I think they will kick The Eagles asses. Anybody think the Pats can be beat?

I think they will kick The Eagles asses. Anybody think the Pats can be beat?

i think they can be but the eagles will have to play their best game this season. a healthy T.O is something the eagles will benifit greatly from

With 2 weeks to prepare Bill Bellicheck will tear them apart.pats27 eagles13.Back to back baby.

I think they will kick The Eagles asses. Anybody think the Pats can be beat?


The Pats are insane but I think the Eagles are the only team that could take them. I think they could beat them based strictly on talent alone.

The Eagles front four on the D-line is probably the second best in the NFL behind a healthy Carolina line. Simon, Walker, Douglas, Kearse, Thomas, and Burgess all play well and put a lot of pressure on the QB. I mean hey, look at what happened to Brady when the Dolphins put that kind of pressure on him.

The Eagles linebackers and corners over achieve. Trotter is a stud and Sheppard has shown that he can shut a good wideout down. The safeties are excellent in Dawkins and Lewis.

If they get TO back you'll have the deep threat available and TONS of pressure would be taken off Westbrook. Mitchell and Pinkston are playing well too.

Having said all of this, I think the Pats will win 24-21 or something around there. Oh yeah, and the Eagles have a great O-Line too.

Ive got a feeling T.O. will be back, I think the press is bull****ting when they said hes had setbacks in rehab.

The patriots can't be stopped. They don't make mistakes hardly at all. The way they played on Sunday was unreal. They truly play as a team.

It should be a good Game.

If t.o. plays i want to seem him get smashed like they did to stokley, i think it was him.

plain and simple, NO THEY CANT! :D

from the way they are playing, they'll win it all over again...

I think the Eagles have the superior individual talent but the Patriots have the better TEAM. I don't expect T.O. to be much of a factor except for possibly drawing coverage away from other receivers. The patriots are consumate professionals who have been there before and Bellichick is probably the best X's and O's guy in the league. It will take a Herculean effort on the part of the Eagle's Defense to give them any chance in this game.

The Eagles are prone to mistakes, the Pats take full advantage of the opponents mistakes. I see no way for the Eagles to win. In fact, I would be surprised if it was close. I'm looking for an old school Super Bowl blowout.

If TO and Reid are really playing games and TO's healthy...the Pats are going to have their hands full. I'll pull for Brady over anyone else in the NFL but I really think the Eagles could pull off the "upset".

I was really going for the Steelers, so I could give 2 ****s now. I think The Pats will win because the Eagles are going to choke. T.O. is not a big game performer.

I think the Pats are so good is because they don't have guys like T.O on the team.

remember who told you, Eagles will defeat the patriots

remember who told you, Eagles will defeat the patriots
Well, it's not going out on a limb when you have a 50% chance of being right. When I said the Red Sox would win 4 str8 against The Yanks, that was noteworthy.

Well, it's not going out on a limb when you have a 50% chance of being right. When I said the Red Sox would win 4 str8 against The Yanks, that was noteworthy.

i would normally agree, but most of the country thinks the pats are unbeatable and arent giving the Eagles a shot, i think it will be one hell of a game. you predicted that? if thats true its a little more than noteworthy, i hope you threw some cash down on that

i would normally agree, but most of the country thinks the pats are unbeatable and arent giving the Eagles a shot, i think it will be one hell of a game. you predicted that? if thats true its a little more than noteworthy, i hope you threw some cash down on that
My friends little brother is a die hard Yankees fan. He was telling me how the Yanks are going all the way, and sarcastically I predicted the Red Sox would win 4 str8, and they some how did it. It was funny as hell.

I've been saying Eags/Pats all year...I knew Roethlisbergr wouldn't be able to handle the kind of pressure the playoff Pats bring. My final prediction is Pats beats the Eagles 24-21...but I wouldn't be surprised if the Eagles stole it either. They are the only team in the NFC that even had to shot to beat an AFC superbowl team. The Steelers need to get Joey Porter some help on the other side. Clark Haggans ain't cuttin it (even though he had a sack).

I predicted at the begining of the season that the Eagles would beat the Pats in the Big Game. I still think it is possible, but the Eagles are going to have to put on a defensive display similar to the Bucs a couple years back.

Believe me, a lot of people nation wide think the Eagles will win. 6.5-7 points isn't that big a spread.

I can think of a few games Super Bowls where the spread was well over 20 points and the favorite still covered. San Fran - Broncos and San Fran - San Diego to name a few.

My friends little brother is a die hard Yankees fan. He was telling me how the Yanks are going all the way, and sarcastically I predicted the Red Sox would win 4 str8, and they some how did it. It was funny as hell.

technically they beat the Yankees in 7. winning the last 4 was very surprising considering they got destroyed in game 3 and were 1 inning away from defeat in game 5 and game 6 with the greatest closer in post season history on the mound. Of course after 86 years of nothing they were bound to win some time.


