From what I've heard it looks like both of these TRUE warriors left a piece of themselves in the ring last nite.

And I dont think Tito should give B-hop a BIG PAYDAY...**** THAT! When was the last time B-hop ever gave US the boxing fans/community a really ****ing good fight!?!? On the other hand, I bet you everyone, including HBO, is going to HYPE up the Trinidad-Hopkins rematch. I hope it doesn't happen. Mayorga derserves EVERY penny he earns and more! I say let Mayorga or Tito **** up Jermain Taylor. And let's see how much money B-hop can get for a rematch with Cherifi hahahaha.

After that fight Sept 18th - I will never be a sucka and give money to the DLH or B-Hop retirement fund.

Which fight was better? DLH vs. B-hop? or Tito vs. Mayorga?

From what I've heard it looks like both of these TRUE warriors left a piece of themselves in the ring last nite.

And I dont think Tito should give B-hop a BIG PAYDAY...**** THAT! When was the last time B-hop ever gave US the boxing fans/community a really ****ing good fight!?!? On the other hand, I bet you everyone, including HBO, is going to HYPE up the Trinidad-Hopkins rematch. I hope it doesn't happen. Mayorga derserves EVERY penny he earns and more! I say let Mayorga or Tito **** up Jermain Taylor. And let's see how much money B-hop can get for a rematch with Cherifi hahahaha.

After that fight Sept 18th - I will never be a sucka and give money to the DLH or B-Hop retirement fund.

Which fight was better? DLH vs. B-hop? or Tito vs. Mayorga?

i'll answer it with a question, which fight made more money?

You make it seem as if money in boxing doesn't go both ways. I see no reason why Tito wouldn't or shouldn't fight Bernard Hopkins again(outside of the fact that he's going to get killed again)...Both those guys get paid, and neither of them would mind getting in the ring to fight each other again, so why not? **** what you say..

What Hopkins can give to Trinidad is something more than Trinidad can give to Hopkins. Trinidad can give Hopkins a big payday. Hopkins has plenty of money, and plenty of opponents that can add to his bank account.

Hopkins can give Trinidad something no one else can - a chance at redemption.

Yea they both get paid MY BROTHA!

But who has a BIGGER FAN BASE? Who is more MARKETABLE?

C'mon MY BROTHA! Use your head homie - you disappoint with your lack of analytical skillz.

At some point, some guys don't care about the money anymore.

They are sportsmen.

Shane Mosley passed up big bucks for DLH III to fight Winky Wright. Trinidad can make more against DLH of course. But Hopkins whipped his ass...

i'll answer it with a question, which fight made more money?

LOL what? Which made more money? of course any fight with De La Hollywood is going to make more money.

But I'm asking YOU! Which fight did you enjoy more fool?

Tito is more marketable (he has all of Puerto Rico behind him and some more), however, the only thing that justifies is a reason to give him a bigger share of the purse. It isn't like Bernard Hopkins brings nothing to the table....After all he is the undisputed champ and he beat the guy before. I doubt Tito would see things your way, instead, I picture nothing but revenge on his mind.

At some point, some guys don't care about the money anymore.

They are sportsmen.

Shane Mosley passed up big bucks for DLH III to fight Winky Wright. Trinidad can make more against DLH of course. But Hopkins whipped his ass...

It makes business sense/cents for Tito to fight DLhollywood or B-hop because the marketablility of Tito & De La Hollywood is an A+. B-hop has at best a C- marketability.

Sometimes I forget boxing is all about the Money because doesn't HBO Executives pick who they want to put on their shows? I mean I dont remember Tito Trinidad or Oscar De La Hollywood being CEO or Chief Operating Officer or Chief Financial Officer of HBO?

Nah...all i'm saying is that Tito and Mayorga deserve a lot more credit and money than DLH & B-hop. I know this will never happen because the boxing fans are continuously brainwashed by HBO etc.

Its only my opinion but at least its mine.

LOL what? Which made more money? of course any fight with De La Hollywood is going to make more money.

