Talk about murdering someone on wax... haha. Tupac would have been lynched.

They did respond to 2pac's diss.

Biggie put subiminal disses in alot of his tracks.
Nas responded to 2pac on The Message.

One thing I don't like about Nas is he is always on Pac's nuts just like he used to accuse Jay-z of doing with B.I.G.

People underate Tupac lyrically. And BIG and Nas didn't want it with Pac, Nas had too much respect for him. I read a story about Pac calling out Nas in park in New York and Nas didn't do anything. I'm not hating on Nas, I'm a Nas fan but I'm just saying he had too much respect for Pac to talk **** back. Also Nas and Pac made peace right before Pac got shot.


2Pac was a special person. Its 2006, Pac was murdered in 1996 and were still talking about him. Thats crazy, most rappers would have been forgotten about by now. **** some colleges even use some of his poetry in classes...

Yeah biggies "who shot ya" was indirect. But I know he would have murdered Tupac on wax. and Easily. All he had to do was talking about Tupac dancing his way into rap.

What I don't like about Nas is that hes on Pacs nuts and Pac hated him.
They did respond to 2pac's diss.

Biggie put subiminal disses in alot of his tracks.
Nas responded to 2pac on The Message.

One thing I don't like about Nas is he is always on Pac's nuts just like he used to accuse Jay-z of doing with B.I.G.

Yeah biggies "who shot ya" was indirect. But I know he would have murdered Tupac on wax. and Easily. All he had to do was talking about Tupac dancing his way into rap.

What I don't like about Nas is that hes on Pacs nuts and Pac hated him.

Nas respects 2Pac, most people in the rap game do. Stop hating on Pac... :D (You can tell Flyyy is a Biggie fan :) ).

Yeah biggies "who shot ya" was indirect. But I know he would have murdered Tupac on wax. and Easily. All he had to do was talking about Tupac dancing his way into rap.

What I don't like about Nas is that hes on Pacs nuts and Pac hated him.

We don't really know anything since their both deceased and it never happened. Biggie probably could have dissed Tupac good, Biggie is one of the greatest.

Tupac's hit em up was the most umimaginitive diss I have ever heard and I have heard freestyle's with more potency and venom.

He's a rapper. He's supposed to be good with words and he says "**** you"?????

That's weak. Nas and Biggie would have murdered him with a freestyle.
We don't really know anything since their both deceased and it never happened. But yeah Biggie could have got at Pac pretty good, since he is a great rapper aswell.

Tupac's hit em up was the most umimaginitive diss I have ever heard and I have heard freestyle's with more potency and venom.

He's a rapper. He's supposed to be good with words and he says "**** you"?????

That's weak. Nas and Biggie would have murdered him with a freestyle.

They might have, but they didn't. And Biggie and Pac are both gone now so why talk about their beef anyway? Lets talk about how they are both great rappers and als remember Pac and Big were orginally friends. Imagine if they would have callaborated more? :cool:

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Also Nas and Pac made peace right before Pac got shot.

That's what Nas says to grab Pac fans and justify him being on the Pac remake albums.

Pac actually said he went up to Nas and tried to tell Nas he didn't have any beef with him but I guess Nas didn't think so at the time. Pac even said that he liked Mobb Deep but they went and dissed him so he went at them.

This is what you call a diss track these other guys try but don't come close.







"Hit 'Em Up"

[Tupac]

I ain't got no mutha ****in friends
Thats why I ****ed your *****
You fat mutha-****a {Take Money}
West Side
Bad Boy Killers {Take Money}
You know who the realist is
*****s we bring it to {Take Money}
(ha ha, that's alright)

First off, **** your *****
And the click you claim
West side when we ride
Come equipped with game
You claim to be a playa
But, I ****ed your wife
We bust on Bad Boys
*****s **** for Life
Plus Puffy tryin' to see me weak
Hearts I rip
Biggie Smalls and Junior Mafia
Some mark ass *****es
We keep on coming
While we running for yah jewels
Steady gunning
Keep on busting at them fools
You know the rules
Little Ceasar go ask you homie
How i'll leave yah
Cut your young ass up
See yah in pieces
Now be deceased
Little Kim,
Don't **** around with real G's
Quick to snatch your ugly ass, off the streets
So **** peace
I'll let them *****s know
It's on for Life
Don't let the west side
Ride the night (ha ha)
Bad Boys murdered on Wax and kill
**** with me
And get your caps peeled
You know, See

