I for one think Floyd is probably the most skilled fighter in the world today, but his failure to fight the best at his current and last division have me questioning his status in most lb for lb lists. No doubt Floyd was the best at 130 and 135 but he is now a welter weight. Is he as fast, as strong, or as durable at this weight as he was at his previous weights(130-35)? Is he the best fighter in the world at this weight? I think most lists that have him #1 are speculatory. He needs to proove himself.

everyone needs to prove themselves tho. bottom line, floyd has incredible skills, is undefeated, has beaten very good opposition in his career, and has moved up 17 pounds since the beginning of his career, yet is still dominant. yes, he deserves to be p4p #1

I don't see all this **** about him ducking people I mean **** he just got there give him time. Yeah I think he is pound for pound based only on his pervious fights not the last one with gatti because people are saying he ain't nothign but a B level fighter which hurts cause he is my favorite fighter. :D

and the award for most ridiculous post of the day goes to..........

c'mon, FLOYD IS LIGHT YEARS AHEAD OF ANYONE ELSE

The guy has already proven himself that's why he is on top of the p4p list. :)

He has fought in 4 different divisions and remained unbeaten, isn't that already a proof?.

Absolutely.

I see your point as he should be making a fight with a real name fighter soon but........because he's number one pound for pound, other fighters should be bending over backwards trying to get a fight with him. Not the other way around.

Why should the number 1 pound for pound fighter in the world have to chase someone else for a fight? It doesn't make sense.

Floyd is without a doubt not #1 P4P. Until he gets some balls and faces Elite competition, he's just a ghost in the #1 spot on many people's list. Don't let his talent and skills fool you. He's just showing casing these on weaker opposition rather than taking on what people consider the best. I'd say Floyd is #3 or 4.

no he shouldnt be there.

Floyd is without a doubt not #1 P4P. Until he gets some balls and faces Elite competition, he's just a ghost in the #1 spot on many people's list. Don't let his talent and skills fool you. He's just showing casing these on weaker opposition rather than taking on what people consider the best. I'd say Floyd is #3 or 4.
who is #1 and #2 to u then?

i dont know if he should be #1 right now i think Pacquiao has done more lately than he has. But again he is a 3 division champion and undeafetead so i dunno

and the award for most ridiculous post of the day goes to..........

c'mon, FLOYD IS LIGHT YEARS AHEAD OF ANYONE ELSE

Speculation. I'm sorry, but Floyd moved up a weight class and thouroughly ignored the best matchups in that division. He is now a welterweight and fighting a guy that will do nothing for his reputation of deserving the #1 lb for lb spot. I'm not saying Zab is a chump, I'm just saying this fight will do more for Zab if he wins, which is probable but unlikely, than it will do for PBF. If history repeats itself, he will fail to face anybody we want to see him fight at his current weight class. The Lb for lb list constantly evolves and reflects the current best. I say PBF, no doubt, was the best at 130-35 but not at 140-47 until he prooves it otherwise. Who has he faced recently to say he is #1? Every guy he has beat at his two current weights would also get beat by the other fighters he failed to face. On the other hand, prooven fighters like Winky and Pacman who have faced and dominated the best are ranked below PBF. I too feel that skill wise, nobody comes close to PBF, but I'm sure Hatton, Cotto, Kostya, and Margarito deserve a say in the matter. Hope something happens.

I Agree With You...

Floyd is without a doubt not #1 P4P. Until he gets some balls and faces Elite competition, he's just a ghost in the #1 spot on many people's list. Don't let his talent and skills fool you. He's just showing casing these on weaker opposition rather than taking on what people consider the best. I'd say Floyd is #3 or 4.
I AGREE WITH YOU..

Floyd is without a doubt not #1 P4P. Until he gets some balls and faces Elite competition, he's just a ghost in the #1 spot on many people's list. Don't let his talent and skills fool you. He's just showing casing these on weaker opposition rather than taking on what people consider the best. I'd say Floyd is #3 or 4.

