-to-toe with Toney, which he WON'T be afraid to do. We're talking about a guy who has tasted the overhand right of Lennox Lewis and he's supposed to be afraid to slug with Toney??? Toney's only chance in this fight IMO is to pull a "Winky Wright" and block everything while concentrating on counters. I think Rahman wins this one by stoppage or KO.

u also thought vargas had a chance vs mosley

oh......my bad it was a blow out.:confused:

I just don't get it. People are making it out to sound like Rahman is nothing more than a slugger. He may have slugging tendencies, but Rahman has very fast hands for a heavyweight as well. He can and will mix it up if he decides to go toe-to-toe with Toney, which he WON'T be afraid to do. We're talking about a guy who has tasted the overhand right of Lennox Lewis and he's supposed to be afraid to slug with Toney??? Toney's only chance in this fight IMO is to pull a "Winky Wright" and block everything while concentrating on counters. I think Rahman wins this one by stoppage or KO.


I guess you missed Rahman vs Al "Ice" Cole and John Ruiz.

He's a plodding slugger who's underacheived most of his career.

Bringing the fight to a guy who's a much better and busier inside fighter is a bad idea anyway you look at it.

Should he be afraid of single shots from Toney? No, but if he stands on the inside it won't take long before he's broken down and taken apart.

The smartest thing he could do would be to fight outside of Toney's comfort zone, and that's moving and jabbing.

Achilles...you're speaking on Toney as if you and you family have met him...and before you even got to shake his hand he slapped your mother.

I have met James on two occasions as a young man and he was very nice to me and my father both times. Pretty much everything he does in the ring and leading up to the fight is a SHOW to market himself.

Have you ever actually spoken with him? Has he mistreated you in the past? I can't fathom someone trying to pass off Tyson as a more respectable human being than Toney, but whatever floats your boat...

Who wants to put a billion on this fight? Come one Rahman supporters...

Fix put your money where your yap is.

Who wants to put a billion on this fight? Come one Rahman supporters...

Fix put your money where your yap is.

I think that Toney will win, but **** it, It's on mofoker!!! :D

I think that Toney will win, but **** it, It's on mofoker!!! :D


hah...i'd like that in ten donations of 100 million points please ;)

lol, let's see.

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DAMN Rock is fit.James is in for a tough fight not only because of his weight,but because of the conditioning of his opponent.

I'll ask a similar question to you oldgringo, have you ever met Tyson? How do you form your opinions of Tyson if you haven't met him?

No I haven't met Tyson or Toney but having seen and read many interviews with both of them I can say that I respect Tyson more. When Tyson goes off on people I usually see a motive behind it. With Toney he appears to do it for the hell of it. It's drama for the sake of drama. I see Tyson as more sincere, just venting his inner frustrations whereas Toney is trying to get a rise out of people.

I'll ask a similar question to you oldgringo, have you ever met Tyson? How do you form your opinions of Tyson if you haven't met him?

No I haven't met Tyson or Toney but having seen and read many interviews with both of them I can say that I respect Tyson more. When Tyson goes off on people I usually see a motive behind it. With Toney he appears to do it for the hell of it. It's drama for the sake of drama. I see Tyson as more sincere, just venting his inner frustrations whereas Toney is trying to get a rise out of people.


Difference being Toney hasn't bitten off someone's ear after previously being convicted of rape. Don't play the "Tyson is a scarred individual so he deserves a break" angle on me now achilles.

So what was Tysons motive for saying he won't speak with women because he doesn't want to speak with someone he wants to fornicate with? Add sexist to the list of assholish personality traits? I just don't see how you're still trying to play it up like Toney is a bad guy. You have never met him, he hasn't committed any crimes, you simply can't stand him for personal reasons. That's cool and all, but quit with the **** about him being some ******* in real life when you've never met him or anything...

The crazy thing is...I find most of the **** Tyson has said in his interviews hilarious as pretty much everyone else has. It's just not reasonable trying to make Toney out to be the scum of the earth for coming into a fight in non-aesthetically pleasing shape.

I'll take the occasional sexist or outright psychotic comment over incessant trash talking, coming to fight looking like ****, and in general being a classless punk. Tyson's said some ****ty things and he's acted like a nut, but he's also done some great things too like donate money towards Kid Gavilan's grave, proven his sportsmanship against defeated opponents on a regular basis, and given credit to Lewis after receiving a huge ass whupping by the man's hands.