[Chorus]

Grab your glocks when you see 2pac
Call the cops when you see 2pac, Uhh
Who shot me,
But, your punks didn't finish
Now, you 'bout to feel the wrath of a menace
*****, I hit 'em up

Check this out
You mutha-****as know what time it is
I don't know why I'm even on this track
Y'all *****s ain't even on my level
I'm going to let my little homies
Ride on yah
***** made ass Bad Boys *****es
{ahh yo, yo, hold the **** up}

Get out the way yo
Get out the way yo
Biggie Smalls just got dropped
Little move pa*s the mac
And let me hit 'em in his back
Frank White needs to get spanked right
For setting up traps
Little accident murderers
And I ain't never heard of yah
Poise less gats attack when I'm serving yah
Spank the shank
Your whole style when I gank
Guard your rank
Cause I'm a slam your ass in a pang
Puffy weaker than a ****in' block
I'm running through *****
And I'm smoking Junior Mafia
In front of yah *****
With the ready power
Tucked in my Guess
Under my Eddie Bower
Your clout petty sour
I push packages ever hour
I hit 'em up

[Chorus]

Grab your glocks when you see 2pac
Call the cops when you see 2pac, Uhh
Who shot me,
But, your punks didn't finish
Now, you 'bout to feel the wrath of a menace
*****, We hit 'em up

Peep how we do it
Keep it real
Its penitentiary steel
This ain't no freestyle battle
All you *****s getting killed
With your mouths open
Tryin' to come up off of me
You and the clouds hoping
Smoking dope
It's like a Shermine
*****s think they learned to fly
But they burn mutha-****a you deserve to die
Talking about you Getting Money
But its funny to me
All you *****s living bummy
While you ****ing with me?
I'm a self made Millionaire
Thug livin', out of prison
Pistols in the Air {Air} (Ha Ha)
Biggie remember when I use to let you sleep on the couch
And beg the ***** to let you sleep in the house
Now its all about versace
You copied my style
Five shots couldn't drop me
I took it and smiled
Now I'm back to set the record straight
With my A-K
I'm still the thug that you love to hate
Mutha-****a I'll Hit 'Em Up

I'm from N E W Jers.
Where plenty of murder occurs
No points to come
We bring drama to all you herds
Now go check the scenerio
Little Ceas'
I'll bring you fake G's to yah knees
Copin' pleas with these
Little Kim is yah
Coked up or doped up
Get your little Junior Whopper click smoked up
What the ****?
Is you stupid?
I take money,
crash and mash through Brooklyn
With my click looting, shooting, and polluting your block
With fifteen shot,
****ed glock to your knot
Outlaw Mafia click moving up another notch
And your Pop stars popped and get dropped and mopped
And all your fake ass east coast props
Brainstormed and locked

You'se a beat biter
Pac style taker
I'll tell you to face, you ain't nothing **** but a faker
So fill the Alize with a chaser
'bout to get murdered for the paper
E.d.i I mean post the scene of the caper
Like a loc, with little Ceas' in a choke (uhh)
Toting smoke, we ain't no mutha-****in' joke
Thug Life, *****s better be known
Be approaching
In the wide open, gun smoking
No need for hoping
It's a battle lost
I gottem crossed as soon as the funk is bopping off
*****, I hit 'em up

Now you tell me who won
I see them, they run (ha ha)
They don't wanna see us
Whole Junior Mafia click
Dressing up to be us
How the **** they gonna be the Mob?
When we always on out job
We millionaire's
Killing ain't fair
But somebody got to do it