What's that saying "even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then" :p

The funniest part of living up here in Red Sox Nation is how everyone had jumped ship and were bashing the Red Sox left and right after going down 3-0 and then after they came back and won everyone was saying that they never doubted it for a second.

riiiiight :rolleyes:

What's that saying "even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then" :p

A penis joke? Very mature.

A penis joke? Very mature.

That's not a penis joke you dumbass. :rolleyes: It means they got lucky.

Jesus dude, stay in school. Seriously. lmao

I was really going for the Steelers, so I could give 2 ****s now. I think The Pats will win because the Eagles are going to choke. T.O. is not a big game performer.

I feel the exact same way...I no longer care who wins (long as its not the Pats! :D )

I predicted at the begining of the season that the Eagles would beat the Pats in the Big Game. I still think it is possible, but the Eagles are going to have to put on a defensive display similar to the Bucs a couple years back.

Believe me, a lot of people nation wide think the Eagles will win. 6.5-7 points isn't that big a spread.

I can think of a few games Super Bowls where the spread was well over 20 points and the favorite still covered. San Fran - Broncos and San Fran - San Diego to name a few.


....I don't remember any superbowl spread being over 20 points. That sounds more like Florida/Vandy stuff to me. :)

....I don't remember any superbowl spread being over 20 points. That sounds more like Florida/Vandy stuff to me. :)


Believe it. I bet on both of those games. I don't remember the spread when the 85 Bears took on the Grogan led patriots but I think it may have 20+ as well.

This is gonna be a low scroing game. Both teams have a solid D and Eagles are gonna run Brady out of teh pocket. Mcnabb will get frustrated in finding open recievers. Anywho, the Pats look so good I cant picture anyone beating them.

The pats think they are beatable, It's that fear that keeps them on their game. They are humble.

T.O. will not be a factor healthy or not. Just like Marvin Harrison, Hines Ward, Eric Molds, Santana Moss, Isaac Bruce, and the countless others. The Pats played The Eagles in the preseason. I watched that game and the pats owned T.O.

I wont make a prediction on this game, I believe it's bad luck. I will however offer some perspective. If the pats win this Superbowl, Bill Belichick will surpass Vince Lombardy's NFL playoff record of 8-1. You know........... the guy who's name is on the trophy.

That's not a penis joke you dumbass. :rolleyes: It means they got lucky.

Jesus dude, stay in school. Seriously. lmao
It's called humor.

I predicted at the begining of the season that the Eagles would beat the Pats in the Big Game. I still think it is possible, but the Eagles are going to have to put on a defensive display similar to the Bucs a couple years back.

Believe me, a lot of people nation wide think the Eagles will win. 6.5-7 points isn't that big a spread.

I can think of a few games Super Bowls where the spread was well over 20 points and the favorite still covered. San Fran - Broncos and San Fran - San Diego to name a few.
Remember the Bears and New England. I think I was the only person outside of Boston that was rooting for New England. I knew they didnt stand a chance.

The pats think they are beatable, It's that fear that keeps them on their game. They are humble.

T.O. will not be a factor healthy or not. Just like Marvin Harrison, Hines Ward, Eric Molds, Santana Moss, Isaac Bruce, and the countless others. The Pats played The Eagles in the preseason. I watched that game and the pats owned T.O.

I wont make a prediction on this game, I believe it's bad luck. I will however offer some perspective. If the pats win this Superbowl, Bill Belichick will surpass Vince Lombardy's NFL playoff record of 8-1. You know........... the guy who's name is on the trophy.


TO is much different than the other receivers you named...who are all good in their own distinct way. Not one of those receivers you named are as strong, physical, or get as much separation as TO. Hines is strong but is small. Harrison and Moss are speedsters. Bruce is well past his prime and Moulds had Drew Bledsoes sorry ass throwing to him.

Belichek also helped the Tuna to win his SB trophy as his offensive coordinator. If the Pats win, Belichek and Brady are both all time greats and Bill might just be the greatest head coach of all time. Brady is so Montana'ish its not funny...even though his reg season numbers won't stack up.

TO is much different than the other receivers you named...who are all good in their own distinct way. Not one of those receivers you named are as strong, physical, or get as much separation as TO. Hines is strong but is small. Harrison and Moss are speedsters. Bruce is well past his prime and Moulds had Drew Bledsoes sorry ass throwing to him.

Belichek also helped the Tuna to win his SB trophy as his offensive coordinator. If the Pats win, Belichek and Brady are both all time greats and Bill might just be the greatest head coach of all time. Brady is so Montana'ish its not funny...even though his reg season numbers won't stack up.

It doesn't matter, One player never makes a difference against them. If T.O. plays, he will get his yards. But he wont win the game for them.

