View Full Version : Floyd Mayweather and Bernard Hopkins – A difference of opinion


borikua
01-26-2005, 03:05 PM
By Rob Scott (January 26, 2005)
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Bernard Hopkins
There is an old saying which goes “Every man is great – in his dreams”. That is ‘Pretty Boy’ Floyd Mayweather’s belief whether he is wide awake or if he is catching Z's. Ask him who he feels is the #1 fighter in the game today and he will, without hesitation, say he reigns supreme. Undisputed middleweight champion Bernard Hopkins, 45-2-1 (32), feels that Mayweather must indeed be sleeping if he thinks that he is the best. Both fighters have ample reasons for their beliefs, but there can only be one #1.

This past Saturday Floyd Mayweather, 33-0 (22), put on a boxing clinic against unheralded Henry Bruseles of Puerto Rico in a tune-up for a proposed pay-per-view fight with Arturo Gatti later this year. Mayweather showed speed, elusiveness, deceptive power and ring generalship, but you can’t help but hear and see the question “Who is Henry Bruseles?” from his naysayers and various scribes.

The reality of both Hopkins and Mayweather is at this point both are like science projects. Both are under the microscope. Who’s quicker? Who’s stronger? Who has the better chin? Who has faced the stiffer competition? These and many more questions surround all who are and want to be the best. At certain points in the past #1s may have been head and shoulders above their competition; there was a distinct disparity in the #1 and #2 fighters. The differences in Mayweather and Hopkins aren’t as distinct as yesteryear. The reality is there are only minute differences in reasoning as to who deserves the top spot.

Hopkins holds knockout wins over Felix Trinidad and Oscar DeLaHoya; he was the very first fighter to hold all four middleweight title belts. All this happened in his late thirties and with him turning forty a couple of weeks ago, Hopkins doesn’t seem to have slowed down. At forty, Hopkins still fights as if he is in his twenties. On February 19th in Los Angeles’ Staple Centre Hopkins is making an unprecedented 20th title defense against Howard Eastman, 40-1 (34), of England. While not an American household name, and for that reason many are overlooking him, Eastman presents a very legitimate challenge to Hopkins and his quest for his twentieth defense. A Hopkins victory definitely shouldn’t be downplayed and put in a class with his victory over Morrade Hakkar.

Mayweather has held world titles in two different weight classes. In an effort to show that he is the best, and with absolutely nothing to prove at the 130 and 135 pound weight classes, he has ascended to the 140-pound weight class to make his mark and has issued challenges to the elite as far up as the 154lbs division. Mayweather has faced the most consistent array of quality fighters out of anyone on the modern pound-for-pound lists. While attending the post-fight press conference for the Mayweather and DeMarcus ‘Chop-Chop’ Corley bout, I asked Corley about comments that he made before the fight in reference to Mayweather’s lack of size and more over power in moving up in weight. After being sent to the canvas twice, Corley had to say that Floyd indeed has power that should be respected. All questions of whether he can deal with the bigger guys are being answered with every fight. The question may be whether they can deal with him and his unquestionable talents.

Just who is Henry Bruseles? This question shouldn’t even be asked. All fighters deserve a soft touch opponent every now and then; Henry Bruseles and Morrade Hakkar shouldn’t be used against Mayweather and Hopkins just because they are recent appearances on their boxing dossier.

I think back on when Shane Mosley and Roy Jones were considered the very best. Their performances resembled how things were, in essence, supposed to be. The thought was if a class A fighter faces a class B fighter, then the superior fighter should just go in and get the job done. When Mosley faced the likes of Shannon Taylor and Adrian Stone, and Jones made his assorted defenses, they totally out classed their opponents. Their true opposition was against the very best. Both Hopkins and Mayweather share an opposite distinctness from both Mosley and Jones in their performances; while they are always on their A-game, Hopkins and Mayweather put on A+ performances when it is needed. It’s when someone doubts their chances that they rise to unequaled heights – just ask Felix Trinidad and Diego Corrales. In those fights Hopkins and Mayweather made these A class fighters look like Z fighters.