But I'm asking YOU! Which fight did you enjoy more fool?


read between the lines, i enjoyed Hopkins-dlh, the way Hopkins Koed dlh was a good feeling. mayo-tito was also a great fight but i enjoy all of Hopkins fights

read between the lines, i enjoyed Hopkins-dlh, the way Hopkins Koed dlh was a good feeling. mayo-tito was also a great fight but i enjoy all of Hopkins fights

Oh i c, you should've said in the beginning that your a DIE-HARD HOPKINS FAN.

So are you eagerly awaiting the Hopkins-Cherifi II fight????
lol j/p. Of course Tito is going to fight B-hop again. This was in the makings YEARS ago by the brains (a.k.a. HBO executives).

I bet you this time 1 or 2 years from now, Tito is going to get his revenge.

And then we'll have Tito-Hopkins III in Puerto Rico. ahhahaha.

None of us know how bad these guys need the money for the fights.

Or how bad they crave the spotlight.

Or who fights because they love the sport and the competition.

Holyfield doesn't need the money; he needs the notoriety.

Tarver needs money; he's going through bankruptcy. He needed Roy.

Tyson needs money; he's going through bankruptcy. That's why he won't accept a "rebuilding" Foreman-like comeback - he'd fight Roy or V. Klitschko tomorrow if the price was right.

I guess it depends on Tito's ambitions and what he values.

He certainly is young enough and hot enough to schedule them both and fight them both and make 20 million plus in the next 12-18 months.

HBO can tell the guys who they want on...but the fighters have to sign the dotted lines.

None of us know how bad these guys need the money for the fights.

Or how bad they crave the spotlight.

Or who fights because they love the sport and the competition.

Holyfield doesn't need the money; he needs the notoriety.

Tarver needs money; he's going through bankruptcy. He needed Roy.

Tyson needs money; he's going through bankruptcy. That's why he won't accept a "rebuilding" Foreman-like comeback - he'd fight Roy or V. Klitschko tomorrow if the price was right.

I guess it depends on Tito's ambitions and what he values.

He certainly is young enough and hot enough to schedule them both and fight them both and make 20 million plus in the next 12-18 months.

HBO can tell the guys who they want on...but the fighters have to sign the dotted lines.

Yea at least Tarver and Tyson can admit they needa fight for the money. In this case would you still buy their fights?

I know a lot of the poor fighters fight for both money and love of the sport. You can tell by the way their face looks after a fight. Morales has proven this countless times. So has Emmanual Agustus. What about Jorge Paez? Then ther's Juan El Pollo Valenzuela. So many young hungry fighters out there its krazi.

OK...so which happens first?

Tito-Hopkins II or Tito-DLH II?

I'm thinking Tito kills DLH on Cinco de Mayo. Then next September Tito makes another kool payday and fights B-hop.

hopkins deserves it more then anybody... he worked as hard as anybody and refused to sign with king for big money... and this fight will happen and i will buy it and hopkins will win and ride off into the sunset

any time tyson fights i will buy it

From what I've heard it looks like both of these TRUE warriors left a piece of themselves in the ring last nite.

And I dont think Tito should give B-hop a BIG PAYDAY...**** THAT! When was the last time B-hop ever gave US the boxing fans/community a really ****ing good fight!?!? On the other hand, I bet you everyone, including HBO, is going to HYPE up the Trinidad-Hopkins rematch. I hope it doesn't happen. Mayorga derserves EVERY penny he earns and more! I say let Mayorga or Tito **** up Jermain Taylor. And let's see how much money B-hop can get for a rematch with Cherifi hahahaha.

After that fight Sept 18th - I will never be a sucka and give money to the DLH or B-Hop retirement fund.

Which fight was better? DLH vs. B-hop? or Tito vs. Mayorga?


Tito NEEDS Hopkins if he is going to have any credability.

hopkins deserves it more then anybody... he worked as hard as anybody and refused to sign with king for big money... and this fight will happen and i will buy it and hopkins will win and ride off into the sunset

I dont doubt this fight will happen I just think if it was up to me I wouldn't let either De La Hollywood or B-Hop fight Tito and make money off him, but I guess its going to happen newayz.

However, I don't foresee Tito vs. DLH/B-hop being nearly as exciting as Tito-Vargas or Tito-Mayorga.