Brady's reg season record as a starter = 48W - 14L
Brady's playoff record = 8W- 0L

Brady's numbers after 4 seasons as a Starter
61.6% completion
13925 yards
97 touchdowns
52 ints

Montana's Numbers after 4 Seasons as a Starter
couldn't find his percentage but I know it was good.
11883 Yards
77 touchdowns
44 ints

It doesn't matter, One player never makes a difference against them. If T.O. plays, he will get his yards. But he wont win the game for them.

Brady's reg season record as a starter = 48W - 14L
Brady's playoff record = 8W- 0L

Brady's numbers after 4 seasons as a Starter
61.6% completion
13925 yards
97 touchdowns
52 ints

Montana's Numbers after 4 Seasons as a Starter
couldn't find his percentage but I know it was good.
11883 Yards
77 touchdowns
44 ints


Saying TO won't make a difference is foolish...especially a healthy TO. Just Owens presence alone will stretch their D and leave the middle of the field open for guys like Westbrook and Mitchell. Owens in the lineup takes so much pressure off of Westbrook it's not funny...and Westbrook might actually be the most dangerous guy on the Eagles entire team. The combination of Owens/Westbrook/McNabb is certainly enough to trouble the Pats for the entire game...I think we'll see guys like Pinkston and LJ Smith exploit their matchups against linebackers and inferior, smaller defensive backs. Remember, Todd Pinkston may be a *****, but he can certainly get separation and make things happen on the field.

Those were nice stats...Brady sucked at Michigan but has excelled in the pros. He's a class guy too...he used to go down to the UofM hospital and visit sick or injured kids with his spare time. I'd see him around campus sometimes. He also doesn't have the luxury of Jerry Rice to throw to either. I believe Montana's postseason record stood at 16-7 with 4 superbowls to his credit so Brady is not far behind.

Right now Brady's up on Montana in terms of career winning percentage...Montana is #1 in the this category, I believe. Hard to see him keeping this up in the era of free agency, though...sooner or later the Pats will fall.

The reason Brady doesn't have any post season losses is because the year after their first SB win they didn't even make the post season. :eek:

If you look at Belichick entire career as a head coach he is above average but not even close to the greatest ever. The problem is peopl just pay attention to the last 4 years and don't look at his entire career.

Here is Belichick's coaching record

2004 New England Patriots 16 14 2 0 .875 2 0
2003 New England Patriots 16 14 2 0 .875 3 0
2002 New England Patriots 16 9 7 0 .563 -- --
2001 New England Patriots 16 11 5 0 .688 3 0
2000 New England Patriots 16 5 11 0 .313 -- --
1995 Cleveland Browns 16 5 11 0 .313 -- --
1994 Cleveland Browns 16 11 5 0 .688 1 1
1993 Cleveland Browns 16 7 9 0 .438 -- --
1992 Cleveland Browns 16 7 9 0 .438 -- --
1991 Cleveland Browns 16 6 10 0 .375 -- --
YEAR TEAM G W L T Pct PostW PostL

CAREER 10 years 160 89 71 0 .556 9 1

1991-2000 - Crappy Head Coach
2001-2004 - Great Head Coach

Average it out = Slightly above average Head Coach

The reason Brady doesn't have any post season losses is because the year after their first SB win they didn't even make the post season. :eek:

If you look at Belichick entire career as a head coach he is above average but not even close to the greatest ever. The problem is peopl just pay attention to the last 4 years and don't look at his entire career.


You must also factor in his work with Parcells as an offensive coordinator. Do you really think the Tuna wins without Belichick?

The thing is...theres no reason to believe that the Pats are going away any time soon. They use their draft picks perfectly almost every year. I mean look at what they got this year...Vince Wilfork...who could start for many teams right now. Before that it was Asante Samuel, who is a good nickel corner and is now starting effectively in Ty Law's place. They are like the San Antonio Spurs of the NFL. Their free agent acquisitions aren't too shabby either. The young receiving core with Givens, Bethel Johnson, and Deion Branch will be consistent for years to come.

The Pats only areas of concern should be their offensive line and secondary. If they could get a bookend tackle or stud Guard they would be much better off. Ty Law and Tyrone Poole are getting a bit up there in age so another fast corner with good instincts would really benefit them.