This year could be a definite changing of the guard; in contrast, Hopkins has said that this will be his last year and Mayweather’s youth gives him years of further action. Unless Hopkins moves up, or lands the winner of Felix Trinidad and ‘Winky’ Wright, significant match-ups will be scarce. The sky is the limit for Mayweather’s choices; names like Kostya Tszyu, Miguel Cotto, Vivian Harris and even DeLaHoya and Mosley are all definite possibilities in Floyd’s future. To remain at the top both are willing to do what it takes.

It seems that as the old cliché goes, "The only thing that can beat these fighters are themselves". Their disparity in weight prevents us from seeing these two face one another in the ring to see who truly is the best. Hopkins has his believers; Mayweather has his believers; both believe in themselves. Who is truly #1 and who is just having delusions of grandeur?

The Fix
01-26-2005, 03:08 PM
based on skill id give it to pbf but on accomplishments as well as great skill id say b-hop

Floydmayweather
01-26-2005, 04:23 PM
Floyd has fought better competiton and is at a higher skill level but Hopkins has stayed on top for so long. He is #1 for now but by the end of the year i think Floyd could be P4p #1 if he beats Zoo.

Link
01-26-2005, 05:59 PM
Floyd has fought better competiton and is at a higher skill level but Hopkins has stayed on top for so long. He is #1 for now but by the end of the year i think Floyd could be P4p #1 if he beats Zoo.
You really are an idiot. Floyd has fought better competition? So N'dou, Corley, and Bruseles are better competition? Are you that bad of a boxer that getting hit that many times actually caused mental retardation? Bernard knocked out Trinidad and won every second of every round, he also fought Roy Jones and lost by one round, don't forget that Bernard knocked out De La Hoya, and Glencoffe Johnson. All Floyd every holds on to is that one big win against chico "glass jaw" corrales.

spinksjinx
01-26-2005, 08:16 PM
You really are an idiot. Floyd has fought better competition? So N'dou, Corley, and Bruseles are better competition? Are you that bad of a boxer that getting hit that many times actually caused mental retardation? Bernard knocked out Trinidad and won every second of every round, he also fought Roy Jones and lost by one round, don't forget that Bernard knocked out De La Hoya, and Glencoffe Johnson. All Floyd every holds on to is that one big win against chico "glass jaw" corrales.


No sir you are an idiot, Bernard made a HUGE mistake in fighting Jones the way he did. Bernard like every other victim of Roy's decided to stay on the outside and fight Roy that is a no no, I had the margin a lot more widespread than one round. As for the competition levels. Corley and N'dou WAS decent fights for Mayweather, they were top tier fighters. Bernard has had his moments and Mayweather has had his. Hell Bernard made 3 defense for his titles fighting the same guy over and over and completely dominated him each and every time (Robert Allen).

Mayweathers top tier fighters:
Corley
N'dou
Sosa
Castillo
Chavez
Hernandez
Corrales
Manfredy

All of these fighters are Top level fighters and that cant be denied and Mayweather dominated all of them.

Bernards claim to fame:
Trinidad
De la hoya
Joppy
Echols
Johnson

Now tell me sir, which list looks to be more top level?

MetalVomit
01-26-2005, 08:34 PM
No sir you are an idiot, Bernard made a HUGE mistake in fighting Jones the way he did. Bernard like every other victim of Roy's decided to stay on the outside and fight Roy that is a no no, I had the margin a lot more widespread than one round. As for the competition levels. Corley and N'dou WAS decent fights for Mayweather, they were top tier fighters. Bernard has had his moments and Mayweather has had his. Hell Bernard made 3 defense for his titles fighting the same guy over and over and completely dominated him each and every time (Robert Allen).

Mayweathers top tier fighters:
Corley
N'dou
Sosa
Castillo
Chavez
Hernandez
Corrales
Manfredy

All of these fighters are Top level fighters and that cant be denied and Mayweather dominated all of them.