I do agree that B-hop deserved the titles/money as much as neone BEFORE the de la hollywood "liver shot", but man it really disappointed me didn't deliver like I thought he would. If he did I would've put him P4P above Morales, but now he's #2.

If I was tito I would make Hopkins wait a year before he fights him again. I would really like to see Hopkins-DLhollywood 2 and Hopkins-Cherifi 2..LOL..sorry.

any time tyson fights i will buy it

WOW! You must really love this guy. Any relations?

Have you seen Jeff Lacy fight? Looks like a Miniature Mike Tyson. He's a showtime fighter.

I'd say for a Tyson fight just go to your local bar and pay $10 for a few drinks and watch it. Or if your lucky enough get yourself illegal cable.

Tito NEEDS Hopkins if he is going to have any credability.

I'm not sure he does, but it is going to happen anywayz. I mean do you think you can convince any true hardcore tito fan that he's not legit @ 160lb?

The only reason to doubt his stature @ 160lb would be when he beat William Joppy wasn't there an issue with the way he wrapped his hands? Gauze-Tape, Gauze-Tape? There is only supposed to be 1 wrap of Gauze-Tape, not 2.

I wonder if Mayorga's camped remembered this from the Hopkins fight?

I'm not sure he does, but it is going to happen anywayz. I mean do you think you can convince any true hardcore tito fan that he's not legit @ 160lb?

The only reason to doubt his stature @ 160lb would be when he beat William Joppy wasn't there an issue with the way he wrapped his hands? Gauze-Tape, Gauze-Tape? There is only supposed to be 1 wrap of Gauze-Tape, not 2.

I wonder if Mayorga's camped remembered this from the Hopkins fight?

oh he has credability as a legit middleweight, but if he wants credability as an all time great then he needs to go after the guy who kicked his ass.

He cant just avoid Hopkins that would look very very bad

This thread started with a good question from nezahualcoyotl .....

"When was the last time B-hop ever gave US the boxing fans/community a really ****ing good fight". The answer is simple, it was Tito.

Don't think too hard about this one boys. You want to see it, I want to see it, they want to see it. Hopkins-Tito II.

Tito will want this one too, cause he really wants to erase that one blemish from his otherwise stellar ring record.

But Tito will have to accept that the rematch with Hops is merely a payday, 'cause it sure won't be "redemption". He won't do to Hops what he did with Mayorga. Mayorga was made-to-order, and Hops ain't in that business.

It will be a thing of beauty to see Hops, again, show that Tito is a made-to-order Hopkins *****.

oh he has credability as a legit middleweight, but if he wants credability as an all time great then he needs to go after the guy who kicked his ass.

He cant just avoid Hopkins that would look very very bad

Does it make sense for tito to fight Hopkins say in Jan. or Feb.? Honestly I see the same result.

Maybe in another year or 2 I could forsee tito whooping the old man, but anytime within 1 year I see the same result.

Would he be an all-time great by beating a 40yr old man who never moved up in weight and decided it was easier fighting smaller guys and guys like Cherifi?

I guess in some people's minds it is...just not mine.

This thread started with a good question from nezahualcoyotl .....

"When was the last time B-hop ever gave US the boxing fans/community a really ****ing good fight". The answer is simple, it was Tito.

Don't think too hard about this one boys. You want to see it, I want to see it, they want to see it. Hopkins-Tito II.

Tito will want this one too, cause he really wants to erase that one blemish from his otherwise stellar ring record.

But Tito will have to accept that the rematch with Hops is merely a payday, 'cause it sure won't be "redemption". He won't do to Hops what he did with Mayorga. Mayorga was made-to-order, and Hops ain't in that business.

It will be a thing of beauty to see Hops, again, show that Tito is a made-to-order Hopkins *****.

Yup. Look at what I just posted for Jose.

I dont see Tito beating hopkins anytime within 1 year. The only way tito can win is to beat hopkins at his own game. BE DIRTY! And i mean DIRTY! Elbows, lowblows, rabbit punches, kidney punches...someone has to TWIST tito's mind into that of a serial killer or ex-convict like hopkins. If tito comes out krazi like an "i dont giva fawk" fighter he has a chance within the first couple rounds to beat hopkins.