Here is Belichick's coaching record

2004 New England Patriots 16 14 2 0 .875 2 0
2003 New England Patriots 16 14 2 0 .875 3 0
2002 New England Patriots 16 9 7 0 .563 -- --
2001 New England Patriots 16 11 5 0 .688 3 0
2000 New England Patriots 16 5 11 0 .313 -- --
1995 Cleveland Browns 16 5 11 0 .313 -- --
1994 Cleveland Browns 16 11 5 0 .688 1 1
1993 Cleveland Browns 16 7 9 0 .438 -- --
1992 Cleveland Browns 16 7 9 0 .438 -- --
1991 Cleveland Browns 16 6 10 0 .375 -- --
YEAR TEAM G W L T Pct PostW PostL

CAREER 10 years 160 89 71 0 .556 9 1

1991-2000 - Crappy Head Coach
2001-2004 - Great Head Coach

Average it out = Slightly above average Head Coach


Just his work in the postseason ALONE makes him a great head coach. No other coach in the league today can outscheme him and no other coach could have done what he's done with the amount of defensive injuries they have experienced. He uses his teams abilities perfectly (see Troy Brown :D )

Here is Belichick's coaching record

2004 New England Patriots 16 14 2 0 .875 2 0
2003 New England Patriots 16 14 2 0 .875 3 0
2002 New England Patriots 16 9 7 0 .563 -- --
2001 New England Patriots 16 11 5 0 .688 3 0
2000 New England Patriots 16 5 11 0 .313 -- --
1995 Cleveland Browns 16 5 11 0 .313 -- --
1994 Cleveland Browns 16 11 5 0 .688 1 1
1993 Cleveland Browns 16 7 9 0 .438 -- --
1992 Cleveland Browns 16 7 9 0 .438 -- --
1991 Cleveland Browns 16 6 10 0 .375 -- --
YEAR TEAM G W L T Pct PostW PostL

CAREER 10 years 160 89 71 0 .556 9 1

1991-2000 - Crappy Head Coach
2001-2004 - Great Head Coach

Average it out = Slightly above average Head Coach

After winning few games into 1995 season, Art Modell told the Cleveland media he was moving the Browns team to Baltimore. The fans and team went in the tank after that. Hard to blame the coach for that. This season was out of his control.

Other than the 1995 season, he improved the Browns every year.

Don't forget he was the Jets head coach for a day.

The 2000 season W/Pats was a rebuilding year. The pats were a sinking ship when he took over.

Ironic that the only other playoff win Belichick has is against the Patriots and Parcells in 1994.

The pats think they are beatable, It's that fear that keeps them on their game. They are humble.

T.O. will not be a factor healthy or not. Just like Marvin Harrison, Hines Ward, Eric Molds, Santana Moss, Isaac Bruce, and the countless others. The Pats played The Eagles in the preseason. I watched that game and the pats owned T.O.
TO is much different than the other receivers you named...who are all good in their own distinct way. Not one of those receivers you named are as strong, physical, or get as much separation as TO. Hines is strong but is small. Harrison and Moss are speedsters. Bruce is well past his prime and Moulds had Drew Bledsoes sorry ass throwing to him.

It doesn't matter, One player never makes a difference against them. If T.O. plays, he will get his yards. But he won't win the game for them.

I hate to say it, but I told you so.

Oh, and did you say Hines Ward is small? 6' 200lbs
He is smaller than TO but not really a small wideout.

Well you didn't tell me much Torino. I never said that TO would single handedly win the game for them. In fact, I predicted the game almost flawlessly (Check out the Superbowl thread by Soundtraveler...you guys didn't even get close to the rundown I gave my roommates). To say TO's 9 catches for 122 yards had no impact on the game would be nothing short of blasphemy. TO had an impact...but McNabb simply turned the ball over too much. TO just didn't have any touchdowns. But when you look at that you have to look at the guy who may have had the biggest impact on the game in Deion Branch...he didn't have any TD's but he certainly helped out a lot.

As far as Hines Ward goes...he's average sized...but he plays like he's 6'5 225. He may be the strongest receiver in the league outside of TO and mr juice David Boston.

Well you didn't tell me much Torino. I never said that TO would single handedly win the game for them. In fact, I predicted the game almost flawlessly (Check out the Superbowl thread by Soundtraveler...you guys didn't even get close to the rundown I gave my roommates). To say TO's 9 catches for 122 yards had no impact on the game would be nothing short of blasphemy. TO had an impact...but McNabb simply turned the ball over too much. TO just didn't have any touchdowns. But when you look at that you have to look at the guy who may have had the biggest impact on the game in Deion Branch...he didn't have any TD's but he certainly helped out a lot.

As far as Hines Ward goes...he's average sized...but he plays like he's 6'5 225. He may be the strongest receiver in the league outside of TO and mr juice David Boston.
I know you take a lot of pride in your predictions of this game. I'm not saying anything about that, I wasn't involved in any other conversations with you. You did a Good Job! You can still be the self proclaimed great prognosticator.

Now I will try to put our argument into perspective for you.

First, don't put words in my mouth, I never said T.O. would have NO impact. I said "HE WILL NOT BE A FACTOR" in the outcome of the game, and he wasn't. I said "T.O. WILL GET HIS YARDS BUT WILL NOT WIN THE GAME FOR THE EAGLES".