Bernards claim to fame:
Trinidad
De la hoya
Joppy
Echols
Johnson

Now tell me sir, which list looks to be more top level?


You make good points, but N'dou and Corley are average. I think Im gonna make a ****in thread about this, especially Corley.

Zaphod
01-26-2005, 09:31 PM
These guys are two very different fighters, with very different career histories. Saying either of them hasn't fought real opponents is disrispectful to both of them and their opponenets, many of whom were very talented top 10 in their division fighters. Not every fight can be between all time greats. That said, B-Hop has done more, but is on the way out, he's almost 40. He'll beat Eastman and maybe take 1-2 more fights, but I think his success lately has been much like Roys last few victories; won more through his opponents warriness of their talent than due to the talent itself. If someone really tries to pressure Bernard, he'll have a tough time.

Floyd, on the other hand, has plenty of time left in his career, and as much as I hate him as a human being, no one has the speed to match up against him now, period. I can't think of anyone below 160 who I'd favor to beat him outside of Hopkins, Trinidad, or mmmaaaaaayybe Wright. If he loses it will be to someone with more power than he can handle catching him with one clean shot. If he had stayed at 135 or even 130, he would have beatne anyone and everyone.

wmute
01-26-2005, 09:36 PM
You really are an idiot. Floyd has fought better competition? So N'dou, Corley, and Bruseles are better competition? Are you that bad of a boxer that getting hit that many times actually caused mental retardation? Bernard knocked out Trinidad and won every second of every round, he also fought Roy Jones and lost by one round, don't forget that Bernard knocked out De La Hoya, and Glencoffe Johnson. All Floyd every holds on to is that one big win against chico "glass jaw" corrales.

mayweather has fought better competition in his career, all the way: chavez,hernandez,castillo(x2),corrales...

hopkins did not lose to jones by one round, 116-112 is not one round, if you don't agree with the (unaminous) scoring let me know which 5 rounds you gave hop (unluckily I don't have the fight where I live now, so I cannot argue as of now, but let me know and if you want I will let yo know my scoring in june (I am serious))

also jones was fighting with an injured hand, and you can see it from the tape

he KOed, dlh, big time... dlh started at 130
oh he koed glencoffe johnson... so what? is he a great fighter
glass-jawed corrales was stopped several times right, and freitas has no power, right?

that being said pbf recent level of competition sucks, as dose hopkins.

they are both great fighters, recently untested let's hope eastman proves some threat.

and mayweather fights someone next

Floydmayweather
01-26-2005, 09:39 PM
Hopkins did not lose by one round either did u even see the fight?

MetalVomit
01-26-2005, 10:09 PM
Hopkins did not lose by one round either did u even see the fight?


Yeah, i think Roy beat him pretty handily.

SweetScience
01-26-2005, 11:46 PM
The Jones injured hand thing was blown out of proportion.

wmute
01-27-2005, 01:08 AM
The Jones injured hand thing was blown out of proportion.

more or less than hopkins being too "green"?

dino
01-27-2005, 04:55 AM
mayweather is the best pound for pound fighter...hopkins claim to fame is blown up welterweights

Pullcounter
01-27-2005, 09:50 AM
PBF > Hops. Hops is still riding high on the Tito win, but Tito isn't even that great a boxer, just a very very good slugger. The DLH/Hops fight was meaningless. Hops' record is not any better than PBF's, it's just that he has an impressive # of title defense, but PBF moved up in weight so that neutralizes each other out. Hops during this point of pbf's career was not as accomplished nor did he have any huge wins. Technique and stylewise PBF > HOps.

SweetScience
01-27-2005, 07:19 PM
more or less than hopkins being too "green"?

I say both were green, but Roy's "hurt hand" is part of fighting. In a fight injury can happen, like Tyson's last fight. Only that fight had a legitimate injury, providing with evidence.