Currently I would have to say that I agree Floyd should be at #3 and that all the opposition he has faced recently were easy opponents. I do think that if Floyd "mans up" and faces the best he would probably win. Though I think he is the best fighter in boxing , I don't think that warrants the #1 spot until he actually prooves it. In my book Floyd has surpassed the statute of limitations for his #1 spot by jumping a division without actually prooving anything. I would have to say as a fan my patience has run thin with Floyd.

no he shouldnt be there.Hey homie, then who's your P4P #1

Currently I would have to say that I agree Floyd should be at #3 and that all the opposition he has faced recently were easy opponents. I do think that if Floyd "mans up" and faces the best he would probably win. Though I think he is the best fighter in boxing , I don't think that warrants the #1 spot until he actually prooves it. In my book Floyd has surpassed the statute of limitations for his #1 spot by jumping a division without actually prooving anything. I would have to say as a fan my patience has run thin with Floyd.Floyd should be #1 until he loses a fight.

Believe me when I say this, and this is coming from a Ricky Hatton fan, Floyd Mayweather is #1 P4P,and in most cases Winky is #2, but it's not even close between them two.

talent and skill wise he's #1 P4P no doubt.

but his opponents as of late and in the future ...(Zab....DLH...) are questionable.

Does he deserves to be called the p4p #1? Maybe. Do I care bout p4p rankins? No.

You know what is sad; the kid is the most talented fighter I have ever seen. But to be called one of the greatest or the greatest you have to be in GREAT FIGHTS. He has all the tools to beat anyone, but the reality is that he doesn't fight the best, he fight what ever is best for him financially. I can't blame him for that cuz at the end that's his work...

+k to you borikua, that's exactly what I was thinking but I just wanted to summarize my version

floyd is number one p4p.

he does not have embarassing defeats in his past (pac, winky, barrera), and out of all the unbeaten fighters (hatton, calzaghe, cotto) he is the one with the best opposition

I think the biggest taint mark (heh, that made me laugh) is that he's fighting Zab. A few months ago we were all as giddy as children about that fight between 2 fighters of such a high caliber because we knew it'd be a how. Then Zab goes and ****s it all up by losing to Baldomir and now people will continue to hate on PBF for his weaker competition as of late.

I think the biggest taint mark (heh, that made me laugh) is that he's fighting Zab. A few months ago we were all as giddy as children about that fight between 2 fighters of such a high caliber because we knew it'd be a how. Then Zab goes and ****s it all up by losing to Baldomir and now people will continue to hate on PBF for his weaker competition as of late.

It will be worst if he looses to Zab...Then Baldi will be the man that beat the man that beat THE man... :eek:

It will be worst if he looses to Zab...Then Baldi will be the man that beat the man that beat THE man... :eek:

Bleh, don't even say such things. Boxing has enough problems as it is at the moment.

Floyd should be #1 until he loses a fight.

So if he keeps on fighting B level opposition he should retire at the top.

As for Zab, I am not saying he is a chump but a victory againts Zab is now meaningless. Honestly though, how many of y'all would be surprised if Zab won? I am guessin most of us. I wonder why?

So if he keeps on fighting B level opposition he should retire at the top.

As for Zab, I am not saying he is a chump but a victory againts Zab is now meaningless. Honestly though, how many of y'all would be surprised if Zab won? I am guessin most of us. I wonder why?PBF resume is better then anyone I can think off, the only guys that has a better resume is Oscarboy at this time & everyone knows I don't like De La Hoya.

Also I will surprised if anyone beats PBF, not just Zab. I think Zab chances are as good as anyone else's.

i think people put floyd number 1 cause of resume of assorted B level fighters cause he has alot of them, his real only A fighters are corrales castillo maybe jesus chavez

So if he keeps on fighting B level opposition he should retire at the top.

As for Zab, I am not saying he is a chump but a victory againts Zab is now meaningless. Honestly though, how many of y'all would be surprised if Zab won? I am guessin most of us. I wonder why?

a victory vs zab is a win against another quality opponent. its not nearly as big as it would be had zab won, but zab is still a quality fighter...

i think people put floyd number 1 cause of resume of assorted B level fighters cause he has alot of them, his real only A fighters are corrales castillo maybe jesus chavezSorry my friend that was self ownage :D

PBF resume is better then anyone I can think off, the only guys that has a better resume is Oscarboy at this time & everyone knows I don't like De La Hoya.

Also I will surprised if anyone beats PBF, not just Zab. I think Zab chances are as good as anyone else's.

Yet Oscar aint no lb for lbder. Lb for lb change with every win or loss. I guess the question is what have you done lately? What has PBF done lately? Nobody has answered that question because he really aint done ****. How long has it been? How long will it take?
On the real though, I wouldn't be surprised if PBF got beat. There are fighters out there that have shown to give PBF trouble. Againts Castillo, some people say he lost. He is in a different ball game at this weight. The thing is, I think he is more than good enough to proove to world he is the best. I don't know why he is beating around the bush. Is it the money? Good fights will translate to money and fame. He can ask Morales about that.

Yet Oscar aint no lb for lbder. Lb for lb change with every win or loss. I guess the question is what have you done lately? What has PBF done lately? Nobody has answered that question because he really aint done ****. How long has it been? How long will it take?
On the real though, I wouldn't be surprised if PBF got beat. There are fighters out there that have shown to give PBF trouble. Againts Castillo, some people say he lost. He is in a different ball game at this weight.Oscar did lose to Hopkins, got a gift against Sturm, lost to Mosley in his last 3 fights. This is the reason he's not in the P4P list.

If Mayweather loses, he will also not be in, that's just the way it goes. PBF will be #1 until he loses & rightfully so. Hopkins was #1, is he in Top 10 anymore, because he lost his last 2 fights to Taylor.

Oscar did lose to Hopkins, got a gift against Sturm, lost to Mosley in his last 3 fights. This is the reason he's not in the P4P list.

If Mayweather loses, he will also not be in, that's just the way it goes. PBF will be #1 until he loses & rightfully so. Hopkins was #1, is he in Top 10 anymore, because he lost his last 2 fights to Taylor.

Well I guess thats how people think because Floyd is #1 in most lists. The thing is, you can't keep on fighting easy fights. Floyd needs to fight Hatton or someone on the lb for lb list. How can you loose when all you fight are people you are most likely to beat? I'm not talking about the past when he was 130-5, Im talking about 140-7

Well I guess thats how people think because Floyd is #1 in most lists. The thing is, you can't keep on fighting easy fights. Floyd needs to fight Hatton or someone on the lb for lb list. How can you loose when all you fight are people you are most likely to beat?In my opinion Hatton, Cotto or Margarito is not harder fights then Zab & Oscar. I think PBF will beat all of them if his head is in the game.

In my opinion Hatton, Cotto or Margarito is not harder fights then Zab & Oscar. I think PBF will beat all of them if his head is in the game.

Then again, it is all speculation with no proof. Hatton is undefeated and beat Kostya who was a lb for lber. Zab is a good fighter but common man.

Well I guess thats how people think because Floyd is #1 in most lists. The thing is, you can't keep on fighting easy fights. Floyd needs to fight Hatton or someone on the lb for lb list. How can you loose when all you fight are people you are most likely to beat? I'm not talking about the past when he was 130-5, Im talking about 140-7

he doesnt want easy fights!
he signed with zab, zab then lost, so floyd offered tony, tony denied, hatton wants more time to expose himself in the us and cotto is busy mediocre opponents

Then again, it is all speculation with no proof. Hatton is undefeated and beat Kostya who was a lb for lber. Zab is a good fighter but common man.It's no speculation, I just don't see Hatton, Cotto or Margarito beating PBF. Zab can be extremely dangerous, he's fast & he can punch very hard. Also Oscar is bigger then any of those guy you mentioned & he's also a better boxer then those guys.

Yes he is #1 as most boxing sites say. They have their criteria to say this and I have to agree with them. But I do agree with you, floyd has to prove this by fighting top caliber fighters. He may fight cotto, hatton, castillo again, or even winky or hoya. Damn, floyd so many fighters to chose from.

Thats ok, I just have a diffent opinion. Of the fighters mentioned I think Hatton and Margarito have a really good chance. I think DLH is too big, too strong but maybe too old, I still think he might win though. Cotto needs to show me more, don't think he can beat PBF from what I've seen. All I can say to Zab is good luck man, you got some people believin in you out there.

Yes he is #1 as most boxing sites say. They have their criteria to say this and I have to agree with them. But I do agree with you, floyd has to prove this by fighting top caliber fighters. He may fight cotto, hatton, castillo again, or even winky or hoya. Damn, floyd so many fighters to chose from.


You can pretty much be sure Hoya/ PBF will get done if DLH comes through with his offer. Getting to fight Hoya is like hitting the lottery.

I for one think Floyd is probably the most skilled fighter in the world today, but his failure to fight the best at his current and last division have me questioning his status in most lb for lb lists. No doubt Floyd was the best at 130 and 135 but he is now a welter weight. Is he as fast, as strong, or as durable at this weight as he was at his previous weights(130-35)? Is he the best fighter in the world at this weight? I think most lists that have him #1 are speculatory. He needs to proove himself.

Who do you think should be #1 then?

All I want to ask is if Floyd is your #3 then who is your #1 and #2. You seem to be avoiding this question.

Floyds amazing. I agree with gldnboy, he shouldnt have to duck ppl if hes so good and people dont think hes worthy then why arent they chasing him. its bull****. floyd owns they are scared. simple as that

All I want to ask is if Floyd is your #3 then who is your #1 and #2. You seem to be avoiding this question.

thats what im saying. If flyods not then who is?

If PBF won't fight any Elites this year, I'm sure Pac will take his position.

thats what im saying. If flyods not then who is?

greatest avatar of all time.

IMHO PBF is still no. 1 P4P, we should keep remembering that he is the SMALL guy going up...

but one miscue, or a couple of BIG wins from 2 & 3 WILL change everything...

thats what im saying. If flyods not then who is?

i think #1 should be vacant

1)
2)Pacman
3)PBF
4)Winky

if PBF beats an Elite this year he can take 1 and also Winky, if he beats Taylor.

If not Pacman will take it assuming he KO Morales again. :D

why pacman at #3? he is the only facing Elite and scoring a TKO of the 3 fighters above on their last bout.

PBF destroys Michelle a semi dead horse.

Winky can't KO a conterder on his last fight.

of the 3 Pacman has the most impressive win.

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this is not a bias opinion but a fact

i think #1 should be vacant

1)
2)Pacman
3)PBF
4)Winky

if PBF beats an Elite this year he can take 1 and also Winky, if he beats Taylor.

If not Pacman will take it assuming he KO Morales again. :D

why pacman at #3? he is the only facing Elite and scoring a TKO of the 3 fighters above on their last bout.

PBF destroys Michelle a semi dead horse.

Winky can't KO a conterder on his last fight.

of the 3 Pacman has the most impressive win.

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this is not a bias opinion but a factDude, do you remember what was written under my username like 2 weeks ago???

Dude, do you remember what was written under my username like 2 weeks ago???

nah I don't remember... ;)

is he #1 P4P?

Yes he is,

does he Deserve it?

No he doesnt.

Why?

Because he hasnt done anything to prove his dominance at 140 and he has been there nearly 2 years and is now at 147 fighting a guy that got beat by a tuneup.

I think he deseves it because he won many greats:

- Joe Luis Castillo x2
- Deigo Corrales
- Aruto Gatti
- Shamba Mitclle
- Emulo Augustus

and Zab Judah is next so which guy for him to beat so he could be No1 P4P boxers.

i think #1 should be vacant

1)
2)Pacman
3)PBF
4)Winky

if PBF beats an Elite this year he can take 1 and also Winky, if he beats Taylor.

If not Pacman will take it assuming he KO Morales again. :D

why pacman at #3? he is the only facing Elite and scoring a TKO of the 3 fighters above on their last bout.

PBF destroys Michelle a semi dead horse.

Winky can't KO a conterder on his last fight.

of the 3 Pacman has the most impressive win.

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this is not a bias opinion but a fact


Ok, first off there is no such thing as vacant #1 by having it empty and putting Pacman at #2 your making him the defacto #1. Perhaps you put it that way to avert criticism in some way.

First off let me say that I enjoy watching PBF fight but I'm not a huge PBF fan my preferred fighter is Cotto whom I think would lose to PBF hands down if they fought this year.