You disagreed and said TO will make a difference. You called me foolish for saying TO won't make a difference.
Saying TO won't make a difference is foolish...especially a healthy TO.
Foolish ?........T.O. GOT HIS YARDS BUT DIDN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE! THE EAGLES STILL LOST! YOU WERE WRONG! I WAS RIGHT!Give some credit where credit is due. It builds character to admit when you are wrong and vise versa when you don't.

Second, you said Hines Ward was "SMALL", now you say he is average. Make your mind up.

My Superbowl MVP = Rodney Harrison
one of what you call "small Patriot defensive backs"

Wheres the difference? Can you or anybody else tell me how the two statements are different?

Having NO impact and NOT being a factor are the EXACT SAME THING. At least they are in my book. How are you disagreeing with the fact that TO made a difference in the game? Would you go so far as to say that they were better off without him? 9 catches, 122 yards = being a factor in the game. I never said he'd change the game by himself even though on some small scale he did.

You are making bold claims that I was wrong when in fact I wasn't. Anyone else looking in from the outside will tell you that TO's catches weren't meaningless to the game...or they will tell you that they were a factor in the game. Just because the Eagles lost a close game and TO didn't score doesn't mean that TO was a non factor. Two of them actually put the Eagles inside of the 40 yard line (pick play and his catch were he spun the defensive back). McNabb just couldn't capitalize and showed his weakness by throwing picks in the heat of the game. Hell, I think the entirety of the ESPN crew agrees with me.

As for Hines Ward...off the top of my head I thought he was like 5'11 ish and 190 which in my eyes isn't a big receiver...when in fact he was really an inch taller and 10 pounds heavier. Are you really that hung up on what I said? He's not universally known as a big reveicer...that's for guys like Moss, Andre Johnson, Burress, TO...etc etc.

And when did I say anything about Rodney HArrison? Everyone knows he's a monster...you aren't on an island when you picked him as your MVP hombre. I picked Brady (it should have been Brady) but Deion Branch is deserving as well.

Wheres the difference? Can you or anybody else tell me how the two statements are different?

Having NO impact and NOT being a factor are the EXACT SAME THING. At least they are in my book. How are you disagreeing with the fact that TO made a difference in the game? Would you go so far as to say that they were better off without him? 9 catches, 122 yards = being a factor in the game. I never said he'd change the game by himself even though on some small scale he did.

You are making bold claims that I was wrong when in fact I wasn't. Anyone else looking in from the outside will tell you that TO's catches weren't meaningless to the game...or they will tell you that they were a factor in the game. Just because the Eagles lost a close game and TO didn't score doesn't mean that TO was a non factor. Two of them actually put the Eagles inside of the 40 yard line (pick play and his catch were he spun the defensive back). McNabb just couldn't capitalize and showed his weakness by throwing picks in the heat of the game. Hell, I think the entirety of the ESPN crew agrees with me.

As for Hines Ward...off the top of my head I thought he was like 5'11 ish and 190 which in my eyes isn't a big receiver...when in fact he was really an inch taller and 10 pounds heavier. Are you really that hung up on what I said? He's not universally known as a big reveicer...that's for guys like Moss, Andre Johnson, Burress, TO...etc etc.

And when did I say anything about Rodney HArrison? Everyone knows he's a monster...you aren't on an island when you picked him as your MVP hombre. I picked Brady (it should have been Brady) but Deion Branch is deserving as well.

That guy always have to get the last word in and isn't satisfied til he thinks he's made you look stupid. Just ask LuKahn Li...

good call, old gringo, on your prediction

HEY, clean out your mailbox - I have like 5 downloads for you...

That guy always have to get the last word in and isn't satisfied til he thinks he's made you look stupid. Just ask LuKahn Li...

good call, old gringo, on your prediction

HEY, clean out your mailbox - I have like 5 downloads for you...

Sad but true...I tried to discuss something that was NOT about Klitschko with him and he was just rude..I should have known better than to even try..gives me a headache! :confused:

Sad but true...I tried to discuss something that was NOT about Klitschko with him and he was just rude..I should have known better than to even try..gives me a headache! :confused:

Funny how Klitschko and Bush guys are usually one and the same...

Funny how Klitschko and Bush guys are usually one and the same...

Bush guys? I dont know anything about all that cause I stayed away from all the political threads :o

My unbiased opinion is next season the Cincinnati Bengals will beat the hell out of the Pats and any other team that gets in there way.
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My unbiased opinion is next season the Cincinnati Bengals will beat the hell out of the Pats and any other team that gets in there way.
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"no more beer for you,Queen City!" :D

My unbiased opinion is next season the Cincinnati Bengals will beat the hell out of the Pats and any other team that gets in there way.
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i think the bengals will be pretty good next year. carson palmer will have improved and rudi johnson is a solid running back. they also have some good recievers like that dude with that long ass name and chad johnson. do they still have peter warrick? i think he is good as well. i think carolina will do well next year, julius peppers is a beast and he should get dpoy.