Oh yah Mobb Deep (uhh)
You wanna **** with us
You Little young ass mutha-****as
Don't one of you *****s got sickle-cell or something
You ****ing with me, ***** ?
You **** around and catch a seizure or a heart-attack
You better back the **** up
Before you get smacked the **** up
This is how we do it on our side
Any of you *****s from New York that want to bring it,
Bring it.
But we ain't singing,
We bringing drama
**** you and your mother ****ing mama.
We gonna kill all you mother ****ers.
Now when I came out, I told you it was just about biggie.
Then everybody had to open their mouth with a mother ****in opinion
Well this is how we gon' do this:
**** Mobb Deep,
**** Biggie,
**** Bad Boy as a staff, record label, and as a mother ****in crew.
And if you want to be down with Bad Boy,
Then **** you too.
Chino XL, **** you too.
All you mother ****ers,
**** you too.
(take money, take money)
All of y'all mother ****ers,
**** you, die slow mother ****er.
My fo' fo' (.44 magnum) make sure all yo' kids don't grow.
You mother ****ers can't be us or see us.
We mother ****in' Thug Life riders.
West Side till' we die.
Out here in California, *****
We warned ya'
We'll bomb on you mother ****ers.
We do our job.
You think you the mob, *****, we the mother ****in' mob
Ain't nuttin' but killers
And the real *****s, all you mother ****ers feel us.
Our **** goes triple and four quadruple
You *****s laugh cuz our staff got guns under they mother ****in' belts
You know how it is and we drop records they felt
You *****s can't feel it
We the realist
**** 'em.
We Bad Boy killas.

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That's weak. So creativity what so ever.

Quit hatin.

That's weak. So creativity what so ever.

I respect your opinion. But one thing you can't deny is that most in the hip hop community look at "hit em' up" as a classic. I have a question what would BIG or Nas do that would be more creative? They would spit some more gangsta **** only maybe the lyrics would be better.

I respect your opinion. But one thing you can't deny is that most in the hip hop community look at "hit em' up" as a classic. I have a question what would BIG or Nas do that would be more creative? They would spit some more gangsta **** only maybe the lyrics would be better.
Now the year's new, I lay my game flat
I want my spot back, take two
Mother****ers mad cause I blew, *****z envious
Too many *****z on my dick, **** strenuous
When my men bust, you just move wit such stamina
Slugs missed ya, I ain't mad at cha (we ain't mad at cha)

Now the year's new, I lay my game flat
I want my spot back, take two
Mother****ers mad cause I blew, *****z envious
Too many *****z on my dick, **** strenuous
When my men bust, you just move wit such stamina
Slugs missed ya, I ain't mad at cha (we ain't mad at cha)

Okay, better lyrics but still the kind of stuff. I know BIG and Nas can write better. Anyone that says Pac is the greatest is talking about the way he said things and how many people he touched.

Nas and BIG spit better lyrically, but 2Pac was good too...

"With all this extra stressin
The question I wonder is after death, after my last breath
When will I finaly get to rest? Through this supression
they punish the people that's askin questions
And those that possess, steal from the ones without possesions
The message I stress: to make it stop study your lessons
Don't settle for less - even the genius asks-es questions
Be grateful for blessings
Don't ever change, keep your essence
The power is in the people and politics we address
Always do your best, don't let the pressure make you panic
And when you get stranded
And things don't go the way you planned it
Dreamin of riches, in a position of makin a difference
Politicians and hypocrites, they don't wanna listen
If I'm insane, it's the fame made a brother change
It wasn't nuttin like the game
It's just me against the world..."2-Pac

Okay, better lyrics but still the kind of stuff. I know BIG and Nas can write better. Anyone that says Pac is the greatest is talking about the way he said things and how many people he touched.aint that **** clever though?

aint that **** clever though?

Hell yeah, but I'm just saying at the end of the day its the same type of **** you, I'll kill you **** that Pac was saying only Biggie did it in a more lyrical way. BIG is lyrically better than Pac. Props to him for that, but lets be foolish enough to think 2Pac was not a creative rapper...

Hell yeah, but I'm just saying at the end of the day its the same type of **** you, I'll kill you **** that Pac was saying only Biggie did it in a more lyrical way. BIG is lyrically better than Pac. Props to him for that, but lets be foolish enough to think 2Pac was not a creative rapper...
creative, there has been more creative.


influential, maybe the most influential rapper of all time..

creative, there has been more creative.


influential, maybe the most influential rapper of all time..