Secondly how can you down grade PBF fight resume especially down grading his fight with Zab who lost his last fight with Balomir. However Pacman did the same thing fighting an Eric Morales that came off a loss to Barrera before their first fight and Eric was coming off a loss to Raheem before their 2nd fight. I'm not trying to down grade Pacman but you gotta use the same ruler for both fighters.

diego corrales, jose luis castillo (twice), famoso hernandez, jesus chavez, demarcus corley, sharmba mitchell, and arturo gatti. all former champions and corrales, chavez, mitchell, and gatti have been stopped by floyd mayweather jr.

with titles in 3 (soon to be 4) divisions and a resume like the one above, of course floyd should be #1.

Ok, first off there is no such thing as vacant #1 by having it empty and putting Pacman at #2 your making him the defacto #1. Perhaps you put it that way to avert criticism in some way.

First off let me say that I enjoy watching PBF fight but I'm not a huge PBF fan my preferred fighter is Cotto whom I think would lose to PBF hands down if they fought this year.

Secondly how can you down grade PBF fight resume especially down grading his fight with Zab who lost his last fight with Balomir. However Pacman did the same thing fighting an Eric Morales that came off a loss to Barrera before their first fight and Eric was coming off a loss to Raheem before their 2nd fight. I'm not trying to down grade Pacman but you gotta use the same ruler for both fighters.

good point actully
pacs biggest fights are a draw to jmm, a loss to morales, a wins vs morales, even though he just lost to raheem, similar to the baldomir zab fight (morales wobbled bigime, was a bigtime fav and lost a ud, same as zab) and a nice ko win vs barrera. floyds trying to make big fights guys, hes offerered tony, dlh, and hatton.

floyd is number one p4p.

he does not have embarassing defeats in his past (pac, winky, barrera), and out of all the unbeaten fighters (hatton, calzaghe, cotto) he is the one with the best opposition

If this question was asked 1 or 2 years ago, I'd say NO ONE COMES CLOSE to even 1 light year.

But so far, Floyd's opposition has been mediocre at best.

And those are not embarrasing loses for Pac, Winky and MAB. It's a given for any fighter who needs time to improve and when on top, will stay there for long.

I for one think Floyd is probably the most skilled fighter in the world today, but his failure to fight the best at his current and last division have me questioning his status in most lb for lb lists. No doubt Floyd was the best at 130 and 135 but he is now a welter weight. Is he as fast, as strong, or as durable at this weight as he was at his previous weights(130-35)? Is he the best fighter in the world at this weight? I think most lists that have him #1 are speculatory. He needs to proove himself.

None of this means jack **** unless you provide a reason somebody in particular deserves to be rated higher. If you are too blind to appreciate Floyds mastery, let us at least see your deductive reasoning and process of elimination.

saying the PBF is not no1 is like saying all his oppenet are bums and that is not true.

fighters are measured by the other fighters they fight.

as for Zab, he got a chance against PBF, he is quit and know one knows what he is doing. probably in the press conference.

But maybe Zab could give PBF first ever upset, the silence is killing me from a trash talker like Zab.

i am curious to see where he ends up after getting knocked out. once he starts fighting the guys that he should i am positive that one of them will catch up to him and put him down for 10. my early guess is hatton to lose about eight rounds and them get lucky and ko floyd. i think a better question than "does floyd deserve to be no. 1 p4p" is "where will we put floyd once he gets ko'ed?"
because right now he is without a doubt no. 1.

i am curious to see where he ends up after getting knocked out. once he starts fighting the guys that he should i am positive that one of them will catch up to him and put him down for 10. my early guess is hatton to lose about eight rounds and them get lucky and ko floyd. i think a better question than "does floyd deserve to be no. 1 p4p" is "where will we put floyd once he gets ko'ed?"
because right now he is without a doubt no. 1.

i kind of want to know how many floyd fights youve seen. if floyd wanted to, he could beat anybody by ud, but he opens up and try's to ko guys. his defense speed and footwork could result in him NEVER getting caught

The answer to the question this threads poses is YES........who else deserves it at this point?

i kind of want to know how many floyd fights youve seen. if floyd wanted to, he could beat anybody by ud, but he opens up and try's to ko guys. his defense speed and footwork could result in him NEVER getting caught
that has been said about a lot of people. and it would be great for the sport if this were true. however i have a very strong feeling that he will get caught and it will be within his next five fights if he starts fighting the guys he should. the welter division has the posibility of being like the welter and middle divisions of the eighties if all of these guys fight eachother like they did back in the day and none of them came out unscathed, so if they start fighting i dont see floyd making it out clean although his record will be the one with the fewest dents.