If Toney loses this fight, you know there won't be a shred of class in his reaction, just excuses and further disrespect.

If you go by the lowest of their lows, maybe Tyson comes off looking like the monster, but Toney is consistently a punk whereas Tyson elevates himself to something classy, admirable, and even likeable every now and then. With Toney I never see that.

I know styles make fights but I still get get passed how Holyfield was able to handle Rahman. I can't even get passed Ruiz, with as little boxing skills he has, was able to fight Rahman his style of fight.

Toney will likely have his way with Rahman, just as over the hill Holyfield and the clinching Ruiz was able to handle Rahman.

No I haven't met Tyson or Toney but having seen and read many interviews with both of them I can say that I respect Tyson more. When Tyson goes off on people I usually see a motive behind it. With Toney he appears to do it for the hell of it. It's drama for the sake of drama. I see Tyson as more sincere, just venting his inner frustrations whereas Toney is trying to get a rise out of people.


Would you drop it already? You've shot yourself in the foot acting all high and mighty talking about your disgust with Toney when you then turn around and try to justify Tyson's actions and popularity.

It's foolish. Tyson's a criminal, and has done many malicious physical acts towards his opponents, bystanders, and women.

You don't like Toney. Just say it and leave it at that.

Don't try to justify it with a self defeating ignorant line of logic.

:rolleyes:

I'll take the occasional sexist or outright psychotic comment over incessant trash talking, coming to fight looking like ****, and in general being a classless punk. Tyson's said some ****ty things and he's acted like a nut, but he's also done some great things too like donate money towards Kid Gavilan's grave, proven his sportsmanship against defeated opponents on a regular basis, and given credit to Lewis after receiving a huge ass whupping by the man's hands.

If Toney loses this fight, you know there won't be a shred of class in his reaction, just excuses and further disrespect.

If you go by the lowest of their lows, maybe Tyson comes off looking like the monster, but Toney is consistently a punk whereas Tyson elevates himself to something classy, admirable, and even likeable every now and then. With Toney I never see that.


i've had floaters give up their argument and flush down the bowl quicker than your incessant rimming of tyson's anus while you compliment him through your teeth.."youth arth ath greath perthonth mikth"

Thats the best shape i've ever seen Rahman in, this fight could be very interesting.

i've had floaters give up their argument and flush down the bowl quicker than your incessant rimming of tyson's anus while you compliment him through your teeth.."youth arth ath greath perthonth mikth"
I'm not trying to defend achilles, but he's certainly not a fan of Tyson, i can say that much.

Rahman is bigger because he is a full grown hw not a middleweight turned heavyweight by countless buffets.

Rahman looks like a powerful bull, Toney some bald cornerman with a gut. Maybe even the guy who carries the spit bucket.

Still have to favor Toney but he doesn't bear a passing resemblance to an athlete. The only definition on his body is the six pack of oscar mayer weiners on the back of his neck.

Seriously, the lack of pride he takes in his health and fitness is an embarrassment to his sport. Garbage in, garbage out, as it is often said. An athlete cannot succeed forever eating and abusing his body like Toney does.

If there's any justice in the world, Rahman knocks him out in the name of work ethic and for the good of boxing. Toney is a nasty, hateful guy who disrespects everyone in the sport, including himself, with the lousy shape he's showed up in.

I could care less about disrespecting Toney because he shows no respect for anyone else on the planet. A man like that is undeserving of honor and is owed nothing by anyone.

If Toney is interested in getting in shape and giving the sport his all, than good for him. If he can learn some humility and respect for others, I am all ready to be a fan. The way he is now though, and at 37 years old he probably won't change, **** him.

Great post KA. I agree with everything. The saddest thing about it all IMO - is that he's a role model and some kids emulate his disrespecting ways and think it's cool. I'd love to be a fan of Toney but everytime he opens his mouth his verbal **** storm ruins what he's done in the ring. Some people even worship Toney for his lack of class. He can't retire early enough IMO and I hope rock kicks his ass.

Toney will knock Rahman's punk ass out.

Toney TKO 11.

Don't let the physiques sway you.
how can you say this ? hes never knocked out a legitamate heavey weight.

hah...i'd like that in ten donations of 100 million points please ;)

Lucky mofoker... :rolleyes: