I wonder when this two will clash?? I will bet for HAMED.. He is one of a kind!

god , where do you b=naseem nutheuggers come from...he's washed up and officially a has been

They'll probably fight in 2008.

I've been told that Naz will be a much more mature fighter this time around, but will be purely looking for the one-punch KO each fight (though in a more mature manner).

I wonder when this two will clash?? I will bet for HAMED.. He is one of a kind!

Go home Borris...

Invest your money in the bank...

Never bet against Pac these days...

They'll probably fight in 2008.

I've been told that Naz will be a much more mature fighter this time around, but will be purely looking for the one-punch KO each time (though in a more mature manner).
it's quite funny how you can be matured and look for the one-time KO each and every time... lol... :D

it's quite funny how you can be matured and look for the one-time KO each and every time... lol... :D
Well, earlier on in his career (in his prime, before the American exposure) he was accused of throwing too many combinations of punches. He didn't have the maturity to just take his time and find the right punch. People said that 'yeah, okay, he's an alien freak and one of the best young prospects ever seen.. but, he needs to learn to plant his feet'.

The guy threw it all away after the Robinson fight - before that he trained like a maniac, after that he got more and more lacklustre in training and more and more reliant on his power.. and it caused him to look terrible against a washed up Kevin Kelley.

Well, earlier on in his career (in his prime, before the American exposure) he was accused of throwing too many combinations of punches. He didn't have the maturity to just take his time and find the right punch. People said that 'yeah, okay, he's an alien freak and one of the best young prospects ever seen.. but, he needs to learn to plant his feet'.

The guy threw it all away after the Robinson fight - before that he trained like a maniac, after that he got more and more lacklustre in training and more and more reliant on his power.. and it caused him to look terrible against a washed up Kevin Kelley.
haven't seen him fight outside of MAB but basically looking for the one punch KO ecah time is immaturity so I just find it weird to hear that one and say "in a mature manner". just my two cents dude. :D

how many of these pac-naz threads are still coming sheesh:(

I wonder when this two will clash?? I will bet for HAMED.. He is one of a kind!
i will bet for pacman for an early knock-out.

They'll probably fight in 2008.

I've been told that Naz will be a much more mature fighter this time around, but will be purely looking for the one-punch KO each time (though in a more mature manner).
Naz is a clown. Barrera proved that.

Naz is a clown. Barrera proved that.

What did Torrecampo and Singsurat do to Manny then?

Yikes.

What did Torrecampo and Singsurat do to Manny then?

Yikes.
Ahh. And so you make another illogical post. You will eat your words again.

Naz was a clown, a quitter and a fake. He was just a fighter who was setup against opponents whom he can easily beat and in such a way as to make it look he was an elite. When it was time to step up against MAB, he got his ass handed to him big time.

PAC? lol! I don't even have to argue with this.

a quitter.

Dont get him confused with Manny PacQuitiao

TorreCampo + Singsurat = 0wned

Dont get him confused with Manny PacQuitiao

TorreCampo + Singsurat = 0wned
lol!

If Naz wasn't a quitter then he would have picked himself up and proved to the world, if not for himself that his loss to MAB was just 1 loss and that he can rebound from it.

The problem is, the guy retired in frustration. :D

Owned?? lol!

The difference between PAC and NAz is that PAC aint a *****-quitter. The losses to this fighters made PAC a better fighter and that he improved on his game.

WHat can you say for your Naz? :)

lol!

If Naz wasn't a quitter then he would have picked himself up and proved to the world, if not for himself that his loss to MAB was just 1 loss and that he can rebound from it.

The problem is, the guy retired in frustration. :D

Owned?? lol!

The difference between PAC and NAz is that PAC aint a *****-quitter. The losses to this fighters made PAC a better fighter and that he improved on his game.

WHat can you say for your Naz? :)

At least Naz never lost to guys who push hand carts for a living.

What did Torrecampo and Singsurat do to Manny then?

Yikes.

can't you do better than that? his first loss to torrecampo was more than 10 years ago, a year after manny turned pro. he was still a newcomer and paid the price coz of his immaturity. but he bounced fast and strong after that fight. the lost to singsurat almost seven years ago was a result of dehydrating himself just to make weight and lost the belt even before he made his way to the ring. however, like a true warrior manny is, he picked up his pieces and moved on. look where he is now. naz on the other hand after mab exposed the clown and overrated fighter in him has been nowhere to find. courage, resiliency and fighting spirit are what separate the great and the mediocre my friend.

can't you do better than that? his first loss to torrecampo was more than 10 years ago, a year after manny turned pro. he was still a newcomer and paid the price coz of his immaturity. but he bounced fast and strong after that fight. the lost to singsurat almost seven years ago was a result of dehydrating himself just to make weight and lost the belt even before he made his way to the ring. however, like a true warrior manny is, he picked up his pieces and moved on. look where he is now. naz on the other hand after mab exposed the clown and overrated fighter in him has been nowhere to find. courage, resiliency and fighting spirit are what separate the great and the mediocre my friend.