I respect that...Hey Fix hows that new Ghostface?

I respect that...Hey Fix hows that new Ghostface?
it drops on the 28th from what i heard..


the advance is insane but its missing quite a bit of songs, ghost is bringing it back with this album...

I have to check that out. If Wu Tang came back I would buy their album. I hope they do another group album.

I have to check that out. If Wu Tang came back I would buy their album. I hope they do another group album.
they will be one man short, i would love another album but its going to be different without ol dirty... :(

they will be one man short, i would love another album but its going to be different without ol dirty... :(

Yeah its terrible that he passed...RIP ODB.

Nas and Big lyrically much better IMO, Pac still a legend and I respect him a lot. Passin on the creativity part, I see Hit Em Up as top 5 diss tracks all time.

Yeah its terrible that he passed...RIP ODB.
its wierd that he is actaully gone....

Nas and Big lyrically much better IMO, Pac still a legend and I respect him a lot. Passin on the creativity part, I see Hit Em Up as top 5 diss tracks all time.

I agree with that. And thats a respectful opinion because your not hating. :cool:

Pac is like Scarface. They both use everyday vocabulary and still come hard. They don't need to use dictionary rhymes and clever wordplay to bring heat.

Hit Em Up is one of the best diss of all time in my opinion. I respect that Pac came out and just said what he wanted to and not beat around the bush. Subliminal disses are for the weak. If you're going to diss someone come out and say it don't bull**** around it.

Like K-Rino says

If I got beef with a grown man then I'm a say his name clean
I wouldn't care if you were underground, local or mainstream

There was ZERO creativity in that diss. A school girl could have said I ****ed your mom. NO CREATIVITY. He's supposed to be good with words and all he can say is I ****ed your wife?
Quit hatin.

No CREATIVITY with Tupac. "**** YOU **** YOUR MOM **** YOUR BABYS MAMA." That's all he could come up with.
Now the year's new, I lay my game flat
I want my spot back, take two
Mother****ers mad cause I blew, *****z envious
Too many *****z on my dick, **** strenuous
When my men bust, you just move wit such stamina
Slugs missed ya, I ain't mad at cha (we ain't mad at cha)

No CREATIVITY with Tupac. "**** YOU **** YOUR MOM **** YOUR BABYS MAMA." That's all he could come up with.

Calm down, we know, you have said it couple times.lol:D

I was watching freestyle friday and the last chickenhead that won 5 or however many contests in a row had some guy off the top of his head say "your snatch is as wide as Mario's nose." Hahaha. More creative and funny than Tupac's **** which he sat down and wrote.
Pac is like Scarface. They both use everyday vocabulary and still come hard. They don't need to use dictionary rhymes and clever wordplay to bring heat.

Hit Em Up is one of the best diss of all time in my opinion. I respect that Pac came out and just said what he wanted to and not beat around the bush. Subliminal disses are for the weak. If you're going to diss someone come out and say it don't bull**** around it.

Like K-Rino says

If I got beef with a grown man then I'm a say his name clean
I wouldn't care if you were underground, local or mainstream

I was watching freestyle friday and the last chickenhead that won 5 or however many contests in a row had some guy off the top of his head say "your snatch is as wide as Mario's nose." Hahaha. More creative and funny than Tupac's **** which he sat down and wrote.

If you say that lame ass line is more creative than anything Pac has spit than you're just hating.

In the Hit Em Up track... yes more creative.
If you say that lame ass line is more creative than anything Pac has spit than you're just hating.

Talk about murdering someone on wax... haha. Tupac would have been lynched.

If those guys had went at Pac for real, it we would be missin' more rappers than just Pac and Big. Don't forget these two had a whole coast ready to go to war.On the mic and in the streets.A few East Coast artist resonded(props to CNN for not takin' no s**t), but a lot of them knew what it was, somebody was going to get hurt.But as far as the lyrical battle Big did his thing, Nas could've if he wanted to but Pac had such a grip over hip hop at that time it would've been hard for anyone to take him down. Even Big.