"no more beer for you,Queen City!" :D

I gotta get that copyrighted

Wheres the difference? Can you or anybody else tell me how the two statements are different?

Having NO impact and NOT being a factor are the EXACT SAME THING. At least they are in my book. How are you disagreeing with the fact that TO made a difference in the game? Would you go so far as to say that they were better off without him? 9 catches, 122 yards = being a factor in the game. I never said he'd change the game by himself even though on some small scale he did.

You are making bold claims that I was wrong when in fact I wasn't. Anyone else looking in from the outside will tell you that TO's catches weren't meaningless to the game...or they will tell you that they were a factor in the game. Just because the Eagles lost a close game and TO didn't score doesn't mean that TO was a non factor. Two of them actually put the Eagles inside of the 40 yard line (pick play and his catch were he spun the defensive back). McNabb just couldn't capitalize and showed his weakness by throwing picks in the heat of the game. Hell, I think the entirety of the ESPN crew agrees with me.

As for Hines Ward...off the top of my head I thought he was like 5'11 ish and 190 which in my eyes isn't a big receiver...when in fact he was really an inch taller and 10 pounds heavier. Are you really that hung up on what I said? He's not universally known as a big reveicer...that's for guys like Moss, Andre Johnson, Burress, TO...etc etc.

And when did I say anything about Rodney HArrison? Everyone knows he's a monster...you aren't on an island when you picked him as your MVP hombre. I picked Brady (it should have been Brady) but Deion Branch is deserving as well.
OK............. Once again ........ T.O. wasn't a factor in the outcome of the game. Period!

I said " T.O. would get his yards. he did! I said he won't win the game. he didn't!

Speak for yourself, Do you realy think I'm going to try to catch what everyone else says on a bunch of different TV shows to see if they agree with you? Now That's Foolish.

T.O playing didn't make a difference, The Eagles still lost! T.O's catches were meaningless, The Eagles still lost!
T.O wasn't a factor, The Eagles still lost!


THE EAGLES LOST! TO didn't matter!

How many ways do you want me to say it? I said TO won't win the game for the Eagles, you said I was Foolish. YOU WERE WRONG.

Oh, and I thought I would add who I thought the MVP was, Rodney Harrison, one of what you call "the Patiots small DB's.

That guy always have to get the last word in and isn't satisfied til he thinks he's made you look stupid. Just ask LuKahn Li...

good call, old gringo, on your prediction

HEY, clean out your mailbox - I have like 5 downloads for you...
I only stick up for myself. The only ones that complain about it are the ones that I have proven incorrect. If I don't have facts, I rarely argue.

Sad but true...I tried to discuss something that was NOT about Klitschko with him and he was just rude..I should have known better than to even try..gives me a headache! :confused:


You are the one who rudely commented on my opinion. You start the exchanges. Still upset about a previous argument, carrying it over to other topics. Unsuccessfully out to get me at every chance. Good Luck.

I just ignore your attempts to provoke me.

You are the one with a vendetta. Let it go!

OK............. Once again ........ T.O. wasn't a factor in the outcome of the game. Period!

I said " T.O. would get his yards. he did! I said he won't win the game. he didn't!

Speak for yourself, Do you realy think I'm going to try to catch what everyone else says on a bunch of different TV shows to see if they agree with you? Now That's Foolish.

T.O playing didn't make a difference, The Eagles still lost! T.O's catches were meaningless, The Eagles still lost!
T.O wasn't a factor, The Eagles still lost!


THE EAGLES LOST! TO didn't matter!

How many ways do you want me to say it? I said TO won't win the game for the Eagles, you said I was Foolish. YOU WERE WRONG.

Oh, and I thought I would add who I thought the MVP was, Rodney Harrison, one of what you call "the Patiots small DB's.


Well I guess we cannot see eye to eye...I think TO had an impact in the game...you don't and that's fine.

Would you say the MVP's (Deion Branch) catches were meaningless? I mean, he must have had an impact on the game if he won the MVP right? Well he didn't score and only had two more catches than TO and like 11 more yards and he was still beneficial to the Pats right? Proving the fact that YOU DONT HAVE TO SCORE TO BE A FACTOR ON THE OUTCOME OF THE GAME. You can't comprehend that DONOVAN MCNABB made the mistakes in the red zone...NOT TERRELL OWENS. A offense is NOTHING if the QB makes mistakes in scoring situations...which McNabb clearly did. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that TO made his mark after coming back from a leg injury. Had TO not scored and say the Eagles happened to score and beat the Pats by some lucky hail mary...you wouldn't be singing the same tune.

You make it seem as if I was sitting here saying that TO would have 10 catches for 150 yards and 3 touchdowns in an Eagles blowout. I was extremely real about how the entire game would go. Say it to yourself..."TO had an impact...McNabb just ****ed up when he had a chance to win it."