If only you could merge Mayorga's attitude/style with tito and I think he would have a chance.

quick and simple if tito doesnt want to retire again dont fight hopkins hes just to good 4 the robot tito

Nezahuatcoyotl .... you're a good man, for one reason. You're not kissin' anybody's ass like so many other fight "fans" in this forum.

You're honest to admit that Tito can't beat Hops anytime within 1 year, and that Tito can only win if Hops "gets old" within that time.

But, you seem to say that Hops just needs to be dirty to win, and so does Tito to beat Hops. Thats just wrong.

When Mayorga landed those bombs once, twice and three times on Tito, it looked very dramatic and a lot of lesser chins might have shattered. And when we look and the Hopkinms fight, we didn't see Hops doing that to Tito. Right? So, when Hops finally dropped Tito in the 12th, it must have been from all those low blows (like Tito on Mayorga), elbows, kidney shots and rabbit punches? I don't think so.

You do Mayorga a dishonor by saying that rabbit punches and low blows can beat Tito, but Mayorga's flush round-houses cannot. I guess Hopkins must have some real power in those rabbit punches! Also, in Tito-Hops' match there were no low-blows like that beauty that Tito landed on Mayorga.

Truth is, Hops is not so dirty. He's just very ****ing effective at hurting the other guy, namely Tito.

And, you must agree, if Tito comes out "krazi", he'll get his ass busted again 'cause Hopkins will simply KO him with a few of those "rabbit punches".

Unfortunately, you can never meld Mayorga's attitude/style with Tito's. That fighter doesn't exist. So, I'll put the money on Hops, again.

Memorex ...... you nailed it! A robot. In other words "predictable", which means very ****ing hittable, like Mayorga did.

Put a real Middle in there and see what happens! KO.

Nezahuatcoyotl .... you're a good man, for one reason. You're not kissin' anybody's ass like so many other fight "fans" in this forum.

You're honest to admit that Tito can't beat Hops anytime within 1 year, and that Tito can only win if Hops "gets old" within that time.

But, you seem to say that Hops just needs to be dirty to win, and so does Tito to beat Hops. Thats just wrong.

When Mayorga landed those bombs once, twice and three times on Tito, it looked very dramatic and a lot of lesser chins might have shattered. And when we look and the Hopkinms fight, we didn't see Hops doing that to Tito. Right? So, when Hops finally dropped Tito in the 12th, it must have been from all those low blows (like Tito on Mayorga), elbows, kidney shots and rabbit punches? I don't think so.

You do Mayorga a dishonor by saying that rabbit punches and low blows can beat Tito, but Mayorga's flush round-houses cannot. I guess Hopkins must have some real power in those rabbit punches! Also, in Tito-Hops' match there were no low-blows like that beauty that Tito landed on Mayorga.

Truth is, Hops is not so dirty. He's just very ****ing effective at hurting the other guy, namely Tito.

And, you must agree, if Tito comes out "krazi", he'll get his ass busted again 'cause Hopkins will simply KO him with a few of those "rabbit punches".

Unfortunately, you can never meld Mayorga's attitude/style with Tito's. That fighter doesn't exist. So, I'll put the money on Hops, again.

To summarize my previous post - Tito just needs to bring a different style/game plan to his rematch with Hopkins. Obviously whatever plan he had in his last match didn't work. Hell he should come into the ring like Jorge El Maromero Paez and have a dress or clown outfit on! Hell i dont know, but something needs to change in his rematch.

I meant no disrespect to Mayorga - damn this man is the essence of a true warrior, not worrier. Ever since I seen him take out 6heads I thought this guy was just a straight thug (tha's a compliment). Mayorga's dont come around a lot. He's unique.

I dont think I said the only way Mayorga could win was with rabbit punches and lowblows. But tito is going to need to pull something out his ass if he really thinks he can beat Hopkins. Hopkins is a bad man...jus look at his facial expression when he fights. That mug on his head isn't pretty.

Nezahuatcoyotl ... you brought it together brother.