Mayweather took Castillos shots in bunches and never went down. This is the same Castillo that KO'd Corrales with one shot.

Floyd is number 1 unless someone can give a compelling argument as to who #1 really is.......


Thats what I thought. Case closed.

Yep, he looks like the pound-for-pound (when he ever gets in the ring)....

that has been said about a lot of people. and it would be great for the sport if this were true. however i have a very strong feeling that he will get caught and it will be within his next five fights if he starts fighting the guys he should. the welter division has the posibility of being like the welter and middle divisions of the eighties if all of these guys fight eachother like they did back in the day and none of them came out unscathed, so if they start fighting i dont see floyd making it out clean although his record will be the one with the fewest dents.

but floyd is still in his prime. i dont think he will get touched in his prime

but floyd is still in his prime. i dont think he will get touched in his prime
getting touched is what will end his prime.

yes, he fight and he wins. no one has beat him doesnt that say he is the best. he already has a good record with several former and current champs. he also stopped many up and coming start, cut them down to nothing

I can't believe people are really suggesting pac is P4P over Flyod I think that some off yall cats think with your harts and not your heads. I don't think pac could beat reheem. The only thing Floyd doesn't have is one punch knock out power otherwise no one can compare to his skill

I can't believe people are really suggesting pac is P4P over Flyod I think that some off yall cats think with your harts and not your heads. I don't think pac could beat reheem. The only thing Floyd doesn't have is one punch knock out power otherwise no one can compare to his skill

I doubt anyone outside of the Phillipines is suggesting such a ridiculous notion. Hell 9 out of 10 locals from the Phillipine town Manny brougth electricity to for the first time would give Manny no chance against mayweather head to head OR p4p.

I doubt anyone outside of the Phillipines is suggesting such a ridiculous notion. Hell 9 out of 10 locals from the Phillipine town Manny brougth electricity to for the first time would give Manny no chance against mayweather head to head OR p4p.
go get banned you racist ****.

So if he keeps on fighting B level opposition he should retire at the top.

As for Zab, I am not saying he is a chump but a victory againts Zab is now meaningless. Honestly though, how many of y'all would be surprised if Zab won? I am guessin most of us. I wonder why?


I wouldnt be suprised. Floyds movin up in weight, and if Zab comes in focused then he has a much better chance to win than most people are giving him.

I also think that the winner of Winky/Taylor not Zab/Floyd will be no doubt number 1 pfp.

until floyd loses, ill have him number 1 p4p. his opposition will be good his next two fights, in zab, dlh if he wins, tony or hopefully hatton

I also think that the winner of Winky/Taylor not Zab/Floyd will be no doubt number 1 pfp.
if taylor is ever no.1 p4p i will never regard that list as credible. taylor is SLOPPY!!!!!!!!!! winky is going to finish what hop started in the first fight, an all out schooling of an unskilled hbo/dibella chump/*****.

I also think that the winner of Winky/Taylor not Zab/Floyd will be no doubt number 1 pfp.

Taylor lost to Hopkins TWICE and Wright lost to Vargas.

The winner of their fight probably isn't even the best fighter in their own neighborhoods.

Taylor lost to Hopkins TWICE and Wright lost to Vargas.

The winner of their fight probably isn't even the best fighter in their own neighborhoods.

To be fair to Winky, the fight could've gone either way and the judges scored reflected an obvious bias towards Vargas. That same fight might get scored for Winky today.

To be fair to Winky, the fight could've gone either way and the judges scored reflected an obvious bias towards Vargas. That same fight might get scored for Winky today.

Yeah true but a "P4P" guy should be breaking guys like Vargas in 2.

Like Oscar and Tito did.