Exposed?

Like I said. Getting knocked out by guys who operate a confection stand is getting "Exposed".

Not by losing 1 fight to one of the greatest fighters of our generation.

He got rocked by Barerra and you think Hamed would come even close to having a chance against Pacquiao? Pacquiao's pressure would devistate Hamed, we saw what happened in the Barerra fight so really..

At least Naz never lost to guys who push hand carts for a living.

that reply there says it all...those losses were part of his journey to greatness. the number of times you fall doesn't matter but how you pick yourself up from those falls and learned from them. again where manny and naz right now speaks loudly who really is the better warrior between them.

that reply there says it all...those losses were part of his journey to greatness. the number of times you fall doesn't matter but how you pick yourself up from those falls and learned from them. again where manny and naz right now speaks loudly who really is the better warrior between them.

I'm not arguing "who's the better warrior".

I'm simply saying Pac lost to guys who mow lawns.

Don't too excited about Naz coming back any time soon. He announed he was going return a good few months ago now and he still hasnt shed any weight. Still looks like a bit of a porker to me!

Exposed?

Like I said. Getting knocked out by guys who operate a confection stand is getting "Exposed".

Not by losing 1 fight to one of the greatest fighters of our generation.

you're making me laugh run! what did torrecampo and sinsurat exposed in manny? the seventeen-year old newbie fighter and a 60% dehaydrated pacman? get real dude, manny then was just a shadow of himself now. on the other hand, what mab exposed was a prime hamed. do you see the difference now?

you're making me laugh run!

At least that's a start.

You people need to lighten up. All you do is discuss Pacquiao nonstop, and get defensive if someone insults him (deservedly).

he is def coming back with frank warren...manny will get get knocked out for sure...

he is def coming back with frank warren...manny will get get knocked out for sure...

Please tell me this is true, and you aren't speaking out of wishful thinking. To be quite honest.....that would make my day times five hundred.

At least that's a start.

You people need to lighten up. All you do is discuss Pacquiao nonstop, and get defensive if someone insults him (deservedly).

look who's talkin'! you're the one bumping the pacquiao threads on this board to no end. i just can't help it when people bash pac especially when those attacks are nothin' but nonsense.

i'm just wondering why you people hate pac that much and you tend to generalize us pac fans when not all of us are into nuthugging. do you think insulting pac and his fans will make you feel good and look better?

look who's talkin'! you're the one bumping the pacquiao threads on this board to no end. i just can't help it when people bash pac especially when those attacks are nothin' but nonsense.

i'm just wondering why you people hate pac that much and you tend to generalize us pac fans when not all of us are into nuthugging. do you think insulting pac and his fans will make you feel good and look better?

People are getting tired of the Pac nuthugging on this forum.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64297

Big time.

naz is a ****ing prick, i hope he fights pac and gets his washed up ass handed to him. he will get moralles if he fights pac, broken and bloody.

People are getting tired of the Pac nuthugging on this forum.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64297

Big time.
This guy is just a bozo. Don't take him TOO seriously as he takes his bugging a litte bit tad too serious. :)

This guy is just a bozo. Don't take him TOO seriously as he takes his bugging a litte bit tad too serious. :)

hey joart, why don't you two kiss and make up now for a change? that will surely make this world a nicer place to live in. ;)

Hey runwknives, so u were just kidding about pacquiao being a clown right? just cuz he lost early in his career to rustico, and singsurat? cuz if pacquiao was a clown then that would make people look at guys like Morales and Barrera different cuz they both lost to that "clown". Bottom line is the Prince lost to Barrera and Pacquiao won against Barrera thats a good measure to who's a better fighter.

Hey runwknives, so u were just kidding about pacquiao being a clown right?

Pacquiao is not a clown. He's an excellent fighter.


just cuz he lost early in his career to rustico, and singsurat? .

Yeah that is pretty sad IMO.

Hey runwknives, so u were just kidding about pacquiao being a clown right? just cuz he lost early in his career to rustico, and singsurat? cuz if pacquiao was a clown then that would make people look at guys like Morales and Barrera different cuz they both lost to that "clown". Bottom line is the Prince lost to Barrera and Pacquiao won against Barrera thats a good measure to who's a better fighter.
Christ, the level of ignorance is so ****ing high...

Pac beats Barrerra and Barrera beat Naz so Pac is better than Naz?

Sorry, but #1 rule. Triangular logic doesnt work. If triangular logic works, then Naz is better than Morales just on the fighters they both beat and what both of them did to their opponents. Ill give you an example:

Naz KO Daniel Molina 2.
Eric Morales TKO Daniel Molina 6.

Naz is better than Eric Morales using your logic then?

Also rocco said that Naz cant take pressure fighters. ****ing hell, Rocco, you havent seen a Naz fight have you? He thrived on pressure fighters, and dismantled them when they pressured him. Ill give you an example aswell...

Wilfredo Vazquez -- usually boxes. Didnt box/pressure against Naz, because he knew that if he did, he would get taken out even earlier than he did...

If Naz can get back to full fitness, strength and reflex then he will take Pac apart, I assure you of that.

Christ, the level of ignorance is so ****ing high...

Pac beats Barrerra and Barrera beat Naz so Pac is better than Naz?

Sorry, but #1 rule. Triangular logic doesnt work. If triangular logic works, then Naz is better than Morales just on the fighters they both beat and what both of them did to their opponents. Ill give you an example:

Naz KO Daniel Molina 2.
Eric Morales TKO Daniel Molina 6.

Naz is better than Eric Morales using your logic then?

Also rocco said that Naz cant take pressure fighters. ****ing hell, Rocco, you havent seen a Naz fight have you? He thrived on pressure fighters, and dismantled them when they pressured him. Ill give you an example aswell...

Wilfredo Vazquez -- usually boxes. Didnt box/pressure against Naz, because he knew that if he did, he would get taken out even earlier than he did...

If Naz can get back to full fitness, strength and reflex then he will take Pac apart, I assure you of that.

I've been so lazy to type lately...and have resorted to merely one liners; albeit halfwit ones at that.

But I should have entered this thread and typed the exact same thing Exig3 just did....because it's so correct it's not even funny. Triangular logic doesn't work,

And Naz is the man.

I've been so lazy to type lately...and have resorted to merely one liners; albeit halfwit ones at that.

But I should have entered this thread and typed the exact same thing Exig3 just did....because it's so correct it's not even funny. Triangular logic doesn't work,

And Naz is the man.
I think you are the only American/Mexican on these boards that feels the same way I do about Naz... Ok he lost to Barrerra but he also beat a lot of fighters. (I could make 100 valid excuses about the Barrerra fight, but I cant be bothered anymore. People just think I am lieing when I do that, so I will just say Barrerra beat him fair and square).

The main thing I am worried about with Naz is that he will lose his reflexes which he relied on for defence basically, so that could be crucial. Other than that he can retain some of his power and speed, and I dont care what anyone says, he has more power than Pac....

EDIT: The dude who said Naz was in his prime when he lost to Barrerra. I wont even try and argue with you. If you had the capacity to type that in the first place, you certainetly dont have the capacity to understand that Naz was far from his prime in that fight.

**** chill man its just my opinion, of course I know that kind of thinking doesnt work all the time, i think pacquiao can beat Naz but not because he beat barrera. I think pacquiao can beat naz because naz leaves himself open to shots and when he gets tagged he gets shaken up because his balance is bad I think if Pacquiao catches him he's going down

**** chill man its just my opinion, of course I know that kind of thinking doesnt work all the time, i think pacquiao can beat Naz but not because he beat barrera. I think pacquiao can beat naz because naz leaves himself open to shots and when he gets tagged he gets shaken up because his balance is bad I think if Pacquiao catches him he's going down
Give me 3 examples of when he has been shaken up.

Do you know how many times he has been knocked down, and do you know the shots he has been put down with?

Compare that to the jabs that Pac gets put down with and you will see what im getting at.

Man I feel sorry for people that have to defend a ***** like naz

I think you are the only American/Mexican on these boards that feels the same way I do about Naz... Ok he lost to Barrerra but he also beat a lot of fighters. (I could make 100 valid excuses about the Barrerra fight, but I cant be bothered anymore. People just think I am lieing when I do that, so I will just say Barrerra beat him fair and square).

The main thing I am worried about with Naz is that he will lose his reflexes which he relied on for defence basically, so that could be crucial. Other than that he can retain some of his power and speed, and I dont care what anyone says, he has more power than Pac....

EDIT: The dude who said Naz was in his prime when he lost to Barrerra. I wont even try and argue with you. If you had the capacity to type that in the first place, you certainetly dont have the capacity to understand that Naz was far from his prime in that fight.

if he would of won would you still say that he was past his prime?

Give me 3 examples of when he has been shaken up.

Do you know how many times he has been knocked down, and do you know the shots he has been put down with?

Compare that to the jabs that Pac gets put down with and you will see what im getting at.

I do know he's gotten dropped by some of Kevin Kelley's shots, and MAB rocked him as well, didnt put him down but MAB's shots shook him a little. I just think that the way Naz leans back with his hands down is something pacquiao can take advantage of with some fast lunging shots. But its all a moot point really cuz even if Naz comes back and Pacquiao beats him, it wouldnt be a very impressive victory cuz Naz is like 34 years old.

Man I feel sorry for people that have to defend a ***** like naz

what's the point of this thread genius?

How about a big circle jerk full of stupid smileys and Pac's name followed by misused exclaimation points?

How about we just cut to the chase and say he's the greatest fighter whoever lived?

and about Pacquiao getting dropped, when was the last time that happened? that was years ago, critizing pacquiao now for his chin doesnt work cuz pac's chin is solid now.

I think you are the only American/Mexican on these boards that feels the same way I do about Naz... Ok he lost to Barrerra but he also beat a lot of fighters. (I could make 100 valid excuses about the Barrerra fight, but I cant be bothered anymore. People just think I am lieing when I do that, so I will just say Barrerra beat him fair and square).

The main thing I am worried about with Naz is that he will lose his reflexes which he relied on for defence basically, so that could be crucial. Other than that he can retain some of his power and speed, and I dont care what anyone says, he has more power than Pac....

EDIT: The dude who said Naz was in his prime when he lost to Barrerra. I wont even try and argue with you. If you had the capacity to type that in the first place, you certainetly dont have the capacity to understand that Naz was far from his prime in that fight.


I was the dude you were referring to! Not a prime at 26 when MAB beat him, you must be kidding. So you were saying MAB beat a worn-out fighter? Tell that to to his legion of fans. So you think he was in his prime when he beat the aging Kevin Kelly?

I understand, Hamed lost some desire because of boxing politics that resulted to his belts being stripped a few times. But to say that he was not in his prime when he lost to MAB sounds like more an excuse to me. The fact of the matter is, Naz doesn't have the mental toughness to win against an elite fighter like MAB. That was the same reason IMO why he ducked the likes of Marquez and Luisito Espinosa.

EDIT: The dude who said Naz will beat prime Pac based on power. (Thanks for a good laugh, dude! An aging Naz inactive for almost 5 year will beat a prime Pac!). I wont even try and argue with you. If you had the capacity to type that in the first place, you certainly dont have the capacity to understand that power alone is not enough to beat an elite fighter in his prime like Pac.

Outstanding call. Glad to see there are still some knowledgable fans out there somewhere. Hamed will rack his balls up like they're playing pool.

I was the dude you were referring to! Not a prime at 26 when MAB beat him, you must be kidding. So you were saying MAB beat a worn-out fighter? Tell that to to his legion of fans. So you think he was in his prime when he beat the aging Kevin Kelly?

I understand, Hamed lost some desire because of boxing politics that resulted to his belts being stripped a few times. But to say that he was not in his prime when he lost to MAB sounds like more an excuse to me. The fact of the matter is, Naz doesn't have the mental toughness to win against an elite fighter like MAB. That was the same reason IMO why he ducked the likes of Marquez and Luisito Espinosa.

EDIT: The dude who said Naz will beat prime Pac based on power. (Thanks for a good laugh, dude! An aging Naz inactive for almost 5 year will beat a prime Pac!). I wont even try and argue with you. If you had the capacity to type that in the first place, you certainly dont have the capacity to understand that power alone is not enough to beat an elite fighter in his prime like Pac.
Like I said, im not even going to argue with you if you think that Naz was in his prime when he got beat. Naz in his prime beats Barrerra and Morales, straight up.

When did I say he was worn out? I said he wasnt in his prime. (Ie he had better days). Steve Robinson is pretty much his prime, and he would have beaten Barrerra if he had fought him on the same night he fought Robinson...

damn it doesnt seem like anyone is ever in their primes after they lose a big fight.

damn it doesnt seem like anyone is ever in their primes after they lose a big fight.
No, I knew Naz was on the downfall before he reached Barrerra... I mean Kevin Kelley floored him, but styles make fights so Kevins style was one which gave problems to Hamed... Cesar Soto should have been gone in about 2 ---- seconds that is. Erm, Augie Sanchez got owned, but he put Naz down with a nice right hand, which Naz would have never been caught with 3-4 years earlier.

You got to understand, Naz was getting people out of the ring with single shots in 30 seconds. One of his earlier opponents took 3 shots. 3 shots thrown, 3 shots landed, 1 Knock Out. The funny thing was that the camera was still zooming in for the first round, so we didnt even get to see the first shot - and first KD within like 5 seconds land properly because it was just the start of the fight..

About the pressure fighters, if you ever get the chance to watch Naz - Angeles you will know what I mean. Enrique Angeles is a pressure fighter who was trying to get Naz out of the ring in Round 1... Naz just took his head off, and scored a KD in the first round and Knocked him out in the second.

Trust me when I say this. Naz beats Pac if he gets back to pre America form.

I can’t believe that some people on these boards honestly believe that a resurgent Naz almost at 32 and inactive for almost 5 years will beat Pac who is at the peak form of his career. Given, Naz thrived against pressure fighters and knocked them out like timbers but that was when a first grader was still in a crib. Not to mention, Pac has also proven that his opponent is likely to go down when he goes toe-to-toe with him. Isn’t it a fact that Kelly dropped Naz with a right hooks to the head, not once but three times, and isn’t it also fact that Manny is a headhunter and his right hooks was one of the lethal weapons he used to spell the end for Velazquez and Morales just months ago?

Funny but IMO, isn’t it lame to say that ”A prime Naz beats MAB and Erik Morales”? I wonder why one wouldn’t say “A prime Naz beats a prime MAB and prime Erik Morales”? Shouldn’t this statement more suited in Fantasy Fight Forum? Isn’t it funnier that when a fighter, a bull at 26 was suddenly not in his prime when another fighter beat him and exposed him as a non-elite fighter.

Isn’t it funnier when one in gust would say “Christ, the level of ignorance is so ****ing high...”, when he suggests he knows the fact but can’t see through it. I can’t help to notice that the level of arrogance on these boards is so ****ing high.…

I would never bet on an underachiever who quit his career when he got his ass handed to him by a better fighter.

PAC would KILL Nas look what MAB didi to Nas and look wat Pac did to MAB

Hey Roberto...word of advice bro. Don't you say that transitive theory in boxing (i.e. If A beats B, and B beats C, then A beats C). There are wolves lurking out there and will jump right on you at the first sight or smell of your post.

Wait for a while...and you'll be in for a surprise! :D

PAC would KILL Nas look what MAB didi to Nas and look wat Pac did to MAB

Read Janno's post.

I hate that stupid triangle analogy, I'ts trash and doesn't hold any water whatsoever.

WIll never happen, hes scared of Pac

WIll never happen, hes scared of Pac

Oh yeah?

You must have recieved that information from sources close to the Naz camp right? Or was it him NEVER MENTIONING Tranny?

Oh yeah?

You must have recieved that information from sources close to the Naz camp right? Or was it him NEVER MENTIONING Tranny?
Yeah, he heard it straight from the Naz camp. Oh actually, no he didnt, because they never said that.

Ok so he musta heard it from the Pac camp.

This just in, Pac is scared of me --- from my camp. :rolleyes:

This just in, Pac is scared of me --- from my camp. :rolleyes:

He's scared because you threatened him with a waterhose pointed at his new hairdoo. He takes that seriously.

PAC would KILL Nas look what MAB didi to Nas and look wat Pac did to MAB

Hey Roberto...word of advice bro. Don't you say that transitive theory in boxing (i.e. If A beats B, and B beats C, then A beats C). There are wolves lurking out there and will jump right on you at the first sight or smell of your post.

Wait for a while...and you'll be in for a surprise! :D

Read Janno's post.

I hate that stupid triangle analogy, I'ts trash and doesn't hold any water whatsoever.

:eek: 21 mins. what did i tell you, roberto?

hey run, just messing up with you! :D ;)

hey run, just messing up with you! :D ;)

I smelled his post from two lounges away.

Naz is just an Overated CLOWN!!!! Bobby Pac will take care of that CLOWN!!

Naz is just an Overated CLOWN!!!! Bobby Pac will take care of that CLOWN!!
I know its not the best theory out there but i was just thinking what Barrera's style did to Naz, just imagine what PAC's style would do!!

ooopsw replied to the wrong person haha

Naz is just an Overated CLOWN!!!! Bobby Pac will take care of that CLOWN!!


BOBBY PACQUIAO SUCKS!!! He can never be PACMAN although he is the brother of manny but he can never be him...

NAZ is ONE OF A KIND!!!

BOBBY PACQUIAO SUCKS!!! He can never be PACMAN although he is the brother of manny but he can never be him...

NAZ is ONE OF A KIND!!!

Naz was just hyped by HBO :D after MAB exposed him as a BIG CLOWN he was disappeared. boinks..

Naz vs Pac would be an explosion. The outcome would be Naz losing all his front teeth shattered on the ring.

Bobby Pac will give him hell. :D

Pac Ko's this chump in round 1.... 45 secs of round 1.... hehe

BOBBY PACQUIAO SUCKS!!! He can never be PACMAN although he is the brother of manny but he can never be him...

NAZ is ONE OF A KIND!!!


of course because he is bobby nas is one of a kind one whoe retires when he loses

A prime Nas would give Pac all kinds of problems, but if this fight happened now I think Pac would win, but not by knockout. I do not think that either fighter is scared of each other though, i think that people on here are far too quick to accuse one fighter of being scared of another.

Pac Ko's this chump in round 1.... 45 secs of round 1.... hehe
You lost credibility on the last fight you predicted ("OMG LACY KO'S CALZAGHE IN LIKE 3 ROUNDS D00D!"). Now go away.

Like I said, im not even going to argue with you if you think that Naz was in his prime when he got beat. Naz in his prime beats Barrerra and Morales, straight up.

When did I say he was worn out? I said he wasnt in his prime. (Ie he had better days). Steve Robinson is pretty much his prime, and he would have beaten Barrerra if he had fought him on the same night he fought Robinson...

Prime Hamed vs prime Morales would have made for an excellent fight, very competitive. I'll even say it's a toss-up fight, because Morales has a style that suits Naz.

But the Prince would NEVER beat Barrera. Terrible matchup. Naz would have a better shot at beating Pac than at beating Marco.

Prime Hamed vs prime Morales would have made for an excellent fight, very competitive. I'll even say it's a toss-up fight, because Morales has a style that suits Naz.

But the Prince would NEVER beat Barrera. Terrible matchup. Naz would have a better shot at beating Pac than at beating Marco.

Morancito, care to elaborate on that please? Thanks! :)

[QUOTE=morancito]Morancito, care to elaborate on that please? Thanks!

Sure.

Barrera can shift from brawler to boxer at will. If he had brawled, not boxed, Naz, there's a very good chance that he would have been knocked the **** out, because Naz was the hardest hitting feather since Arguello and Wilfrido.

The Barrera fight proved what Naz always knew, that he had a lot of trouble against the very technically proficient fighters. That's why he never wanted any part of JMM. Naz made the wrong analysis when he chose to fight Barrera instead of Morales, whom he'd had a better chance of beating. He thought both were basically the same fighter, which, of course, proved to be awfully wrong.

While I'd favor Pac against Naz, there's the chance that Pac could get caught in one of his incessant offensive rushes. Remember, he got rocked by JMM, who doesn't have half the power Naz used to. A puncher's chance, which is offset by MAB's style.

Despite what some people here say, styles DO make fights. Pac's style is just better suited for Naz than MAB's.

Sure.

Barrera can shift from brawler to boxer at will. If he had brawled, not boxed, Naz, there's a very good chance that he would have been knocked the **** out, because Naz was the hardest hitting feather since Arguello and Wilfrido.

The Barrera fight proved what Naz always knew, that he had a lot of trouble against the very technically proficient fighters. That's why he never wanted any part of JMM. Naz made the wrong analysis when he chose to fight Barrera instead of Morales, whom he'd had a better chance of beating. He thought both were basically the same fighter, which, of course, proved to be awfully wrong.

While I'd favor Pac against Naz, there's the chance that Pac could get caught in one of his incessant offensive rushes. Remember, he got rocked by JMM, who doesn't have half the power Naz used to. A puncher's chance, which is offset by MAB's style.

Despite what some people here say, styles DO make fights. Pac's style is just better suited for Naz than MAB's.

Thanks Morancito. I see your your point. But remember that Pac is also at his best when slugging it out with his opponent. With his faster hands, chances are his bombs will land on Naz's head ahead of NAz's haymakers. Both fighters have awkward balance but Naz has the more tendency of getting off-balance when throwing his wild punches and exposes his head - an easy target for Pac's hooks and the 2 right left straight. Pac can also use his body attacks to slow Naz down like he did with Erik. Pac is also the bigger fighter than the two IMO and has the longer reach. I think Naz is only 5'3" but may have the wider body. If Naz chooses to dance around (using a boxer's the in-out attack) which he certainly is capable of, he may have a small of winning. But I don't see him beating a prime Pac with the style he brings and especially at this time in his career.

Your counter?

i dont think Naz is 5'3 i have a fight video on him against MAB, i think he is 5'6 or 5'7.

MAB only throws one punch at a time he doesnt follow it up. Thats why MAB easily kicked his ass.

While Pacman throws alot of 1-5 combos on the head, MAB has no ans on that. He just eat a lot of left hands. Everytime he blocks there are more punches coming he can't see it.

You lost credibility on the last fight you predicted ("OMG LACY KO'S CALZAGHE IN LIKE 3 ROUNDS D00D!"). Now go away.



I never seen Calzaghe fight before. So i just went with what i thought best. WOW one fight i predicted that went wrong. Only one person would know that........hmmmmm i wonder who :rolleyes:


Besides Pac IMO would take out Hammed atleast in a round or two. He was all hype untill he got in a ring with a real champ. Pac is fast and strong and beat barrera. Barrera beat Hammed but now imagine Manny Pac's super lightning fists tagging Hammed face. Brutal KO stopage for Manny Pac. He is going to take over 125+.


I never seen anything good come out of Nassem Hammed. Just a unorthodoxed ****y ass fighter who got his ass handed to him on HBO on April 7, 2001 10:30 Pm ET also got his face smashed on the turnbuckle!

I wonder when this two will clash?? I will bet for HAMED.. He is one of a kind!
Hamed would have beaten Pac, but now, Im not too sure.

if/when these two clash, pacquiao will win by TKO.

hamed is a joke.

hamed has no defense, he always has his hands down. yes he bobs and weaves, but against a fast puncher like pac, he'll get tagged pretty soon. i dont know, but i really think he's an arrogant clown who got exposed by barrera. he doesn't have the heart like mab/em or pac to come back from big losses and that's what separates him from the three, and that is a big factor come fight night, not only the skills.

hamed has no defense, he always has his hands down. yes he bobs and weaves, but against a fast puncher like pac, he'll get tagged pretty soon. i dont know, but i really think he's an arrogant clown who got exposed by barrera. he doesn't have the heart like mab/em or pac to come back from big losses.
The problem is, he doesnt get tagged. Also, he has great lateral movement- something that EM and MAB did not have.

The problem is, he doesnt get tagged. Also, he has great lateral movement- something that EM and MAB did not have.

man, there's the law of averages, pretty soon he'll get tagged. and how many fast punchers he met like pac? his lateral movements didn't do much against mab, and mab's not as quick as pac. remember, pac's arsenal now is not only the straight left.

Thanks Morancito. I see your your point. But remember that Pac is also at his best when slugging it out with his opponent. With his faster hands, chances are his bombs will land on Naz's head ahead of NAz's haymakers. Both fighters have awkward balance but Naz has the more tendency of getting off-balance when throwing his wild punches and exposes his head - an easy target for Pac's hooks and the 2 right left straight. Pac can also use his body attacks to slow Naz down like he did with Erik. Pac is also the bigger fighter than the two IMO and has the longer reach. I think Naz is only 5'3" but may have the wider body. If Naz chooses to dance around (using a boxer's the in-out attack) which he certainly is capable of, he may have a small of winning. But I don't see him beating a prime Pac with the style he brings and especially at this time in his career.

Your counter?

I know. But that is also the style against which Naz was at his best. You people forget that Naz, while being a showoff and sometimes even a clown, had some serious skills and above everything, some serious power.

As I said, I would still favor Pac vs a prime Naz, but the fight would be a hell of a lot more competitive than the Barrera bout, where the Prince had absolutely no shot at winning from the get go.

An even worse matchup for Naz would have been JMM. I don't see the Prince winning 2 rounds in that one.

I know. But that is also the style against which Naz was at his best. You people forget that Naz, while being a showoff and sometimes even a clown, had some serious skills and above everything, some serious power.

As I said, I would still favor Pac vs a prime Naz, but the fight would be a hell of a lot more competitive than the Barrera bout, where the Prince had absolutely no shot at winning from the get go.

An even worse matchup for Naz would have been JMM. I don't see the Prince winning 2 rounds in that one.
Naz - Barrera was equal up until the 8th round.

People learn from there mistakes so I dont think Naz would make the same mistake twice.

Naz - Barrera was equal up until the 8th round.

I respectfully disagree. The fight was clearly going at the pace Barrera was setting.

Let me put it this way: did you think, at any moment after the third or fourth round, that Naz had a chance of winning?

I'm not trying to downsize Naz's stature as a fighter, but to say a prime Naz beats Barrera is simply not right. You could make an argument for Naz against Morales and even Pac. Not against Barrera.

The problem is, he doesnt get tagged. Also, he has great lateral movement- something that EM and MAB did not have.
Great lateral movement? I didn't see that in the MAB fight. WHat I saw was a clown getting his face flushed by repeated blows coming from MAB.

Against an elite like PAC. What he will get are shattered brains. Mark my words. If ever NAz thinks he's stupid enough to fight PAC with his B-level skills, then it will be very bad for him.

MAB has exposed NAZ as nothing more than a clown. People saying that he can stand up to PAC is out of their nuts. Where's the logic? It's no question NAz is a quitter and a fighter who aint have the guts to recover from bad losses.

i dont think Naz is 5'3 i have a fight video on him against MAB, i think he is 5'6 or 5'7.

MAB only throws one punch at a time he doesnt follow it up. Thats why MAB easily kicked his ass.

While Pacman throws alot of 1-5 combos on the head, MAB has no ans on that. He just eat a lot of left hands. Everytime he blocks there are more punches coming he can't see it.
u got to be kiddin me man MAB does follow his punches. If u dont think he does i think u havent seeen him fight

u got to be kiddin me man MAB does follow his punches. If u dont think he does i think u havent seeen him fight

boinks! what i mean is Naz :D that was a mistake bro.

LOL yeah i agree with u on that one

I wonder when this two will clash?? I will bet for HAMED.. He is one of a kind!


your havin a laugh mate Hamed would get knocked ****in clean out, Manny Pac is top man at feather or super feather, if he can knock out Barrera and Morales what makes you think Hamed will do any better, before or after a 3 yr lay off

i dont think Naz is 5'3 i have a fight video on him against MAB, i think he is 5'6 or 5'7.

MAB only throws one punch at a time he doesnt follow it up. Thats why MAB easily kicked his ass.

While Pacman throws alot of 1-5 combos on the head, MAB has no ans on that. He just eat a lot of left hands. Everytime he blocks there are more punches coming he can't see it.

Here's what I got on the web:

Naz
Boxrec: Height – 5’4 1/2”, Reach - 64”
BBC Sport: Height – 5’3”, Reach - 68”
BoxingGurus: Height – 5’5”, Reach – 63”
Naz Website: Height – 5’3”, Reach - 63”
DOB: 2/12/74

Pac
Boxrec: Height - 5’6 1/2”, Reach – 67”
BoxingGurus: Height – 5’6 1/2”, Reach - 67”
********: Height – 5’6 1/2” Reach - 67”
Pac website: Height – 5’6 1/2”, Reach - 67”
DOB: 12/17/78

Even if you take the averages of both, Pac is clearly the taller and has longer reach. Naz might have the wider body tho.

your havin a laugh mate Hamed would get knocked ****in clean out, Manny Pac is top man at feather or super feather, if he can knock out Barrera and Morales what makes you think Hamed will do any better, before or after a 3 yr lay off


I DON'T THINK HE CAN KNOCK OUT HAMED... :boxing:

Here's what I got on the web:

Naz
Boxrec: Height – 5’4 1/2”, Reach - 64”
BBC Sport: Height – 5’3”, Reach - 68”
BoxingGurus: Height – 5’5”, Reach – 63”
Naz Website: Height – 5’3”, Reach - 63”
DOB: 2/12/74

Pac
Boxrec: Height - 5’6 1/2”, Reach – 67”
BoxingGurus: Height – 5’6 1/2”, Reach - 67”
********: Height – 5’6 1/2” Reach - 67”
Pac website: Height – 5’6 1/2”, Reach - 67”
DOB: 12/17/78

Even if you take the averages of both, Pac is clearly the taller and has longer reach. Naz might have the wider body tho.

ok tnx Janno. I never thought that Naz is very short.

Pac might be able to outwork Naz but a motizated Naz could KO Pac. Its tough to pick because Naz was the type to try to get away with just training enough.

your havin a laugh mate Hamed would get knocked ****in clean out, Manny Pac is top man at feather or super feather, if he can knock out Barrera and Morales what makes you think Hamed will do any better, before or after a 3 yr lay off

Styles make fights and that is boxing.

It depends on how he does in his first match I cant judge like that