Biggie and Nas would both lyrically murder 2pac on wax. Hit em up is a decent diss track but many people overrate it by saying its one of the best. I just can't see how hit em up is that good when the whole song, he says **** you over and over. There's just no creativity in the diss.

You are so right. "**** you" "**** your mom" "I ****ed your wife". It's been said for centuries. Tupac's supposed to be good with words and this is all he could come up with?

Nas in "Ether" used FAR less expletives but his diss was brutal to Jay.. why? Because it was TRUE, potent and creative.
Biggie and Nas would both lyrically murder 2pac on wax. Hit em up is a decent diss track but many people overrate it by saying its one of the best. I just can't see how hit em up is that good when the whole song, he says **** you over and over. There's just no creativity in the diss.

Yeah biggies "who shot ya" was indirect. But I know he would have murdered Tupac on wax. and Easily. All he had to do was talking about Tupac dancing his way into rap.

There was no ****ing way for BIG to come back after that "You claim to be a player, but I ****ed your wife" line! I mean the ****in beef ended right there honestly, cause it wasn't **** BIG could say EVER that could top that ****... period.

Nas might have been able to get at Pac, but like dude said above he had too much respect for Pac.

You are so right. "**** you" "**** your mom" "I ****ed your wife". It's been said for centuries. Tupac's supposed to be good with words and this is all he could come up with?

Nas in "Ether" used FAR less expletives but his diss was brutal to Jay.. why? Because it was TRUE, potent and creative.

It was true that Pac boned Faith! I mean honestly he made BIG look like a BIG ***** with that line. Lyrical or not he smashed his fat ass with that *****...

Anybody else?

There are some hip hop posters here who are silent in this thread.

Yeah, Nas and Biggie would both rip him up lyrically but then again they wouldn't have much dirt on him other then Pac going to a ballet school when he was younger. 2pac had all that charisma hence all the mainstream fans would view him as the victor but the real hip hop heads would of probably agreed that nas and biggie murdered him lyrically.

He cracked on himself harder than Tupac ever could:

“Me and Gutter had two spots
The two for five dollar hits, the blue tops
Gotta go, Coolio mean it's gettin "Too Hot"
If Faith had twins, she'd probably have two-Pac's
Get it? .. Tu-pac's”

Biggie would've eaten him.

Yeah, Nas and Biggie would both rip him up lyrically but then again they wouldn't have much dirt on him other then Pac going to a ballet school when he was younger. 2pac had all that charisma hence all the mainstream fans would view him as the victor but the real hip hop heads would of probably agreed that nas and biggie murdered him lyrically.

Tupac is a Media created thug...wtf are you talking about?
He only started doing bad stuff after he got famous for publicity. How about him getting raped in jail and shot in he nuts?
"Heard through the grapevine you got ****ed four times..."
Oh yeah, His mom was a crackhead too. Lmao!

Edit: And how about that nose ring?

They did respond to 2pac's diss.

Biggie put subiminal disses in alot of his tracks.
Nas responded to 2pac on The Message.

One thing I don't like about Nas is he is always on Pac's nuts just like he used to accuse Jay-z of doing with B.I.G.
Them dudes wanted nothing to do with Pac on the mic...nas was a punk and biggie was his homie...Pac murdered the East Coast...nas, biggie, mobb deep, jay-z, etc....Hit em up.....go listen to the track again playa

Actually Biggie took the East coast back to the top of rap. And the east has been holding it since.

Yes, Tupac's nose rings are a little troubling to say the least.
Them dudes wanted nothing to do with Pac on the mic...nas was a punk and biggie was his homie...Pac murdered the East Coast...nas, biggie, mobb deep, jay-z, etc....Hit em up.....go listen to the track again playa

Tupac is a Media created thug...wtf are you talking about?
He only started doing bad stuff after he got famous for publicity. How about him getting raped in jail and shot in he nuts?
"Heard through the grapevine you got ****ed four times..."
Oh yeah, His mom was a crackhead too. Lmao!

Edit: And how about that nose ring?
He never even claimed he was a thug, he said 'I'm just rapping about all the stuff that is around me' because he was involved heavily with Suge at the time.

Him getting raped in jail and all that **** is just rumours, anyone can make up some **** like that.