Please QUOTE where I said Rodney HArrison and the Patriots defensive back are small. Oh wait thats right you can't because I never said it. However...I wouldnt call a pair of 5'11 corner backs "big". Quit trying to steal my thunder Torino.

Hey Neils I deleted some stuff from my inbox.

The Vikings are like 40 mill under the cap. If they use their money wisely in the free agent market they could be go from pretenders to conteders next year. DE-FENCE :D

Well I guess we cannot see eye to eye...I think TO had an impact in the game...you don't and that's fine. I said " T.O. Will Get His Yards But Won't Win The Game For The Eagles." You said that was foolish.
It is what it is. You can try to twist it to fit your agenda if you would like.

Would you say the MVP's (Deion Branch) catches were meaningless? I mean, he must have had an impact on the game if he won the MVP right? Well he didn't score and only had two more catches than TO and like 11 more yards and he was still beneficial to the Pats right? Proving the fact that YOU DONT HAVE TO SCORE TO BE A FACTOR ON THE OUTCOME OF THE GAME. You can't comprehend that DONOVAN MCNABB made the mistakes in the red zone...NOT TERRELL OWENS. A offense is NOTHING if the QB makes mistakes in scoring situations...which McNabb clearly did. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that TO made his mark after coming back from a leg injury. Had TO not scored and say the Eagles happened to score and beat the Pats by some lucky hail mary...you wouldn't be singing the same tune.
I said " T.O. Will Get His Yards But Won't Win The Game For The Eagles."
It is what it is. I never said he had to score. Again, you can try to twist it to fit your agenda.

Oh, and Branch made a difference, the Patiots won.

You make it seem as if I was sitting here saying that TO would have 10 catches for 150 yards and 3 touchdowns in an Eagles blowout. I was extremely real about how the entire game would go. Say it to yourself..."TO had an impact...McNabb just ****ed up when he had a chance to win it."

Please QUOTE where I said Rodney HArrison and the Patriots defensive back are small. Oh wait thats right you can't because I never said it. However...I wouldnt call a pair of 5'11 corner backs "big". Quit trying to steal my thunder Torino.

Ask and you shall recieve. This is your post.
Saying TO won't make a difference is foolish...especially a healthy TO. Just Owens presence alone will stretch their D and leave the middle of the field open for guys like Westbrook and Mitchell. Owens in the lineup takes so much pressure off of Westbrook it's not funny...and Westbrook might actually be the most dangerous guy on the Eagles entire team. The combination of Owens/Westbrook/McNabb is certainly enough to trouble the Pats for the entire game...I think we'll see guys like Pinkston and LJ Smith exploit their matchups against linebackers and inferior, smaller defensive backs. Remember, Todd Pinkston may be a *****, but he can certainly get separation and make things happen on the field.
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According to you, the Patiots DB's are Small and Inferior. And just the presence of T.O. alone would make a difference.
As I said, It didn't matter if T.O. was healthy or not or if he even played. He wasn't going to win the game for the Eagles. The Pats won and T.O. didn't make a difference. If he made a difference than the Eagles would have won. He didn't. They Lost.

now .... have some dignity .....say it to yourself ......T.O. GOT HIS YARDS BUT HE DIDN'T WIN THE GAME FOR THE EAGLES. Torino was right.

You can try to twist it to fit your agenda if you would like.


I've been waiting for that signature phrase for 2 pages now...thanks :D

An Interesting, humorous read...and a chance for Torino to dissect and analyze in multiple quotation blocks as well...

So positive on two levels

http://www.interventionmag.com/cms/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1008

Article & Essay: The Politics in the Super Bowl


The Super Bowl may have been about football, but it was also about something much more important.
By Stewart Nusbaumer

Watching the Super Bowl last night, it occurred to me that politics was everywhere. There was no political discussion, yet politics was everywhere.

In no particular order of importance, only in the order the thoughts came into my mind, this is the politics I saw during the game.

First, both teams, the Philadelphia Eagles and the New England Patriots, were from Blue states: Pennsylvania and Massachusetts. Although the game was played in a Red state, Florida, a Red state team did not qualify -- nor, if I remember correctly, came close. Evidently, the art of stealing elections is not transferable to stealing football games.

Second, defense is what brought these two teams to the Super Bowl. Good defense requires a psychology that recognizes one’s limitation, a philosophy of living within one’s means. Good defense always beats good offense because the latter too often gets lost in its own rhetoric of self-hype. The glamour kills the edge of the offensive. This is something that Bush’s “war on terror” doesn’t get, which doesn't bode well for the future security of the United States.

Third, both the Philadelphia Eagles and New England Patriots are pretty much devoid of the mega-superstars. To find the really big superstars, you need to find the losing teams. And to find the mega-superstars, simply follow the self-hype until it becomes pure lying. Lying is much more effective in the political arena, however, than on the football field. Note the tremendous success of the Republican superstars in winning their elections.