Knicksman20
01-27-2005, 08:04 PM
I really believe Roy hurt his hand in that fight. I have that fight at home & I could count on one hand how many right hands Roy threw with any kinda power. He fought Hops with lead off lefts & went southpaw more than he ever did in any of his fights since. Anyone could definitely make a case for PBF to be number 1 because od how he's challenged himself & moved up in weight & been very successful. Hops hasn't challenged himself with moving up in weight or fighting a serious contender that could give him a tough fight. maybe Eastman might provide a little challenge but the last tough opponent for Hops I remember was Antwun Echols.

SweetScience
01-27-2005, 08:56 PM
Fighters that move up in weight is due to the fact, they can't make the weight anymore. They're bodies mature and therefore can't make weight. Fighters like Tszyu and Hopkins, are one weight fighters...just take a look how old they are. They have the same body they had years ago.

Btw, Floyd hasn't did anything special in the last 3 years. I hope he doesn't turnout to be the next Roy Jones, taking easy fights for easy money.

{BrownBomber}
01-27-2005, 09:17 PM
No sir you are an idiot, Bernard made a HUGE mistake in fighting Jones the way he did. Bernard like every other victim of Roy's decided to stay on the outside and fight Roy that is a no no, I had the margin a lot more widespread than one round. As for the competition levels. Corley and N'dou WAS decent fights for Mayweather, they were top tier fighters. Bernard has had his moments and Mayweather has had his. Hell Bernard made 3 defense for his titles fighting the same guy over and over and completely dominated him each and every time (Robert Allen).

Mayweathers top tier fighters:
Corley
N'dou
Sosa
Castillo
Chavez
Hernandez
Corrales
Manfredy

All of these fighters are Top level fighters and that cant be denied and Mayweather dominated all of them.

Bernards claim to fame:
Trinidad
De la hoya
Joppy
Echols
Johnson

Now tell me sir, which list looks to be more top level?
I disagree on one guy there.The 2nd fight with Castillo could have gone either way, and the first one.... I dont see how Floyd won that one at all.

dcgun
02-20-2005, 09:03 AM
Fair argument. Thought Tsyzu would also have a strong case certainly above Mayweather in terms of accomplishment. Judging by Hopkins performance against Eastman you could argue Tszyu is currently the p4p king.

Truth
02-20-2005, 09:07 AM
based on skill id give it to pbf but on accomplishments as well as great skill id say b-hop

That's how I think because Floyd has not accomplished as much as Hopkins has YET. :boxing:

MetalVomit
02-20-2005, 09:57 AM
based on skill id give it to pbf but on accomplishments as well as great skill id say b-hop

Floyd has more natural talent. I dont think there is a fighter in the game as skilled as Hopkins. He has all the tools.

Easy-E
07-16-2005, 08:46 PM
floyd beat castillo handily, in the fight and on the scorecards, your letting your bias get in the way. In regards to the hopkins mayweather battle and who has fought better competition.
id say that they both have fought great fighters, but floyd has dominated his opponents, while hopkins wins are mostly by decision. However, hopkins is a champ, mayweather is not... yet. He has the crown for now

run_for_your_effing_life
07-16-2005, 09:42 PM
No one in the game has as much skill as floyd period......

dgraham1282
05-15-2007, 05:48 AM
You really are an idiot. Floyd has fought better competition? So N'dou, Corley, and Bruseles are better competition? Are you that bad of a boxer that getting hit that many times actually caused mental retardation? Bernard knocked out Trinidad and won every second of every round, he also fought Roy Jones and lost by one round, don't forget that Bernard knocked out De La Hoya, and Glencoffe Johnson. All Floyd every holds on to is that one big win against chico "glass jaw" corrales.
and he beat Castillo twice what the hell do you know about boxing
and he also beat Sosa,Chavez,Hernandez,Manfredy,Hernandez all fighter with two or fewer losses till they met Mayweather

Catherine
05-15-2007, 05:57 AM
way to bump a two year old thread guys.