By the way, very much like Gandhi, Hops is/was not guided by a single theory, and always reserves the right ot differ with himself. Unfortunately, Don King does'nt like those Gandhi-esque folk.

i was wondering if felix sturm could match hopkins' power, maybe not. but it came to my mind when i though about who would end hopkins' dominance in the middleweight? maybe this kid from germany could give hopkins some problems considering that he's quicker and younger. what worries me is who would dare promote this fight?

tito don't want any part of hopkins, plain and simple. he avoided the question of rematch like the pleague in the post fight conference. they are probably waiting to fight hopkins in his last fight when his age catches up with him, so it will be easier for tito to fight the old man. then if tito were to beat up the old man, everyone would be saying tito's the best thing ever in boxing bla bla bla...
when the fact of the matter is that tito would get stomped again if they fight in the next year, maybe two. i think that tito would own DLH at 160lbs. no doubt, not hopkins.
tito needs hopkins, hopkins could cash in on tito though, but really hopkins doesn't need to give him a shot, i'm sure he would($$$$$). hopkins beat him flat out for twelve rounds and did it with ease, no controversy. and don't throw out that whole 9/11 crap that tito didn't train for a week.
1) even if he didn't train for a week it shouldn't have effected him! he is a professional isn't he??
2) your whole camp and fight goes down the drain in one week...c'mon!
3) why would he take the week off,( no trainning,or anything) before the biggest fight of his career, against the most dangerous fighter he's ever faced. he didn't, it's all just an excuse..
fighters stop sparring a week prior to the fight night, and just do conditioning work, your telling me he didn't even shadow box or jump rope or even do a ****ing push-up....sounds good!

hopkins would beat him again, probably 8 times out of 10....
also hopkins never fought cherifi...jag-offs!!! that was your boy tito beating up on that chump! before he quit!

tito don't want any part of hopkins, plain and simple. he avoided the question of rematch like the pleague in the post fight conference. they are probably waiting to fight hopkins in his last fight when his age catches up with him, so it will be easier for tito to fight the old man. then if tito were to beat up the old man, everyone would be saying tito's the best thing ever in boxing bla bla bla...
when the fact of the matter is that tito would get stomped again if they fight in the next year, maybe two. i think that tito would own DLH at 160lbs. no doubt, not hopkins.
tito needs hopkins, hopkins could cash in on tito though, but really hopkins doesn't need to give him a shot, i'm sure he would($$$$$). hopkins beat him flat out for twelve rounds and did it with ease, no controversy. and don't throw out that whole 9/11 crap that tito didn't train for a week.
1) even if he didn't train for a week it shouldn't have effected him! he is a professional isn't he??
2) your whole camp and fight goes down the drain in one week...c'mon!
3) why would he take the week off,( no trainning,or anything) before the biggest fight of his career, against the most dangerous fighter he's ever faced. he didn't, it's all just an excuse..
fighters stop sparring a week prior to the fight night, and just do conditioning work, your telling me he didn't even shadow box or jump rope or even do a ****ing push-up....sounds good!

hopkins would beat him again, probably 8 times out of 10....
also hopkins never fought cherifi...jag-offs!!! that was your boy tito beating up on that chump! before he quit!
You gotta admit Hopkins-Cherifi would be a helluva fight! LOL!

this is ridiculous. I give credit to Tito for coming back extremely well, but Mayorga was the perfect opponent for Tito, come backing or not. He doesnt try to avoid punches,stands in front of you and swings for the fences. Bernard is still simply too good.

Mayorga. Head of stone, good hand speed, very high psycho factor.

Would probably note the biggest guy in the crowd and head straight for him. Big guy goes down and the smaller guys don't feel so tough. Mayorga doesn't think about all this though and and just moves through the crowd. Guys start to run, Mayorga in pursuit, to finish what they started.

What Hopkins can give to Trinidad is something more than Trinidad can give to Hopkins. Trinidad can give Hopkins a big payday. Hopkins has plenty of money, and plenty of opponents that can add to his bank account.

Hopkins can give Trinidad something no one else can - a chance at redemption.

you hit the nail on the head!!!! if trinidad wanted another fight with hopkins he would actually push for it, you know damn well hopkins would go for that payday, especially after dominating tito and now having twenty defences!! tito is scared...hopkins by ko again...........old news

hopefully tito will fight hop again, then tito will get punked again, making all the nuthugs with trinidad pics in their sig learn to stfu