Fourth, on the football field the Eagles and Patriots excel at what the medium of television tends to obscure on your sets. That is the battle of the offensive and defensive lines, the most important part of the game. Since the cameras do not show this well, and the commentators follow the cameras, most football fans are clueless about what is the most important aspect of football. But Republicans understand what is most important, for them anyway, which is the money.

Fifth, the Dallas Cowboys did what Texas is known for: trying to bully others while attempting to hide that they are first-class wimps. Note, “bring them on” George is so far over his head in Iraq that he is now threatening to take away everyone's Social Security. This is how bullies act, whether in a football stadium or in the White House.

I remember that once the Dallas Cowboys were called “America's Team,” then the San Francisco 49ers rose to the top and now it is the New England Patriots. Something very strange is happening in America.

Sixth, the ads this year were actually tolerable. That is, the focus returned to the football game, and turned away from the sleazy peddlers of crappy products and 3rd rate tit-illation. On the other hand, the Ford ad was very interesting: “We don’t just make our trucks tough, we make you tough.” And throughout the South and the Midwest, good-old-boys suddenly had faith in themselves again.

Seventh, the Super Bowl winner is actually the league’s most well known team for acting and thinking like a real team, and not just a collection of egotistical individuals. The New England Patriots is imbued with the good old Yankee virtues of teamwork and communal achievement. The myth of radical individualism -- normally propagated by those spoon-fed with privilege and those living off insider government contracts -- was the loser in this Super Bowl. Not even Karl Rove can rewrite this script and make Red phony individualism the winner.

Finally, the Most Valuable Player was, well, not really the most valuable player. Since the award cannot be given to an entire team, or to an entire line, it must be given to someone and that someone -- actually, I can’t even remember his name. It doesn't matter. But we do need to realize that the Super Bowl winners are precariously close to old fashion socialism: it’s the team, the whole team, and nothing but the team, that wins the Super Bowl. This might confuse the South so much that it just might be in the nation's interest to dump our most dimwitted region on Mexico since they do seem to have a lot of failure in common.

“This football team [New England Patriots] is not flashy, not glamourous and their poise is derived from preparation,” Howie Long, the Fox Television commentator, said in a rare moment of lucidness. Right, Howie. And it is a Blue team. A Blue team that has won nine consecutive playoff games, tying the record, a Blue team that has now won three out of the last four Super Bowls. Howie, maybe being obsessed with hot dogging and glamour status ain’t the best way to play football.

Sure there are lots of retarded Southerners and Midwestern flakes on the New England Patriots, which just goes to show you the power of genuine American culture overcoming confused desperation repackaged as hee-haw culture. When quality is given a chance in America, which it seldom is, quality brings home the trophy.

To be honest, I don’t think the New England Patriots are kicking butt only because they are Yankee, not only because they are a product of what's best about America. Sure that is a big reason -- standing for something more than the dollar and utilizing your brains still works in America -- but it is not the only reason. It seems to me that God is watching our country, and watching it closely. Because God is fuming.

Considering American Red culture, I can’t image a more potent way for God to express his outrage towards Bush’s America than to have Massachusetts win the Super Bowl. Can you? As for George Bush, the idiot is so confused and scared he attempted to steal the team's name and call it the Patriot Act. But God knows who the winner is and what the enslaver is. God doesn't drive around in a pick up.

For all you atheists out there, I suggest you pause and reconsider the existence of a divine being, which, it seems to me -- like thinking humans on this planet -- is sick and tired of these dimwitted redneck morons screwing our country. And let's face it, us Blues do need some help.

More than half of all Americans remain too stupid to understand that a Texas swagger doesn’t mean anything on the football field, just like it doesn’t mean anything on a battlefield. They can't see the politics in this Super Bowl; they can’t understand why we will not make the Middle East a democray. And they can not understand why the winner is from the land of the solid Blue. Not just the winner, the Yankee Patriots of Massachusetts have been the winners for the third time in four years.

You are the one who rudely commented on my opinion. You start the exchanges. Still upset about a previous argument, carrying it over to other topics. Unsuccessfully out to get me at every chance. Good Luck.

I just ignore your attempts to provoke me.

You are the one with a vendetta. Let it go!

I wasnt in any way rude to you..not at all! I simply asked you why you considered Spinks ****y,,dear God, if that was rude then youre way too sensitive. I was not trying to provoke you but wont make the mistake of trying to even ask you a question in the future either..since youre easily unpset and paranoid..thinking everyone is out to get you or something. Damn, lighten up already..my question was in no way disrespectful or meant to insult..there's no way you could have even taken it that way either . :rolleyes:

You start the exchanges. Still upset about a previous argument, carrying it over to other topics. Unsuccessfully out to get me at every chance.

Yup, that's a trailerlee trademark.

Yup, that's a trailerlee trademark.

Damn Sonny, youve got it BAD, dont you?